Re: Overall (global) resizing difficulties

2013-09-10 Thread Phil Holmes 
Could you attach the problematic code, please?

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Joshua Nichols 
  To: Mailinglist lilypond-user 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:49 AM
  Subject: Overall (global) resizing difficulties


  Has anyone encountered overall resizing issues when using:


\layout {
#(layout-set-staff-size 15)
  }I have tried to use this to scale back several more involved scores 
(SATB+Organ accompaniment), but if I go any less that '16' for the staff size, 
my notes, time signatures, words, and clefs stop shrinking.


  This isn't so much a problem with snippets; I recreated it with simple 
things, and they didn't come out with the same problem.


  See attached for a visual.




  IC,

  Josh


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Re: Overall (global) resizing difficulties

2013-09-10 Thread Carl Peterson 
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.comwrote:

 Thanks Carl! Should the myStaffSize be inside a #() or unspecified?


It is outside a Scheme context, so:

\paper {
 myStaffSize = #22
}
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Re: Overall (global) resizing difficulties

2013-09-10 Thread Eluze 
well - I think it's described somewhere inta manual. here's a little 
function to facilitate the change of those 3 values:


staffSize = #(define-music-function (parser location new-size) (number?)
#{
  \set fontSize = #new-size
  \override StaffSymbol #'staff-space = #(magstep new-size)
  \override StaffSymbol #'thickness = #(magstep new-size)
#})
music = \relative c' { c d e f g a b c }
\new Staff \with {\staffSize #-16 } \music
\score {
  \new Staff \with {\staffSize #16 }   \music
}

hth
Eluze


Am 10.09.2013 18:35, schrieb Patrick or Cynthia Karl:

Message: 1
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 15:41:49 +0100
From: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net
To: Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com,Mailinglist
lilypond-user lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Overall (global) resizing difficulties
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Could you attach the problematic code, please?

I think this is an old and very strange problem, which is illustrated by the 
following code

\version 2.16.2
music = \relative c' { c d e f g a b c }
  
\score {

\new Staff {\music}
\layout {#(layout-set-staff-size 80)}
}

\score {
\new Staff {\music }
\layout {#(layout-set-staff-size 5)}
}

It's difficult to see why anyone thinks that this (mis)function should even be 
in LilyPond.  The strangeness is only exacerbated by the fact that it's 
documented at the end of section 4.2.2 (Setting the Staff Size) in the 2.16 
Notation Reference:

Known issues and warnings

layout-set-staff-size does not change the distance between the staff lines.


Maybe the documentation should address how the staff size can be changed 
without changing the distance between the staff lines.


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  - Original Message -
  From: Joshua Nichols
  To: Mailinglist lilypond-user
  Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:49 AM
  Subject: Overall (global) resizing difficulties


  Has anyone encountered overall resizing issues when using:


\layout {
#(layout-set-staff-size 15)
  }I have tried to use this to scale back several more involved scores 
(SATB+Organ accompaniment), but if I go any less that '16' for the staff size, 
my notes, time signatures, words, and clefs stop shrinking.


  This isn't so much a problem with snippets; I recreated it with simple 
things, and they didn't come out with the same problem.


  See attached for a visual.




  IC,

  Josh






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Re: Overall (global) resizing difficulties

2013-09-10 Thread Joshua Nichols 
Thanks Carl! Should the myStaffSize be inside a #() or unspecified?

IC,

Josh


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.comwrote:

 Replying to group since I forgot to the first time...
 On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Carl Peterson 
 carlopeter...@gmail.comwrote:

 I use #(set-global-staff-size __) at the top oc the document and
 myStaffSize = #__ in the paper block. Usually I have to play with the two
 to find the right combination of staff size and symbol size. Not sure if
 it's strictly necessary to do both, but since I define custom fonts for my
 documents, I seem to remember both being required for that.


 On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Joshua Nichols 
 josh.d.nich...@gmail.com wrote:

 Unfortunately, I've tried to find where it stops doing this, but I
 cannot provide a small snippet. I'm not sure where it happens... I am happy
 to forward the attached .ly file for you to fiddle with.

 I'm sorry I can't specify a tiny example. I've tried and am getting a
 little frustrated (maybe fresh eyes would help).

 IC,

 Josh


 On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.netwrote:

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 Could you attach the problematic code, please?

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 - Original Message -
 *From:* Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com
 *To:* Mailinglist lilypond-user lilypond-user@gnu.org
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:49 AM
 *Subject:* Overall (global) resizing difficulties

  Has anyone encountered overall resizing issues when using:

 \layout {
 #(layout-set-staff-size 15)
   }

 I have tried to use this to scale back several more involved scores
 (SATB+Organ accompaniment), but if I go any less that '16' for the staff
 size, my notes, time signatures, words, and clefs stop shrinking.

