Re: Cadenza in right hand, metered in left
On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 12:24 PM Valentin Petzel wrote: > Hello Knute, > > there is no need to move timing, simply omit the barlines. Moving Timing > translator will mean you’ll loose bar numbering too. > I removed the \cadenzaOn and Off, and the Timing_translator, and used \omit Staff.BarLline and \omit Score.SpanBar, and everything looks great! (I had tried omitting bar lines before, but it was the strict spacing I missed.) Thanks, everyone! -- Knute Snortum
Re: Cadenza in right hand, metered in left
Hello Knute, there is no need to move timing, simply omit the barlines. Moving Timing translator will mean you’ll loose bar numbering too. Cheers, Valentin Am Donnerstag, 3. August 2023, 19:04:26 CEST schrieb Knute Snortum: > On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 9:47 AM Knute Snortum wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 8:31 AM Kieren MacMillan < > > > > kie...@kierenmacmillan.info> wrote: > >> Hi Knute, > >> > >> > Now the only thing that remains is that one of the left hand bars lines > >> > >> is too close to the notes. > >> > >> Maybe > >> > >> R2. \once \override Score.BarLine.extra-offset = #'(-1 . 0) \once > >> > >> \override Score.Clef.extra-offset = #'(-1 . 0) | > > > > That looks good, thanks! > > Bah! I spoke too soon. Removing the Timing_translator from the score > context and adding it to the staff works on my short sample, but when I put > it into the entire piece, it messes up the engraving of all the rest of the > bars. Is there a way to remove the Timing_translator just at the credendo > and not the entire piece? > > -- > Knute Snortum signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Cadenza in right hand, metered in left
My solution works. Try it. On Thu, Aug 3, 2023, 1:05 PM Knute Snortum wrote: > On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 9:47 AM Knute Snortum wrote: > >> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 8:31 AM Kieren MacMillan < >> kie...@kierenmacmillan.info> wrote: >> >>> Hi Knute, >>> >>> > Now the only thing that remains is that one of the left hand bars >>> lines is too close to the notes. >>> >>> Maybe >>> >>> R2. \once \override Score.BarLine.extra-offset = #'(-1 . 0) \once >>> \override Score.Clef.extra-offset = #'(-1 . 0) | >>> >> >> That looks good, thanks! >> > > Bah! I spoke too soon. Removing the Timing_translator from the score > context and adding it to the staff works on my short sample, but when I put > it into the entire piece, it messes up the engraving of all the rest of the > bars. Is there a way to remove the Timing_translator just at the credendo > and not the entire piece? > > -- > Knute Snortum >
Re: Cadenza in right hand, metered in left
On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 9:47 AM Knute Snortum wrote: > On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 8:31 AM Kieren MacMillan < > kie...@kierenmacmillan.info> wrote: > >> Hi Knute, >> >> > Now the only thing that remains is that one of the left hand bars lines >> is too close to the notes. >> >> Maybe >> >> R2. \once \override Score.BarLine.extra-offset = #'(-1 . 0) \once >> \override Score.Clef.extra-offset = #'(-1 . 0) | >> > > That looks good, thanks! > Bah! I spoke too soon. Removing the Timing_translator from the score context and adding it to the staff works on my short sample, but when I put it into the entire piece, it messes up the engraving of all the rest of the bars. Is there a way to remove the Timing_translator just at the credendo and not the entire piece? -- Knute Snortum
Re: Cadenza in right hand, metered in left
On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 8:31 AM Kieren MacMillan wrote: > Hi Knute, > > > Now the only thing that remains is that one of the left hand bars lines > is too close to the notes. > > Maybe > > R2. \once \override Score.BarLine.extra-offset = #'(-1 . 0) \once > \override Score.Clef.extra-offset = #'(-1 . 0) | > That looks good, thanks! -- Knute Snortum
Re: Cadenza in right hand, metered in left
Hi Knute, > Now the only thing that remains is that one of the left hand bars lines is > too close to the notes. Maybe R2. \once \override Score.BarLine.extra-offset = #'(-1 . 0) \once \override Score.Clef.extra-offset = #'(-1 . 0) | ? Hope that helps, Kieren. __ My work day may look different than your work day. Please do not feel obligated to read or respond to this email outside of your normal working hours.
Re: Cadenza in right hand, metered in left
\clef bass <<{\once \override NoteColumn.force-hshift = 1 af,4 \stemDown
q }\\{\hideNotes f f f }>> |
that will get you the rest of the way. adjust as necessary.
regards,
Shane Brandes
On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 10:56 AM Knute Snortum wrote:
> This doesn't seem to have an effect:
>
> \clef bass \once \override NoteColumn.force-hshift = 1 af,4 q |
>
> Perhaps because of strict spacing = ##t?
>
> --
> Knute Snortum
>
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 7:25 AM Fernando Gil wrote:
>
>> Perhaps using \once \override NoteColumn.force-hshift = 1 to push the
>> note to the right?
