Re: Feedback Request for Music Fonts
Am 21.10.2014 12:59, schrieb Kieren MacMillan: Hi Urs, That's an excellent complement to your already impressive collection of fonts. I can't stress enough how this should be able to increase LilyPond's acceptance on the long run! +1 x 2 BTW: I don’t think I saw a response from you about Abraham’s Henle example (http://fonts.openlilylib.org/beethoven/Beethoven_Op10No3.pdf). This can very well be because there just has been to much stuff recently, and I didn't have an opportunity to make a decent printout ... What did you think?? Now I *did* two printouts, one scaled to have proportional page margins and one with original size and cropped margins on A4 paper. What I *don't* have available is the original score (and I don't want to use a scan from IMSLP or something like that). So under this circumstances it looks very convincing, even more with each time I look again. Maybe the dynamics look slightly thin, but again, I didn't compare to the original. What I would like to see now is how arbitrary music looks typeset that way. I think I'll try to find the time (haha) to enter a few style studies after Schumann's Carnaval that I have from my time of studies. Probably they will look even more convincing now ;-) Best Urs Best, Kieren. ___ Kieren MacMillan, composer www: http://www.kierenmacmillan.info email: i...@kierenmacmillan.info ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feedback Request for Music Fonts
All, It was brought to my attention that there were some printing issues with the Beethoven font (white spots would appear at certain overlapping lines). These are now fixed and updated on fonts.openlilylib.org. I have also added .WOFF font files, though I'm not really sure how to use them, but maybe you can! Enjoy! -Abraham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feedback Request for Music Fonts
Could you please send me (directly) an updated example so I can forward it? Thanks Urs Am 22. Oktober 2014 18:33:45 MESZ, schrieb Abraham Lee tisimst.lilyp...@gmail.com: All, It was brought to my attention that there were some printing issues with the Beethoven font (white spots would appear at certain overlapping lines). These are now fixed and updated on fonts.openlilylib.org. I have also added .WOFF font files, though I'm not really sure how to use them, but maybe you can! Enjoy! -Abraham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feedback Request for Music Fonts
Am 20.10.2014 19:02, schrieb Abraham Lee: I've got another font done that looks more like a hand-copyist style--very consistent, not extravagant or embellished like LilyJAZZ, designed for clarity. I've attached a small sample image to give you a taste of what I mean :) That's an excellent complement to your already impressive collection of fonts. I can't stress enough how this should be able to increase LilyPond's acceptance on the long run! Best Urs ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feedback Request for Music Fonts
Hi Urs, That's an excellent complement to your already impressive collection of fonts. I can't stress enough how this should be able to increase LilyPond's acceptance on the long run! +1 x 2 BTW: I don’t think I saw a response from you about Abraham’s Henle example (http://fonts.openlilylib.org/beethoven/Beethoven_Op10No3.pdf). What did you think?? Best, Kieren. ___ Kieren MacMillan, composer www: http://www.kierenmacmillan.info email: i...@kierenmacmillan.info ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feedback Request for Music Fonts
Abraham, How wonderful it was to experiment with these new fonts. In particular, I enjoyed the documentation. It was exceptionally clear how to use them (including the 2.18 patch, though I ended up upgrading to 2.19 anyway.) The .ily files that demonstrated the fine tuning were really helpful and pointed the way to really customizing things. This is the first time I have felt that I can really start to control the visual aspect of Lilypond output. I have not yet attempted to do the mixing/matching between fonts, but expect to do so at some point, as I found that I preferred different aspects of different fonts. The single font I like best is Cadence. While it doesn't seem to have any truly characteristic glyphs or implicit swagger, it has the best balance of glyph sizing. In particular, the natural/flat/sharp symbol size, as compared to the note heads (large but not too large), as well as their relative size to each other (some fonts seemed to have sharps that were much bigger than flats, etc.) seemed to be what I noticed and cared about most when comparing the fonts in actual use. Beyond that, I tended to like larger, curvier flags (Paganini, Haydn, Sorlatti) and medium sized articulations (Beethoven, Cadence, Paganini), so once I narrowed the fonts down based on the accidentals, these other considerations led me to choose Cadence as my go-to font. I've also found Scorlatti to be very elegant where there aren't so many accidentals. I know that your work on the LilyJAZZ font was more about completing it, than designing it, so this comment really isn't directed towards you. On the one hand, I really like the concept of a handwriting-style font. But LilyJAZZ seems more like a display font, than one you would actually want to use to typeset a whole piece. Thanks again for your amazing work. I hope enough folks kick down some paypal love to make this worth your while! David Elaine Alt 415 . 341 .4954 *Confusion is highly underrated* ela...@flaminghakama.com self-immolation.info skype: flaming_hakama Producer ~ Composer ~ Instrumentalist -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feedback Request for Music Fonts
