Re: How to "guarantee" Lilypond pdf (letter) output with sufficient margins for 3-hole punch?

[Kenneth Wolcott]

Hi Knute;

  Thanks for the tips.

  I'm in the midst of engraving a one-page sheet of music now using
your suggestions, hopefully it will be correct for three-hole-punching
or easy for me to fiddle with the values of the settings.

Thanks,
Ken

On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 1:30 PM Knute Snortum  wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 11:09 AM Kenneth Wolcott  
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi;
>>
>>   How to "guarantee" Lilypond pdf (letter) output with sufficient
>> margins for 3-hole punch?
>
>
> It's no guarantee, but I put the following in my paper block:
>
>   two-sided = ##t
>   inner-margin = 12\mm
>   outer-margin = 8\mm
>
> --
> Knute Snortum
>
>

Re: How to "guarantee" Lilypond pdf (letter) output with sufficient margins for 3-hole punch?

[Knute Snortum]

On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 11:09 AM Kenneth Wolcott 
wrote:

> Hi;
>
>   How to "guarantee" Lilypond pdf (letter) output with sufficient
> margins for 3-hole punch?
>

It's no guarantee, but I put the following in my paper block:

  two-sided = ##t
  inner-margin = 12\mm
  outer-margin = 8\mm

--
Knute Snortum

How to "guarantee" Lilypond pdf (letter) output with sufficient margins for 3-hole punch?

[Kenneth Wolcott]

Hi;

  How to "guarantee" Lilypond pdf (letter) output with sufficient
margins for 3-hole punch?

  I'm looking forward to having a method of "guaranteeing" Lilypond
pdf output for letter (not a4) of my engravings such that the
resulting printout can be three-hole punched (on both sides
potentially) without making adversely affecting the visibility of the
pdf.

  This "procedure" or "process" might be needed retroactively as well
as for a new engraving project.

  I know that this might be a proportionate value so I'd have to
adjust it if I specified (or changed) a global font size.

  I guess what I'm looking for is the equivalent of "indent" but for
every system.

  I'll look again to see if I understand "margin"-related settings...

Thanks for hints...

Ken Wolcott

Re: margins

[Shane Brandes]

Indeed I did.  And somehow that never occured to me.

Thanks,

Shane

On Fri, Jul 21, 2023, 5:23 PM Hans Aikema  wrote:

>
> On 21 Jul 2023, at 23:08, Shane Brandes  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Today I was working on a project and I tried setting the top and bottom
> margins in the paperblock in the 2.24.0 version. Nothing changed so I ended
> up editing the paper-defaults-init.ly. That caused the change I wanted,
> but why isn't  the paper block part working? The side margins work just
> fine. It is odd and was a time waster finding a workaround. Any
> explanations?
>
> regards,
> Shane
>
>
> I suspect you set the paper-size AFTER the top-margin
>
> Working:
> { c' }
> \paper {
> #(set-paper-size "a4")
> top-margin = 60
> }
>
>
> Not working:
> { c' }
> \paper {
> top-margin = 60
> #(set-paper-size "a4")
> }
>
>

Re: margins

[Hans Aikema]

> On 21 Jul 2023, at 23:08, Shane Brandes  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Today I was working on a project and I tried setting the top and bottom 
> margins in the paperblock in the 2.24.0 version. Nothing changed so I ended 
> up editing the paper-defaults-init.ly <http://paper-defaults-init.ly/>. That 
> caused the change I wanted, but why isn't  the paper block part working? The 
> side margins work just fine. It is odd and was a time waster finding a 
> workaround. Any explanations? 
> 
> regards,
> Shane

I suspect you set the paper-size AFTER the top-margin

Working:
{ c' }
\paper {
#(set-paper-size "a4")
top-margin = 60
}


Not working:
{ c' }
\paper {
top-margin = 60
#(set-paper-size "a4")
}

margins

[Shane Brandes]

Hi all,

Today I was working on a project and I tried setting the top and bottom
margins in the paperblock in the 2.24.0 version. Nothing changed so I ended
up editing the paper-defaults-init.ly. That caused the change I wanted, but
why isn't  the paper block part working? The side margins work just fine.
It is odd and was a time waster finding a workaround. Any explanations?

regards,
Shane

Re: Questions about ragged-right and margins

[Andrew Bernard]

Not sure if this is helpful to your use case, but you may want to take a 
look at how to centre psalms on a page in LSR snippet 708.


https://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=708

Andrew

Questions about ragged-right and margins

[Carl Peterson]

Hello All,

I have two questions related to ragged-right.

#1: Is it possible to change the behavior of ragged-right so that rather
than a system being an arbitrary length, the length snaps to certain
intervals? The out-of-the-box behavior of ragged-right = ##t can result in
systems that are minutely different lengths, which isn't particularly
attractive. Instead, it would be nice to snap to, say increments of 10% of
the maximum line length. I recognize that it's still possible to have two
similar-length lines that snap in opposite directions.

#2: Given #1 above, is it possible to set the margins of the score
dynamically so that the longest system is centered on the page, and all
other systems are left-aligned with it? Ideally, everything outside the
score would take the full margin/line length defined in the \paper block.

I'm typesetting a psalter with tune pairings. We want to generally match
the layout of a previously published hymnal that was done in Finale with
some of the above layout decisions. We're doing this project in LP because
the scope of the project (195 psalm paraphrases, each paired and notated
with multiple common tunes, prepared in multiple slide and print formats)
would be infeasible without the ability to automate the work using LP and a
language like Python.

Thanks in advance,
Carl Peterson

Fwd: Writing markup into the margins

[Paul Hodges]

 From:   Paul Hodges  
 To:   Valentin Petzel  
 Sent:   04/05/2022 23:12 
 Subject:   Re: Writing markup into the margins 

PS:


In my example I forgot to remove the indent from the paper to prove that my 
solution writes outside the normal area; but it does!


Paul



 From:   Valentin Petzel  
 To:
 Cc:   Paul Hodges  
 Sent:   04/05/2022 20:01 
 Subject:   Re: Writing markup into the margins 

Hello Paul, 
 
would something like this fit your case? 
 
{ 
  \override Staff.Clef.break-visibility = #all-invisible 
  \clef treble 
  c'1 c' c' c' \break 
  \override Score.MetronomeMark.break-align-symbols = #'(staff-bar key- 
signature clef) 
  \override Score.MetronomeMark.self-alignment-X = #CENTER 
  \override Score.MetronomeMark.break-visibility = #all-visible 
  \tempo \markup { \note-by-number #2 #0 #UP = \note-by-number #1 #0 #UP } 
  c' c' c' c' 
} 
 
This assumes that no explicit clefs are printed, but I cannot see how "I've  
been asked to do that even at the start of a line" would make any sense  
otherwise. 
 
Cheers, 
Valentin 
 
Am Mittwoch, 4. Mai 2022, 12:00:11 CEST schrieb Paul Hodges: 
> I have been asked to place tempo equations (Gould pp185-6) so that the = 
> sign is over a bar line.  If the tempo change is at a line break, this 
> requires half of the equation to jut out into the margin (I've been asked 
> to do that even at the start of a line - pace Gould).  This may be bad 
> practice, but I'm not the editor... 
>  
>  
> However, I can't make this happen, at least with markup; any attempt to 
> force it just results in the anchor for the markup being moved to bring the 
> markup back out of the margin. 
>  
>  
> Can anyone suggest how I can get around this? 
>  
>  
> Thanks, 
> Paul 
 

Fwd: Writing markup into the margins

[Paul Hodges]

 From:   Paul Hodges  
 To:   Valentin Petzel  
 Sent:   04/05/2022 22:53 
 Subject:   Re: Writing markup into the margins 

Thanks for the try.


I have in fact just found a much simpler solution for what the editor wants 
(yet another parameter I had no idea existed, of course):


%%

\version "2.23.3"


  \layout{
    \override Score.PaperColumn.keep-inside-line = ##f
  }


  { c'1^\markup 
        \halign #1.65 
        \concat { "← " \smaller \note-by-number #2 #0 #0.8
                  " = " \smaller \note-by-number #2 #1 #0.8 " →" 
                }
  }



Without the override, the halign in the markup simply forces the note it's 
attached to to move to the right (which was the problem I was faced with).  


Gould clearly assumes that no one would do this - and her example for the end 
of a line only works because there's a change of time signature as well which 
gives space for the equation to overlap the barline.


Paul


 From:   Valentin Petzel  
 To:
 Cc:   Paul Hodges  
 Sent:   04/05/2022 20:01 
 Subject:   Re: Writing markup into the margins 

Hello Paul, 
 
would something like this fit your case? 
 
{ 
  \override Staff.Clef.break-visibility = #all-invisible 
  \clef treble 
  c'1 c' c' c' \break 
  \override Score.MetronomeMark.break-align-symbols = #'(staff-bar key- 
signature clef) 
  \override Score.MetronomeMark.self-alignment-X = #CENTER 
  \override Score.MetronomeMark.break-visibility = #all-visible 
  \tempo \markup { \note-by-number #2 #0 #UP = \note-by-number #1 #0 #UP } 
  c' c' c' c' 
} 
 
This assumes that no explicit clefs are printed, but I cannot see how "I've  
been asked to do that even at the start of a line" would make any sense  
otherwise. 
 
Cheers, 
Valentin 
 
Am Mittwoch, 4. Mai 2022, 12:00:11 CEST schrieb Paul Hodges: 
> I have been asked to place tempo equations (Gould pp185-6) so that the = 
> sign is over a bar line.  If the tempo change is at a line break, this 
> requires half of the equation to jut out into the margin (I've been asked 
> to do that even at the start of a line - pace Gould).  This may be bad 
> practice, but I'm not the editor... 
>  
>  
> However, I can't make this happen, at least with markup; any attempt to 
> force it just results in the anchor for the markup being moved to bring the 
> markup back out of the margin. 
>  
>  
> Can anyone suggest how I can get around this? 
>  
>  
> Thanks, 
> Paul 
 

Re: Writing markup into the margins

[Valentin Petzel]

Hello Paul,

would something like this fit your case?

{
  \override Staff.Clef.break-visibility = #all-invisible
  \clef treble
  c'1 c' c' c' \break
  \override Score.MetronomeMark.break-align-symbols = #'(staff-bar key-
signature clef)
  \override Score.MetronomeMark.self-alignment-X = #CENTER
  \override Score.MetronomeMark.break-visibility = #all-visible
  \tempo \markup { \note-by-number #2 #0 #UP = \note-by-number #1 #0 #UP }
  c' c' c' c'
}

This assumes that no explicit clefs are printed, but I cannot see how "I've 
been asked to do that even at the start of a line" would make any sense 
otherwise.

Cheers,
Valentin

Am Mittwoch, 4. Mai 2022, 12:00:11 CEST schrieb Paul Hodges:
> I have been asked to place tempo equations (Gould pp185-6) so that the =
> sign is over a bar line.  If the tempo change is at a line break, this
> requires half of the equation to jut out into the margin (I've been asked
> to do that even at the start of a line - pace Gould).  This may be bad
> practice, but I'm not the editor...
> 
> 
> However, I can't make this happen, at least with markup; any attempt to
> force it just results in the anchor for the markup being moved to bring the
> markup back out of the margin.
> 
> 
> Can anyone suggest how I can get around this?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Paul



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Writing markup into the margins

[Paul Hodges]

I have been asked to place tempo equations (Gould pp185-6) so that the = sign 
is over a bar line.  If the tempo change is at a line break, this requires half 
of the equation to jut out into the margin (I've been asked to do that even at 
the start of a line - pace Gould).  This may be bad practice, but I'm not the 
editor...


However, I can't make this happen, at least with markup; any attempt to force 
it just results in the anchor for the markup being moved to bring the markup 
back out of the margin.


Can anyone suggest how I can get around this?


Thanks,
Paul

Re: top/bottom margins?

[jh]

yep that helped a lot.  Thanks.
j

On 2021-12-29 15:34, Carl Sorensen wrote:

On 12/29/21, 3:25 PM, "jh"  wrote:

very curious.  So your example printed better than mine the 
footnote is

very close to the edge and the top is very far down.
So I opened librewriter cut the margins to .5 and filled the top 
and two
lines of text at the bottom and there is no loss at the bottom and 
no

extra space at the top.
So this is a problem that is connected to the program more than the
printer.  The github links didn't inform me much as I am not that 
kind
of tech person (as if you couldn't tell) and I have never used 
github

and don't have an account.