 This isn't so much a problem with snippets; I recreated it with simple
 things, and they didn't come out with the same problem.

 See attached for a visual.


  IC,

 Josh

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Re: Overall (global) resizing difficulties

2013-09-10 Thread David Kastrup 
Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com writes:

 Unfortunately, I've tried to find where it stops doing this, but I cannot
 provide a small snippet. I'm not sure where it happens... I am happy to
 forward the attached .ly file for you to fiddle with.

 I'm sorry I can't specify a tiny example. I've tried and am getting a
 little frustrated (maybe fresh eyes would help).

 \paper {
   #(set-paper-size Hymn)
   page-count = #1
   #(layout-set-staff-size 12)
   #(define fonts
  (make-pango-font-tree Book Antiqua
Nimbus Sans
Luxi Mono
(/ 20 20)))
 }

Cough, cough.  You explicitly require your fonts to be suitable for 20
points here.  Either remove the font definition, or at least use a scale
factor of 12/20 instead of 20/20.

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Re: Overall (global) resizing difficulties

2013-09-10 Thread Joshua Nichols 
Unfortunately, I've tried to find where it stops doing this, but I cannot
provide a small snippet. I'm not sure where it happens... I am happy to
forward the attached .ly file for you to fiddle with.

I'm sorry I can't specify a tiny example. I've tried and am getting a
little frustrated (maybe fresh eyes would help).

IC,

Josh


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote:

 **
 Could you attach the problematic code, please?

 --
 Phil Holmes



 - Original Message -
 *From:* Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com
 *To:* Mailinglist lilypond-user lilypond-user@gnu.org
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:49 AM
 *Subject:* Overall (global) resizing difficulties

  Has anyone encountered overall resizing issues when using:

 \layout {
 #(layout-set-staff-size 15)
   }

 I have tried to use this to scale back several more involved scores
 (SATB+Organ accompaniment), but if I go any less that '16' for the staff
 size, my notes, time signatures, words, and clefs stop shrinking.

 This isn't so much a problem with snippets; I recreated it with simple
 things, and they didn't come out with the same problem.

 See attached for a visual.


  IC,

 Josh

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Re: Overall (global) resizing difficulties

2013-09-10 Thread Carl Peterson 
See David Kastrup's answer. You have to change the one in the font tree as
well.


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.comwrote:

 I am getting no response with this method. Things are still odd...
 HOWEVER! When I changed to the default Text Font (eliminating the modified
 font tree), I got a normal response... So perhaps it is a bug? Or am I
 missing something?

 IC,

 Josh


 On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Carl Peterson 
 carlopeter...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Thanks Carl! Should the myStaffSize be inside a #() or unspecified?


 It is outside a Scheme context, so:

 \paper {
  myStaffSize = #22
 }



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Re: Overall (global) resizing difficulties

2013-09-10 Thread Carl Peterson 
Replying to group since I forgot to the first time...
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.comwrote:

 I use #(set-global-staff-size __) at the top oc the document and
 myStaffSize = #__ in the paper block. Usually I have to play with the two
 to find the right combination of staff size and symbol size. Not sure if
 it's strictly necessary to do both, but since I define custom fonts for my
 documents, I seem to remember both being required for that.


 On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Unfortunately, I've tried to find where it stops doing this, but I cannot
 provide a small snippet. I'm not sure where it happens... I am happy to
 forward the attached .ly file for you to fiddle with.

 I'm sorry I can't specify a tiny example. I've tried and am getting a
 little frustrated (maybe fresh eyes would help).

 IC,

 Josh


 On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote:

 **
 Could you attach the problematic code, please?

 --
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 - Original Message -
 *From:* Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com
 *To:* Mailinglist lilypond-user lilypond-user@gnu.org
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:49 AM
 *Subject:* Overall (global) resizing difficulties

  Has anyone encountered overall resizing issues when using:

 \layout {
 #(layout-set-staff-size 15)
   }

 I have tried to use this to scale back several more involved scores
 (SATB+Organ accompaniment), but if I go any less that '16' for the staff
 size, my notes, time signatures, words, and clefs stop shrinking.

 This isn't so much a problem with snippets; I recreated it with simple
 things, and they didn't come out with the same problem.

 See attached for a visual.


