Frescobaldi (Re: LilyPond editing environments)
Op Sun, 10 May 2015 10:07:59 +0200 Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org schreef: I know I could collect this information myself, but I prefer having it 1st-hand and current this way. I will be presenting LilyPond to the MEI community at the Music Encoding Conference in Florence in a week. As one (small) part of the presentation I want to present a list of interesting editing environments that are available for LilyPond, to show a little bit of the versatility, but also the direction things have been taking in recent years (my assumption is that basically everyone involved in music encoding/MEI knows about LilyPond but that only a very small share is actually following what happens around it). So I'd be happy if anyone who is involved in the development of a LilyPond editing environment could send me (privately or on this list) a very short report about it, with - name - tooltip-like short description about the fundamental character - comment on the development state (and activity) - link to homepage or other source of reference Probably I won't have the time in the presentation to read out all this for all projects, but I intend to have at least a page in the handout with such a list. Frescobaldi A text editor for LilyPond source with integrated music view and midi player. The music view has a two-way connection with the notes in the source text, even when the document is modified, notes still remain connected. Included are powerful tools such as a score wizard, a snippet manager, and functions to alter music, such as transpose, change the rhythm, hyphenate lyrics, add articulations etc. Frescobaldi runs on OS X, Linux and MS Windows. Development is very active, with 5 releases in the past year. There is a small development team. http://www.frescobaldi.org/ -- Wilbert Berendsen (http://www.wilbertberendsen.nl) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
LilyPond editing environments
I know I could collect this information myself, but I prefer having it 1st-hand and current this way. I will be presenting LilyPond to the MEI community at the Music Encoding Conference in Florence in a week. As one (small) part of the presentation I want to present a list of interesting editing environments that are available for LilyPond, to show a little bit of the versatility, but also the direction things have been taking in recent years (my assumption is that basically everyone involved in music encoding/MEI knows about LilyPond but that only a very small share is actually following what happens around it). So I'd be happy if anyone who is involved in the development of a LilyPond editing environment could send me (privately or on this list) a very short report about it, with - name - tooltip-like short description about the fundamental character - comment on the development state (and activity) - link to homepage or other source of reference Probably I won't have the time in the presentation to read out all this for all projects, but I intend to have at least a page in the handout with such a list. Thanks Urs -- Urs Liska www.openlilylib.org ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond editing environments
On Sun, 2015-05-10 at 10:07 +0200, Urs Liska wrote: [...] So I'd be happy if anyone who is involved in the development of a LilyPond editing environment could send me (privately or on this list) a very short report about it, with - name - tooltip-like short description about the fundamental character - comment on the development state (and activity) - link to homepage or other source of reference Denemo WYSIWYM editor for LilyPond, displays the LilyPond music as simple typeset notation as the music is entered into the score. Outputs the LilyPond music text either with a selection of default layouts (full-score, parts, etc) or hand-written LilyPond to describe the layout. WYSIWYG editing on the LilyPond PDF of slurs and positioning marks. Very active: 33 releases is six years, five in the past year, very small team of developers. http://www.denemo.org HTH Richard ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond editing environments
Am 10.05.2015 um 12:02 schrieb Richard Shann: On Sun, 2015-05-10 at 10:07 +0200, Urs Liska wrote: [...] So I'd be happy if anyone who is involved in the development of a LilyPond editing environment could send me (privately or on this list) a very short report about it, with - name - tooltip-like short description about the fundamental character - comment on the development state (and activity) - link to homepage or other source of reference Denemo WYSIWYM editor for LilyPond, displays the LilyPond music as simple typeset notation as the music is entered into the score. Outputs the LilyPond music text either with a selection of default layouts (full-score, parts, etc) or hand-written LilyPond to describe the layout. WYSIWYG editing on the LilyPond PDF of slurs and positioning marks. Very active: 33 releases is six years, five in the past year, very small team of developers. http://www.denemo.org HTH It does. This is what I was asking for. Of course I know about Denemo but this is the kind of information you can provide better than I could retrieve it on my own. Urs Richard -- Urs Liska www.openlilylib.org ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond editing environments