I think I'm asking "is there a way to manually set the margins in
lilypond?"

I think the issue is a Frescobaldi issue, not a LilyPond issue, as the
links Federico shared point out.

Instead of printing from Frescobaldi, try opening up the saved pdf
file that is created by LilyPond and stored by Frescobaldi in the
working directory.  Open the pdf in some pdf viewer (evince is a Free
pdf viewer) and try printing from the viewer.  See if you still have
the problem.

HTH,

Carl

Re: top/bottom margins?

[Carl Sorensen]

On 12/29/21, 3:25 PM, "jh"  wrote:

very curious.  So your example printed better than mine the footnote is 
very close to the edge and the top is very far down.
So I opened librewriter cut the margins to .5 and filled the top and two 
lines of text at the bottom and there is no loss at the bottom and no 
extra space at the top.
So this is a problem that is connected to the program more than the 
printer.  The github links didn't inform me much as I am not that kind 
of tech person (as if you couldn't tell) and I have never used github 
and don't have an account.

I think I'm asking "is there a way to manually set the margins in 
lilypond?"

I think the issue is a Frescobaldi issue, not a LilyPond issue, as the links 
Federico shared point out.

Instead of printing from Frescobaldi, try opening up the saved pdf file that is 
created by LilyPond and stored by Frescobaldi in the working directory.  Open 
the pdf in some pdf viewer (evince is a Free pdf viewer) and try printing from 
the viewer.  See if you still have the problem.

HTH,

Carl

Re: top/bottom margins?

[jh]

very curious.  So your example printed better than mine the footnote is 
very close to the edge and the top is very far down.
So I opened librewriter cut the margins to .5 and filled the top and two 
lines of text at the bottom and there is no loss at the bottom and no 
extra space at the top.
So this is a problem that is connected to the program more than the 
printer.  The github links didn't inform me much as I am not that kind 
of tech person (as if you couldn't tell) and I have never used github 
and don't have an account.


I think I'm asking "is there a way to manually set the margins in 
lilypond?"

J
btw I do appreciate the help, and attention to my issue.
j

On 2021-12-29 12:12, Carl Sorensen wrote:

On 12/29/21, 12:09 PM, "jh"  wrote:

thanks- not sure what to do next the printer settings are as 
expected.

will have to think some more about it I guess.
J

Here's the pdf I created.  See if it prints for you.


Carl

Re: top/bottom margins?

[Federico Bruni]

On Wed, Dec 29 2021 at 12:09:12 -0700, jh  wrote:

thanks- not sure what to do next the printer settings are as expected.
will have to think some more about it I guess.


I remember that Frescobaldi had an issue with printing; can't remember 
if it was fixed.

I see some reports in the tracker:
https://github.com/frescobaldi/frescobaldi/issues/1365
https://github.com/frescobaldi/frescobaldi/issues/293

Read this:
https://github.com/frescobaldi/frescobaldi/issues/1198

Re: top/bottom margins?

[Carl Sorensen]

On 12/29/21, 12:09 PM, "jh"  wrote:

thanks- not sure what to do next the printer settings are as expected.
will have to think some more about it I guess.
J

Here's the pdf I created.  See if it prints for you.


Carl






Jay-Hamilton-24-5-Dec.pdf
Description: Jay-Hamilton-24-5-Dec.pdf

Re: top/bottom margins?

[jh]

thanks- not sure what to do next the printer settings are as expected.
will have to think some more about it I guess.
j

On 2021-12-29 12:02, Carl Sorensen wrote:

I added a score to your file to make it pring something.

It generates a perfect PDF on my system.  No extra space at the top or 
bottom.


\version "2.22.0"
\header {
  title = "24-5 Dec"
  subtitle = "chaconne"
  composer = "Jay Hamilton"
copyright = \markup { \tiny \override #'(baseline-skip . 0.5)
\center-column
{  "CC lic 2.5 some rights reserved Jay Hamilton 2021"
"see http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/2.5/;
   } }
   }
#(ly:set-option 'delete-intermediate-files #t)
#(set-default-paper-size "letter" )
 #(set-global-staff-size 20)

\score{
  {c'4}
}

Carl

Re: top/bottom margins?

[Carl Sorensen]

I added a score to your file to make it pring something.

It generates a perfect PDF on my system.  No extra space at the top or bottom.

\version "2.22.0"
\header {
  title = "24-5 Dec"
  subtitle = "chaconne"
  composer = "Jay Hamilton"
copyright = \markup { \tiny \override #'(baseline-skip . 0.5)
\center-column
{  "CC lic 2.5 some rights reserved Jay Hamilton 2021"
"see http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/2.5/;
   } }
   }
#(ly:set-option 'delete-intermediate-files #t)
#(set-default-paper-size "letter" )
 #(set-global-staff-size 20)

\score{
  {c'4}
}

Carl

Re: top/bottom margins?

[jh]

attached is the header I use as you can see it is Letter.
Brian suggests that it's the printer and his test does suggest that it 
is the printer; But no other pdf produced by other software has this 
problem all the others (3) print with an expected top margin and bottom 
margin.
So I'm stuck, I'd like to think there's a printer setting but since it 
prints normally for everything except lily/fresco-pdfs that doesn't make 
sense to me.  If you can explain it then I'll look further.

thanks
J

On 2021-12-29 11:34, Carl Sorensen wrote:

On 12/29/21, 9:22 AM, "lilypond-user on behalf of jh"
 wrote:

hello using 2.22 and current version of Frescobaldi.  using 
'letter' and

a new printer Canon
lately the top margin above the header has gotten wider and the 
footnote
(2 lines smaller font) on the first page of scores is getting cut 
off or

the bottom line is cut in half.

Is the easy solution to go smaller overall my default is 20 or is 
there

a paper solution that would do this?

I expect that you are using A4, rather than letter, as your paper 
definition.


Can you share a simple file that has the problem?

The Frescobaldi score wizard allows you to select letter as the paper
size.  If you do nothing to specify a paper size, you will get A4.

HTH,

Carl \version "2.22.0"
\header {
  title = "24-5 Dec"
  subtitle = "chaconne"
  composer = "Jay Hamilton"
copyright = \markup { \tiny \override #'(baseline-skip . 0.5)
\center-column
{  "CC lic 2.5 some rights reserved Jay Hamilton 2021"
"see http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/2.5/;
   } }
   }
#(ly:set-option 'delete-intermediate-files #t)
#(set-default-paper-size "letter" )
 #(set-global-staff-size 20)

Re: top/bottom margins?

[Carl Sorensen]

On 12/29/21, 9:22 AM, "lilypond-user on behalf of jh" 
 wrote:

hello using 2.22 and current version of Frescobaldi.  using 'letter' and 
a new printer Canon
lately the top margin above the header has gotten wider and the footnote 
(2 lines smaller font) on the first page of scores is getting cut off or 
the bottom line is cut in half.

Is the easy solution to go smaller overall my default is 20 or is there 
a paper solution that would do this?

I expect that you are using A4, rather than letter, as your paper definition.

Can you share a simple file that has the problem?

The Frescobaldi score wizard allows you to select letter as the paper size.  If 
you do nothing to specify a paper size, you will get A4.

HTH,

Carl
 

top/bottom margins?

[jh]

hello using 2.22 and current version of Frescobaldi.  using 'letter' and 
a new printer Canon
lately the top margin above the header has gotten wider and the footnote 
(2 lines smaller font) on the first page of scores is getting cut off or 
the bottom line is cut in half.


Is the easy solution to go smaller overall my default is 20 or is there 
a paper solution that would do this?

thanks
J

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Re: Markup in left and right margins

[Matthew Fong]

Hello Aaron,

Wowsers -- I am dense. That completely makes sense. And it is simple!


Many thanks,
mattfong

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 6:46 PM Aaron Hill  wrote:

> On 2020-10-15 6:03 pm, Matthew Fong wrote:
> > Many thanks for the solution of translation. I'm toying around with it
> > right now, and had a question:
> > I am possible misunderstanding the solution, and using the abs-override
> > incorrectly. I cannot seem to place a comment string next to the stave.
>
> The code I showed was purely to demonstrate that you *could* move things
> outside the margins.  But it was not prescriptive.  In practice, take a
> simpler route:
>
> 
> \version "2.20.0"
>
> \paper {
>#(set-paper-size "a6landscape")
>top-margin = 1.5\cm bottom-margin = 3\cm
>left-margin = 2\cm right-margin = 2.5\cm
>indent = 0 ragged-right = ##f
> }
>
> loremIpsum =
> \markup
>\override #'(baseline-skip . 2.5)
>\smaller \left-column {
>  \line { Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, }
>  \line { consectetur adipscing elit. }
>}
>
> \markup
>% Collapse dimensions so the \markup takes no space.
>\with-dimensions-from \null
>
>% Move the \markup further into the left margin.
>\translate #'(-1 . 0)
>
>% Adjust alignment of \markup to top-right corner.
>\general-align #X #RIGHT
>\general-align #Y #UP
>
>% The \markup itself.
>\rotate #90 \with-color #red \loremIpsum
>
> % NOTE:
> % The \fill-line { \null ... } pattern is useful for
> % aligning content to the right margin automatically.
>
> \markup \fill-line { \null
>% Collapse dimensions so the \markup takes no space.
>\with-dimensions-from \null
>
>% Move the \markup further into the right margin.
>\translate #'(1 . 0)
>
>% Adjust alignment of \markup to top-left corner.
>\general-align #X #LEFT
>\general-align #Y #UP
>
>% The \markup itself.
>\rotate #-90 \with-color #blue \loremIpsum
> }
>
> \new Staff \fixed c'' {
>c1^\markup \with-color #green \loremIpsum
> }
> 
>
> Given the above approach, there is no need to mess about with "absolute"
> measurements.  Staff space units are generally pretty nice to work with
> anyway.
>
>
> -- Aaron Hill

Re: Markup in left and right margins

[Aaron Hill]

On 2020-10-15 6:03 pm, Matthew Fong wrote:

Many thanks for the solution of translation. I'm toying around with it
right now, and had a question:
I am possible misunderstanding the solution, and using the abs-override
incorrectly. I cannot seem to place a comment string next to the stave.


The code I showed was purely to demonstrate that you *could* move things 
outside the margins.  But it was not prescriptive.  In practice, take a 
simpler route:



\version "2.20.0"

\paper {
  #(set-paper-size "a6landscape")
  top-margin = 1.5\cm bottom-margin = 3\cm
  left-margin = 2\cm right-margin = 2.5\cm
  indent = 0 ragged-right = ##f
}

loremIpsum =
\markup
  \override #'(baseline-skip . 2.5)
  \smaller \left-column {
\line { Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, }
\line { consectetur adipscing elit. }
  }

\markup
  % Collapse dimensions so the \markup takes no space.
  \with-dimensions-from \null

  % Move the \markup further into the left margin.
  \translate #'(-1 . 0)

  % Adjust alignment of \markup to top-right corner.
  \general-align #X #RIGHT
  \general-align #Y #UP

  % The \markup itself.
  \rotate #90 \with-color #red \loremIpsum

% NOTE:
% The \fill-line { \null ... } pattern is useful for
% aligning content to the right margin automatically.

\markup \fill-line { \null
  % Collapse dimensions so the \markup takes no space.
  \with-dimensions-from \null

  % Move the \markup further into the right margin.
  \translate #'(1 . 0)

  % Adjust alignment of \markup to top-left corner.
  \general-align #X #LEFT
  \general-align #Y #UP

  % The \markup itself.
  \rotate #-90 \with-color #blue \loremIpsum
}

\new Staff \fixed c'' {
  c1^\markup \with-color #green \loremIpsum
}


Given the above approach, there is no need to mess about with "absolute" 
measurements.  Staff space units are generally pretty nice to work with 
anyway.



-- Aaron Hill

Re: Markup in left and right margins

[Matthew Fong]

Hello Andrew,

Yes, in fact, I was considering rotating the content. There isn't much
room, but just enough to get a few words sideways.