  IC,

 Josh

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Re: Overall (global) resizing difficulties

2013-09-10 Thread Patrick or Cynthia Karl 

 Message: 1
 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 18:56:09 +0200
 From: Eluze elu...@gmail.com
 To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
 Subject: Re: Overall (global) resizing difficulties
 Message-ID: 522f4f29.9010...@gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; Format=flowed
 
 well - I think it's described somewhere inta manual. here's a little 
 function to facilitate the change of those 3 values:

What does it refer to here?  
 
 staffSize = #(define-music-function (parser location new-size) (number?)
 #{
   \set fontSize = #new-size
   \override StaffSymbol #'staff-space = #(magstep new-size)
   \override StaffSymbol #'thickness = #(magstep new-size)
 #})
 music = \relative c' { c d e f g a b c }
 \new Staff \with {\staffSize #-16 } \music
 \score {
   \new Staff \with {\staffSize #16 }   \music
 }

I am afraid I don't understand the function of the staffSize function.  The 
following snippet produces four identical, to my eyes, outputs:

   B e g i n S n i p p e t   
\version 2.16.2

music = \relative c' { c d e f g a b c }

\new Staff \music 

\score {
\new Staff \music 
}


staffSize = #(define-music-function (parser location new-size) (number?)
#{
  \set fontSize = #new-size
  \override StaffSymbol #'staff-space = #(magstep new-size)
  \override StaffSymbol #'thickness = #(magstep new-size)
#})


\new Staff \with {\staffSize #-16 } \music

\score {
  \new Staff \with {\staffSize #16 }   \music
}
  E n d S n i p p e t   

What would a new-size value of -16 mean?

Does anyone not agree with me that layout-set-staff-size is nonsensical and 
nonworking?  And that the documentation should document exactly what it does?  
and how the staff size can be changed without changing the distance between 
staff lines?  (I feel like I'm in a Kafka novel here.)


 
 hth
 Eluze
 
 
 Am 10.09.2013 18:35, schrieb Patrick or Cynthia Karl:
 Message: 1
 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 15:41:49 +0100
 From: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net
 To: Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com,Mailinglist
 lilypond-user lilypond-user@gnu.org
 Subject: Re: Overall (global) resizing difficulties
 Message-ID: 5BFCF5FF54814E1EA940594E7D0D45D1@Advent
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
 
 Could you attach the problematic code, please?
 I think this is an old and very strange problem, which is illustrated by the 
 following code
 
 \version 2.16.2
 music = \relative c' { c d e f g a b c }
 
 \score {
  \new Staff {\music}
  \layout {#(layout-set-staff-size 80)}
 }
 
 \score {
  \new Staff {\music }
  \layout {#(layout-set-staff-size 5)}
 }
 
 It's difficult to see why anyone thinks that this (mis)function should even 
 be in LilyPond.  The strangeness is only exacerbated by the fact that it's 
 documented at the end of section 4.2.2 (Setting the Staff Size) in the 2.16 
 Notation Reference:
 
 Known issues and warnings
 
 layout-set-staff-size does not change the distance between the staff lines.
 
 
 Maybe the documentation should address how the staff size can be changed 
 without changing the distance between the staff lines.
 
 --
 Phil Holmes
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Joshua Nichols
  To: Mailinglist lilypond-user
  Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:49 AM
  Subject: Overall (global) resizing difficulties
 
 
  Has anyone encountered overall resizing issues when using:
 
 
 \layout {
#(layout-set-staff-size 15)
  }I have tried to use this to scale back several more involved scores 
 (SATB+Organ accompaniment), but if I go any less that '16' for the staff 
 size, my notes, time signatures, words, and clefs stop shrinking.
 
 
  This isn't so much a problem with snippets; I recreated it with simple 
 things, and they didn't come out with the same problem.
 
 
  See attached for a visual.
 
 
 
 
  IC,
 
  Josh
 
 
 
 
 
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 Joshua Nichols josh.d.nich...@gmail.com writes:
 
 Unfortunately, I've tried to find where it stops doing this, but I cannot
 provide a small snippet. I'm not sure where it happens... I am happy to
 forward the attached .ly file for you to fiddle with.
 
 I'm sorry I can't specify a tiny example. I've tried and am getting a
 little frustrated (maybe fresh eyes would help).
 
 \paper {
  #(set-paper-size Hymn)
  page-count = #1
  #(layout-set-staff-size 12)
  #(define fonts
 (make-pango-font-tree Book Antiqua
   Nimbus Sans
   Luxi Mono

Re: Overall (global) resizing difficulties

2013-09-10 Thread Joshua Nichols 
I am getting no response with this method. Things are still odd... HOWEVER!
When I changed to the default Text Font (eliminating the modified font
tree), I got a normal response... So perhaps it is a bug? Or am I missing
something?