Am 2014-10-20 um 23:02 schrieb Abraham Lee tisimst.lilyp...@gmail.com: Personally, I agree with your comment about LilyJAZZ. While there is a certain personality behind it, I don't think I'd use it for a large score. However, I think there are lots of people who would, so that's cool! I've got another font done that looks more like a hand-copyist style--very consistent, not extravagant or embellished like LilyJAZZ, designed for clarity. I've attached a small sample image to give you a taste of what I mean :) Any true hand-copyists out there? Hey, that’s a good one! I saw no reason to replace Emmentaler, but I might use this new hand font, it fits my songbooks. (Nalada, is it?) Greetlings, Hraban --- fiëé visuëlle Henning Hraban Ramm http://www.fiee.net http://angerweit.tikon.ch/lieder/ https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feedback Request for Music Fonts
Glad you like it! The snippet portrayed in the image is from a piece called Nálada. You probably noticed it as an example score I've used to showcase some other other fonts. I call this font Improviso. Regards, Abraham Sent from my iPhone On Oct 20, 2014, at 9:07 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm lilypon...@fiee.net wrote: Am 2014-10-20 um 23:02 schrieb Abraham Lee tisimst.lilyp...@gmail.com: Personally, I agree with your comment about LilyJAZZ. While there is a certain personality behind it, I don't think I'd use it for a large score. However, I think there are lots of people who would, so that's cool! I've got another font done that looks more like a hand-copyist style--very consistent, not extravagant or embellished like LilyJAZZ, designed for clarity. I've attached a small sample image to give you a taste of what I mean :) Any true hand-copyists out there? Hey, that’s a good one! I saw no reason to replace Emmentaler, but I might use this new hand font, it fits my songbooks. (Nalada, is it?) Greetlings, Hraban --- fiëé visuëlle Henning Hraban Ramm http://www.fiee.net http://angerweit.tikon.ch/lieder/ https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feedback Request for Music Fonts
The snippet portrayed in the image is from a piece called Nálada. You probably noticed it as an example score I've used to showcase some other other fonts. I call this font Improviso. In case it's a font intended for songbooks, you might call it `Lalala' :-) Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feedback Request for Music Fonts
Well, I can't say that it was intended for any particular purpose, other than to look like a hand copyist's writing, but that was clever! Regards, Abraham Sent from my iPhone On Oct 20, 2014, at 9:58 PM, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: The snippet portrayed in the image is from a piece called Nálada. You probably noticed it as an example score I've used to showcase some other other fonts. I call this font Improviso. In case it's a font intended for songbooks, you might call it `Lalala' :-) Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feedback Request for Music Fonts
Hi Abraham, YES!, this can be done quite easily. As I explained on my personal website (the link is found near the bottom of fonts.openlilylib.org), https://sites.google.com/site/tisimst/Home/custom-font-how-to#localized-font-changes That's great! That's what I meant for this kind of task. THE KIND-OF-CAVEAT … The reason this isn't a great way to change the font globally is because it doesn't catch every layout object. You have to add additional \layout overrides to DynamicText, Fingering, Script, TrillSpanner, and a host of other layout objects in order to get everything. Yes, it could be easier. But I didn't expect it to be easy after what I have seen in the smufl commands. So your solution is just what I was looking for. And if I have done it once, I can easily do it for all new fonts. Cheers, Joram ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feedback Request for Music Fonts
Joram,
Here's the tuplet number font file. See what you think! Install it like
a normal font and then you can do this:
\transpose c c'
{
% default (Century Schoolbook)
\tuplet 3/2 { a8 a a }
% bold (Century Schoolbook) - closer to Bravura
\override TupletNumber.font-series = #'bold
\tuplet 3/2 { a a a }
% from Emmentaler (bold numbers) - your suggestion
\override TupletNumber.font-encoding = #'fetaText
\override TupletNumber.font-size = #-4
\tuplet 3/2 { a a a }
% tuplet number from Bravura - what you wanted!
