Re: Question for all LilyPond users (especially power users)
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Noeck noeck.marb...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Urs, it seems like I missed something. How did you create those scores? ... What is the Cadence font? Joram, I can answer for Urs. ... The Cadence font was the first result of that effort. Hi Abraham, thanks! Now I know what I was missing. That's very interesting. I would like to give some feedback which is clearly very subjective and perhaps your work continued such that some characteristics are obsolete. Anyway, here it is: I understand the reasoning with the rounded outlines, but I think not all shortcomings of the traditional technique need to be copied. I like the treble clef (the roundings are ok, but more for the straighter downward line). For the bass clef I am not sure which on I like more. The inner roundings of accents looks a bit like overdoing to me. The same for the dash of the forte f. I would say a balanced mixture of rounded and sharp corners is a valid choice, too. The arpeggio looks smoother. Concerning the accidentals, I am undecided. It looks a bit more 'natural' like traditional notation, but also a bit less perfect... This is most visible for the sharp. I prefer the Feta versions of the natural and flat signs. The former because it is narrower and the latter because it has a more consistent line width. That's perhaps an issue with the font-switching, but the noteheads of the Candence font are larger than the staff space and thus visible below and above staff lines and overlaps with the stems. All in all a smaller rounding radius might me a better compromise in my opinion. The treble clef is the biggest improvement in my eyes. As you said you can't please everybody. I enjoy your work and I am looking forward to the font switching feature. Cheers, Joram ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user Joram, Thank you for your thoughts and comments. I can't say that any design choice I made was the right one. The main thing that motivated my decisions was that I wanted a classic printed look on modern printing technology. With laser printers, things can look so crisp, which is very useful, but not quite the look I was going for. Am I the only one who likes this look? Maybe. When I show a printed piece that was engraved using Cadence to musicians, I have had overwhelmingly positive feedback about how good it looks relative to classically engraved scores, compared to other computer engraved scores. LilyPond is surely partly to blame for this :), but they like how it doesn't look like it was done on a computer. Anyhow, it is what it is. I have made some design changes since that topic thread, but going beyond Cadence, I also wanted to make other fonts available to LilyPond users because I have had so much fun with them. When I do so, I hope you will too! Regards, Abraham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Question for all LilyPond users (especially power users)
Hi Urs, it seems like I missed something. How did you create those scores? ... What is the Cadence font? Joram, I can answer for Urs. ... The Cadence font was the first result of that effort. Hi Abraham, thanks! Now I know what I was missing. That's very interesting. I would like to give some feedback which is clearly very subjective and perhaps your work continued such that some characteristics are obsolete. Anyway, here it is: I understand the reasoning with the rounded outlines, but I think not all shortcomings of the traditional technique need to be copied. I like the treble clef (the roundings are ok, but more for the straighter downward line). For the bass clef I am not sure which on I like more. The inner roundings of accents looks a bit like overdoing to me. The same for the dash of the forte f. I would say a balanced mixture of rounded and sharp corners is a valid choice, too. The arpeggio looks smoother. Concerning the accidentals, I am undecided. It looks a bit more 'natural' like traditional notation, but also a bit less perfect... This is most visible for the sharp. I prefer the Feta versions of the natural and flat signs. The former because it is narrower and the latter because it has a more consistent line width. That's perhaps an issue with the font-switching, but the noteheads of the Candence font are larger than the staff space and thus visible below and above staff lines and overlaps with the stems. All in all a smaller rounding radius might me a better compromise in my opinion. The treble clef is the biggest improvement in my eyes. As you said you can't please everybody. I enjoy your work and I am looking forward to the font switching feature. Cheers, Joram ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Question for all LilyPond users (especially power users)
2014-07-11 4:50 GMT+02:00 tisimst tisi...@gmail.com: Schneidy wrote I did that, but I let it unfinished for a couple of weeks now... see = http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/LilyJAZZ-in-v2-18-td162423.html#a162444 Pierre Yes! Thank you, Pierre, for your good work! I had fun making some updates to it. I think there are enough people interested in the Jazzy hand-written font that we should get this incorporated better. Since it is only available in binary font formats, is openlilylib the best place to put it? The only thing is, if we want to make the use of LilyJAZZ easier, it really needs the patched file that I mentioned in the initial post. Putting binary files in openlilylib may not be the best possible option (btw, how big they are and how muhc they are expected to change?) but it would be way better than the current situation (i.e. with the LilyJazz stuff scattered all over the mailing list, which is a sure way to hinder its acceptance and make our lives difficult). I don't have time to handle this issue myself, but i'll wholeheartedly welcome anyone doing something about it. cheers, Janek ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Question for all LilyPond users (especially power users)