Hello Aaron,

Many thanks for the solution of translation. I'm toying around with it
right now, and had a question:
I am possible misunderstanding the solution, and using the abs-override
incorrectly. I cannot seem to place a comment string next to the stave.
Here is my sample code.

\paper {

   paper-width = 8\cm

   paper-height = 6\cm

   top-margin = 1\cm

   bottom-margin = 1\cm

   left-margin = 1.5\cm

   right-margin = 2.5\cm

   tagline = ##f

}


\layout { indent = 0 ragged-right = ##t }


\new Staff \relative c' {

  c'1^"Comment"

}


\markup \overlay {

   \abs-translate #(cons (ly:cm -1.5) 0)

   \abs-override #(cons 'line-width (ly:cm 4))

   \with-color #'(0.8 0.3 0.2)

   \rotate #90 "This is a test"

}



Many thanks,
mattfong

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 3:23 AM Aaron Hill  wrote:

> On 2020-10-15 2:53 am, Andrew Bernard wrote:
> > Hi Matthew,
> >
> > A good question. But I would have thought that margins are exactly
> > that - margins. I don't think LilyPond was ever conceived to support
> > marginal annotations and complex print formatting. Wouldn't you have
> > to narrow your content in whatever way so as to create left or right
> > vertical space and simply add it there, so, inside the margins? But I
> > am sure all the TeX experts on the list will chime in.
>
> Nothing prevents you from \translating \markup outside the normal
> bounds.
>
> NOTE: The following code requires some helper functions in order to
> specify absolute dimensions in \markup.  A real-world usage probably
> should be querying the values directly from \paper to eliminate
> redundancy.
>
> 
> \version "2.20.0"
>
> #(define-markup-command
>(abs-override layout props arg rest)
>(pair? markup?)
>(let* ((sym (car arg))
>   (val (cdr arg))
>   (scl (ly:output-def-lookup layout 'output-scale)))
>  (interpret-markup layout props
>(markup #:override (cons sym (/ val scl)) rest
>
> #(define-markup-command
>(abs-translate layout props arg rest)
>(pair? markup?)
>(let* ((x (car arg))
>   (y (cdr arg))
>   (scl (ly:output-def-lookup layout 'output-scale)))
>  (interpret-markup layout props
>(markup #:translate (cons (/ x scl) (/ y scl)) rest
>
> \paper {
>paper-width = 8\cm
>paper-height = 5\cm
>top-margin = 1\cm
>bottom-margin = 1\cm
>left-margin = 1.5\cm
>right-margin = 2.5\cm
>tagline = ##f
> }
>
> visualizeBounds =
> #(define-scheme-function
>(text)
>(markup?)
>#{
>  \markup
>\override #'(thickness . 1.5)
>\fill-line {
>  \overlay {
>\lower #0.5 \draw-line #'(0 . 1)
>\arrow-head #X #LEFT ##f
>\draw-line #'(2 . 0)
>  }
>  #text
>  \overlay {
>\lower #0.5 \draw-line #'(0 . 1)
>\arrow-head #X #RIGHT ##f
>\draw-line #'(-2 . 0)
>  }
>}
>#})
>
> \markup \smaller \column {
>\fill-line { paper: \concat { 5cm \char ##xd7 8cm } }
>\fill-line { left-margin: 1.5cm }
>\fill-line { right-margin: 2.5cm }
>\vspace #0.5
> }
>
> \markup \overlay {
>\abs-translate #(cons (ly:cm -1.5) 0)
>\abs-override #(cons 'line-width (ly:cm 1.5))
>\with-color #'(0.8 0.3 0.2)
>\visualizeBounds left
>
>\with-color #'(0.2 0.8 0.4)
>\visualizeBounds normal
>
>\abs-translate #(cons (ly:cm 4) 0)
>\abs-override #(cons 'line-width (ly:cm 2.5))
>\with-color #'(0.2 0.5 0.8)
>\visualizeBounds right
> }
> 
>
>
> -- Aaron Hill

Re: Markup in left and right margins

[Aaron Hill]

On 2020-10-15 2:53 am, Andrew Bernard wrote:

Hi Matthew,

A good question. But I would have thought that margins are exactly
that - margins. I don't think LilyPond was ever conceived to support
marginal annotations and complex print formatting. Wouldn't you have
to narrow your content in whatever way so as to create left or right
vertical space and simply add it there, so, inside the margins? But I
am sure all the TeX experts on the list will chime in.


Nothing prevents you from \translating \markup outside the normal 
bounds.


NOTE: The following code requires some helper functions in order to 
specify absolute dimensions in \markup.  A real-world usage probably 
should be querying the values directly from \paper to eliminate 
redundancy.



\version "2.20.0"

#(define-markup-command
  (abs-override layout props arg rest)
  (pair? markup?)
  (let* ((sym (car arg))
 (val (cdr arg))
 (scl (ly:output-def-lookup layout 'output-scale)))
(interpret-markup layout props
  (markup #:override (cons sym (/ val scl)) rest

#(define-markup-command
  (abs-translate layout props arg rest)
  (pair? markup?)
  (let* ((x (car arg))
 (y (cdr arg))
 (scl (ly:output-def-lookup layout 'output-scale)))
(interpret-markup layout props
  (markup #:translate (cons (/ x scl) (/ y scl)) rest

\paper {
  paper-width = 8\cm
  paper-height = 5\cm
  top-margin = 1\cm
  bottom-margin = 1\cm
  left-margin = 1.5\cm
  right-margin = 2.5\cm
  tagline = ##f
}

visualizeBounds =
#(define-scheme-function
  (text)
  (markup?)
  #{
\markup
  \override #'(thickness . 1.5)
  \fill-line {
\overlay {
  \lower #0.5 \draw-line #'(0 . 1)
  \arrow-head #X #LEFT ##f
  \draw-line #'(2 . 0)
}
#text
\overlay {
  \lower #0.5 \draw-line #'(0 . 1)
  \arrow-head #X #RIGHT ##f
  \draw-line #'(-2 . 0)
}
  }
  #})

\markup \smaller \column {
  \fill-line { paper: \concat { 5cm \char ##xd7 8cm } }
  \fill-line { left-margin: 1.5cm }
  \fill-line { right-margin: 2.5cm }
  \vspace #0.5
}

\markup \overlay {
  \abs-translate #(cons (ly:cm -1.5) 0)
  \abs-override #(cons 'line-width (ly:cm 1.5))
  \with-color #'(0.8 0.3 0.2)
  \visualizeBounds left

  \with-color #'(0.2 0.8 0.4)
  \visualizeBounds normal

  \abs-translate #(cons (ly:cm 4) 0)
  \abs-override #(cons 'line-width (ly:cm 2.5))
  \with-color #'(0.2 0.5 0.8)
  \visualizeBounds right
}



-- Aaron Hill

Re: Markup in left and right margins

[Andrew Bernard]

Hi Matthew,

A good question. But I would have thought that margins are exactly that 
- margins. I don't think LilyPond was ever conceived to support marginal 
annotations and complex print formatting. Wouldn't you have to narrow 
your content in whatever way so as to create left or right vertical 
space and simply add it there, so, inside the margins? But I am sure all 
the TeX experts on the list will chime in.


Andrew


On 15/10/2020 3:22 am, Matthew Fong wrote:


For example, I might want to add notes in the margins, rather than in 
the music.

Markup in left and right margins

[Matthew Fong]

Hello everyone,

Would anyone know if there is a way to add mark-up in the left and right
margins of the page. There are footnotes and headers for the bottom and top
of the page, respectively.

For example, I might want to add notes in the margins, rather than in the
music.


Many thanks,
mattfong

Lilypond and LaTeX margins

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi,

Taking into account the hints I already gotten, I try to typeset songs
using multiple files and use \lilypondfile to include them into LaTeX
using scrartcl class (Koma).

Now I found out that the margins for the songs are different when
compiling with lilypond direct instead of included in the document by
lilypond-book.

I tried to get the same margins, as with the bigger margins in LaTeX,
the music gets split into two staff lines instead of one.

It seems that lilypond is adding its own margins to the LaTeX one.

Unfortunately, the documentation is not correct. Using line-width option
with no argument results in an compile error. And using
\lilypondfile[line-width=\linewidth]{...} does not work either. (I use
\begin{addmargin}{-0.7cm} to extend the margins.)

So, what is the correct way to include the lilypond file with proper
margins or with margins equal as lilypond uses itself? Is it possible to
use \lilypondfile with no added margins?

By the way, one of my sheets needs "indent = 14\mm" to fit the first
line in one line instead of two. I set this in the \layout section. I
don't know if that will be used for LaTeX include too.

Regards
   Klaus
- -- 
Klaus Ethgen   http://www.ethgen.ch/
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Re: different margins for even/odd pages

[Mason Hock]

It seems that my mistake was not including the '\' before 'mm'. Once I 
added that it worked as expected.


Thanks,

Mason

On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 5:52 PM, Kieren MacMillan 
 wrote:

Hi Mason,

 Actually could you clarify how the outer margin works in two-sided 
mode? I would expect

 two-sided = ##t
 inner-margin = 0mm
 outer-margin = 0mm
 binding-offset = 0mm


Did you actually try that code, exactly as written, and get no error?
With what version, exactly?

Regardless, this works as expected for me:

  SNIPPET BEGINS
\version "2.19.80"

\paper {
  two-sided = ##t
  inner-margin = 0\mm
  outer-margin = 0\mm
  binding-offset = 0\mm
}

\repeat unfold 120 c''4
  SNIPPET ENDS

Hope that helps,
Kieren.


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Re: different margins for even/odd pages

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Mason,

> Actually could you clarify how the outer margin works in two-sided mode? I 
> would expect
> two-sided = ##t
> inner-margin = 0mm
> outer-margin = 0mm
> binding-offset = 0mm

Did you actually try that code, exactly as written, and get no error?
With what version, exactly?

Regardless, this works as expected for me:

  SNIPPET BEGINS
\version "2.19.80"

\paper {
  two-sided = ##t
  inner-margin = 0\mm
  outer-margin = 0\mm
  binding-offset = 0\mm
}

\repeat unfold 120 c''4
  SNIPPET ENDS

Hope that helps,
Kieren.


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Re: different margins for even/odd pages

[Mason Hock]

Actually could you clarify how the outer margin works in two-sided 
mode? I would expect


two-sided = ##t
inner-margin = 0mm
outer-margin = 0mm
binding-offset = 0mm

to result in a margin of 0mm on both sides of both even and odd pages. 
The inner margin behaves predictably, but the outer margin is about an 
inch (I'd have to print and measure it to determine the exact value). 
Is there a way to explicitly control the size of the outer margin?


Thanks,

Mason

On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Mason Hock <masonh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Awesome. Thank you Kieren.

Mason

On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Kieren MacMillan 
<kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

Hi Mason,

 I need inner margins to be wider than outer margins to leave room 
for binding, so odd pages should have a wider margin on one side 
and even pages on the other. My workaround has been to render the 
document twice with the two different margin settings and mix/match 
pages. However, I would prefer to ability to define margins per 
page. Is this possible?


<http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/horizontal-spacing-paper-variables#paper-variables-for-two_002dsided-mode>

Cheers,
Kieren.


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Re: different margins for even/odd pages

[Mason Hock]

Awesome. Thank you Kieren.

Mason

On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Kieren MacMillan 
<kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

Hi Mason,

 I need inner margins to be wider than outer margins to leave room 
for binding, so odd pages should have a wider margin on one side and 
even pages on the other. My workaround has been to render the 
document twice with the two different margin settings and mix/match 
pages. However, I would prefer to ability to define margins per 
page. Is this possible?


<http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/horizontal-spacing-paper-variables#paper-variables-for-two_002dsided-mode>

Cheers,
Kieren.


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Re: different margins for even/odd pages

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Mason,

> I need inner margins to be wider than outer margins to leave room for 
> binding, so odd pages should have a wider margin on one side and even pages 
> on the other. My workaround has been to render the document twice with the 
> two different margin settings and mix/match pages. However, I would prefer to 
> ability to define margins per page. Is this possible?

