Re: Clef change after end-repeat before break -- how?
>> Under 2.22 I do not get extra space. > > That’s still more curious. On 2.22.2 I get a warning > that the break is overwritten by another event, so we > don’t get the line break that I had specified and wanted. It's expected. 2.22 doesn't accept mid-measure breaks without a bar line. You need \bar "" to allow a break in that version. OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Clef change after end-repeat before break -- how?
On 28/01/2023 06:52, Ole V. Villumsen wrote: > Thanks, everyone, for your contributions. > > First of all Jean. Your code gives me exactly what I wanted. I haven’t > learned to use the internals, but see here that it’s useful. > >> Not sure, but my guess is that LilyPond might be trying to make different >> measures have not-too-distant lengths. This is just a guess; ... > > I am skeptical. There’s no separate measure there. > When I move the setting of the measure position to later in the bar, > I still get the same space (but then not the measure number, 5, > on the 2nd line, which makes sense). So still curious. OK, I dug a bit, and although I still find your original code dubious, it turns out that there is a genuine bug. See https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/issues/6524 OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Clef change after end-repeat before break -- how?
On 28/01/2023 16:51, David Kastrup wrote: > Jean Abou Samra writes: > >>> Le 28 janv. 2023 à 08:01, Darren Ng a écrit : >>> >>> [subject] How to define a macro that expands to a percussion "pitch"? >> >> >> It may be worth noting that LilyPond does not have macros, only >> variables and regular functions. Call me pedantic, but I think it is >> helpful not to conflate the two. > > It's a hybrid, actually. In Lispy terms, the difference between a > function and a macro is that a function evaluates its arguments while a > macro evaluates the result of executing the macro body on the > unevaluated arguments. > > LilyPond evaluates a music/event/scheme/void function's body after > reading its arguments but the reading/interpretation of the arguments is > directed by the predicates. > > So a music/event/scheme/void function does evaluate some of its parts > (the predicates) in order to direct the syntactic interpretation of its > arguments. OK, I grant you that. Still very different from the concepts of "macros" found in Scheme, Lisp, C, TeX or Rust, though. >> There is no way in LilyPond to make a variable "just be replaced by >> this code". Sometimes users get confused by this (I remember a >> question about defining a chord modifier, which was similar to this >> one). Instead, there are functions, as well as some other mechanisms >> like drumPitchNames. > > In general, things are not purely functional but the categories and > interpretation change around more by ad-hoc conditions than a cohesive > macro mechanism. Yup. OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Clef change after end-repeat before break -- how?
Furthermore, for the record, the same trick also works in the case where there
is no break after the end-repeat sign. In this case the second of the three
inner lists in Score.BreakAlignment.break-align-orders governs the order. So I
want to modify both the 1st and the 2nd list. From the documentation:
> This is a vector of 3 lists: #(end-of-line unbroken start-of-line).
Having different scores and parts of the same music I now end up with clearly
more readable and sensible Lilypond source than I had before. And nicer typeset
music. Hallelujah, as Mr. Handel wrote.
/Ole
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--- Original Message ---
On Saturday, January 28th, 2023 at 06:52, Ole V. Villumsen
wrote:
> Thanks, everyone, for your contributions.
>
> First of all Jean. Your code gives me exactly what I wanted. I haven’t
> learned to use the internals, but see here that it’s useful.
>
> > Not sure, but my guess is that LilyPond might be trying to make different
> > measures have not-too-distant lengths. This is just a guess; ...
>
>
> I am skeptical. There’s no separate measure there.
> When I move the setting of the measure position to later in the bar,
> I still get the same space (but then not the measure number, 5,
> on the 2nd line, which makes sense). So still curious.
>
> @Mark
>
> > Under 2.22 I do not get extra space.
>
>
> That’s still more curious. On 2.22.2 I get a warning
> that the break is overwritten by another event, so we
> don’t get the line break that I had specified and wanted.
>
> @Ralph Palmer, you may have forgot to put content into your message? At least
> none arrived here.