IC,

Josh


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Joshua Nichols 
 josh.d.nich...@gmail.comwrote:

 Thanks Carl! Should the myStaffSize be inside a #() or unspecified?


 It is outside a Scheme context, so:

 \paper {
  myStaffSize = #22
 }

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Re: Overall (global) resizing difficulties

2013-09-10 Thread Thomas Morley 
2013/9/11 Patrick or Cynthia Karl pck...@mac.com:

 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 18:56:09 +0200
 From: Eluze elu...@gmail.com
 To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
 Subject: Re: Overall (global) resizing difficulties

 well - I think it's described somewhere inta manual. here's a little
 function to facilitate the change of those 3 values:

 What does it refer to here?

 staffSize = #(define-music-function (parser location new-size) (number?)
 #{
   \set fontSize = #new-size
   \override StaffSymbol #'staff-space = #(magstep new-size)
   \override StaffSymbol #'thickness = #(magstep new-size)
 #})
 music = \relative c' { c d e f g a b c }
 \new Staff \with {\staffSize #-16 } \music
 \score {
   \new Staff \with {\staffSize #16 }   \music
 }

 I am afraid I don't understand the function of the staffSize function.  The 
 following snippet produces four identical, to my eyes, outputs:

    B e g i n S n i p p e t   
 \version 2.16.2

 music = \relative c' { c d e f g a b c }

 \new Staff \music

 \score {
 \new Staff \music
 }


 staffSize = #(define-music-function (parser location new-size) (number?)
 #{
   \set fontSize = #new-size
   \override StaffSymbol #'staff-space = #(magstep new-size)
   \override StaffSymbol #'thickness = #(magstep new-size)
 #})


 \new Staff \with {\staffSize #-16 } \music

 \score {
   \new Staff \with {\staffSize #16 }   \music
 }
   E n d S n i p p e t   

Eluze's example works --- with 2.17.25

For 2.16.2 you could use:

\version 2.16.2

music = \relative c' { c d e f }

staffSize = #(define-scheme-function (parser location new-size) (number?)
#{
  \with {
fontSize = #new-size
\override StaffSymbol #'staff-space = #(magstep new-size)
\override StaffSymbol #'thickness = #(magstep new-size)
  }
#})


\new Staff \with { \staffSize #-16 } \music

\new Staff \with { \staffSize #16 }   \music

 What would a new-size value of -16 mean?

Well, what does \fontsize #16 (#-16) do in \markup? Making it larger (smaller).
Here fontSize, 'staff-space and 'thickness of the lines are modified.
I feel I don't get the point of the question.


 Does anyone not agree with me that layout-set-staff-size is nonsensical and 
 nonworking?  And that the documentation should document exactly what it does? 
  and how the staff size can be changed without changing the distance 
 between staff lines?  (I feel like I'm in a Kafka novel here.)

There were some discussions about layout-set-staff-size some time/years ago.
Can't find it right now.



 hth
 Eluze

[deleting billions of lines]

Cheers,
  Harm

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Re: Overall (global) resizing difficulties

2013-09-10 Thread Trevor Daniels 

Patrick or Cynthia Karl wrote Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:11 PM

 Does anyone not agree with me that layout-set-staff-size is nonsensical and 
 nonworking?  And that the documentation should document exactly what it does? 
  and how the staff size can be changed without changing the distance 
 between staff lines?  (I feel like I'm in a Kafka novel here.)

I've not been following this thread, but I think layout-set-staff-size is not 
useful here.
(I can't see what it does either.)

Have you looked at 
http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.17/Documentation/notation/distances-and-measurements
This explains how to change the staff-size locally, and how magstep is invoked 
to
make a corresponding change to the font.

Trevor
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Re: Overall (global) resizing difficulties

2013-09-10 Thread James Harkins 
Patrick or Cynthia Karl pckarl at mac.com writes:

  Message: 1
  Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 18:56:09 +0200
  From: Eluze eluzew at gmail.com
  To: lilypond-user at gnu.org
  Subject: Re: Overall (global) resizing difficulties
  Message-ID: 522F4F29.9010607 at gmail.com
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; Format=flowed
  
  well - I think it's described somewhere inta manual. here's a little 
  function to facilitate the change of those 3 values:

... snip...

  
  Message: 2
  Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 19:00:34 +0200

Well, I don't have an answer to the question, but... a reminder... it is VERY 
uncool to quote an *entire digest* when you're replying to only one message.

Bad workflow:

1. Reply
2. Write
3. Send

Good workflow:

1. Reply
2. Write
3. Remove irrelevant quotes
4. Send

IMO step 3 is not optional.

hjh


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