<http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/horizontal-spacing-paper-variables#paper-variables-for-two_002dsided-mode>

Cheers,
Kieren.


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different margins for even/odd pages

[Mason Hock]

I need inner margins to be wider than outer margins to leave room for 
binding, so odd pages should have a wider margin on one side and even 
pages on the other. My workaround has been to render the document twice 
with the two different margin settings and mix/match pages. However, I 
would prefer to ability to define margins per page. Is this possible?


Thanks,

Mason
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different margins for headers/footers than systems/score

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hello all,

In the snippet below, I’m trying to have a “fancy header”, where the inside 
edge (barline) of the score is aligned with the inside edge of the header, but 
the outside edge (barline) of the score is aligned to a line in the header 
*outside of which the page number appears*. I’ve tried horizontal-shift, but 
that’s trial-and-error-y, and anyway appears not to observe two-sided mode.

Any thoughts on how I can accomplish what I want here?

Thanks,
Kieren.

%%%  SNIPPET BEGINS
\version "2.19.61"

\layout {
  \context {
\Score
\omit BarNumber
  }
}

\paper {
  paper-width = 8.5\in
  paper-height = 11\in
  two-sided = ##t
  inner-margin = 0.75\in
  outer-margin = 0.75\in
  indent = 0.5\in
  short-indent = 0\in

  oddHeaderMarkup = \markup \bold
\fill-line {
  Inside
  Centre
  \line {
Fancy Outside \hspace #1
\raise #2 \draw-line #'(0 . -3)
\hcenter-in #3 1
  }
}

  evenHeaderMarkup = \markup \bold
\fill-line {
  \line {
\hcenter-in #3 1
\raise #2 \draw-line #'(0 . -3)
\hspace #1 Fancy Outside
  }
  Centre
  Inside
}

  tagline = ##f
}

\repeat unfold 20 { c''1 \break }
%%%  SNIPPET ENDS


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About manually setting the margins for each page (Was: Re: Dorico release and tutorials)

[Gilles]

On Wed, 19 Oct 2016 11:01:21 -0400, Kieren MacMillan wrote:

Hi Gilles,


?
The initial post was about manually setting the margins for each 
page.


The discussion quickly replaced that original query with a two-option
approach. For whatever reason, it's clear that you don’t see how/when
that happened. I simply tried to point out that it has. Since my
attempt apparently isn't working, I’ll stop trying.


Thanks for the attempt; it would have been successful, had
you quoted, or referred to, the said query change, rather
than commenting on text that was not present on the post
to which I replied.

It would be less easy to get lost if posters would change
the subject line when they indeed change subject...

Regards,
Gilles



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Re: Evince/Adobe printing adds margins and scales down the score

[Wols Lists]

On 17/08/16 10:43, Urs Liska wrote:
> 
> 
> Am 17.08.2016 um 11:33 schrieb Federico Bruni:
>> Hi folks
>>
>> I've tried printing a score with Evince and I see that it adds margins
>> on left, right, top and bottom and scales down the score size to fit
>> it on the page (line-width=17,40 cm). Is it a known issue?
> 
> Does it really to this even when you disable rescaling in the print options?
> 
My experience with Adobe, was that if you did that, then Adobe would
shift your page down and right, so that the top left corner of your page
was the top left corner of its printable area.

I gave up - I just couldn't get it to reliably print an A4 image on an
A4 sheet of paper ... :-(

Cheers,
Wol


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Re: Evince/Adobe printing adds margins and scales down the score

[Federico Bruni]

Il giorno gio 18 ago 2016 alle 16:59, Johan Vromans 
 ha scritto:

On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 16:36:26 +0200
Federico Bruni  wrote:

 > Does it really to this even when you disable rescaling in the 
print

 > options?

 I'm now using a different printer from yesterday and no, it doesn't
 help if I disable rescaling.


Most likely evince prints through CUPS. Have you checked the
printer settings that CUPS uses?


Yes..  maybe I missed a configuration option (borderless).  If I launch:

 LANG=C gnome-control-center printers

I see two relevant options:

1. Shrink page if necessary to fit borders: I chose "Crop (preserve 
dimensions)".

2. Borderless: I chose "Yes".

But I don't have time now to test the printing.




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Re: Evince/Adobe printing adds margins and scales down the score

[Johan Vromans]

On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 16:36:26 +0200
Federico Bruni  wrote:

> > Does it really to this even when you disable rescaling in the print 
> > options?  
> 
> I'm now using a different printer from yesterday and no, it doesn't 
> help if I disable rescaling.

Most likely evince prints through CUPS. Have you checked the
printer settings that CUPS uses?

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Re: Evince/Adobe printing adds margins and scales down the score

[Federico Bruni]

Il giorno mer 17 ago 2016 alle 11:43, Urs Liska <u...@openlilylib.org> ha 
scritto:
 I've tried printing a score with Evince and I see that it adds 
margins

 on left, right, top and bottom and scales down the score size to fit
 it on the page (line-width=17,40 cm). Is it a known issue?


Does it really to this even when you disable rescaling in the print 
options?


I'm now using a different printer from yesterday and no, it doesn't 
help if I disable rescaling.






 lpr prints exactly what I see on the screen (line-width=19 cm).

 Adobe also adds some margins and scales down the score, slightly 
less

 than Evince (line-width=17,90 cm)

 If I give a score book to a printer, what should I expect? :-)


If you give it to a professional printer you should expect "correct"
results. Maybe tell them explicitly about your concerns?


Yes, I should work it out.

Thanks
Federico




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Re: Evince/Adobe printing adds margins and scales down the score

[Carl Sorensen]

On 8/17/16 3:33 AM, "Federico Bruni" <f...@inventati.org> wrote:

>Hi folks
>
>I've tried printing a score with Evince and I see that it adds margins
>on left, right, top and bottom and scales down the score size to fit it
>on the page (line-width=17,40 cm). Is it a known issue?
>
>lpr prints exactly what I see on the screen (line-width=19 cm).
>
>Adobe also adds some margins and scales down the score, slightly less
>than Evince (line-width=17,90 cm)


I had this problem and was tearing my hair out.  I solved it by defining a
custom paper size with no margins.  My printer had a margin built into the
existing paper size, and Adobe respected that.  When I defined a custom
paper with a margin of zero, everything came out just like I wanted it to.

I hope this will help you.

Thanks,

Carl


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Re: Evince/Adobe printing adds margins and scales down the score

[David Wright]

On Wed 17 Aug 2016 at 11:33:58 (+0200), Federico Bruni wrote:
> Hi folks
> 
> I've tried printing a score with Evince and I see that it adds
> margins on left, right, top and bottom and scales down the score
> size to fit it on the page (line-width=17,40 cm). Is it a known
> issue?
> 
> lpr prints exactly what I see on the screen (line-width=19 cm).
> 
> Adobe also adds some margins and scales down the score, slightly
> less than Evince (line-width=17,90 cm)

In my book, that's a good argument not to print directly from
applications but to a PDF queue instead, then print the PDF file
directly with something you can trust, ie lpr or lp.

I use a patched¹ copy of testpage.tex to calibrate the margins imposed
by the printer hardware (and its CUPS driver), and a bash function
that displays a nonce copy of any PDF file with a corresponding frame
superimposed on it, so I know in advance of printing what I'm going to
lose around the edges. My Margins-*.ily files take account of this.
This test function is essential if you're stuck with US paper sizes.

> If I give a score book to a printer, what should I expect? :-)

You should discuss how the printer wants your output (presumably
as PDF files) delivered to them. Their requirements and flexibilty
vary.

When I have A6 booklets printed with fairly small margins, I send
A4 pages which have pairs of A6 pages in collated order (1,20 19,2
etc) duplicated at the top and bottom of each A4 sheet so that the
gutter will be exactly the right size. The printers in Cirencester
like that to be done for them. I also send a crib with A6 pages in
the correct order, because my booklet's pages are unnumbered.

OTOH sending A5 booklet files to my Swindon printer in that form
would be a waste of time as the first thing they do is separate
each page and then size and place them themselves. The margins in
my file are irrelevant to them.

One thing you do need to remember to discuss is where any blank
pages appear (assuming you don't want to insert "this page
intentionally left blank"). There's a tendency for printers to
prefer leaving page 2 blank rather than the last page.

But there's always lots to discuss in terms of paper quality,
weight, brightness, colour etc anyway. Margin size is but a
small part.

¹the patch is from
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/139951/pdflatex-testpage-produces-wrong-margins-for-a4paper
and I'm not sure about being able to distribute a modified file.
However, I document the patch within the printed output, as attached.

Cheers,
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Re: Evince/Adobe printing adds margins and scales down the score

[Urs Liska]

Am 17.08.2016 um 11:33 schrieb Federico Bruni:
> Hi folks
>
> I've tried printing a score with Evince and I see that it adds margins
> on left, right, top and bottom and scales down the score size to fit
> it on the page (line-width=17,40 cm). Is it a known issue?

Does it really to this even when you disable rescaling in the print options?

>
> lpr prints exactly what I see on the screen (line-width=19 cm).
>
> Adobe also adds some margins and scales down the score, slightly less
> than Evince (line-width=17,90 cm)
>
> If I give a score book to a printer, what should I expect? :-)

If you give it to a professional printer you should expect "correct"
results. Maybe tell them explicitly about your concerns?

Best
Urs

>
> Thanks
> Federico
>
>
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[Federico Bruni]

Hi folks

I've tried printing a score with Evince and I see that it adds margins 
on left, right, top and bottom and scales down the score size to fit it 
on the page (line-width=17,40 cm). Is it a known issue?


lpr prints exactly what I see on the screen (line-width=19 cm).

Adobe also adds some margins and scales down the score, slightly less 
than Evince (line-width=17,90 cm)


If I give a score book to a printer, what should I expect? :-)

Thanks
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Re: print page numbers on margins

[Thomas Morley]

2016-02-09 19:00 GMT+01:00 Jonathan Scholbach <j.scholb...@posteo.de>:
> Dear all,
>
> I have margins on both sides of the page and would like to print the page
> numbers on the margin. How do I do that?
>
> My settings are
>
> \version "2.19.22"
>
> \paper {
>
> left-margin = 2\cm
>
> right-margin = 2\cm
>
> oddHeaderMarkup= \markup { \column { { \fromproperty
> #'page:page-number-string }}} %left aligned page numbers on odd pages
>
> evenHeaderMarkup = \markup { { \column { \fill-line {"" \fromproperty
> #'page:page-number-string %right aligned page numbers on even pages
>
> }
>
> \book {
>
> \score {
>
> \new Staff { R1*500 }
>
> }
>
> }
>
> I tried to play around with something like
>
> indent = 2\cm
>
> short-indent = 2\cm
>
> horizontal-shift = -1\cm
>
>
> but that's ugly, because it changes only the positioning of the systems, but
> not of, for example, the system-separators.  And there might be many other
> elements I would have to re-position if I did it that way. Is there a
> possibility the other way around - just changing the position of the
> HeaderMarkup?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jonathan


Is one of the suggestions in the following thread of any help?
http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/different-margins-for-footer-and-music-td185896.html

Cheers,
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[Jonathan Scholbach]

Dear all,

I have margins on both sides of the page and would like to print the
page numbers on the margin. How do I do that?

My settings are

\version "2.19.22"

\paper {

left-margin = 2\cm

right-margin = 2\cm

oddHeaderMarkup= \markup { \column { { \fromproperty
#'page:page-number-string }}} %left aligned page numbers on odd pages

evenHeaderMarkup = \markup { { \column { \fill-line {"" \fromproperty
#'page:page-number-string %right aligned page numbers on even pages

}

\book {

\score {

\new Staff { R1*500 }

}

}

I tried to play around with something like

indent = 2\cm

short-indent = 2\cm

horizontal-shift = -1\cm


but that's ugly, because it changes only the positioning of the systems,
but not of, for example, the system-separators.  And there might be many
other elements I would have to re-position if I did it that way. Is
there a possibility the other way around - just changing the position of
the HeaderMarkup?

Thanks!