Am 11.07.2014 08:20, schrieb Janek Warchoł: 2014-07-11 4:50 GMT+02:00 tisimst tisi...@gmail.com: Schneidy wrote I did that, but I let it unfinished for a couple of weeks now... see = http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/LilyJAZZ-in-v2-18-td162423.html#a162444 Pierre Yes! Thank you, Pierre, for your good work! I had fun making some updates to it. I think there are enough people interested in the Jazzy hand-written font that we should get this incorporated better. Since it is only available in binary font formats, is openlilylib the best place to put it? The only thing is, if we want to make the use of LilyJAZZ easier, it really needs the patched file that I mentioned in the initial post. Putting binary files in openlilylib may not be the best possible option (btw, how big they are and how muhc they are expected to change?) but it would be way better than the current situation (i.e. with the LilyJazz stuff scattered all over the mailing list, which is a sure way to hinder its acceptance and make our lives difficult). I would also say the actual openlilylib/openlilylib repository might not be ideal, but I think we could open a dedicated repository like openlilylib/alternative-fonts. I think the cleanest way with the least hassles (and maybe discussion) would be to integrate into LilyPond the _possibility_ to switch fonts (e.g. Abraham's functions) and provide the fonts independently. While it would be of course the nicest thing to have them all readily available that seems like a reasonable burden for the user. Actually, if you want to change fonts in other programs it's also the natural way that you have to get and install them separately. I don't have time to handle this issue myself, but i'll wholeheartedly welcome anyone doing something about it. I don't really have time either but I can take care of stuff that is related to the openlilylib organization. Urs cheers, Janek ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Question for all LilyPond users (especially power users)
Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: I think the cleanest way with the least hassles (and maybe discussion) would be to integrate into LilyPond the _possibility_ to switch fonts (e.g. Abraham's functions) and provide the fonts independently. I think the salient point is to provide the infrastructure where you can install a font by dropping a number of files in directories, and then have a standard way of accessing them. The drop a number of files in directories part can ultimately be done by using GUILEv2 functionality for downloading content via HTTP. As long as that is not in place, just unarchiving a font tar or zip file in the right place would work, possibly helped with some scripts based on wget or similar. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Question for all LilyPond users (especially power users)
Am 11.07.2014 09:10, schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: I think the cleanest way with the least hassles (and maybe discussion) would be to integrate into LilyPond the _possibility_ to switch fonts (e.g. Abraham's functions) and provide the fonts independently. I think the salient point is to provide the infrastructure where you can install a font by dropping a number of files in directories, and then have a standard way of accessing them. The drop a number of files in directories part can ultimately be done by using GUILEv2 functionality for downloading content via HTTP. As long as that is not in place, just unarchiving a font tar or zip file in the right place would work, possibly helped with some scripts based on wget or similar. I'm not really sure what you mean. Does that mean you suggest incorporating that in the LilyPond installer? ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Question for all LilyPond users (especially power users)
Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: Am 11.07.2014 09:10, schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: I think the cleanest way with the least hassles (and maybe discussion) would be to integrate into LilyPond the _possibility_ to switch fonts (e.g. Abraham's functions) and provide the fonts independently. I think the salient point is to provide the infrastructure where you can install a font by dropping a number of files in directories, and then have a standard way of accessing them. The drop a number of files in directories part can ultimately be done by using GUILEv2 functionality for downloading content via HTTP. As long as that is not in place, just unarchiving a font tar or zip file in the right place would work, possibly helped with some scripts based on wget or similar. I'm not really sure what you mean. Does that mean you suggest incorporating that in the LilyPond installer? No. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [SPAM] Re: Question for all LilyPond users (especially power users)
