Re: Manual engraving video
Arjan Bos wrote: The interesting thing from the video that I took home from it is that the engraving of a piece is dependent on the tempo: an Andante piece should be typeset more dense than an Allegro piece. Is it possible to embed this rule into Lilypond? Perhaps driven via a new identifier \tempoText = Andante? I think it's at least partly incorporated already, since LilyPond will adjust the spacing based on the shortest note value in the piece (well, the actual rule is a bit more complicated but this is the basic idea). /Mats ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Manual engraving video
On 23 nov 2006, at 8:09, Martial wrote: The fact that they chose to switch to computer-engraving doesn't contradict that hand-engraving is far better; see: http://lilypond.org/web/about/automated-engraving/introduction.html And the Lilypond product is great ! The interesting thing from the video that I took home from it is that the engraving of a piece is dependent on the tempo: an Andante piece should be typeset more dense than an Allegro piece. Is it possible to embed this rule into Lilypond? Perhaps driven via a new identifier \tempoText = Andante? http://cathemline.org/lily/fragment_typo.html Nice! --- A marriage is always made up of two people who are prepared to swear that only the other one snores. -- (Terry Pratchett, The Fifth Elephant) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Manual engraving video
Arvid Grøtting escreveu: The problem is twofold: This print shop doesn't stock any cream-colored A3 paper which would be nice, and the finished sheet music is almost *too* sharp. this is mainly due to the whiteness of the paper. Using yellow paper decreases the contrast a bit, and will probably do what you want. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen LilyPond Software Design -- Code for Music Notation http://www.lilypond-design.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Manual engraving video
Joseph Haig josephhaig at gmail.com writes: Note the second comment: It will be a long time before this beautiful process can be replicated by computers. Erm ... It took Henle three years, from the video was made in 1997 until they stopped hand-engraving in 2000. Three years should not be a long time from a music publisher's point of view... Anyway. I'm considering placing an order for HN 901 with one of my music dealers. I hope it's a used item, though... ;-) -- Arvid ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Manual engraving video
On Wednesday 22 November 2006 09:20, Arvid Grøtting wrote: Joseph Haig josephhaig at gmail.com writes: Note the second comment: It will be a long time before this beautiful process can be replicated by computers. Erm ... It took Henle three years, from the video was made in 1997 until they stopped hand-engraving in 2000. Three years should not be a long time from a music publisher's point of view... The fact that they chose to switch to computer-engraving doesn't contradict that hand-engraving is far better; see: http://lilypond.org/web/about/automated-engraving/introduction.html -- Erik ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Manual engraving video
Erik Sandberg mandolaerik at gmail.com writes: The fact that they chose to switch to computer-engraving doesn't contradict that hand-engraving is far better; [...] True. On the other hand, hand-engraved doesn't always mean better. I've seen, sung from and copied hand-engraved scores (or photocopies thereof) that were quite unreadable. A good hand-engraved score (as well as a recent LilyPond-engraved score) is quite beautiful and can withstand photocopying very well. On another note, I'm looking for the paper quality, printing technique and printer that will best do LilyPond justice. Office laserprinter on 80g A4 white office paper is all quite well, but I'm thinking along the lines of 120g or heavier, off-white or even recycled paper, and of course I dream of etching a LilyPond score into a plate and printing it in some kind of gravure printer ;-) -- Arvid ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Manual engraving video
Hello, all! On another note, I'm looking for the paper quality, printing technique and printer that will best do LilyPond justice. I find the Rockland 70lb (140g), 11x17, cream-coloured paper lives up to Lilypond standards! Best, Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Manual engraving video
Arvid Grøtting [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and of course I dream of etching a LilyPond score into a plate and printing it in some kind of gravure printer ;-) Lilypond produces PostScript (or PDF) which means it has infinite sharpness. It is the reproduction device that controls how the result looks. If you use a professional quality printer the result will be splendid. Maybe you can contact a real printer (not the copy shop at the end of the street) and ask whether they can produce high qaulity prints on manually factured sheets of paper. Of course, if you want to feel the print you need to etch a plate and use a real press. But I'm sure that there are PostScript driven etching devices for this purpose. Or maybe I'm dreaming as well ;-). -- Johan ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Manual engraving video