On Sun, 2015-05-10 at 07:42 -0700, Paul Scott wrote: On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 11:02:12AM +0100, Richard Shann wrote: On Sun, 2015-05-10 at 10:07 +0200, Urs Liska wrote: [...] So I'd be happy if anyone who is involved in the development of a LilyPond editing environment could send me (privately or on this list) a very short report about it, with - name - tooltip-like short description about the fundamental character - comment on the development state (and activity) - link to homepage or other source of reference Denemo WYSIWYM editor for LilyPond, displays the LilyPond music as simple typeset notation as the music is entered into the score. Outputs the LilyPond music text either with a selection of default layouts (full-score, parts, etc) or hand-written LilyPond to describe the layout. WYSIWYG editing on the LilyPond PDF of slurs and positioning marks. Very active: 33 releases is six years, five in the past year, very small team of developers. http://www.denemo.org I'm installing it on my Debian system to check it out. If you install the package from Debian it will be several years out of date. Can I use it with the development versions? (2.19.19) Yes, Edit-Change Preferences-Externals-Path to LilyPond Richard ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond editing environments
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 11:02:12AM +0100, Richard Shann wrote: On Sun, 2015-05-10 at 10:07 +0200, Urs Liska wrote: [...] So I'd be happy if anyone who is involved in the development of a LilyPond editing environment could send me (privately or on this list) a very short report about it, with - name - tooltip-like short description about the fundamental character - comment on the development state (and activity) - link to homepage or other source of reference Denemo WYSIWYM editor for LilyPond, displays the LilyPond music as simple typeset notation as the music is entered into the score. Outputs the LilyPond music text either with a selection of default layouts (full-score, parts, etc) or hand-written LilyPond to describe the layout. WYSIWYG editing on the LilyPond PDF of slurs and positioning marks. Very active: 33 releases is six years, five in the past year, very small team of developers. http://www.denemo.org I'm installing it on my Debian system to check it out. Can I use it with the development versions? (2.19.19) Paul Scott HTH Richard ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond editing environments
I'm not involved in the development end of this, but I know there's an Emacs major mode, lilypond-mode, for entering Lilypond files. I've used it only a little bit. I don't believe it is very actively developed, but I could be wrong. http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/usage/text-editor-support#emacs-mode -steven arntson Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: I know I could collect this information myself, but I prefer having it 1st-hand and current this way. I will be presenting LilyPond to the MEI community at the Music Encoding Conference in Florence in a week. As one (small) part of the presentation I want to present a list of interesting editing environments that are available for LilyPond, to show a little bit of the versatility, but also the direction things have been taking in recent years (my assumption is that basically everyone involved in music encoding/MEI knows about LilyPond but that only a very small share is actually following what happens around it). So I'd be happy if anyone who is involved in the development of a LilyPond editing environment could send me (privately or on this list) a very short report about it, with - name - tooltip-like short description about the fundamental character - comment on the development state (and activity) - link to homepage or other source of reference Probably I won't have the time in the presentation to read out all this for all projects, but I intend to have at least a page in the handout with such a list. Thanks Urs ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
LilyPond editing environments
Hi, I have a few questions about the contents of the Easier editing page on lilypond.org. a) LilyPondTool. The link is broken, and http://lilypondtool.blogspot.de/ states (as of 2012-09-14) that development of LilyPondTool is stopped. Should I move it to the Other programs not being actively developed section? b) What is the reason that Tunefl is the topmost item in this list Shouldn't we instead add a new subsection for Online tools? - Tunefl - Schikker's list - lilybin - more? I would even add the MediaWiki extension to Wikipedia there. Urs ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond editing environments
2013/12/9 Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org: Hi, I have a few questions about the contents of the Easier editing page on lilypond.org. a) LilyPondTool. The link is broken, and http://lilypondtool.blogspot.de/ states (as of 2012-09-14) that development of LilyPondTool is stopped. Should I move it to the Other programs not being actively developed section? absolutely! b) What is the reason that Tunefl is the topmost item in this list Shouldn't we instead add a new subsection for Online tools? - Tunefl - Schikker's list - lilybin - more? I would even add the MediaWiki extension to Wikipedia there. Hard to say. And I think there was some licensing problem with Lilybin (it may not be fully free, and as GNU we cannot recommend non-free programs). But i agree that Frescobaldi should be on top, then Denemo, and then Tunefl (as it does allow only to create small scores). Janek ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond editing environments