>
> Best, Ole
>
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>
> --- Original Message ---
> On Saturday, January 28th, 2023 at 00:09, Jean Abou Samra j...@abou-samra.fr
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 27/01/2023 22:35, Ole V. Villumsen wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, I am typesetting a movement with a repeat and a clef change right
> > > after the repeat. I have a suitable line break where the repeat ends and
> > > the clef change happens. Default Lilypond sets the new clef within the
> > > repeat, before the end-repeat sign, which I don’t want and find
> > > meaningless in my case since there is no clef change when repeating from
> > > the beginning, only when continuing after the repeated section. Instead I
> > > want the clef after the end-repeat and before the line break. I can do
> > > that by setting the clef change off from the repeated section by a small
> > > space. Only the space comes out much larger than expected.
> > >
> > > Tiny example:
> > >
> > > \version "2.24.0"
> > >
> > > \relative c' {
> > > \repeat volta 2 {
> > > g'4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 8 8 |
> > > }
> > > s1024
> > > \clef bass
> > > \break
> > > \set Timing.measurePosition = #(ly:make-moment 0/4)
> > > c,,4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 |
> > > }
> > >
> > > I enclose the output as png. My 1024th spacer rest is broader than the
> > > two preceding quavers (8th notes) combined.
> > >
> > > * Curious question: why is that?
> >
> > Not sure, but my guess is that LilyPond might be trying to make different
> > measures have not-too-distant lengths. This is just a guess; I didn't try
> > to investigate, because:
> >
> > > * Constructive question: how to avoid it?
> >
> > Don't use a spacer rest in the first place. See below.
> >
> > > * Real question: How do I set the clef nicely immediately> after the
> > > end-repeat with minimal space between?
> >
> > Use
> >
> > \version "2.24.0"
> >
> > \relative c' {
> > \repeat volta 2 {
> > g'4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 8 8 |
> > }
> > \once \override Score.BreakAlignment.break-align-orders =
> > ##((left-edge staff-ellipsis cue-end-clef ambitus breathing-sign
> > signum-repetitionis cue-clef staff-bar clef key-cancellation key-signature
> > time-signature custos)
> > (left-edge staff-ellipsis cue-end-clef ambitus breathing-sign
> > signum-repetitionis clef cue-clef staff-bar key-cancellation key-signature
> > time-signature custos)
> > (left-edge staff-ellipsis ambitus breathing-sign signum-repetitionis clef
> > key-cancellation key-signature time-signature staff-bar cue-clef custos))
> > \clef bass
> > \break
> > c,,4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 |
> > }
> >
> > I just took the default on
> > https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.24/Documentation/internals/breakalignment
> > and moved "clef" after "staff-bar" in the first list.
> >
> > Best,
> > Jean
Re: Clef change after end-repeat before break -- how?
Thanks, everyone, for your contributions.
First of all Jean. Your code gives me exactly what I wanted. I haven’t learned
to use the internals, but see here that it’s useful.
> Not sure, but my guess is that LilyPond might be trying to make different
> measures have not-too-distant lengths. This is just a guess; ...
I am skeptical. There’s no separate measure there.
When I move the setting of the measure position to later in the bar,
I still get the same space (but then not the measure number, 5,
on the 2nd line, which makes sense). So still curious.
@Mark
> Under 2.22 I do not get extra space.
That’s still more curious. On 2.22.2 I get a warning
that the break is overwritten by another event, so we
don’t get the line break that I had specified and wanted.
@Ralph Palmer, you may have forgot to put content into your message? At least
none arrived here.
Best, Ole
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--- Original Message ---
On Saturday, January 28th, 2023 at 00:09, Jean Abou Samra
wrote:
> On 27/01/2023 22:35, Ole V. Villumsen wrote:
>
> > Hi, I am typesetting a movement with a repeat and a clef change right after
> > the repeat. I have a suitable line break where the repeat ends and the clef
> > change happens. Default Lilypond sets the new clef within the repeat,
> > before the end-repeat sign, which I don’t want and find meaningless in my
> > case since there is no clef change when repeating from the beginning, only
> > when continuing after the repeated section. Instead I want the clef after
> > the end-repeat and before the line break. I can do that by setting the clef
> > change off from the repeated section by a small space. Only the space comes
> > out much larger than expected.