Am 11.07.2014 09:20, schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: Am 11.07.2014 09:10, schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: I think the cleanest way with the least hassles (and maybe discussion) would be to integrate into LilyPond the _possibility_ to switch fonts (e.g. Abraham's functions) and provide the fonts independently. I think the salient point is to provide the infrastructure where you can install a font by dropping a number of files in directories, and then have a standard way of accessing them. The drop a number of files in directories part can ultimately be done by using GUILEv2 functionality for downloading content via HTTP. As long as that is not in place, just unarchiving a font tar or zip file in the right place would work, possibly helped with some scripts based on wget or similar. I'm not really sure what you mean. Does that mean you suggest incorporating that in the LilyPond installer? No. I would have wondered... But what are you implying then? ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [SPAM] Re: Question for all LilyPond users (especially power users)
Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: Am 11.07.2014 09:20, schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: Am 11.07.2014 09:10, schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: I think the cleanest way with the least hassles (and maybe discussion) would be to integrate into LilyPond the _possibility_ to switch fonts (e.g. Abraham's functions) and provide the fonts independently. I think the salient point is to provide the infrastructure where you can install a font by dropping a number of files in directories, and then have a standard way of accessing them. The drop a number of files in directories part can ultimately be done by using GUILEv2 functionality for downloading content via HTTP. As long as that is not in place, just unarchiving a font tar or zip file in the right place would work, possibly helped with some scripts based on wget or similar. I'm not really sure what you mean. Does that mean you suggest incorporating that in the LilyPond installer? No. I would have wondered... But what are you implying then? I am not implying anything beyond what I wrote. If you don't understand some particular sentence I wrote, please point out what problem you have interpreting it. I don't see a point in rewriting my entire posting in different ways until the problem magically goes away. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Question for all LilyPond users (especially power users)
Am 11.07.2014 09:29, schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: Am 11.07.2014 09:20, schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: Am 11.07.2014 09:10, schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: I think the cleanest way with the least hassles (and maybe discussion) would be to integrate into LilyPond the _possibility_ to switch fonts (e.g. Abraham's functions) and provide the fonts independently. I think the salient point is to provide the infrastructure where you can install a font by dropping a number of files in directories, and then have a standard way of accessing them. The drop a number of files in directories part can ultimately be done by using GUILEv2 functionality for downloading content via HTTP. As long as that is not in place, just unarchiving a font tar or zip file in the right place would work, possibly helped with some scripts based on wget or similar. I'm not really sure what you mean. Does that mean you suggest incorporating that in the LilyPond installer? No. I would have wondered... But what are you implying then? I am not implying anything beyond what I wrote. If you don't understand some particular sentence I wrote, please point out what problem you have interpreting it. I don't see a point in rewriting my entire posting in different ways until the problem magically goes away. You make clear what would be necessary to provide a convenient way to get and install additional fonts to be used by LilyPond (provided Abraham's function has been integrated to LilyPond). What I don't get is what your opinion is about to what extent this should actually be integrated into LilyPond's downloads/installation routines. I see several options (without claiming to have a complete list): - let LilyPond try to download and install fonts on LilyPond installation - provide a script in LilyPond's download that can do that on request - add information on usage and installation of alternate fonts to LilyPond's documentation - add information of usage and a reference to a to-be-decided location where additional fonts can be got from. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Question for all LilyPond users (especially power users)
Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: Am 11.07.2014 09:29, schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: Am 11.07.2014 09:20, schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: Am 11.07.2014 09:10, schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: I think the cleanest way with the least hassles (and maybe discussion) would be to integrate into LilyPond the _possibility_ to switch fonts (e.g. Abraham's functions) and provide the fonts independently. I think the salient point is to provide the infrastructure where you can install a font by dropping a number of files in directories, and then have a standard way of accessing them. The drop a number of files in directories part can ultimately be done by using GUILEv2 functionality for downloading content via HTTP. As long as that is not in place, just unarchiving a font tar or zip file in the right place would work, possibly helped with some scripts based on wget or similar. I'm not really sure what you mean. Does that mean you suggest incorporating that in the LilyPond installer? No. I would have wondered... But what are you implying then? I am not implying anything beyond what I wrote. If you don't understand some particular sentence I wrote, please point out what problem you have interpreting it. I don't see a point in rewriting my entire posting in different ways until the problem magically goes away. You make clear what would be necessary to provide a convenient way to get and install additional fonts to be used by LilyPond (provided Abraham's function has been integrated to LilyPond). Not at all. A convenient way is a matter of user interface, but the underlying mechanism can be arbitrarily complex. But I was not talking about user interfaces. I _was_ rather talking about the design of the underlying mechanism which should be so simple that putting a user interface on it (even if that means leaving this to installing packages for a distribution) is not requiring anything beyond creating said user interface and/or packaging. What I don't get is what your opinion is about to what extent this should actually be integrated into LilyPond's downloads/installation routines. I did not express such an opinion. Once font installation consists only of dropping files in a directory hierarchy, it is pretty much arbitrary how one does it. I pointed out that GUILEv2 would make it reasonably easy to make some sort of automated process for it, to the degree where fonts (or other resources) can conceivably be fetched and installed on-demand during a LilyPond run. But that does not mean that such an interface is necessary. The salient point is to create a situation where one can just drop fonts as files into LilyPond's file hierarchy (the installed one and/or a user-specific one) and have them accessible. The mechanism with which those files are dropped can be later improved or augmented from the basic unpack an archive manually. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Question for all LilyPond users (especially power users)
Hi Urs, it seems like I missed something. How did you create those scores? Using Abrahams proposed tools? Are they public? Or did you do that with your own magic? I would also be interested to test these features. I have clear preferences when I look at the fonts you compared here. It is also interesting how tiny differences in some glyphs affect the overall impression. What is the Cadence font? Cheers, Joram ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Question for all LilyPond users (especially power users)
Noeck wrote Hi Urs, it seems like I missed something. How did you create those scores? Using Abrahams proposed tools? Are they public? Or did you do that with your own magic? I would also be interested to test these features. I have clear preferences when I look at the fonts you compared here. It is also interesting how tiny differences in some glyphs affect the overall impression. What is the Cadence font? Cheers, Joram Joram, I can answer for Urs. I started another topic to the Dev list a few months ago asking for some help with customizing the default music font http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Question-about-customizing-emmentaler-font-td161702.html . Towards the end of that series of messages, I passed some of my files to Urs because he wanted to test them out for himself. That's how the Haydn score with the different fonts came to be. The Cadence font was the first result of that effort. I felt like some features were not quite right with Emmentaler, so I made some adjustments in FontForge, did a bunch of research to figure out everything that goes into a compatible font, then got that working. I then had a hayday with getting other music fonts to work (LilyJAZZ, Profondo, etc.). At that point, I realized that there is no way that a single music font will please EVERYBODY, so making more available would be a good thing! As a result of this whole process, developing a font creation/build process, making custom fonts doesn't take me that much effort (i.e., if someone wants to compile the glyphs they like using FontForge and send them to me, I'd happily create a LilyPond compatible font for them :) I'm not sure if all the hyperlinks to files still work in the above thread (sorry, you'll have to go through quite a few messages to find them), but anyone is welcome to try them out! On the other hand, some of the fonts have matured a bit since then (like making SVG versions, adding glyphs, adjusting positions, etc.), so it may be preferable to wait for the time being until we get a solid set of files to distribute just to make sure the frustration is kept to a minimum and the enjoyment is maximized! Regards, Abraham -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Question-for-all-LilyPond-users-especially-power-users-tp164178p164343.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Question for all LilyPond users (especially power users)
Am 09.07.2014 07:43, schrieb tisimst: Greetings, All! I have worked out a very nice way to switch between notation fonts in LilyPond, both on a global document level and a local usage level. Up until now, there were only a couple of music fonts available that were really usable on a professional level: /Emmentaler/ (the default, built-in font) and /Gonville/. There are also /LilyJAZZ/ and /Bravura/ (a SMuFL-compliant font), but they require some serious hacks to make them work and they have trouble with even some basic notation elements (like tempo markings, arpeggios, etc.). I am pleased to announce that I have several new music fonts, both in OTF and SVG formats, that I'd like people to be able to use, but this requires a patch to a single file, so anyone wanting to patch the file can do it with little effort. It makes using other fonts as easy as putting a single \include statement at the top of a .ly file. I use them all the time, but I really want to share with the community that has shared so much with me. *My question is this: /Is anyone interested in this?/* Of course, count me in! Marc ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Question for all LilyPond users (especially power users)