2013/12/9 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com Hard to say. And I think there was some licensing problem with Lilybin (it may not be fully free, and as GNU we cannot recommend non-free programs). I see MIT license here: https://github.com/trevordixon/LilyBin/blob/master/LICENSE ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond editing environments
2013/12/9 Federico Bruni fedel...@gmail.com: 2013/12/9 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com Hard to say. And I think there was some licensing problem with Lilybin (it may not be fully free, and as GNU we cannot recommend non-free programs). I see MIT license here: https://github.com/trevordixon/LilyBin/blob/master/LICENSE Indeed, i couldn't find any information about problems in the mail archives. So i think it should be added - i think it's very nice, and a terrific introduction to Lilypond! J ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond editing environments
Am 09.12.2013 17:34, schrieb Janek Warchoł: 2013/12/9 Federico Bruni fedel...@gmail.com: 2013/12/9 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com Hard to say. And I think there was some licensing problem with Lilybin (it may not be fully free, and as GNU we cannot recommend non-free programs). I see MIT license here: https://github.com/trevordixon/LilyBin/blob/master/LICENSE Indeed, i couldn't find any information about problems in the mail archives. So i think it should be added - i think it's very nice, and a terrific introduction to Lilypond! J Would a section Online Tools better be placed between the full-fledged editors (Frescobaldi/Denemo) and Text editors or after the Text editors. I think we could consider not only score editors but also tools like - http://scalematcher.adamspiers.org/ or - a tool for harmonic analysis someone announced just recently and which I unfortunately don't find right now. Urs ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond editing environments
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote: Would a section Online Tools better be placed between the full-fledged editors (Frescobaldi/Denemo) and Text editors or after the Text editors. I think we could consider not only score editors but also tools like - http://scalematcher.adamspiers.org/ or - a tool for harmonic analysis someone announced just recently and which I unfortunately don't find right now. Urs I think here you're starting to cross the line from editors/tools (things that help you use and work with LilyPond) into more of a Gallery (things that people have done with LilyPond). Scale Matcher is an interesting, This is what someone has done with LilyPond (similar to Pondings). The difference between it and Lilybin is that Lilybin is an online editing environment that compiles whatever the user wants. Scale Matcher only does one thing through a user interface. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond editing environments
2013/12/9 Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org: Would a section Online Tools better be placed between the full-fledged editors (Frescobaldi/Denemo) and Text editors or after the Text editors. before text editors imo ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond editing environments
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote: Would a section Online Tools better be placed between the full-fledged editors (Frescobaldi/Denemo) and Text editors or after the Text editors. I think we could consider not only score editors but also tools like - http://scalematcher.adamspiers.org/ or - a tool for harmonic analysis someone announced just recently and which I unfortunately don't find right now. Urs I think here you're starting to cross the line from editors/tools (things that help you use and work with LilyPond) into more of a Gallery (things that people have done with LilyPond). Scale Matcher is an interesting, This is what someone has done with LilyPond (similar to Pondings). The difference between it and Lilybin is that Lilybin is an online editing environment that compiles whatever the user wants. Scale Matcher only does one thing through a user interface. To clarify on this point, I would separate Gallery items into a separate page from anything related to installing/using LilyPond. This is fairly normal and I would want to maintain a clear distinction between things that let you work with LilyPond to do what *you* want, and things that either (a) have no functional use (e.g., postings of LilyPond-engraved works), or (b) are limited-scope utilities (such as Scale Matcher), particularly in the latter case so that someone doesn't go to the site mistakenly thinking they can use it to do x (in spite of clear disclaimers to the contrary). Carl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond editing environments