Jonathan


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Re: different margins for footer and music

[Thomas Morley]

2016-01-14 21:00 GMT+01:00 Mike Solomon <m...@mikesolomon.org>:
> Hey all,
>
> Is it possible to have different margins for the footer and for the music in 
> LilyPond?  I’d like to place page numbers to the left and right of the 
> music’s margin but they seem to be flush with the music’s margin no matter 
> what markup hacking I try.
>
> Cheers,
> MS
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After an idea by Torsten Hämmerle
http://www.lilypondforum.de/index.php?topic=1393.msg7673#msg7673

\version "2.19.35"

#(set-default-paper-size "a6")

#(define page-number-offsets '(
  (even . (2 . 0))
  (odd . (-2 . 0))
  ))

#(define-markup-command (place-folio layout props folio) (markup?)
   (let* ((pageno (chain-assoc-get 'page:page-number props))
  (even-odd-page (if (even? pageno) 'even 'odd))
  (m (interpret-markup layout props folio))
  (x-ext (ly:stencil-extent m X))
  (y-ext (ly:stencil-extent m Y)))
   (interpret-markup layout props
 (markup
#:with-dimensions x-ext y-ext
#:line (#:translate (assoc-get even-odd-page page-number-offsets) folio)
   

\paper {
  indent = 0
  first-page-number = 1
  ragged-right = ##f
  oddHeaderMarkup =
\markup
  %\on-the-fly #not-first-page
  \fill-line { \place-folio \fromproperty #'page:page-number-string \null }
  evenHeaderMarkup =
\markup
  \fill-line { \null \place-folio \fromproperty #'page:page-number-string }
}

{ \repeat unfold 10 { s1 \pageBreak } }


HTH,
  Harm

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Re: different margins for footer and music

[Mike Solomon]

> On Jan 14, 2016, at 10:27 PM, Robin Bannister  wrote:
> 
> Mike Solomon wrote:
> 
>> I’d like to place page numbers to the left and right of the music’s margin
> 
> How about duping \fill-line?
> 
> evenHeaderMarkup = \markup \fill-line {
>  \with-dimensions #'(6 . 8) #'(0 . 0)
>  \fromproperty #'page:page-number-string
>  \fromproperty #'header:title
>  \with-dimensions #'(-8 . -6) #'(0 . 0)
>  \fromproperty #'page:page-number-string
> }
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Robin
> 

Works like a charm! Thanks!
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[Mike Solomon]

Hey all,

Is it possible to have different margins for the footer and for the music in 
LilyPond?  I’d like to place page numbers to the left and right of the music’s 
margin but they seem to be flush with the music’s margin no matter what markup 
hacking I try.

Cheers,
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Re: different margins for footer and music

[Robin Bannister]

Mike Solomon wrote:


I’d like to place page numbers to the left and right of the music’s margin


How about duping \fill-line?

evenHeaderMarkup = \markup \fill-line {
  \with-dimensions #'(6 . 8) #'(0 . 0)
  \fromproperty #'page:page-number-string
  \fromproperty #'header:title
  \with-dimensions #'(-8 . -6) #'(0 . 0)
  \fromproperty #'page:page-number-string
}


Cheers,
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Re: OT: Getting lyluatex to work [was: Re: Lilypond and LaTeX - margins]

[Br. Samuel Springuel]

Pressed send by accident before I was finished.

 On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:06 AM, Ralf Mattes r.mat...@mh-freiburg.de wrote:
 
 
 Am Sonntag, 26. Juli 2015 12:33 CEST, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de schrieb: 
 
 Not a TeXpert (any more),  but from my quick tests - nothing.
 I got the same error as you.  I fixed this bug by adding
 
 \usepackage{fontspec}
 
 before using the lyluatex package.
Not being in front of my computer at the moment I can't check this dependency, 
but the example document for lyluatex loads that package, so it might be 
required.  Obviously if it is, it should be loaded by the package itself. 

 Unfortunately, while the luatex compile now works, the output isn't what I'd 
 expect.
 My final pdf shows a box with the name of the tmp-file that lilypond created 
 ...
Sounds like a draft option floating around somewhere.  This is standard LaTeX 
behavior for graphics in draft mode. 

 Not enough itch to scratch for me but maybe someone will be able to ebug this.
 For now, I'd say this isn't  a production-ready alternative to lilypond book.
 
 Cheers, Ralf Mattes
I've used the package myself and know it works, though it isn't as feature rich 
as lilypond-book at the moment.

I won't be able to look at this in more detail until Wednesday, but have you 
tried compiling the sample document on the GitHub site (test.tex or 
test.en.tex)?

Br. Samuel, OSB
(R. Padraic Springuel)
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Re: OT: Getting lyluatex to work [was: Re: Lilypond and LaTeX - margins]

[Ralf Mattes]

 
Am Sonntag, 26. Juli 2015 12:33 CEST, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de schrieb: 
 
 Am 25.07.2015 um 18:12 schrieb Víctor:
  On a separate subject, I'd like to recommend you to use lyluatex
  https://github.com/jperon/lyluatex instead of Lilypond-book. I've
  found it to be a cleaner way to work as it is a LuaLaTeX package
  (developed by the Gregorio team!) and not an engine.
 
 I wanted to give this package a try and copied the two files
 lyluatex.sty and lyluatex.lua in my project folder
 (as described in
 https://github.com/jperon/lyluatex/blob/master/README.en.md)
 
 Now I get
 
 ! LuaTeX error ./lyluatex.lua:1: attempt to index global 'luatexbase' (a nil 
 value)
 stack traceback:
   ./lyluatex.lua:1: in main chunk
   [C]: in function 'dofile'
   [\directlua]:1: in main chunk.
 l.13 ...tlua{dofile(kpse.find_file(lyluatex.lua))}
 
 ?
 
 As an alternative, I made a directory in the texlive tree
 
 $ sudo mkdir /usr/local/texlive/2014/texmf-dist/tex/lualatex/lyluatex/
 
 and copied the files in there, followed by a
 
 $ sudo mktexlsr
 
 but the error message persists.
 
 Can someone of the TeXperts explain to me what I am (obviously) doing wrong 
 here?

Not a TeXpert (any more),  but from my quick tests - nothing.
I got the same error as you.  I fixed this bug by adding

\usepackage{fontspec}

before using the lyluatex package.
Unfortunately, while the luatex compile now works, the output isn't what I'd 
expect.
My final pdf shows a box with the name of the tmp-file that lilypond created ...
Not enough itch to scratch for me but maybe someone will be able to ebug this.
For now, I'd say this isn't  a production-ready alternative to lilypond book.

Cheers, Ralf Mattes

 Thanks,
 
 Marc
 
 
  Víctor.
 
 
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Re: OT: Getting lyluatex to work [was: Re: Lilypond and LaTeX - margins]

[Marc Hohl]

Am 27.07.2015 um 12:06 schrieb Ralf Mattes:


Am Sonntag, 26. Juli 2015 12:33 CEST, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de schrieb:


Am 25.07.2015 um 18:12 schrieb Víctor:

On a separate subject, I'd like to recommend you to use lyluatex
https://github.com/jperon/lyluatex instead of Lilypond-book. I've
found it to be a cleaner way to work as it is a LuaLaTeX package
(developed by the Gregorio team!) and not an engine.


I wanted to give this package a try and copied the two files
lyluatex.sty and lyluatex.lua in my project folder
(as described in
https://github.com/jperon/lyluatex/blob/master/README.en.md)

Now I get

! LuaTeX error ./lyluatex.lua:1: attempt to index global 'luatexbase' (a nil 
value)
stack traceback:
./lyluatex.lua:1: in main chunk
[C]: in function 'dofile'
[\directlua]:1: in main chunk.
l.13 ...tlua{dofile(kpse.find_file(lyluatex.lua))}

?

As an alternative, I made a directory in the texlive tree

$ sudo mkdir /usr/local/texlive/2014/texmf-dist/tex/lualatex/lyluatex/

and copied the files in there, followed by a

$ sudo mktexlsr

but the error message persists.

Can someone of the TeXperts explain to me what I am (obviously) doing wrong 
here?


Not a TeXpert (any more),  but from my quick tests - nothing.
I got the same error as you.  I fixed this bug by adding

\usepackage{fontspec}

before using the lyluatex package.


Thanks, that works for me too!


Unfortunately, while the luatex compile now works, the output isn't what I'd 
expect.
My final pdf shows a box with the name of the tmp-file that lilypond created ...
Not enough itch to scratch for me but maybe someone will be able to ebug this.
For now, I'd say this isn't  a production-ready alternative to lilypond book.


I compiled my 40+ project with the lyluatex package and I can see the 
scores, so for me, it works now as expected.


Cheers,

Marc


Cheers, Ralf Mattes


Thanks,

Marc



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Re: OT: Getting lyluatex to work [was: Re: Lilypond and LaTeX - margins]

[Marc Hohl]

Am 27.07.2015 um 06:42 schrieb Víctor:

Maybe you should write your question in the GitHub page, or in the
gregorio project mail list, where its developer will surely read it.


Thanks for your answer! I don't have a GitHub account and do not want to 
get one just for this question. The same holds for the gregorio mailing 
list. May you send me his mail address privately?



He
is quite a supportive person, and clearly the most qualified to help you.


That sounds promising!

Marc


Víctor.

El 26/07/15 a las 05:33, Marc Hohl escribió:

Am 25.07.2015 um 18:12 schrieb Víctor:

On a separate subject, I'd like to recommend you to use lyluatex
https://github.com/jperon/lyluatex instead of Lilypond-book. I've
found it to be a cleaner way to work as it is a LuaLaTeX package
(developed by the Gregorio team!) and not an engine.


I wanted to give this package a try and copied the two files
lyluatex.sty and lyluatex.lua in my project folder
(as described in
https://github.com/jperon/lyluatex/blob/master/README.en.md)

Now I get

! LuaTeX error ./lyluatex.lua:1: attempt to index global 'luatexbase'
(a nil value)
stack traceback:
./lyluatex.lua:1: in main chunk
[C]: in function 'dofile'
[\directlua]:1: in main chunk.
l.13 ...tlua{dofile(kpse.find_file(lyluatex.lua))}

?

As an alternative, I made a directory in the texlive tree

$ sudo mkdir /usr/local/texlive/2014/texmf-dist/tex/lualatex/lyluatex/

and copied the files in there, followed by a

$ sudo mktexlsr

but the error message persists.

Can someone of the TeXperts explain to me what I am (obviously) doing
wrong here?

Thanks,

Marc



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OT: Getting lyluatex to work [was: Re: Lilypond and LaTeX - margins]

[Marc Hohl]

Am 25.07.2015 um 18:12 schrieb Víctor:

On a separate subject, I'd like to recommend you to use lyluatex
https://github.com/jperon/lyluatex instead of Lilypond-book. I've
found it to be a cleaner way to work as it is a LuaLaTeX package
(developed by the Gregorio team!) and not an engine.


I wanted to give this package a try and copied the two files
lyluatex.sty and lyluatex.lua in my project folder
(as described in
https://github.com/jperon/lyluatex/blob/master/README.en.md)

Now I get

! LuaTeX error ./lyluatex.lua:1: attempt to index global 'luatexbase' (a 
nil value)

stack traceback:
./lyluatex.lua:1: in main chunk
[C]: in function 'dofile'
[\directlua]:1: in main chunk.
l.13 ...tlua{dofile(kpse.find_file(lyluatex.lua))}

?

As an alternative, I made a directory in the texlive tree

$ sudo mkdir /usr/local/texlive/2014/texmf-dist/tex/lualatex/lyluatex/

and copied the files in there, followed by a

$ sudo mktexlsr

but the error message persists.

Can someone of the TeXperts explain to me what I am (obviously) doing 
wrong here?


Thanks,

Marc



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Re: OT: Getting lyluatex to work [was: Re: Lilypond and LaTeX - margins]

[Víctor]

Maybe you should write your question in the GitHub page, or in the 
gregorio project mail list, where its developer will surely read it. He 
is quite a supportive person, and clearly the most qualified to help you.


Víctor.

El 26/07/15 a las 05:33, Marc Hohl escribió:

Am 25.07.2015 um 18:12 schrieb Víctor:

On a separate subject, I'd like to recommend you to use lyluatex
https://github.com/jperon/lyluatex instead of Lilypond-book. I've
found it to be a cleaner way to work as it is a LuaLaTeX package
(developed by the Gregorio team!) and not an engine.