2014-07-09 22:40 GMT+02:00 tisimst tisi...@gmail.com: Recently, a user (I forget the name...) made some updates to the LilyJAZZ ensemble by introducing a font specifically designed for chords, which includes both lower and uppercase letters and shortcuts to the sharp, flat, etc. symbols. I did that, but I let it unfinished for a couple of weeks now... see = http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/LilyJAZZ-in-v2-18-td162423.html#a162444 Pierre ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Question for all LilyPond users (especially power users)
I had answered this but it seems my mobile had trashed the message ... As we've been discussing earlier I still think this a tremenduous achievement. I don't know whether this reflects the latest state but I very much enjoyed engraving a score with five different fonts. See https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49478835/lilypond-fonts/lilypond-fonts-haydn-cadenza.tar.gz (this is a non-permanent link and may be removed any time). If you haven't gone other ways in the meantime I still think that openlilylib would be a suitable place for that, particularly after the current reorganization has completed. Incorporating into LilyPond itself will impose a number of issues, e.g. how to distribute the fonts? They aren't produced from sources and can't easily be built together with LilyPond. Best Urs Am 09.07.2014 13:56, schrieb SoundsFromSound: tisimst wrote Greetings, All! I have worked out a very nice way to switch between notation fonts in LilyPond, both on a global document level and a local usage level. Up until now, there were only a couple of music fonts available that were really usable on a professional level: / Emmentaler / (the default, built-in font) and / Gonville / . There are also / LilyJAZZ / and / Bravura / (a SMuFL-compliant font), but they require some serious hacks to make them work and they have trouble with even some basic notation elements (like tempo markings, arpeggios, etc.). I am pleased to announce that I have several new music fonts, both in OTF and SVG formats, that I'd like people to be able to use, but this requires a patch to a single file, so anyone wanting to patch the file can do it with little effort. It makes using other fonts as easy as putting a single \include statement at the top of a .ly file. I use them all the time, but I really want to share with the community that has shared so much with me. * My question is this: / Is anyone interested in this? /* I know that the notation font is a small part of the way a score looks, but I think we can all recall a time when a score just didn't look that good and it was because of the notation elements, not just the score layout. And, just so you know, I have LilyJAZZ (including all the latest and greatest efforts for chords and a bunch of missing articulations, characters, etc.) and Bravura (my version is called / Profondo / , for OFL licensing reasons) working perfectly as alternate music fonts. In addition, these all provide access to all the ancient notation glyphs as well, so nothing is lost (except for Gonville, which I haven't taken the time to update at all). I eagerly await your responses! Happily Engraving, Abraham I'm certainly interested in hearing more about this! - composer | sound designer LilyPond Tutorials (for beginners) -- http://bit.ly/bcl-lilypond -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Question-for-all-LilyPond-users-especially-power-users-tp164178p164183.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Question for all LilyPond users (especially power users)
Hi all, I still think this a tremenduous achievement. +1 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49478835/lilypond-fonts/lilypond-fonts-haydn-cadenza.tar.gz Amazing! Each font has its compelling points, doesn’t it? In any case, *choice* is a great thing. Thanks [to all], Kieren. ___ Kieren MacMillan, composer www: http://www.kierenmacmillan.info email: i...@kierenmacmillan.info ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Question for all LilyPond users (especially power users)
We'd already started to discuss this, and I'd be happy to continue on that track (for all: it was awesome to engrave a score with five different fonts). If you haven't worked in a different direction in the meantime I'd still say that openlilylib is the suitable place for that. Even more after the current reorganization has been completed. Best Urs On 9. Juli 2014 13:56:48 MESZ, SoundsFromSound soundsfromso...@gmail.com wrote: tisimst wrote Greetings, All! I have worked out a very nice way to switch between notation fonts in LilyPond, both on a global document level and a local usage level. Up until now, there were only a couple of music fonts available that were really usable on a professional level: / Emmentaler / (the default, built-in font) and / Gonville / . There are also / LilyJAZZ / and / Bravura / (a SMuFL-compliant font), but they require some serious hacks to make them work and they have trouble with even some basic notation elements (like tempo markings, arpeggios, etc.). I am pleased to announce that I have several new music fonts, both in OTF and SVG formats, that I'd like people to be able to use, but this requires a patch to a single file, so anyone wanting to patch the file can do it with little effort. It makes using other fonts as easy as putting a single \include statement at the top of a .ly file. I use them all the time, but I really want to share with the community that has shared so much with me. * My question is this: / Is anyone interested in this? /* I know that the notation font is a small part of the way a score looks, but I think we can all recall a time when a score just didn't look that good and it was because of the notation elements, not just the score layout. And, just so you know, I have LilyJAZZ (including all the latest and greatest efforts for chords and a bunch of missing articulations, characters, etc.) and Bravura (my version is called / Profondo / , for OFL licensing reasons) working perfectly as alternate music fonts. In addition, these all provide access to all the ancient notation glyphs as well, so nothing is lost (except for Gonville, which I haven't taken the time to update at all). I eagerly await your responses! Happily Engraving, Abraham I'm certainly interested in hearing more about this! - composer | sound designer LilyPond Tutorials (for beginners) -- http://bit.ly/bcl-lilypond -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Question-for-all-LilyPond-users-especially-power-users-tp164178p164183.