\override TupletNumber.font-name = ProfondoTupletNumbers
\tuplet 3/2 { a a a }
}
Regards,
Abraham
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 6:54 PM, Abraham Lee
tisimst.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote:
Joram,
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Noeck noeck.marb...@gmx.de wrote:
Hi Abraham,
thanks for your reply.
\version 2.19.14
\transpose c c'
{
% default (Century Schoolbook)
\tuplet 3/2 { a8 a a }
% bold (Century Schoolbook) - closer to Bravura
\override TupletNumber.font-series = #'bold
\tuplet 3/2 { a a a }
% from Emmentaler (bold numbers) - your suggestion
\override TupletNumber.font-encoding = #'fetaText
\override TupletNumber.font-size = #-4
\tuplet 3/2 { a a a }
% tuplet number from Bravura (U+E883) - what I wanted!
\override TupletNumber.font-name = Bravura
\override TupletNumber.font-size = #3.5
\override TupletNumber #'text =
\tuplet 3/2 { a a a }
}
This example shows four different tuplet numbers. The last one is
what I
wanted: the dedicated Bravura tuplet number on code point U+E883.
To achieve that I had to put Bravura in /usr/share/fonts. I was
wondering why installing it under Ubuntu does not work and copying
into
/usr/share/fonts of the LP directory structure does not work,
neither.
From my experience, LP only looks for Century Schoolbook and the
music/brace fonts in that folder. Any other text font should be
installed in a regular system location. On Ubuntu, if you put Bravura
in /home/YOUR_USER_NAME/.local/share/fonts, then you should be able
to do what you tried above (manually, of course).
A real solution would be if this number would be calculated
automatically. But I couldn't get it to work:
\override TupletNumber #'text = #(integer-char
(+ 59520 (tuplet-number::calc-denominator-text)))
I am trying that out, because it would help to get a consistent style
for the new fonts including the text font part.
I agree. That is a great idea! I don't have enough Scheme experience
to know how to modify the text property like that, but that would
certainly be very nice. On the other hand, I could just create a
simple tuplet numerals file for your needs :) It would probably be
better to access the glyphs from the complete Bravura font file, but
sometimes you've got to take measures into your own hands and try
something simpler. I doubt Steinberg will ever be changing those
glyphs, so it's probably a safe bet.
2) Do you or does anyone know text fonts similar to the ones used
in
many old scores, like here:
http://javanese.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/7/7f/IMSLP00115-Chopin_-_Ballade_No1.pdf
I've often looked for some nice fonts like those. A nice one I've
found
is called OldStandardTT. It's free and supports an extensive
character
set including Latin, Greek, and Cyrillic:
http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/old-standard-TT
Just to share what I found yesterday:
http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/DubielPlain
But I am not really convinced (there are some irregularities e.g. in
the
letter a).
Yeah, that one looks nice, but I agree that it's not as well
constructed as we would like.
Regards,
Abraham
ProfondoTupletNumbers.otf
Description: application/font-otf
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Re: Feedback Request for Music Fonts
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 2:01 AM, Martin Tarenskeen
m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl wrote:
Hi,
When I use the LilyJAZZ fonts and style, the ' is missing in titles
and texts. I don't mind if not every exotic unicode character in the
world is supported in every font, but in this case it's difficult to
find Jazz titles and lyrics, most of them in English, that don't use
the '
You can't take that away from me
And even that title doesn't work :-)
--
MT
Martin,
Are using the LilyJAZZ text font that I've bundled? Because it
definitely has the apostrophe (') and quotation mark (). It doesn't
(yet), however, have the angled single (‘ ’) and double quotation
marks (“ ”), but I can add those today if that's what you are
needing.