Johan Vromans jvromans at squirrel.nl writes: Lilypond produces PostScript (or PDF) which means it has infinite sharpness. It is the reproduction device that controls how the result looks. If you use a professional quality printer the result will be splendid. Maybe you can contact a real printer (not the copy shop at the end of the street) and ask whether they can produce high qaulity prints on manually factured sheets of paper. Actually, the copy (and print) shop at the middle of the next street[1] produces quite magnifically sharp prints. That's not the problem. The problem is twofold: This print shop doesn't stock any cream-colored A3 paper which would be nice, and the finished sheet music is almost *too* sharp. So what I'm looking for is a bit more smudge, a bit of roughness, some printing artefacts. Of course, if you want to feel the print you need to etch a plate and use a real press. I don't think you get to feel the print in any literal sense with traditionally engraved scores -- the ink is in the depressions, remember... But I'm sure that there are PostScript driven etching devices for this purpose. Oh, I would guess so, although I'm sure I'd get as good results with a good print to transparent film and then photoetching. Perhaps even better. Or maybe I'm dreaming as well . I sure hope dreaming is allowed on this list. :-) [1] there's no copy shop at the end of my street, but there are several printers of varying professionality, including a big newspaper printer, within five minutes' walk. -- Arvid ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Manual engraving video
Am 2006-11-22 um 21:26 schrieb Arvid Grøtting: The problem is twofold: This print shop doesn't stock any cream- colored A3 paper which would be nice, and the finished sheet music is almost *too* sharp. So what I'm looking for is a bit more smudge, a bit of roughness, some printing artefacts. I guess you get the right paper at an artists supplier. If you need really much, ask at a printshop for samples and if they would order for you. I don't think you get to feel the print in any literal sense with traditionally engraved scores -- the ink is in the depressions, remember... Depends on the ink. There are thick gravure inks. (for artists, not industrial print) But I'm sure that there are PostScript driven etching devices for this purpose. There are - for industrial gravure printing. But if you don't sell your scores in millions, that doesn't make sense. ;-) There are different methods of computer to gravure cylinder... Greetlings from Lake Constance --- fiëé visuëlle Henning Hraban Ramm http://www.fiee.net http://angerweit.tikon.ch/lieder/ http://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Manual engraving video
The fact that they chose to switch to computer-engraving doesn't contradict that hand-engraving is far better; see: http://lilypond.org/web/about/automated-engraving/introduction.html And the Lilypond product is great ! http://cathemline.org/lily/fragment_typo.html ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Manual engraving video
On 21/11/06, Cesar Penagos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lilyponders! I wan to advice you that is an excellent video of the art of manual engraving in You Toube; you have to take a look of this excellent work. You can see it, at: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q8adEIMzbso Note the second comment: It will be a long time before this beautiful process can be replicated by computers. Erm ... ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Manual engraving video
Hi Lilyponders! I wan to advice you that is an excellent video of the art of manual engraving in You Toube; you have to take a look of this excellent work. You can see it, at: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q8adEIMzbso Saludos!! -- Atentamente; César Penagos Tel:Of:(502)2253-7181, 2253-3826 Home:(502)2474-4972, 2473-2510 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Manual engraving video
Cesar Penagos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wan to advice you that is an excellent video of the art of manual engraving in You Toube; you have to take a look of this excellent work. You can see it, at: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q8adEIMzbso Impressive! Here the German version, with a much better resolution: http://www.henle.de/video/vollversion/Notenstich_D.wmv But did I miss something important? As far as I could see, the plate is engraved according to a fixed layout and spacing and I've always understood that to print nice sheet music you have to make a number of slight corrections to please the eye and ease the reading. It's up to the engraver to do the corrections. The `circle' is just use to estimate the proportions. The final optical corrections are done directly during the engraving process. Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Manual engraving video
Cesar Penagos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wan to advice you that is an excellent video of the art of manual engraving in You Toube; you have to take a look of this excellent work. You can see it, at: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q8adEIMzbso Impressive! But did I miss something important? As far as I could see, the plate is engraved according to a fixed layout and spacing and I've always understood that to print nice sheet music you have to make a number of slight corrections to please the eye and ease the reading. Lilypond does a good job at this. -- Johan ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Manual engraving video
On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 08:59:39PM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: Here the German version, with a much better resolution: http://www.henle.de/video/vollversion/Notenstich_D.wmv Note that you can't directly fetch this, since they check the referer. But you can find it from Henle's download section. Ciao, Kili ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