I wanted to give this package a try and copied the two files
lyluatex.sty and lyluatex.lua in my project folder
(as described in
https://github.com/jperon/lyluatex/blob/master/README.en.md)

Now I get

! LuaTeX error ./lyluatex.lua:1: attempt to index global 'luatexbase' 
(a nil value)

stack traceback:
./lyluatex.lua:1: in main chunk
[C]: in function 'dofile'
[\directlua]:1: in main chunk.
l.13 ...tlua{dofile(kpse.find_file(lyluatex.lua))}

?

As an alternative, I made a directory in the texlive tree

$ sudo mkdir /usr/local/texlive/2014/texmf-dist/tex/lualatex/lyluatex/

and copied the files in there, followed by a

$ sudo mktexlsr

but the error message persists.

Can someone of the TeXperts explain to me what I am (obviously) doing 
wrong here?


Thanks,

Marc



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Re: Lilypond and LaTeX - margins

[David Kastrup]

Beda Szukics b...@kollegium-sarnen.ch writes:

 Am 25.07.2015 um 08:55 schrieb Marc Hohl:
 Am 25.07.2015 um 08:06 schrieb Beda Szukics:
 Hello all

 I try to print a songbook with gregorian and modern songs. For the
 gregorian part I use gregorio, for the modern songs I use lilypond.

 The main document is a (Lua)LaTeX-file that has text and scores in it.
 [...]

 lilypond-book --pdf Versuch.lytex tells me:
 
 You have to specify the latex engine if you want to use lualatex, the
 --pdf is not necessary (and causes errors in this case IIRC):
 
 lilypond-book --latex-program=lualatex Versuch.lytex

 I get:

 Programmierfehler: file name not normalized:
 C:\Users\Beda\Documents\Temporaeres\LilypondTest\snippet-names--1058529076.ly

 When I compile Versuch.tex I get:

 ! LaTeX Error: File `10/lily-071f91b4-1' not found.
 ! LaTeX Error: File `10/lily-071f91b4-2' not found.
 ! LaTeX Error: File `10/lily-071f91b4-3' not found.

 but they are there:

 dir 10:

 25.07.2015  09:34   201 162 lily-071f91b4-1.eps
 25.07.2015  09:34   205 191 lily-071f91b4-2.eps
 25.07.2015  09:34   205 314 lily-071f91b4-3.eps
 25.07.2015  09:34 1 lily-071f91b4-systems.count
 25.07.2015  09:34   338 lily-071f91b4-systems.tex
 25.07.2015  09:3492 lily-071f91b4-systems.texi
 25.07.2015  09:34   209 883 lily-071f91b4.eps
 25.07.2015  09:34 1 182 lily-071f91b4.ly
 25.07.2015  09:3414 lily-071f91b4.txt

 What's wrong now?

You'll probably still need the --pdf option.  Correct me if I'm wrong,
but lualatex does not go through DVI does it?

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Re: Lilypond and LaTeX - margins

[Beda Szukics]

Am 25.07.2015 um 09:55 schrieb David Kastrup:
 Beda Szukics b...@kollegium-sarnen.ch writes:
 
 Am 25.07.2015 um 08:55 schrieb Marc Hohl:
 Am 25.07.2015 um 08:06 schrieb Beda Szukics:
 Hello all

 I try to print a songbook with gregorian and modern songs. For the
 gregorian part I use gregorio, for the modern songs I use lilypond.

 The main document is a (Lua)LaTeX-file that has text and scores in it.
 [...]

 lilypond-book --pdf Versuch.lytex tells me:

 You have to specify the latex engine if you want to use lualatex, the
 --pdf is not necessary (and causes errors in this case IIRC):

 lilypond-book --latex-program=lualatex Versuch.lytex

 I get:

 Programmierfehler: file name not normalized:
 C:\Users\Beda\Documents\Temporaeres\LilypondTest\snippet-names--1058529076.ly

 When I compile Versuch.tex I get:

 ! LaTeX Error: File `10/lily-071f91b4-1' not found.
 ! LaTeX Error: File `10/lily-071f91b4-2' not found.
 ! LaTeX Error: File `10/lily-071f91b4-3' not found.

 but they are there:

 dir 10:

 25.07.2015  09:34   201 162 lily-071f91b4-1.eps
 25.07.2015  09:34   205 191 lily-071f91b4-2.eps
 25.07.2015  09:34   205 314 lily-071f91b4-3.eps
 25.07.2015  09:34 1 lily-071f91b4-systems.count
 25.07.2015  09:34   338 lily-071f91b4-systems.tex
 25.07.2015  09:3492 lily-071f91b4-systems.texi
 25.07.2015  09:34   209 883 lily-071f91b4.eps
 25.07.2015  09:34 1 182 lily-071f91b4.ly
 25.07.2015  09:3414 lily-071f91b4.txt

 What's wrong now?
 
 You'll probably still need the --pdf option.  Correct me if I'm wrong,
 but lualatex does not go through DVI does it?

No.

Thank you. That helped. If I use

lilypond-book --pdf --latex-program=lualatex Versuch.lytex

the margins are respected. I still have about 3 mm at the left margin.

(textwidth is 114 mm, the lines of the Tescht part are 110 mm)

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Re: Lilypond and LaTeX - margins

[David Kastrup]

Beda Szukics b...@kollegium-sarnen.ch writes:

 Thank you. That helped. If I use

 lilypond-book --pdf --latex-program=lualatex Versuch.lytex

 the margins are respected. I still have about 3 mm at the left margin.

 (textwidth is 114 mm, the lines of the Tescht part are 110 mm)

Maybe related to the indent and/or short-indent layout settings in the
LilyPond file?

-- 
David Kastrup

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Re: Lilypond and LaTeX - margins

[Urs Liska]

Am 25. Juli 2015 10:36:41 MESZ, schrieb David Kastrup d...@gnu.org:
Beda Szukics b...@kollegium-sarnen.ch writes:

 Thank you. That helped. If I use

 lilypond-book --pdf --latex-program=lualatex Versuch.lytex

 the margins are respected. I still have about 3 mm at the left
margin.

 (textwidth is 114 mm, the lines of the Tescht part are 110 mm)

Maybe related to the indent and/or short-indent layout settings in the
LilyPond file?

Or the width of the system bracket?

This is something that really annoys me: when inserting music systems in 
(LaTeX) text I would like the left barline to align with the text and have the 
bracket protrude into the margin. But so far I haven't found a solution short 
of manually measuring the actual width of the (potentially scaled) sample.  

Urs

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Re: Lilypond and LaTeX - margins

[Beda Szukics]

Am 25.07.2015 um 10:50 schrieb Urs Liska:
 Am 25. Juli 2015 10:36:41 MESZ, schrieb David Kastrup d...@gnu.org:
 Beda Szukics b...@kollegium-sarnen.ch writes:

 Thank you. That helped. If I use

 lilypond-book --pdf --latex-program=lualatex Versuch.lytex

 the margins are respected. I still have about 3 mm at the left
 margin.

 (textwidth is 114 mm, the lines of the Tescht part are 110 mm)

 Maybe related to the indent and/or short-indent layout settings in the
 LilyPond file?
 
 Or the width of the system bracket?
 
 This is something that really annoys me: when inserting music systems in 
 (LaTeX) text I would like the left barline to align with the text and have 
 the bracket protrude into the margin. But so far I haven't found a solution 
 short of manually measuring the actual width of the (potentially scaled) 
 sample.  

The 4 mm would suggest that it's something like that (the bar number on
line 2 is printed in this space.

But how reduce that?

I would like to have all my new songs the same way as the gregorian ones.

Beda



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Re: Lilypond and LaTeX - margins

[Beda Szukics]

Am 25.07.2015 um 08:55 schrieb Marc Hohl:
 Am 25.07.2015 um 08:06 schrieb Beda Szukics:
 Hello all

 I try to print a songbook with gregorian and modern songs. For the
 gregorian part I use gregorio, for the modern songs I use lilypond.

 The main document is a (Lua)LaTeX-file that has text and scores in it.
 [...]

 lilypond-book --pdf Versuch.lytex tells me:
 
 You have to specify the latex engine if you want to use lualatex, the
 --pdf is not necessary (and causes errors in this case IIRC):
 
 lilypond-book --latex-program=lualatex Versuch.lytex

I get:

Programmierfehler: file name not normalized:
C:\Users\Beda\Documents\Temporaeres\LilypondTest\snippet-names--1058529076.ly

When I compile Versuch.tex I get:

! LaTeX Error: File `10/lily-071f91b4-1' not found.
! LaTeX Error: File `10/lily-071f91b4-2' not found.
! LaTeX Error: File `10/lily-071f91b4-3' not found.

but they are there:

dir 10:

25.07.2015  09:34   201 162 lily-071f91b4-1.eps
25.07.2015  09:34   205 191 lily-071f91b4-2.eps
25.07.2015  09:34   205 314 lily-071f91b4-3.eps
25.07.2015  09:34 1 lily-071f91b4-systems.count
25.07.2015  09:34   338 lily-071f91b4-systems.tex
25.07.2015  09:3492 lily-071f91b4-systems.texi
25.07.2015  09:34   209 883 lily-071f91b4.eps
25.07.2015  09:34 1 182 lily-071f91b4.ly
25.07.2015  09:3414 lily-071f91b4.txt

What's wrong now?

Beda

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Re: Lilypond and LaTeX - margins

[Beda Szukics]

Am 25.07.2015 um 10:36 schrieb David Kastrup:
 Beda Szukics b...@kollegium-sarnen.ch writes:
 
 Thank you. That helped. If I use

 lilypond-book --pdf --latex-program=lualatex Versuch.lytex

 the margins are respected. I still have about 3 mm at the left margin.

 (textwidth is 114 mm, the lines of the Tescht part are 110 mm)
 
 Maybe related to the indent and/or short-indent layout settings in the
 LilyPond file?

Maybe

I'm not very far in learning lilypond. Where would I change these
settings in my minimal example:

===
\version 2.18.0
\header {
  title=Tescht
}
\relative c''{
   \key g\major \time 4/4
   g4 g g g | a a a a |
   g g g g | a a a a|
   g g g g | a a a a \bar |.
}
\addlyrics {
  La la la la lu lu lu lu
  le le le le li li li li
  lo lo lo lo lä lä lä lä
}
===

Beda


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Re: Lilypond and LaTeX - margins

[Beda Szukics]

Hi Victor

Am 25.07.2015 um 18:12 schrieb Víctor:
 On a separate subject, I'd like to recommend you to use lyluatex
 https://github.com/jperon/lyluatex instead of Lilypond-book. I've
 found it to be a cleaner way to work as it is a LuaLaTeX package
 (developed by the Gregorio team!) and not an engine.

Thank you. This is very useful.

Beda

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Lilypond and LaTeX - margins

[Beda Szukics]

Hello all

I try to print a songbook with gregorian and modern songs. For the
gregorian part I use gregorio, for the modern songs I use lilypond.

The main document is a (Lua)LaTeX-file that has text and scores in it.

My example (Versuch.lytex):


\documentclass[a5paper,pagesize,DIV=13,12pt]{scrbook}
\usepackage{fontspec}
\setmainfont{Cambria}
\usepackage[german]{babel}
\usepackage{gregoriotex} % for gregorio score inclusion

\begin{document}
\includescore{Gregorianum}

\lilypondfile{Tescht.ly}
\end{document}
===

with Gregorianum.gabc:

===
name:;
%%
(c3) La(h) la(i) la(h) %x10
la(i) la(h) la(i) la(h) la(i) la(h) la(i) la(h) la(i) la(h) la(i) la(h)
la(i) la(h) la(i) la(h) la(i) la(h)
===

and Tescht.ly:

===
\version 2.18.0
\header {
  title=Tescht
}
\relative c''{
   \key g\major \time 4/4
   g4 g g g | a a a a |
   g g g g | a a a a|
   g g g g | a a a a \bar |.
}
\addlyrics {
  La la la la lu lu lu lu
  le le le le li li li li
  lo lo lo lo lä lä lä lä
}
===

lilypond-book --pdf Versuch.lytex tells me:

lilypond-book.py: warning: Unable to auto-detect default settings:

lilypond-book.py: warning: cannot detect textwidth from LaTeX

and the song Tescht shows no respect for the margins :-(

So I used the package layouts.sty to determine the length of my
gregorian score lines and adapted Tescht.ly with

\paper{
line-width = 323.92374\pt
left-margin = 0\pt
}

That gave me lines of Tescht that were equal to the lines of Gregorianum
but the Tescht score is still printed about 3 mm to the left.