Regards,
Abraham
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Re: Feedback Request for Music Fonts
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Abraham Lee
tisimst.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 2:01 AM, Martin Tarenskeen
m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl wrote:
Hi,
When I use the LilyJAZZ fonts and style, the ' is missing in titles
and texts. I don't mind if not every exotic unicode character in the
world is supported in every font, but in this case it's difficult to
find Jazz titles and lyrics, most of them in English, that don't use
the '
You can't take that away from me
And even that title doesn't work :-)
--
MT
Martin,
Are using the LilyJAZZ text font that I've bundled? Because it
definitely has the apostrophe (') and quotation mark (). It doesn't
(yet), however, have the angled single (‘ ’) and double quotation
marks (“ ”), but I can add those today if that's what you are
needing.
Regards,
Abraham
Martin,
Actually, I take that back. I checked the font file and I found that
all of the above marks are available in the current LilyJAZZ Text font.
I've attached a sample as proof. Let me know what you find out.
\version 2.18.2
\include LilyJAZZ.ily
\markup { \You can't take that away from me\ }
\markup { ‘Single quoted’ }
\markup { “Double quoted” }
Regards,
Abraham
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Re: Feedback Request for Music Fonts
Hi Abraham,
thanks for all your efforts to help here. Thanks for your font file. I
didn’t say it before, but the tuplet number was just a first test. My
aim was to imitate all the Bravura style consistently (including bass
figure numbers, analysis numbers and symbols etc. – everything that is
not covered by the music font. Using the default SMuFL layout would be a
better approach in my eyes. The SMuFL is fixed with version 1.0 (at
least they tell so) and the provided json makes it even more safe.
I also worked on it and I slowly get a bit closer – python would be so
much easier for me than scheme. Here is a function that works for
denominators up to 9 (which is the numerator after the \tuplet change).
Extending it to arbitrary numbers is now only a matter of time.
\version 2.19.14
\include custom-music-fonts/smufl/definitions.ily
#(define-public (tuplet-number::calc-denominator-smufl-text grob)
(let* ((number (tuplet-number::calc-denominator-text grob)) )
(markup #:smuflglyph (string-append tuplet number
\transpose c c'
{
\override TupletNumber #'font-size = 0
\override TupletNumber #'text =
#tuplet-number::calc-denominator-smufl-text
\tuplet 3/2 { a8 a a }
\tuplet 4/3 {a a a a }
\tuplet 9/2 { a a a a a a a a a }
\tuplet 12/2 { a a a }
}
Cheers,
Joram
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Re: Feedback Request for Music Fonts
Hi Abraham,
I have another topic or question:
Is it possible to switch the music font for a staff or even a measure
with your approach? Or does it only work in the \paper environment.
It would be cool for comparisons of fonts in the same file like here
(using oll):
\version 2.18.0
\include custom-music-fonts/smufl/definitions.ily
music = \relative c' {
\clef alto
\time 3/4
c4-.(\f\ d4-. es4-.) |
\time 4/4
fis8.---\trill\sfz\ e!16\downbow d16-\! r16 r8 c2-\prall |
\time 2/2
\clef treble
r2-\fermata c8( eeh8)-^ \tuplet 3/2 { eeh8( gisih8 b')-! } |
}
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = Feta } \music
\new Staff \with { \bravuraOn instrumentName = Bravura } \music
Just changing the font name of all objects does not seem to work.
Cheers,
Joram
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Re: Feedback Request for Music Fonts
Joram,
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Noeck noeck.marb...@gmx.de wrote:
Is it possible to switch the music font for a staff or even a measure
with your approach? Or does it only work in the \paper environment.
It would be cool for comparisons of fonts in the same file like here
(using oll):
\version 2.18.0
\include custom-music-fonts/smufl/definitions.ily
music = \relative c' {
\clef alto
\time 3/4
c4-.(\f\ d4-. es4-.) |
\time 4/4
fis8.---\trill\sfz\ e!16\downbow d16-\! r16 r8 c2-\prall |
\time 2/2
\clef treble
r2-\fermata c8( eeh8)-^ \tuplet 3/2 { eeh8( gisih8 b')-! } |
}
\new Staff \with { instrumentName = Feta } \music
\new Staff \with { \bravuraOn instrumentName = Bravura } \music
Just changing the font name of all objects does not seem to work.