>>
>> El jue, 3 ago 2023 a las 8:58, Knute Snortum ()
>> escribió:
>>
>>> We are so close! I used
>>>
>>> \override Score.SpacingSpanner.strict-note-spacing = ##t
>>> \newSpacingSection
>>>
>>> to start the strict spacing and
>>>
>>> \override Score.SpacingSpanner.strict-note-spacing = ##f
>>> \newSpacingSection
>>>
>>> to stop it. Now the only thing that remains is that one of the left
>>> hand bars lines is too close to the notes. I have attached the new source
>>> code and a PNG of its output.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Knute Snortum
>>>
>>
Re: Cadenza in right hand, metered in left
This doesn't seem to have an effect: \clef bass \once \override NoteColumn.force-hshift = 1 af,4 q | Perhaps because of strict spacing = ##t? -- Knute Snortum On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 7:25 AM Fernando Gil wrote: > Perhaps using \once \override NoteColumn.force-hshift = 1 to push the note > to the right? > > El jue, 3 ago 2023 a las 8:58, Knute Snortum () > escribió: > >> We are so close! I used >> >> \override Score.SpacingSpanner.strict-note-spacing = ##t >> \newSpacingSection >> >> to start the strict spacing and >> >> \override Score.SpacingSpanner.strict-note-spacing = ##f >> \newSpacingSection >> >> to stop it. Now the only thing that remains is that one of the left hand >> bars lines is too close to the notes. I have attached the new source code >> and a PNG of its output. >> >> -- >> Knute Snortum >> >
Re: Cadenza in right hand, metered in left
Perhaps using \once \override NoteColumn.force-hshift = 1 to push the note
to the right?
El jue, 3 ago 2023 a las 8:58, Knute Snortum ()
escribió:
> We are so close! I used
>
> \override Score.SpacingSpanner.strict-note-spacing = ##t
> \newSpacingSection
>
> to start the strict spacing and
>
> \override Score.SpacingSpanner.strict-note-spacing = ##f
> \newSpacingSection
>
> to stop it. Now the only thing that remains is that one of the left hand
> bars lines is too close to the notes. I have attached the new source code
> and a PNG of its output.
>
> --
> Knute Snortum
>
> On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 8:51 PM William Rehwinkel <
> will...@williamrehwinkel.net> wrote:
>
>> Dear Knute,
>>
>> Substituting the following for the score context may result in more of
>> what you are looking for.
>>
>> \context {
>> \Score
>> \remove Timing_translator
>> \override SpacingSpanner.strict-note-spacing = ##t
>> }
>> % ...
>> }
>>
>> However, it will probably not be ideal to have the entire score rendered
>> in this way. I couldn't figure out how to enable strict note spacing for
>> this cadenza and disable afterwards
>>
>
>
>
Re: Cadenza in right hand, metered in left
We are so close! I used
\override Score.SpacingSpanner.strict-note-spacing = ##t
\newSpacingSection
to start the strict spacing and
\override Score.SpacingSpanner.strict-note-spacing = ##f
\newSpacingSection
to stop it. Now the only thing that remains is that one of the left hand
bars lines is too close to the notes. I have attached the new source code
and a PNG of its output.
--
Knute Snortum
On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 8:51 PM William Rehwinkel <
will...@williamrehwinkel.net> wrote:
> Dear Knute,
>
> Substituting the following for the score context may result in more of
> what you are looking for.
>
> \context {
> \Score
> \remove Timing_translator
> \override SpacingSpanner.strict-note-spacing = ##t
> }
> % ...
> }
>
> However, it will probably not be ideal to have the entire score rendered
> in this way. I couldn't figure out how to enable strict note spacing for
> this cadenza and disable afterwards
>
\version "2.24.0"
\language "english"
global = {
\key df \major
\time 3/4
}
rightHand = \relative {
\global
af''8 bf af g af \ottava 1 f''(\noBeam |
\cadenzaOn
\override Score.SpacingSpanner.strict-note-spacing = ##t
\newSpacingSection
\scaleDurations 3/4 { \magnifyMusic 0.63 {
ef8[ df c bf af gf f ef \ottava 0 df c bf af gf f ef df c bf a c bf f gf c,]
} }
\cadenzaOff
\override Score.SpacingSpanner.strict-note-spacing = ##f
\newSpacingSection
\bar "|"
df2) r4 |
\bar "|."
}
leftHand = \relative {
\global
df'4 r |
\clef bass gf,,4 \clef treble r |
R2. |
\clef bass af,4 q |
df,4 r |
\bar "|."
}
\score {
\new PianoStaff <<
\new Staff \rightHand
\new Staff \leftHand
>>
\layout {
\context {
\Score
\remove Timing_translator
}
\context {
\Staff
\consists Timing_translator
}
}
}
Re: Cadenza in right hand, metered in left
Dear Knute,
Substituting the following for the score context may result in more of
what you are looking for.
\context {
\Score
\remove Timing_translator
\override SpacingSpanner.strict-note-spacing = ##t
}
% ...
}
However, it will probably not be ideal to have the entire score rendered
in this way. I couldn't figure out how to enable strict note spacing for
this cadenza and disable afterwards.
Thanks,
-William
On 8/2/23 20:34, Knute Snortum wrote:
Hello, LilyPonders.
I am engraving Chopin's "minute waltz" and I'm having trouble with the
last few bars. Chopin writes grace notes with no bar lines in the
right hand but metered bars in the left. I have gotten close to what
I want, but the right-hand grace notes show spaces where the bar lines
would be, and I want them to be completely smooth.
I've attached my source file and two PNGs, one with the source file's
output and one that shows how I want it to look. Any help would be
very appreciated.
--
Knute Snortum
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Re: Cadenza in right hand, metered in left
I have this all the time in the New Complexity School music I engrave. The way I approach it is to give up the idea of grace notes and make the RH a tuplet say 30:18 or whatever (sorry I have not counted it) and then reduce the size of the notes to grace note size, and if you need a slash you can use my OLL slash module. The thing about graces is they take no musical time, but the notes in the Chopin clearly do occupy time duration in the musical space. Spacing re barlines is a separate issue, but one step at a time. [I'd have to knock this up to answer that.] Andrew On 3/08/2023 10:34 am, Knute Snortum wrote: I am engraving Chopin's "minute waltz" and I'm having trouble with the last few bars. Chopin writes grace notes with no bar lines in the right hand but metered bars in the left.