Am 09.12.2013 18:19, schrieb Carl Peterson: On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote: Would a section Online Tools better be placed between the full-fledged editors (Frescobaldi/Denemo) and Text editors or after the Text editors. I think we could consider not only score editors but also tools like - http://scalematcher.adamspiers.org/ or - a tool for harmonic analysis someone announced just recently and which I unfortunately don't find right now. Urs I think here you're starting to cross the line from editors/tools (things that help you use and work with LilyPond) into more of a Gallery (things that people have done with LilyPond). Scale Matcher is an interesting, This is what someone has done with LilyPond (similar to Pondings). The difference between it and Lilybin is that Lilybin is an online editing environment that compiles whatever the user wants. Scale Matcher only does one thing through a user interface. To clarify on this point, I would separate Gallery items into a separate page from anything related to installing/using LilyPond. This is fairly normal and I would want to maintain a clear distinction between things that let you work with LilyPond to do what *you* want, and things that either (a) have no functional use (e.g., postings of LilyPond-engraved works), or (b) are limited-scope utilities (such as Scale Matcher), particularly in the latter case so that someone doesn't go to the site mistakenly thinking they can use it to do x (in spite of clear disclaimers to the contrary). Carl Actually this is what I thought immediately after sending my message ;-) I think the Gallery of - concerts - published scores - things that have been done with LilyPond also deserves a few thoughts ... Urs ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilypond editing environments
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Nick Payne nick.pa...@internode.on.net wrote: Elysium (the Eclipse plugin for Lilypond editing) is not listed in the documentation as one of the editing environments for Lilypond. It should probably be there http://elysium.thsoft.hu/ I didn't found licensing information on their website; since Lily is a GNU project we can recommend only Free Software. If Elysium is Free Software, please send an information about it to bug-lilyp...@gnu.org thanks, Janek ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilypond editing environments
012/9/6 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com: On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Nick Payne nick.pa...@internode.on.net wrote: Elysium (the Eclipse plugin for Lilypond editing) is not listed in the documentation as one of the editing environments for Lilypond. It should probably be there http://elysium.thsoft.hu/ I didn't found licensing information on their website; since Lily is a GNU project we can recommend only Free Software. If Elysium is Free Software, please send an information about it to bug-lilyp...@gnu.org Their license is EPL, as indicated here: http://marketplace.eclipse.org/content/elysium#.UEhONkK4qlo and here: http://code.google.com/a/eclipselabs.org/p/elysium/ EPL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_Public_License (OSI approved, but not GPL compatible) Best regards, Hraban ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilypond editing environments
On 06/09/12 16:27, Janek Warchoł wrote: On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Nick Payne nick.pa...@internode.on.net wrote: Elysium (the Eclipse plugin for Lilypond editing) is not listed in the documentation as one of the editing environments for Lilypond. It should probably be there http://elysium.thsoft.hu/ I didn't found licensing information on their website; since Lily is a GNU project we can recommend only Free Software. If Elysium is Free Software, please send an information about it to bug-lilyp...@gnu.org The licensing is EPL: https://code.google.com/a/eclipselabs.org/p/elysium/. EPL is listed as an open source license at http://opensource.org/licenses/alphabetical. Nick https://code.google.com/a/eclipselabs.org/p/elysium/ ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Lilypond editing environments
Elysium (the Eclipse plugin for Lilypond editing) is not listed in the documentation as one of the editing environments for Lilypond. It should probably be there ( http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.17/Documentation/web-big-page#easier-editing). http://elysium.thsoft.hu/ Nick ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Lilypond Editing Environments and output file names
This is a heads up for those like Bert and Wilbert who write editing support environments for Lilypond. I currently have a patch in for review which will allow Lily to redirect the backend output to another file for particular \book blocks. Currently you do this by setting environment variables like output-suffix. I've noticed that LilypondTool and Frescobaldi can get fooled using their internal pdf viewers about where the successfully compiled output is. I wonder if you editor guys can take an enhancement to make your PDF viewers sensitive to the code writing the final format to a different file name? Tracker no is 836, Patch code is at http://codereview.appspot.com/143055/show if you want to see what's there. Hope this helps you to keep your Lilypond layered projects ready for 2.14. (If my patch gets through, that is). Cheers, Ian ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilypond Editing Environments and output file names
Op vrijdag 30 oktober 2009 schreef Ian: I've noticed that LilypondTool and Frescobaldi can get fooled using their internal pdf viewers about where the successfully compiled output is. I wonder if you editor guys can take an enhancement to make your PDF viewers sensitive to the code writing the final format to a different file name? It is no problem to implement, Frescobaldi will probably implement support for this as soon as it reaches stable LilyPond and is documented. Currently Frescobaldi looks for files with the same basename and globs for possible suffixes. best regards, Wilbert Berendsen -- Frescobaldi, LilyPond editor for KDE: http://www.frescobaldi.org/ Nederlands LilyPond forum: http://www.lilypondforum.nl/ ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