Cheers,
Joram
YES!, this can be done quite easily. As I explained on my personal
website (the link is found near the bottom of fonts.openlilylib.org),
https://sites.google.com/site/tisimst/Home/custom-font-how-to#localized-font-changes
You can use another built-in function add-music-font to provide
instant access to any of the music fonts I've published (with one
kind-of-caveat I'll explain in a moment). The add-music-fonts
function puts associates the music fonts with the proper glyph encoding
(i.e., NOT latin-1, which is what the text fonts use). For example,
say we wanted to make Profondo locally available, we would do something
like:
\paper {
#(add-music-fonts fonts
'profondo % --- this is the variable you will use to access the
font
profondo % --- the music font name
emmentaler % --- the piano brace font name
feta-design-size-mapping % --- required, don't change
(/ staff-height pt 20))
}
At this point, Emmentaler is still the global document notation font.
However, whenever you want to change any notation element to be from
the Profondo font, all you need to do is:
\override [LayoutObject].font-family = #'profondo
This can be done on-the-fly like any other override or score-wide in a
\layout block.
THE KIND-OF-CAVEAT
It's not really a caveat, but here's the only catch to changing music
fonts this way. After a while of playing around with LP and its font
mechanisms, I realized that this is NOT a great way to change the
global document music font. If you do some searching online, you might
find something like this (which is similar to what you'll find in
ly/paper-defaults-init.ly):
\paper {
#(define font-defaults
'((font-family . profondo) (font-encoding . fetaMusic)))
}
The reason this isn't a great way to change the font globally is
because it doesn't catch every layout object. You have to add
additional \layout overrides to DynamicText, Fingering, Script,
TrillSpanner, and a host of other layout objects in order to get
everything. BUT, if all you want is a local \override, then the syntax
I showed above is all you need. Now you can write variables to change
things just like is done with \smuflOn and \bravuraOn.
HTH,
Abraham
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Re: Feedback Request for Music Fonts
Hi Abraham,
thanks for your reply.
Does your machinery allow to take these numbers
from Bravura for example and put it in a normal text font?
By default, the tuplet numbers come from whatever is set to be the
\roman font.
\version 2.19.14
\transpose c c'
{
% default (Century Schoolbook)
\tuplet 3/2 { a8 a a }
% bold (Century Schoolbook) - closer to Bravura
\override TupletNumber.font-series = #'bold
\tuplet 3/2 { a a a }
% from Emmentaler (bold numbers) - your suggestion
\override TupletNumber.font-encoding = #'fetaText
\override TupletNumber.font-size = #-4
\tuplet 3/2 { a a a }
% tuplet number from Bravura (U+E883) - what I wanted!
\override TupletNumber.font-name = Bravura
\override TupletNumber.font-size = #3.5
\override TupletNumber #'text =
\tuplet 3/2 { a a a }
}
This example shows four different tuplet numbers. The last one is what I
wanted: the dedicated Bravura tuplet number on code point U+E883.
To achieve that I had to put Bravura in /usr/share/fonts. I was
wondering why installing it under Ubuntu does not work and copying into
/usr/share/fonts of the LP directory structure does not work, neither.
A real solution would be if this number would be calculated
automatically. But I couldn't get it to work:
\override TupletNumber #'text = #(integer-char
(+ 59520 (tuplet-number::calc-denominator-text)))
I am trying that out, because it would help to get a consistent style
for the new fonts including the text font part.
2) Do you or does anyone know text fonts similar to the ones used in
many old scores, like here:
http://javanese.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/7/7f/IMSLP00115-Chopin_-_Ballade_No1.pdf
I've often looked for some nice fonts like those. A nice one I've found
is called OldStandardTT. It's free and supports an extensive character
set including Latin, Greek, and Cyrillic:
http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/old-standard-TT
Just to share what I found yesterday:
http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/DubielPlain
But I am not really convinced (there are some irregularities e.g. in the
letter a).
I'm actually working on a few right now that have a similar feel as
those found in the Chopin score, but I can't say when they'll be done
and ready for prime-time.
I will be interested whenever it gets ready.
Joram
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Re: Feedback Request for Music Fonts
Joram,
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Noeck noeck.marb...@gmx.de wrote:
Hi Abraham,
thanks for your reply.
