Help with Horizontal Compression!

[sunamcmkcin]

Hello, 

I recently started to typeset Shostakovich's first violin concerto and i
entered the first 7 bars into lilypond, only to find that the notes have
been spaced at some comically large space, rather than compressing into a
readable size.

If the score was to continue at this rate then reading the score while
listening to the piece would turn into a page-turning speed test!

Is there anyway to tell lilypond to just take up less room? (see score and
.ly attachments below)


Thanks, Nick.

D-Shostakovich-Concerto-No-1.ly
<http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n177855/D-Shostakovich-Concerto-No-1.ly>
  
solo.ly <http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n177855/solo.ly>  
winds.ly <http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n177855/winds.ly>  
strings.ly <http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n177855/strings.ly>  
brass.ly <http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n177855/brass.ly>  
percussion.ly
<http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n177855/percussion.ly>  
D-Shostakovich-Concerto-No-1.pdf
<http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n177855/D-Shostakovich-Concerto-No-1.pdf>
  



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Re: Help with Horizontal Compression!

[flup2]

Hello,

Perhaps it won't help but documentation from fonts.openlilylib.org tells
that the staff height factor has to be set to 20. Is there a reason why you
set it to 22 ?

Philippe



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Re: Help with Horizontal Compression!

[Simon Albrecht]

Hello,

some remarks:
1. Are you aware that it’s illegal what you’re doing? All of the works 
of Shostakovich are under copyright (almost?) everywhere on the world, 
see the note on <http://imslp.org/wiki/Category:Shostakovich,_Dmitry>. 
So there is little point in typesetting his music, unless you intend to 
wait with publication until 2026 (Canada), 2046 (EU), and so on (matters 
are very complicated in the US). And posting examples on this list 
(which means publishing for what I know) is touchy at least, since 
depending on the size of the example it may be considered fair use or not.
2. On your actual question: just go on typesetting (if you consider it 
useful…) and probably things will turn out properly on their own. With 
short scores like this, there often is no really good solution for 
breaking: it’s too much for one page, but too little for two pages.
3. If the problem should persist nevertheless, have a look at 
<http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/fitting-music-onto-fewer-pages>.


Best regards, Simon

Am 14.06.2015 um 16:39 schrieb sunamcmkcin:

Hello,

I recently started to typeset Shostakovich's first violin concerto and i
entered the first 7 bars into lilypond, only to find that the notes have
been spaced at some comically large space, rather than compressing into a
readable size.

If the score was to continue at this rate then reading the score while
listening to the piece would turn into a page-turning speed test!

Is there anyway to tell lilypond to just take up less room? (see score and
.ly attachments below)


Thanks, Nick.

D-Shostakovich-Concerto-No-1.ly
<http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n177855/D-Shostakovich-Concerto-No-1.ly>
solo.ly <http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n177855/solo.ly>
winds.ly <http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n177855/winds.ly>
strings.ly <http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n177855/strings.ly>
brass.ly <http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n177855/brass.ly>
percussion.ly
<http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n177855/percussion.ly>
D-Shostakovich-Concerto-No-1.pdf
<http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n177855/D-Shostakovich-Concerto-No-1.pdf>



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Re: Help with Horizontal Compression!

[David Kastrup]

Simon Albrecht  writes:

> Hello,
>
> some remarks:
> 1. Are you aware that it’s illegal what you’re doing? All of the works
> of Shostakovich are under copyright (almost?) everywhere on the world,
> see the note on
> .

So?  That does not preclude him from making copies for personal use in
most jurisdictions in the world.

> So there is little point in typesetting his music, unless you intend
> to wait with publication until 2026 (Canada), 2046 (EU), and so on
> (matters are very complicated in the US).

> And posting examples on this list (which means publishing for what I
> know) is touchy at least, since depending on the size of the example
> it may be considered fair use or not.

The few measures we are talking about here, for the purpose of solving a
typesetting problem, would not be problematic as far as I can tell.

> 2. On your actual question: just go on typesetting (if you consider it
> useful…) and probably things will turn out properly on their own. With
> short scores like this, there often is no really good solution for
> breaking: it’s too much for one page, but too little for two pages.
> 3. If the problem should persist nevertheless, have a look at
> .

In general, LilyPond tends to take up sizeable more space than scores by
experienced human engravers.

-- 
David Kastrup

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Re: Help with Horizontal Compression!

[Urs Liska]

Am 14.06.2015 um 22:42 schrieb David Kastrup:
>> 3. If the problem should persist nevertheless, have a look at
>> > .
> In general, LilyPond tends to take up sizeable more space than scores by
> experienced human engravers.

But generally less than the "competition".
Getting their programs to deliver dense engravings is usually an issue
for engravers and publishers, and LilyPond delivers pretty well in this
area. But maybe not always by default.


Regarding the original question I second the suggestion to enter more
music. In this stage LilyPond tries to fill two pages, which simply
doesn't work very well. When you reach an amount of 8-10 pages you'll
see much clearer where you'll heading to.

And we can assure you that then you will be able to tell LilyPond to
engrave more densely, even if the default still shouldn't work for you.

One more comment: There has been quite significant changes
(improvements) between the current stable and the current development
version, so the latest 2.19 version will engrave more densely by default
than 2.18.

HTH
Urs

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Re: Help with Horizontal Compression!

[Thomas Morley]

2015-06-14 22:42 GMT+02:00 David Kastrup :
> Simon Albrecht  writes:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> some remarks:
>> 1. Are you aware that it’s illegal what you’re doing? All of the works
>> of Shostakovich are under copyright (almost?) everywhere on the world,
>> see the note on
>> .
>
> So?  That does not preclude him from making copies for personal use in
> most jurisdictions in the world.

In Germany it is forbidden to make a photocopy of protected music,
even if you own a bought printed edition.
But it is allowed to copy it _once(!)_ with a pen and a sheet of paper
or using a music typesetting program, etc.
At least, that's what I was told from my boss.
In the end you'll always need a lawyer at hand - ofcourse you will
most likely not be able to pay him, if you ask him every day multiple
times ...

Anyway, on this list it's always possible to ask questions about
typesetting even protected music, if you tell us randomized
note-entries.


Cheers,
  Harm

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