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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Schneidy wrote I did that, but I let it unfinished for a couple of weeks now... see = http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/LilyJAZZ-in-v2-18-td162423.html#a162444 Pierre Yes! Thank you, Pierre, for your good work! I had fun making some updates to it. I think there are enough people interested in the Jazzy hand-written font that we should get this incorporated better. Since it is only available in binary font formats, is openlilylib the best place to put it? The only thing is, if we want to make the use of LilyJAZZ easier, it really needs the patched file that I mentioned in the initial post. That allows LilyPond to put all the LilyJAZZ glyphs (or any other music font) into use without a lot of manual labor with the potential of things getting missed and not looking right. -Abraham -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Question-for-all-LilyPond-users-especially-power-users-tp164178p164302.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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Greetings, All! I have worked out a very nice way to switch between notation fonts in LilyPond, both on a global document level and a local usage level. Up until now, there were only a couple of music fonts available that were really usable on a professional level: /Emmentaler/ (the default, built-in font) and /Gonville/. There are also /LilyJAZZ/ and /Bravura/ (a SMuFL-compliant font), but they require some serious hacks to make them work and they have trouble with even some basic notation elements (like tempo markings, arpeggios, etc.). I am pleased to announce that I have several new music fonts, both in OTF and SVG formats, that I'd like people to be able to use, but this requires a patch to a single file, so anyone wanting to patch the file can do it with little effort. It makes using other fonts as easy as putting a single \include statement at the top of a .ly file. I use them all the time, but I really want to share with the community that has shared so much with me. *My question is this: /Is anyone interested in this?/* I know that the notation font is a small part of the way a score looks, but I think we can all recall a time when a score just didn't look that good and it was because of the notation elements, not just the score layout. And, just so you know, I have LilyJAZZ (including all the latest and greatest efforts for chords and a bunch of missing articulations, characters, etc.) and Bravura (my version is called /Profondo/, for OFL licensing reasons) working perfectly as alternate music fonts. In addition, these all provide access to all the ancient notation glyphs as well, so nothing is lost (except for Gonville, which I haven't taken the time to update at all). I eagerly await your responses! Happily Engraving, Abraham -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Question-for-all-LilyPond-users-especially-power-users-tp164178.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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Hi Abraham, 2014-07-09 7:43 GMT+02:00 tisimst tisi...@gmail.com: *My question is this: /Is anyone interested in this?/* That's great news. Yes I'm interested. Pierre ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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tisimst wrote Greetings, All! I have worked out a very nice way to switch between notation fonts in LilyPond, both on a global document level and a local usage level. Up until now, there were only a couple of music fonts available that were really usable on a professional level: / Emmentaler / (the default, built-in font) and / Gonville / . There are also / LilyJAZZ / and / Bravura / (a SMuFL-compliant font), but they require some serious hacks to make them work and they have trouble with even some basic notation elements (like tempo markings, arpeggios, etc.). I am pleased to announce that I have several new music fonts, both in OTF and SVG formats, that I'd like people to be able to use, but this requires a patch to a single file, so anyone wanting to patch the file can do it with little effort. It makes using other fonts as easy as putting a single \include statement at the top of a .ly file. I use them all the time, but I really want to share with the community that has shared so much with me. * My question is this: / Is anyone interested in this? /* I know that the notation font is a small part of the way a score looks, but I think we can all recall a time when a score just didn't look that good and it was because of the notation elements, not just the score layout. And, just so you know, I have LilyJAZZ (including all the latest and greatest efforts for chords and a bunch of missing articulations, characters, etc.) and Bravura (my version is called / Profondo / , for OFL licensing reasons) working perfectly as alternate music fonts. In addition, these all provide access to all the ancient notation glyphs as well, so nothing is lost (except for Gonville, which I haven't taken the time to update at all). I eagerly await your responses! Happily Engraving, Abraham I'm certainly interested in hearing more about this! - composer | sound designer LilyPond Tutorials (for beginners) -- http://bit.ly/bcl-lilypond -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Question-for-all-LilyPond-users-especially-power-users-tp164178p164183.