\version 2.19.14
\transpose c c'
{
% default (Century Schoolbook)
\tuplet 3/2 { a8 a a }
% bold (Century Schoolbook) - closer to Bravura
\override TupletNumber.font-series = #'bold
\tuplet 3/2 { a a a }
% from Emmentaler (bold numbers) - your suggestion
\override TupletNumber.font-encoding = #'fetaText
\override TupletNumber.font-size = #-4
\tuplet 3/2 { a a a }
% tuplet number from Bravura (U+E883) - what I wanted!
\override TupletNumber.font-name = Bravura
\override TupletNumber.font-size = #3.5
\override TupletNumber #'text =
\tuplet 3/2 { a a a }
}
This example shows four different tuplet numbers. The last one is
what I
wanted: the dedicated Bravura tuplet number on code point U+E883.
To achieve that I had to put Bravura in /usr/share/fonts. I was
wondering why installing it under Ubuntu does not work and copying
into
/usr/share/fonts of the LP directory structure does not work, neither.
From my experience, LP only looks for Century Schoolbook and the
music/brace fonts in that folder. Any other text font should be
installed in a regular system location. On Ubuntu, if you put Bravura
in /home/YOUR_USER_NAME/.local/share/fonts, then you should be able
to do what you tried above (manually, of course).
A real solution would be if this number would be calculated
automatically. But I couldn't get it to work:
\override TupletNumber #'text = #(integer-char
(+ 59520 (tuplet-number::calc-denominator-text)))
I am trying that out, because it would help to get a consistent style
for the new fonts including the text font part.
I agree. That is a great idea! I don't have enough Scheme experience to
know how to modify the text property like that, but that would
certainly be very nice. On the other hand, I could just create a simple
tuplet numerals file for your needs :) It would probably be better to
access the glyphs from the complete Bravura font file, but sometimes
you've got to take measures into your own hands and try something
simpler. I doubt Steinberg will ever be changing those glyphs, so it's
probably a safe bet.
2) Do you or does anyone know text fonts similar to the ones used
in
many old scores, like here:
http://javanese.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/7/7f/IMSLP00115-Chopin_-_Ballade_No1.pdf
I've often looked for some nice fonts like those. A nice one I've
found
is called OldStandardTT. It's free and supports an extensive
character
set including Latin, Greek, and Cyrillic:
http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/old-standard-TT
Just to share what I found yesterday:
http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/DubielPlain
But I am not really convinced (there are some irregularities e.g. in
the
letter a).
Yeah, that one looks nice, but I agree that it's not as well
constructed as we would like.
Regards,
Abraham
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Noeck, On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Noeck noeck.marb...@gmx.de wrote: - Polskie Wydawnictwo Muzyc music font As you are often asking for scores with a nice font, I recently found scores printed by the Polish publisher Polskie Wydawnictwo Muzyc (PWM). This is the only scan, I found in the same style: http://javanese.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/2/23/IMSLP06555-Cantabile.pdf I don’t need it really. But it looks good in my opinion. Thanks for sharing this. I haven't ventured out too far from the main German publishers. - Stylesheets You offer some stylesheets on the fonts website as a zip file. What do you think about including them in the openlilylib git repo? That was the original intent. I just haven't gotten around to doing it yet, but I still hope to. - Stylesheets and text fonts The stylesheets could incorporate overrides for the text fonts, too. The tuplet numbers in Profondo could be bold, for example. That leads me to two more questions: 1) Can the tuplet numbers and other numbers be written in the same font as the music font? Does your machinery allow to take these numbers from Bravura for example and put it in a normal text font? By default, the tuplet numbers come from whatever is set to be the \roman font. However, you can do something like \override TupletNumber.font-encoding = #fetaText to get the effect you want by using the music numerals instead! These will be bold, but not italicized because they aren't part of the font. Some programs can artificially embolden or italicize a font that doesn't actually have one of those variants, but not the Pango libraries. If a bold, italic, or bold-italic font doesn't exist, Pango reverts to the closest variant instead (if one exists). 2) Do you or does anyone know text fonts similar to the ones used in many old scores, like here: http://javanese.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/7/7f/IMSLP00115-Chopin_-_Ballade_No1.pdf with the characteristic narrow letters and a remarkably big difference in the width of horizontal and vertical lines (black and thick vertical lines and very thin horizontal lines)? I would be interested in any font shape (regular, bold, italic). Cheers, Joram I've often looked for some nice fonts like those. A nice one I've found is called OldStandardTT. It's free and supports an extensive character set including Latin, Greek, and Cyrillic: http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/old-standard-TT I'm actually working on a few right now that have a similar feel as those found in the Chopin score, but I can't say when they'll be done and ready for prime-time. Let me know if I can help in any other way! Regards, Abraham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feedback Request for Music Fonts
Hi Abraham,
2014-10-09 15:39 GMT+02:00 Abraham Lee tisimst.lilyp...@gmail.com:
I just thought I'd open up this thread to any feedback anyone has about
the fonts and ANYTHING related to them.