> >
> > Tiny example:
> >
> > \version "2.24.0"
> >
> > \relative c' {
> > \repeat volta 2 {
> > g'4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 8 8 |
> > }
> > s1024
> > \clef bass
> > \break
> > \set Timing.measurePosition = #(ly:make-moment 0/4)
> > c,,4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 |
> > }
> >
> > I enclose the output as png. My 1024th spacer rest is broader than the two
> > preceding quavers (8th notes) combined.
> >
> > * Curious question: why is that?
>
>
>
> Not sure, but my guess is that LilyPond might be trying to make different
> measures have not-too-distant lengths. This is just a guess; I didn't try
> to investigate, because:
>
> > * Constructive question: how to avoid it?
>
>
>
> Don't use a spacer rest in the first place. See below.
>
> > * Real question: How do I set the clef nicely immediately> after the
> > end-repeat with minimal space between?
>
>
>
> Use
>
> \version "2.24.0"
>
> \relative c' {
> \repeat volta 2 {
> g'4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 8 8 |
> }
> \once \override Score.BreakAlignment.break-align-orders =
> ##((left-edge staff-ellipsis cue-end-clef ambitus breathing-sign
> signum-repetitionis cue-clef staff-bar clef key-cancellation key-signature
> time-signature custos)
> (left-edge staff-ellipsis cue-end-clef ambitus breathing-sign
> signum-repetitionis clef cue-clef staff-bar key-cancellation key-signature
> time-signature custos)
> (left-edge staff-ellipsis ambitus breathing-sign signum-repetitionis clef
> key-cancellation key-signature time-signature staff-bar cue-clef custos))
> \clef bass
> \break
> c,,4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 |
> }
>
>
>
> I just took the default on
> https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.24/Documentation/internals/breakalignment
> and moved "clef" after "staff-bar" in the first list.
>
> Best,
> Jean
RE: Clef change after end-repeat before break -- how?
Ole,
Under 2.22 I do not get extra space.
Mark
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From: lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org
[mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Ole V.
Villumsen
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2023 1:35 PM
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Clef change after end-repeat before break -- how?
Hi, I am typesetting a movement with a repeat and a clef change right after the
repeat. I have a suitable line break where the repeat ends and the clef change
happens. Default Lilypond sets the new clef within the repeat, before the
end-repeat sign, which I don’t want and find meaningless in my case since there
is no clef change when repeating from the beginning, only when continuing after
the repeated section. Instead I want the clef after the end-repeat and before
the line break. I can do that by setting the clef change off from the repeated
section by a small space. Only the space comes out much larger than expected.
Tiny example:
\version "2.24.0"
\relative c' {
\repeat volta 2 {
g'4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 8 8 |
}
s1024
\clef bass
\break
\set Timing.measurePosition = #(ly:make-moment 0/4)
c,,4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | }
I enclose the output as png. My 1024th spacer rest is broader than the two
preceding quavers (8th notes) combined.
* Curious question: why is that?
* Constructive question: how to avoid it?
* Real question: How do I set the clef nicely immediately
after the end-repeat with minimal space between?
Cheers, Ole
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RE: Clef change after end-repeat before break -- how?
Ole,
Maybe
\override Score.BreakAlignment?
Mark
-Original Message-
From: lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org
[mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Ole V.
Villumsen
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2023 1:35 PM
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Clef change after end-repeat before break -- how?
Hi, I am typesetting a movement with a repeat and a clef change right after the
repeat. I have a suitable line break where the repeat ends and the clef change
happens. Default Lilypond sets the new clef within the repeat, before the
end-repeat sign, which I don’t want and find meaningless in my case since there
is no clef change when repeating from the beginning, only when continuing after
the repeated section. Instead I want the clef after the end-repeat and before
the line break. I can do that by setting the clef change off from the repeated
section by a small space. Only the space comes out much larger than expected.
Tiny example:
\version "2.24.0"
\relative c' {
\repeat volta 2 {
g'4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 8 8 |
}
s1024
\clef bass
\break
\set Timing.measurePosition = #(ly:make-moment 0/4)
c,,4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | }
I enclose the output as png. My 1024th spacer rest is broader than the two
preceding quavers (8th notes) combined.