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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I would also be interested. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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I'm interested as well. -Paul -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Question-for-all-LilyPond-users-especially-power-users-tp164178p164188.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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On 9 July 2014 07:43, tisimst tisi...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings, All! I have worked out a very nice way to switch between notation fonts in LilyPond […] *My question is this: /Is anyone interested in this?/* Hi, This is wonderful news, thank you! I am totally interested. And I guess people who starred issue #870 would be also. https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=870 Cheers, Xavier -- Xavier Scheuer x.sche...@gmail.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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Hi, All! I just wanted to thank those who have responded so far. Keep 'em comin'! I also wanted to remind everyone responding via email to Reply to All so the responses make it back to this forum thread. Thanks! - Abraham -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Question-for-all-LilyPond-users-especially-power-users-tp164178p164192.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 11:26 AM, tisimst [via Lilypond] ml-node+s1069038n164192...@n5.nabble.com wrote: Hi, All! I just wanted to thank those who have responded so far. Keep 'em comin'! I also wanted to remind everyone responding via email to Reply to All so the responses make it back to this forum thread. Thanks! - Abraham If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Question-for-all-LilyPond-users-especially-power-users-tp164178p164192.html To unsubscribe from Question for all LilyPond users (especially power users), click here. NAML Oh, and if anyone has a music font that they've started (or finished, or wanted to do), but couldn't get to work with LilyPond, I can help you with that if you'd like. :) I like the idea of LilyPond being the most decorated engraving/notation software out there! Regards, Abraham -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Question-for-all-LilyPond-users-especially-power-users-tp164178p164193.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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On Wed, Jul 09, 2014 at 11:01:46AM -0700, tisimst wrote: Oh, and if anyone has a music font that they've started (or finished, or wanted to do), but couldn't get to work with LilyPond, I can help you with that if you'd like. :) LilyJAZZ might be more useful if it included lowercase characters. While an all-caps font might be okay for tempo markings, and other text annotations, it isn't really suitable for chordnames. Does anyone know what font is used for the chordnames in Pat Metheny's anthology songbook, published by Hal Leonard? Here is a sample image linked from a seller's website: http://d29ci68ykuu27r.cloudfront.net/product/Look-Inside/large/2958319_03.jpg http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/title/Pat-Metheny-Songbook-sheet-music/2958319 I'd appreciate having a font like the one used for the Chordnames in that edition. Jim I like the idea of LilyPond being the most decorated engraving/notation software out there! Regards, Abraham -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Question-for-all-LilyPond-users-especially-power-users-tp164178p164193.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Jim Long lilyp...@umpquanet.com wrote: Does anyone know what font is used for the chordnames in Pat Metheny's anthology songbook, published by Hal Leonard? Here is a sample image linked from a seller's website: http://d29ci68ykuu27r.cloudfront.net/product/Look-Inside/large/2958319_03.jpg http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/title/Pat-Metheny-Songbook-sheet-music/2958319 Looks like Comic Sans. Personally, I would prefer a chordname font resembling the one in the Hal Leonard Real Books or the Chuck Sher New Real Book; this all serves to highlight how varied jazz lead sheets can be. Regards, Nathan ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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Hi Abraham, 2014-07-09 7:43 GMT+02:00 tisimst tisi...@gmail.com: I am pleased to announce that I have several new music fonts, both in OTF and SVG formats, that I'd like people to be able to use, but this requires a patch to a single file, so anyone wanting to patch the file can do it with little effort. It makes using other fonts as easy as putting a single \include statement at the top of a .ly file. I use them all the time, but I really want to share with the community that has shared so much with me. Sounds great! I'm definitely interested, but unfortunately i'm too busy for the next few weeks to get involved. I hope that others will chime in :) Janek ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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Jim Long wrote LilyJAZZ might be more useful if it included lowercase characters. While an all-caps font might be okay for tempo markings, and other text annotations, it isn't really suitable for