Just one question.
For each font you add this note : You'll need to add the argument if you
are working at staff-height other than 20pt.
So I was wondering why not putting :
\paper {
#(define fonts
(set-global-fonts
#:music beethoven
#:factor (/ staff-height pt 20) ))
}
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Oupps, send by mistake...
So my question was, why not adding #:factor (/ staff-height pt 20)by
default and delete these notes ?
2014-10-10 9:05 GMT+02:00 Pierre Perol-Schneider
pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com:
Hi Abraham,
2014-10-09 15:39 GMT+02:00 Abraham Lee tisimst.lilyp...@gmail.com:
I just thought I'd open up this thread to any feedback anyone has about
the fonts and ANYTHING related to them.
Just one question.
For each font you add this note : You'll need to add the argument if you
are working at staff-height other than 20pt.
So I was wondering why not putting :
\paper {
#(define fonts
(set-global-fonts
#:music beethoven
#:factor (/ staff-height pt 20) ))
}
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That's a valid question. I debated that, but I guess the real question is do we
tend to engrave more often at a staff-height other than the default 20pt? If
so, then you are probably right. The truth is, this is exactly what I did in
the font style sheets, so maybe I should do that on the web pages, too.
Good recommendation!
-Abraham
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 10, 2014, at 1:08 AM, Pierre Perol-Schneider
pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com wrote:
Oupps, send by mistake...
So my question was, why not adding #:factor (/ staff-height pt 20)by default
and delete these notes ?
2014-10-10 9:05 GMT+02:00 Pierre Perol-Schneider
pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com:
Hi Abraham,
2014-10-09 15:39 GMT+02:00 Abraham Lee tisimst.lilyp...@gmail.com:
I just thought I'd open up this thread to any feedback anyone has about the
fonts and ANYTHING related to them.
Just one question.
For each font you add this note : You'll need to add the argument if you
are working at staff-height other than 20pt.
So I was wondering why not putting :
\paper {
#(define fonts
(set-global-fonts
#:music beethoven
#:factor (/ staff-height pt 20) ))
}
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Re: Feedback Request for Music Fonts
Guy, Thank you for using it! That's a wonderful story! Keep it up :) Regards, Abraham Sent from my iPhone On Oct 9, 2014, at 2:56 PM, Guy Stalnaker jimmyg...@gmail.com wrote: I LOVE what you've done. I them installed on all of my lilypond/Frescobaldi intallations (five in total). And you have a compliment from a non-LP/Frescobaldi user. The director of my church's chancel choir specifically mentioned the beauty and legibility of a score I engraved with Haydn :-) You rock! On 10/09/2014 11:01 AM, lilypond-user-requ...@gnu.org wrote: Feedback Request for Music Fonts -- There is only love, and then oblivion. Love is all we have to set against hatred. (paraphrased) Ian McEwan Guy Stalnaker jimmyg...@gmail.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feedback Request for Music Fonts
Scott, Very interesting... If they're used to Finale's output, then this isn't too surprising, since Finale's Maestro font and Profondo are based on the same glyph set, only Profondo is a heavier version. And I'm glad you like Scorlatti! Care to share any of your recent works with it? Regards, Abraham Sent from my iPhone On Oct 9, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Scott Miller scottli...@gmail.com wrote: (edit: forgot to reply to list) I have had the chance to throw some different scores in front of a few players. They all seemed to prefer the Profondo font, curiously enough stating that it looked the most modern. My favorite is the Scorlatti font which is just brilliant. Thank you for your hard work on this, ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feedback Request for Music Fonts
Stan, I hope you are right. Hopefully this will open more doors and help make LilyPond more commercially appealing ;) Do you have any scores that you would be willing to share that uses a font you like? Regards, Abraham Sent from my iPhone On Oct 9, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Stan Sanderson stans...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 9, 2014, at 8:39 AM, Abraham Lee tisimst.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings, fellow users! With the advent of the new music fonts and the accompanying website, I just thought I'd open up this thread to any feedback anyone has about the fonts and ANYTHING related to them. I think it would also be neat for users to also share success stories from using them. I want it all, the brags and the drags. Abraham, Brags only- you have opened up new possibilities due to the new ease of including fonts and styles. I've installed all the new fonts in my system font library (Apple-Mac) and Frescobaldi has no problem finding them. Always learning! Thanks, Stan ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feedback Request for Music Fonts