Why? What can I do to suppress the right margin, that lilypond is creating?

More general: Is there a way to tell the lilypond-part to adapt to the
measures of the LaTeX-file?

GreetingsBeda

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Re: Lilypond and LaTeX - margins

[Marc Hohl]

Am 25.07.2015 um 08:06 schrieb Beda Szukics:

Hello all

I try to print a songbook with gregorian and modern songs. For the
gregorian part I use gregorio, for the modern songs I use lilypond.

The main document is a (Lua)LaTeX-file that has text and scores in it.

[...]


lilypond-book --pdf Versuch.lytex tells me:


You have to specify the latex engine if you want to use lualatex, the
--pdf is not necessary (and causes errors in this case IIRC):

lilypond-book --latex-program=lualatex Versuch.lytex

HTH,

Marc


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Re: Lilypond and LaTeX - margins

[Víctor]

On a separate subject, I'd like to recommend you to use lyluatex 
https://github.com/jperon/lyluatex instead of Lilypond-book. I've 
found it to be a cleaner way to work as it is a LuaLaTeX package 
(developed by the Gregorio team!) and not an engine.


Víctor.
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Re: Lilypond and LaTeX - margins

[Marc Hohl]

Am 25.07.2015 um 18:12 schrieb Víctor:

On a separate subject, I'd like to recommend you to use lyluatex
https://github.com/jperon/lyluatex instead of Lilypond-book. I've
found it to be a cleaner way to work as it is a LuaLaTeX package
(developed by the Gregorio team!) and not an engine.


That's interesting indeed - thanks for sharing!

Marc


Víctor.


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Re: Lilypond and LaTeX - margins

[Marc Hohl]

Am 25.07.2015 um 09:55 schrieb David Kastrup:

Beda Szukics b...@kollegium-sarnen.ch writes:


Am 25.07.2015 um 08:55 schrieb Marc Hohl:

Am 25.07.2015 um 08:06 schrieb Beda Szukics:

Hello all

I try to print a songbook with gregorian and modern songs. For the
gregorian part I use gregorio, for the modern songs I use lilypond.

The main document is a (Lua)LaTeX-file that has text and scores in it.

[...]


lilypond-book --pdf Versuch.lytex tells me:


You have to specify the latex engine if you want to use lualatex, the
--pdf is not necessary (and causes errors in this case IIRC):

lilypond-book --latex-program=lualatex Versuch.lytex


I get:

Programmierfehler: file name not normalized:
C:\Users\Beda\Documents\Temporaeres\LilypondTest\snippet-names--1058529076.ly

When I compile Versuch.tex I get:

! LaTeX Error: File `10/lily-071f91b4-1' not found.
! LaTeX Error: File `10/lily-071f91b4-2' not found.
! LaTeX Error: File `10/lily-071f91b4-3' not found.

but they are there:

dir 10:

25.07.2015  09:34   201 162 lily-071f91b4-1.eps
25.07.2015  09:34   205 191 lily-071f91b4-2.eps
25.07.2015  09:34   205 314 lily-071f91b4-3.eps
25.07.2015  09:34 1 lily-071f91b4-systems.count
25.07.2015  09:34   338 lily-071f91b4-systems.tex
25.07.2015  09:3492 lily-071f91b4-systems.texi
25.07.2015  09:34   209 883 lily-071f91b4.eps
25.07.2015  09:34 1 182 lily-071f91b4.ly
25.07.2015  09:3414 lily-071f91b4.txt

What's wrong now?


You'll probably still need the --pdf option.  Correct me if I'm wrong,
but lualatex does not go through DVI does it?


Hmm, I call lilypond-book without --pdf and it works (with lualatex).

Marc





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Re: Lilypond and LaTeX - margins

[Beda Szukics]

Am 25.07.2015 um 14:25 schrieb Marc Hohl:
 Am 25.07.2015 um 09:55 schrieb David Kastrup:
 Beda Szukics b...@kollegium-sarnen.ch writes:

 When I compile Versuch.tex I get:

 ! LaTeX Error: File `10/lily-071f91b4-1' not found.
 ! LaTeX Error: File `10/lily-071f91b4-2' not found.
 ! LaTeX Error: File `10/lily-071f91b4-3' not found.

 but they are there:

 dir 10:

 25.07.2015  09:34   201 162 lily-071f91b4-1.eps
 25.07.2015  09:34   205 191 lily-071f91b4-2.eps
 25.07.2015  09:34   205 314 lily-071f91b4-3.eps
 25.07.2015  09:34 1 lily-071f91b4-systems.count
 25.07.2015  09:34   338 lily-071f91b4-systems.tex
 25.07.2015  09:3492 lily-071f91b4-systems.texi
 25.07.2015  09:34   209 883 lily-071f91b4.eps
 25.07.2015  09:34 1 182 lily-071f91b4.ly
 25.07.2015  09:3414 lily-071f91b4.txt

 What's wrong now?

 You'll probably still need the --pdf option.  Correct me if I'm wrong,
 but lualatex does not go through DVI does it?
 
 Hmm, I call lilypond-book without --pdf and it works (with lualatex).

Can you do lualatex Versuch without errors?

Because if I start lilypond-book without --pdf I get the error messages
telling me it doesn't find some of the files created by lilypond-book.

Beda


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Re: Lilypond and LaTeX - margins

[Marc Hohl]

Am 25.07.2015 um 14:36 schrieb Beda Szukics:

Am 25.07.2015 um 14:25 schrieb Marc Hohl:

Am 25.07.2015 um 09:55 schrieb David Kastrup:

Beda Szukics b...@kollegium-sarnen.ch writes:


When I compile Versuch.tex I get:

! LaTeX Error: File `10/lily-071f91b4-1' not found.
! LaTeX Error: File `10/lily-071f91b4-2' not found.
! LaTeX Error: File `10/lily-071f91b4-3' not found.

but they are there:

dir 10:

25.07.2015  09:34   201 162 lily-071f91b4-1.eps
25.07.2015  09:34   205 191 lily-071f91b4-2.eps
25.07.2015  09:34   205 314 lily-071f91b4-3.eps
25.07.2015  09:34 1 lily-071f91b4-systems.count
25.07.2015  09:34   338 lily-071f91b4-systems.tex
25.07.2015  09:3492 lily-071f91b4-systems.texi
25.07.2015  09:34   209 883 lily-071f91b4.eps
25.07.2015  09:34 1 182 lily-071f91b4.ly
25.07.2015  09:3414 lily-071f91b4.txt

What's wrong now?


You'll probably still need the --pdf option.  Correct me if I'm wrong,
but lualatex does not go through DVI does it?


Hmm, I call lilypond-book without --pdf and it works (with lualatex).


Can you do lualatex Versuch without errors?


Yep.

I had to remove the call for the Cambria font (which I don't have)
and the includes for gregoriotex and Gregorianum, though.

Afterwards, all worked fine for me.

$ lilypond-book --latex-program=lualatex Versuch.lytex

$ lualatex Versuch.tex

What you can do is call lualatex directly on the file Versuch.lytex.
If this breaks up on the line

! Undefined control sequence.
l.10 \lilypondfile
{Tescht.ly}
?

then everything before is ok, but if some latex errors occur (including
non-existent fonts etc.), lilypond-book complains about not being able
to auto-detect the line-width which does not tell you exactly what went
wrong ...

HTH,

Marc


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Re: Lilypond and LaTeX - margins

[Beda Szukics]

Am 25.07.2015 um 14:57 schrieb Marc Hohl:
 Am 25.07.2015 um 14:36 schrieb Beda Szukics:
 Am 25.07.2015 um 14:25 schrieb Marc Hohl:
 Am 25.07.2015 um 09:55 schrieb David Kastrup:
 Beda Szukics b...@kollegium-sarnen.ch writes:
 Hmm, I call lilypond-book without --pdf and it works (with lualatex).

 Can you do lualatex Versuch without errors?
 
 Yep.
 
 I had to remove the call for the Cambria font (which I don't have)
 and the includes for gregoriotex and Gregorianum, though.
 
 Afterwards, all worked fine for me.
 
 $ lilypond-book --latex-program=lualatex Versuch.lytex
 
 $ lualatex Versuch.tex
 
 What you can do is call lualatex directly on the file Versuch.lytex.
 If this breaks up on the line
 
 ! Undefined control sequence.
 l.10 \lilypondfile
 {Tescht.ly}
 ?
 
 then everything before is ok, but if some latex errors occur (including
 non-existent fonts etc.), lilypond-book complains about not being able
 to auto-detect the line-width which does not tell you exactly what went
 wrong ...

My Versuch.lytex is o.k. from the point of view reguarding TeX-Syntax.

The problem consists in the length of the score lines. They are a little
bit shorter than \textwidth of the surrounding Text and I don't find a
way to make them thoses 3/4 mm longer so they don't stand out so much.

Beda


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staff margins?

[N. Andrew Walsh]

Stupid question: I'm looking to specify the margins for the music staff, as
separate from the margins for the printable area. This is trivial for most
cases (the staff margin is set to zero, or depends on instrument names, for
two sides), but for the bottom and top margin I'd like to specify an
explicit distance between the printable area and the start of the staff
itself (such that space is left for text or annotations, etc.).

I can't seem to find a variable that controls that. Anybody mind briefly
pointing it out to me?

Cheers,

A
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Re: staff margins?

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Andrew,

 I can't seem to find a variable that controls that. Anybody mind briefly 
 pointing it out to me?

http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/flexible-vertical-spacing-paper-variables

Hope this helps!
Kieren.



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Re: Default margins in Letter truncated

[Phil Holmes]

- Original Message - 
From: MarcM m...@mouries.net

To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 5:38 AM
Subject: Default margins in Letter truncated




I am wondering if this is an expected behavior or something is wrong my
computer and/or printer (HP Officejet Pro).

My music is set with \paper {   #(set-paper-size letter)}

I print on a printer on which the default paper is letter

When i print with the default settings the margins are truncated and the
only half of the title of the piece is printed. To print correctly i have 
to

select the option to print the entire image which scale the page down to
91%. Is that normal?



I would guess your printer has a top margin that is larger than LilyPond 
sets by default, and larger than most printers.  Have you tried setting a 
larger top-margin?


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Re: Default margins in Letter truncated

[David Kastrup]

MarcM m...@mouries.net writes:

 I am wondering if this is an expected behavior or something is wrong my
 computer and/or printer (HP Officejet Pro).

 My music is set with \paper {   #(set-paper-size letter)}

 I print on a printer on which the default paper is letter

 When i print with the default settings the margins are truncated and the
 only half of the title of the piece is printed. To print correctly i have to
 select the option to print the entire image which scale the page down to
 91%. Is that normal?

Well, check your PDF file in a PDF viewer.  Most importantly, check the
paper format.  If it is indeed letter and properly positioned, the
problem is when going from PDF to your printer.

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Re: Default margins in Letter truncated

[Robin Bannister]

MarcM wrote:


I am wondering if this is an expected behavior or something is wrong my
computer and/or printer (HP Officejet Pro).
.
.
.
When i print with the default settings the margins are truncated and the
only half of the title of the piece is printed.


Does your printer maybe have an option called Borderless Printing?


Cheers,
Robin

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Re: Default margins in Letter truncated

[MarcM]

I just set annotate-spacing = ##t and it's showing a 2.85 millimeters.
That's pretty small. I don't remember being that small.
http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n164707/top-margin_Lilypond_2014-07-20_at_8.png
 

I added:  
  top-margin= 2\cm

and it's showing a margin of 11.38. Shouldn't it be 20 ?

http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n164707/top_margin_2cm.png 



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Re: Default margins in Letter truncated

[David Kastrup]

MarcM m...@mouries.net writes:

 I just set annotate-spacing = ##t and it's showing a 2.85 millimeters.
 That's pretty small. I don't remember being that small.
 http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n164707/top-margin_Lilypond_2014-07-20_at_8.png
  

 I added:  
   top-margin= 2\cm

 and it's showing a margin of 11.38. Shouldn't it be 20 ?

 http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n164707/top_margin_2cm.png 

Sure that the units are mm rather than staff spaces?