chordnames. Does anyone know what font is used for the chordnames in Pat Metheny's anthology songbook, published by Hal Leonard? Here is a sample image linked from a seller's website: http://d29ci68ykuu27r.cloudfront.net/product/Look-Inside/large/2958319_03.jpg http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/title/Pat-Metheny-Songbook-sheet-music/2958319 I'd appreciate having a font like the one used for the Chordnames in that edition. Jim ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@ https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user Jim, Good question. Recently, a user (I forget the name...) made some updates to the LilyJAZZ ensemble by introducing a font specifically designed for chords, which includes both lower and uppercase letters and shortcuts to the sharp, flat, etc. symbols. I've added more characters to it as well just to make it more useable and its nicely integrated into my jazz files. I've attached some jazz example files. When the chord is a recognized one, then it should get formatted quite nicely with the lilyjazzchord font, otherwise it will revert back to the LilyJAZZ font, but the chord list is pretty big. Regards, Abraham AllOfMe.pdf http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n164196/AllOfMe.pdf BossaNova.pdf http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n164196/BossaNova.pdf JazzChordsDemo.pdf http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n164196/JazzChordsDemo.pdf JazzTest.pdf http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n164196/JazzTest.pdf -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Question-for-all-LilyPond-users-especially-power-users-tp164178p164196.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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Well, honestly, it's not like anyone has to really really be involved in anything yet. For now, I just wanted to get a concensus on the matter. Thanks for your input! -Abraham Janek Warchoł [via Lilypond] ml-node+s1069038n164197...@n5.nabble.com wrote: Hi Abraham, 2014-07-09 7:43 GMT+02:00 tisimst tisi...@gmail.com: I am pleased to announce that I have several new music fonts, both in OTF and SVG formats, that I'd like people to be able to use, but this requires a patch to a single file, so anyone wanting to patch the file can do it with little effort. It makes using other fonts as easy as putting a single \include statement at the top of a .ly file. I use them all the time, but I really want to share with the community that has shared so much with me. Sounds great! I'm definitely interested, but unfortunately i'm too busy for the next few weeks to get involved. I hope that others will chime in :) Janek ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Question-for-all-LilyPond-users-especially-power-users-tp164178p164197.html To unsubscribe from Question for all LilyPond users (especially power users), visit http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_codenode=164178code=dGlzaW1zdEBnbWFpbC5jb218MTY0MTc4fDQ5NDE1NDg1Ng== -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Question-for-all-LilyPond-users-especially-power-users-tp164178p164198.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Jim Long lilyp...@umpquanet.com wrote: Does anyone know what font is used for the chordnames in Pat Metheny's anthology songbook, published by Hal Leonard? Here is a sample image linked from a seller's website: http://d29ci68ykuu27r.cloudfront.net/product/Look-Inside/large/2958319_03.jpg http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/title/Pat-Metheny-Songbook-sheet-music/2958319 Looks like Comic Sans. Personally, I would prefer a chordname font resembling the one in the Hal Leonard Real Books or the Chuck Sher New Real Book; this all serves to highlight how varied jazz lead sheets can be, typographically. Regards, Nathan ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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Oops, sorry about the double email. Connection problems. Regards, Nathan On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Nathan Ho when.possi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Jim Long lilyp...@umpquanet.com wrote: Does anyone know what font is used for the chordnames in Pat Metheny's anthology songbook, published by Hal Leonard? Here is a sample image linked from a seller's website: http://d29ci68ykuu27r.cloudfront.net/product/Look-Inside/large/2958319_03.jpg http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/title/Pat-Metheny-Songbook-sheet-music/2958319 Looks like Comic Sans. Personally, I would prefer a chordname font resembling the one in the Hal Leonard Real Books or the Chuck Sher New Real Book; this all serves to highlight how varied jazz lead sheets can be, typographically. Regards, Nathan ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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Xavier, That issue is a perfect example of what can be changed easily (i.e., no symbolic linking, no fancy naming-renaming, copying-recopying, etc.) All the fonts can co-exist, just as we are already used to with text fonts, in what I've developed. Regards, Abraham Xavier Scheuer x.sche...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 July 2014 07:43, tisimst tisi...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings, All! I have worked out a very nice way to switch between notation fonts in LilyPond […] *My question is this: /Is anyone interested in this?/* Hi, This is wonderful news, thank you! I am totally interested. And I guess people who starred issue #870 would be also. https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=870 Cheers, Xavier -- Xavier Scheuer x.sche...@gmail.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