Hi Abraham, Am 10.10.2014 um 12:17 schrieb Abraham Lee: do we tend to engrave more often at a staff-height other than the default 20pt? I would say: yes. I use a variety of staff sizes, usually between 16 and 20. Especially for songs and choir scores 20 is a bit too large, imo. Just for me to get it right: Is it possible to change the set-global-fonts function such that it does not need to call the factor function explicitly (because it uses it by default)? Or is this thread about always writing it in the examples because you need it for all staff sizes except 20? Cheers, Joram ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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Re: Feedback Request for Music Fonts
Dear Abraham, the possibility to switch fonts is just great. Thank you! I have to admit that I really like the default Emmentaler font (it is carefully designed and I am used to it). Some follow up thoughts: - Polskie Wydawnictwo Muzyc music font As you are often asking for scores with a nice font, I recently found scores printed by the Polish publisher Polskie Wydawnictwo Muzyc (PWM). This is the only scan, I found in the same style: http://javanese.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/2/23/IMSLP06555-Cantabile.pdf I don’t need it really. But it looks good in my opinion. - Stylesheets You offer some stylesheets on the fonts website as a zip file. What do you think about including them in the openlilylib git repo? - Stylesheets and text fonts The stylesheets could incorporate overrides for the text fonts, too. The tuplet numbers in Profondo could be bold, for example. That leads me to two more questions: 1) Can the tuplet numbers and other numbers be written in the same font as the music font? Does your machinery allow to take these numbers from Bravura for example and put it in a normal text font? 2) Do you or does anyone know text fonts similar to the ones used in many old scores, like here: http://javanese.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/7/7f/IMSLP00115-Chopin_-_Ballade_No1.pdf with the characteristic narrow letters and a remarkably big difference in the width of horizontal and vertical lines (black and thick vertical lines and very thin horizontal lines)? I would be interested in any font shape (regular, bold, italic). Cheers, Joram Am 09.10.2014 um 15:39 schrieb Abraham Lee: Greetings, fellow users! With the advent of the new music fonts and the accompanying website, I just thought I'd open up this thread to any feedback anyone has about the fonts and ANYTHING related to them. I think it would also be neat for users to also share success stories from using them. I want it all, the brags and the drags. I look forward to hearing from you all! Regards, Abraham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Feedback Request for Music Fonts
Greetings, fellow users! With the advent of the new music fonts and the accompanying website, I just thought I'd open up this thread to any feedback anyone has about the fonts and ANYTHING related to them. I think it would also be neat for users to also share success stories from using them. I want it all, the brags and the drags. I look forward to hearing from you all! Regards, Abraham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feedback Request for Music Fonts
(edit: forgot to reply to list) I have had the chance to throw some different scores in front of a few players. They all seemed to prefer the Profondo font, curiously enough stating that it looked the most modern. My favorite is the Scorlatti font which is just brilliant. Thank you for your hard work on this, ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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I LOVE what you've done. I them installed on all of my lilypond/Frescobaldi intallations (five in total). And you have a compliment from a non-LP/Frescobaldi user. The director of my church's chancel choir specifically mentioned the beauty and legibility of a score I engraved with Haydn :-) You rock! On 10/09/2014 11:01 AM, lilypond-user-requ...@gnu.org wrote: Feedback Request for Music Fonts -- There is only love, and then oblivion. Love is all we have to set against hatred. (paraphrased) Ian McEwan Guy Stalnaker jimmyg...@gmail.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