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Re: Default margins in Letter truncated

[Marc Mouries]

The doc says here:
http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/the-paper-block
says: Except when specified otherwise, all \paper variables that
correspond to distances on the page are measured in millimeters, unless a
different unit is specified by the user. For example, the following
declaration sets top-margin to ten millimeters:

\paper {
  top-margin = 10
}




On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 8:58 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote:

 MarcM m...@mouries.net writes:

  I just set annotate-spacing = ##t and it's showing a 2.85
 millimeters.
  That's pretty small. I don't remember being that small.
  
 http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n164707/top-margin_Lilypond_2014-07-20_at_8.png
 
 
  I added:
top-margin= 2\cm
 
  and it's showing a margin of 11.38. Shouldn't it be 20 ?
 
  http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n164707/top_margin_2cm.png

 Sure that the units are mm rather than staff spaces?

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Re: Default margins in Letter truncated

[MarcM]

The doc says here:
http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/the-paper-block
says: Except when specified otherwise, all \paper variables that correspond
to distances on the page are measured in millimeters, unless a different
unit is specified by the user. For example, the following declaration sets
top-margin to ten millimeters:
 \paper {
  top-margin = 10
}





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Re: Default margins in Letter truncated

[David Kastrup]

Marc Mouries m...@mouries.net writes:

 The doc says here:
 http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/the-paper-block
 says: Except when specified otherwise, all \paper variables that
 correspond to distances on the page are measured in millimeters, unless a
 different unit is specified by the user. For example, the following
 declaration sets top-margin to ten millimeters:

 \paper {
   top-margin = 10
 }

 


 On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 8:58 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote:

 MarcM m...@mouries.net writes:

  I just set annotate-spacing = ##t and it's showing a 2.85
 millimeters.
  That's pretty small. I don't remember being that small.
  
 http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n164707/top-margin_Lilypond_2014-07-20_at_8.png
 
 
  I added:
top-margin= 2\cm
 
  and it's showing a margin of 11.38. Shouldn't it be 20 ?
 
  http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n164707/top_margin_2cm.png

 Sure that the units are mm rather than staff spaces?

Sure that the _displayed_ units are mm rather than staff spaces?

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Default margins in Letter truncated

[MarcM]

I am wondering if this is an expected behavior or something is wrong my
computer and/or printer (HP Officejet Pro).

My music is set with \paper {   #(set-paper-size letter)}

I print on a printer on which the default paper is letter

When i print with the default settings the margins are truncated and the
only half of the title of the piece is printed. To print correctly i have to
select the option to print the entire image which scale the page down to
91%. Is that normal?








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alternating left/right margins

[Mark Mathias]

No doubt I've missed it, but I cannot find a place in the manuals helping
me to alternate left and right margin widths to accomodate inserting a
printed copy into a 3-hole punched notebook.
Thanks!
Mark
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Re: alternating left/right margins

[Fredrik Wallberg]

Hi Mathias,

maybe you're looking for this:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/notation/horizontal-spacing-_005cpaper-variables#_005cpaper-variables-for-two_002dsided-mode

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Re: updated margins-a4-letter.ly

[Paul Morris]

Graham Percival-2 wrote
 Here's a slightly updated version of my produce the same score on
 A4 and letter paper.  Should be easier to understand.
 
 Valentin, could you add a wishlist for LSR: snippets that don't
 produce any output.  I'd like to check a box and have LSR not even
 attempt to compile this snippet; I think it'll complain since it
 doesn't produce any pdf or png.  All stylesheets will need this
 extra option.
 
 No, I don't like the solution of adding a { c'4 } to the bottom
 of the page.

I recently was needing to solve this same A4 vs Letter paper problem. 
Searching the list archives I found this excellent solution already written
by Graham (thanks!).  I think it merits being added to the LSR or somewhere
where it can be more easily found and used.  

Maybe at this point including it in the LSR with a { c'4 } hack is better
than not including it at all?  I'd be glad to submit it.  (Or should we hold
out for an LSR option for snippets that have no visual output?)  

Cheers,
-Paul



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Re: page margins

[Trevor Daniels]

Janek Warchoł wrote Monday, January 13, 2014 7:13 AM


 2014/1/13 Noeck noeck.marb...@gmx.de:

 what is the reason that the default margins are so small?
 Could this be added to the issue tracker?
 
 Let's first have an agreed-upon proposal.

No, that's not the way it works.  The issue tracker should be used
to record problems and discussions about them, not final proposals.
So first create a tracker, or two if you wish, and use that to record
opinions as we work towards a proposal.  

Over to you, bug squad.

Trevor
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Re: page margins

[Janek Warchoł]

2014/1/13 Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk:

 Janek Warchoł wrote Monday, January 13, 2014 7:13 AM

 2014/1/13 Noeck noeck.marb...@gmx.de:

 what is the reason that the default margins are so small?
 Could this be added to the issue tracker?

 Let's first have an agreed-upon proposal.

 No, that's not the way it works.  The issue tracker should be used
 to record problems and discussions about them, not final proposals.
 So first create a tracker, or two if you wish, and use that to record
 opinions as we work towards a proposal.

Hmm. Ok, you're right indeed.  Sorry for confusion.
j

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Re: page margins

[Noeck]

Hi Kieren,

thanks for your reply. It’s nice to see that my aesthetic feeling is not
completely wrong.

 I’m hoping to submit a more attractive set of defaults for consideration, the 
 moment I get my current engraving project done.

That would be very much appreciated.

 (That being said, I’ve got a bunch of projects “in air traffic control”, so I 
 may not ever get around to it…)

Not sure if I understand that. You have a lot to do?

 I’ve already got lots of measurements, etc.
 The problem is getting them into a submittable form…

As a first step you could just post one or several \paper blocks that
you use. Then others could also bring it into a suitable form.

Trevor already mentioned the bug squad, I have no account to create an
issue in the tracker, but that would help to collect these comments and
propsals such that this doesn’t get lost until someone finds the time.

Best,
Joram

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Re: page margins

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Janek (et al.),

 I agree with left/right margins, but not top/bottom.  Top/bottom are
 more tricky because you *want* to allow the page to compress when
 there's really a lot of content; so the adjustment should be done
 using compressible top-markup-spacing and the like.

Agreed.

 I suggest the following way forward: let's discuss horizontal margins
 separately from vertical ones.  It should be a no-brainer to increase
 horizontal margins at least to 12 mm (although 15 seems indeed quite
 ok for me).  Depending on how long it would take Kieren to get to this
 (2 weeks or 2 months?)

Could be the latter…  =\

Let’s put it this way: a quick survey of various scores from the good houses” 
(Barenreiter, Henle, Peters, etc.) reveal a minimum [!!] side-margin-to-width 
ratio of 16mm:225mm = ~0.071, or 15.3mm proportionally on a U.S. letter page. 
So I think 15mm would be a fine place to start.

Cheers,
Kieren.
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Re: page margins

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Joram,

 Not sure if I understand that. You have a lot to do?

This month, I have to engrave a complete stage musical, arrange two one-hour 
stage shows, and compose an eight-minute piece for violin and harp.
And that’s not even my day job!  =)

 As a first step you could just post one or several \paper blocks that you use.

I’ll see what I can do.
Aside from my busy-ness, the main problem is that my \paper definitions are 
split up across many include files into a larger hierarchy.

Cheers,
Kieren.
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Re: page margins

[Janek Warchoł]

2014/1/13 Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca:

 This month, I have to engrave a complete stage musical, arrange two one-hour 
 stage shows, and compose an eight-minute piece for violin and harp.
 And that’s not even my day job!  =)

Ah, so you must be nocturnal!  I.e. you have night jobs, and sleep
during the day - no day job at all?

;-)

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Re: page margins

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Janek,

 Ah, so you must be nocturnal!  I.e. you have night jobs, and sleep during the 
 day - no day job at all?
 ;-)

Actually, I have a full day job, and then tackle all my music projects at night.
Sleep is, currently, optional at best.  =\

Cheers,
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Re: page margins

[Janek Warchoł]

2014/1/13 Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca:
 Hi Janek,

 Ah, so you must be nocturnal!  I.e. you have night jobs, and sleep during 
 the day - no day job at all?
 ;-)

 Actually, I have a full day job, and then tackle all my music projects at 
 night.
 Sleep is, currently, optional at best.  =\

OMG!
And i've been complaining about lack of time..
j

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Re: page margins

[Federico Bruni]

2014/1/13 Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk

  Let's first have an agreed-upon proposal.

 No, that's not the way it works.  The issue tracker should be used
 to record problems and discussions about them, not final proposals.
 So first create a tracker, or two if you wish, and use that to record
 opinions as we work towards a proposal.


I've added it to the tracker:
https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3808

I've tried to report the most important comments. Please follow up on issue
3808
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page margins

[Noeck]

Hi,

what is the reason that the default margins are so small?

They are (top/botton, left/right | inner/outer in mm):
5/6, 10/10 | 10/20

If I compare to printed scores, they are usually larger:
Edition Peters:  10/12, 17/17
Boosey  Hawkes: 11/24, 14/14

I understand the goal to save space for the music content.
But there are some drawbacks:

- most printers cannot print so close to the paper edge
  (especially top/bottom)
- this either cuts into the printed page content
- or requires to scale the content while printing
- it looks too squeezed (cf. the simple example below)
- it is non-standard compared to most publishers

In addition the top-markup-spacing is 0 which makes the title look very
squashed to the top. I would prefer something around 4 or 5 mm (or one
text line height).

I see that this has been discussed before in 2009:
http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/default-margins-tp44740p44741.html
with margin measurments for many publishers but without a visible
conclusion for Lilypond.
There is now (or some time ago) a Mutopia discussion whether larger
margins should be enforced or not:
https://github.com/chrissawer/The-Mutopia-Project/issues/141
but I think if LilyPond delivered printable default settings, this would
be the best solution.

I have no reference book on this at hand, but my proposal is:
10/15 15/15 | 10/20
and a top-markup-spacing basic-distance of about 4\mm.

Could this be added to the issue tracker?

Cheers,
Joram



% show the header placement
\version 2.18.0

\header {
  title = A Default Title
  composer = The Composer
  opus = Op. 1
  piece = Part 1
}

\paper {
  % top-markup-spacing.basic-distance = 3
}

{ a1 \break a }


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Re: page margins

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Joram,

 what is the reason that the default margins are so small?

I would rather say, what is the reason that almost all the defaults (margins, 
staff size, headers/titles, etc.) are so unattractive?  ;)

I’m hoping to submit a more attractive set of defaults for consideration, the 
moment I get my current engraving project done.
(That being said, I’ve got a bunch of projects “in air traffic control”, so I 
may not ever get around to it…)

Cheers,
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Re: page margins

[Shane Brandes]

I agree with Kieren. Page margins are oddly narrow and that maybe due
to modern habits or the paper shortages during the wars. But it should
definitely be something that is examined more closely. If people are
interested I could take some measurements of scores to find out if
there is useful pattern more than a rule of thumb as it were.

Shane

On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Kieren MacMillan
kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca wrote:
 Hi Joram,

 what is the reason that the default margins are so small?

 I would rather say, what is the reason that almost all the defaults (margins, 
 staff size, headers/titles, etc.) are so unattractive?  ;)

 I’m hoping to submit a more attractive set of defaults for consideration, the 
 moment I get my current engraving project done.
 (That being said, I’ve got a bunch of projects “in air traffic control”, so I 
 may not ever get around to it…)

 Cheers,
 Kieren.
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Re: page margins

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Shane,

 I could take some measurements of scores to find out if
 there is useful pattern more than a rule of thumb as it were.

I’ve already got lots of measurements, etc.
The problem is getting them into a submittable form…

Cheers,
Kieren.

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