* Curious question: why is that?
* Constructive question: how to avoid it?
* Real question: How do I set the clef nicely immediately
after the end-repeat with minimal space between?
Cheers, Ole
Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
Re: Clef change after end-repeat before break -- how?
On 27/01/2023 22:35, Ole V. Villumsen wrote:
> Hi, I am typesetting a movement with a repeat and a clef change right after
> the repeat. I have a suitable line break where the repeat ends and the clef
> change happens. Default Lilypond sets the new clef within the repeat, before
> the end-repeat sign, which I don’t want and find meaningless in my case since
> there is no clef change when repeating from the beginning, only when
> continuing after the repeated section. Instead I want the clef after the
> end-repeat and before the line break. I can do that by setting the clef
> change off from the repeated section by a small space. Only the space comes
> out much larger than expected.
>
> Tiny example:
>
> \version "2.24.0"
>
> \relative c' {
> \repeat volta 2 {
> g'4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 8 8 |
> }
> s1024
> \clef bass
> \break
> \set Timing.measurePosition = #(ly:make-moment 0/4)
> c,,4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 |
> }
>
> I enclose the output as png. My 1024th spacer rest is broader than the two
> preceding quavers (8th notes) combined.
>
> * Curious question: why is that?
Not sure, but my guess is that LilyPond might be trying to make different
measures have not-too-distant lengths. This is just a guess; I didn't try
to investigate, because:
> * Constructive question: how to avoid it?
Don't use a spacer rest in the first place. See below.
> * Real question: How do I set the clef nicely immediately>after the
> end-repeat with minimal space between?
Use
\version "2.24.0"
\relative c' {
\repeat volta 2 {
g'4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 8 8 |
}
\once \override Score.BreakAlignment.break-align-orders =
##((left-edge staff-ellipsis cue-end-clef ambitus breathing-sign
signum-repetitionis cue-clef staff-bar clef key-cancellation key-signature
time-signature custos)
(left-edge staff-ellipsis cue-end-clef ambitus breathing-sign
signum-repetitionis clef cue-clef staff-bar key-cancellation key-signature
time-signature custos)
(left-edge staff-ellipsis ambitus breathing-sign signum-repetitionis clef
key-cancellation key-signature time-signature staff-bar cue-clef custos))
\clef bass
\break
c,,4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 |
}
I just took the default on
https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.24/Documentation/internals/breakalignment
and moved "clef" after "staff-bar" in the first list.
Best,
Jean
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Re: Clef change after end-repeat before break -- how?
On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 1:36 PM Ole V. Villumsen <
ole.villum...@protonmail.ch> wrote:
> Hi, I am typesetting a movement with a repeat and a clef change right
> after the repeat. I have a suitable line break where the repeat ends and
> the clef change happens. Default Lilypond sets the new clef within the
> repeat, before the end-repeat sign, which I don’t want and find meaningless
> in my case since there is no clef change when repeating from the beginning,
> only when continuing after the repeated section. Instead I want the clef
> after the end-repeat and before the line break. I can do that by setting
> the clef change off from the repeated section by a small space. Only the
> space comes out much larger than expected.
>
> Tiny example:
>
> \version "2.24.0"
>
> \relative c' {
> \repeat volta 2 {
> g'4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 8 8 |
> }
> s1024
> \clef bass
> \break
> \set Timing.measurePosition = #(ly:make-moment 0/4)
> c,,4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 | 4 4 4 4 |
> }
>
> I enclose the output as png. My 1024th spacer rest is broader than the two
> preceding quavers (8th notes) combined.
>
> * Curious question: why is that?
> * Constructive question: how to avoid it?
> * Real question: How do I set the clef nicely immediately
>after the end-repeat with minimal space between?
>
> Cheers, Ole
>
> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
Hi, Ole -
Boy, I thought that would be simple, but I can't figure it out. I thought I
had examples, but maybe it's always been with alternatives. Anyone else?
All the best,
Ralph
