Re: Music Notation/Interpretation question

[Andrew Bernard]

Sorry, rubbish. Not standard musical praxis. Think about it – you would often 
have to have all notes on the right or left. One never sees this.

The dispostiion of notes either side of the stem is for clarity of reading to 
avoid overlap. Pure and simple.

But  … there are contemporary composers who do use the notehead sign to signify 
some concepts, but this is not mainstream.

Andrew


On 9/04/2016, 06:38, "lilypond-user on behalf of Alberto Simões" 
 wrote:

Do any of you ever heard anything about that? Or did you read anything?
If so, can you share your knowledge on that?

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Re: Music Notation/Interpretation question

[Simon Albrecht]

On 08.04.2016 22:38, Alberto Simões wrote:

Hi

This is not exactly a Lilypond doubt...

but imagine a chord, in a left hand piano piece, with 

Lilypond will eventually put c and g at the left of the note stem, and 
d and a at the right (what it does exactly is not relevant for the 
question).


The question is:
 is the side of the note relevant when analyzing a music?

Basically, during my music formation, nobody ever told me anything 
about that. But last week, when asking a friend daughter to verify a 
transcription, she said that the notes at the right of the stem should 
be the ones relevant for the chord, and that the side of them is 
relevant...


Do any of you ever heard anything about that? Or did you read anything?
If so, can you share your knowledge on that? 


If you ask me, that’s nonsense. Maybe someone at some time invented such 
a system, but if that is so, then it’s a very rare corner case and not 
applicable to the vast majority of scores.
I also don’t think it’s useful (except to visualise some point made in a 
theoretical paper), since it will seriously impair legibility.


Yours, Simon

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Re: Music notation in our lives survey RESULTS

[H. S. Teoh]

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 11:39:00PM +0200, Pierre Perol-Schneider wrote:
 Hi Abraham,
 Thanks for sharing the results.
 And I'm surprised too : 5a persons, that's roughly 20% of the member's list
 (I'd bet on 100 persons at least).
 Too bad.

I missed this survey...

But FWIW, what is my affiliation with music? -- I'm an amateur composer,
and I do play piano and guitar on the side, both self-taught.

Why do I engrave music? -- it's for recording my compositions in a nice,
presentable form. :-)  And specifically to Lilypond -- to have my music
in a form that's easily edited without having to pay lots of money to a
professional engraver and/or tediously rewrite manuscripts by hand.

What notation/engraving software do I use on a regular basis? -- Well,
this question is obviously going to get biased answers given that this
*is* the lilypond-user mailing list! But in any case, I primarily use
Lilypond. I used Rosegarden in the past but gave it up as it was more a
sequencer than a notation program, so I no longer use it. Before that I
also use pencil  paper, but ever since I returned to Lilypond early
this year and finding that it has come a long way since the old days
when I first heard about it, I've given up on pencil  paper as well
(except for temporary sketches), and have in fact started transcribing
some of my pencil-and-paper scores into Lilypond.


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Re: Music notation in our lives survey RESULTS

[Pierre Perol-Schneider]

Hi Abraham,
Thanks for sharing the results.
And I'm surprised too : 5a persons, that's roughly 20% of the member's list
(I'd bet on 100 persons at least).
Too bad.
Cheers,
Pierre

2015-04-21 23:21 GMT+02:00 Abraham Lee tisimst.lilyp...@gmail.com:

 All,

 I realize that I was just keeping this information to myself, so I
 decided, particularly with the recent discussions about the future of
 LilyPond in and out of the commercial world, I thought I'd publish some of
 the results of the survey I launched last July. Here are the results of the
 first three non-font specific questions (if anyone is interested in the
 font-related ones, I can post those too):


 

 WHAT'S YOUR AFFILIATION WITH MUSIC? (Select all that apply)

 Casual Musician (36/55, 65.5%)
 

 Listen for enjoyment (24/55, 43.6%)
 

 Professional Performer (21/55, 38.2%)
 X

 Something else that's awesome! (21/55, 38.2%)
 X

 Conductor (14/55, 25.5%)
 XX

 Publisher (11/55, 20%)
 XXX

 Historian (3/55, 5.5%)
 XXX


 

 WHY DO YOU ENGRAVE MUSIC? (Select all that apply)

 For the fun of it (37/55, 67.3%)
 X

 When I need to clean up someone else's score or
 transpose an instrument (36/55, 65.5%)
 

 I do it on the side (28/55, 50.9%)
 

 It's how I make a living (15/55, 27.3%)
 XXX

 Historical re-publications (14/55, 25.5%)
 XX


 

 WHAT NOTATION/ENGRAVING SOFTWARE DO YOU USE ON A REGULAR BASIS?
 (Select all that apply)

 LilyPond (54/54, 100%)
 XX

 Paper  Pencil (11/54, 20.4%)
 XXX

 Sibelius (8/54, 14.8%)
 

 Finale (7/54, 13%)
 XXX

 Something else (5/54, 9.3%)
 X

 MuseScore (4/54, 7.4%)
 

 SCORE (1/54, 1.9%)
 X

 Denemo (1/54, 1.9%)
 X


 

 I don't know if there's anything for me to interpret from this being that
 it's such a potentially small number of people who responded, but it's
 interesting anyway. I'm definitely interested in hearing anyone else's
 thoughts concerning these demographics.

 Regards,
 Abraham

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Re: Music notation in our lives survey (all please read)

[Guy Stalnaker]

Abraham,

There is an omission in your survey relation to music -- composer! I 
use LP/Frescobaldi because I write choral music (and occasionally organ 
music). They in combo are by far, IMO, the best products for my 
purposes. I suppose 'publisher' might fit, but as yet I've never had a 
piece published and, anyway, I'm not a publisher for other composers.


Thanks for the fonts! I like Amadeus and Haydn thus far.

Guy


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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 13:45:54 -0700 (PDT)
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To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Music notation in our lives survey (all please read)
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Everyone,

I wanted to put this out there before I had made any announcement about all
the new fonts, but I thought I might as well send it out now anyway because
I'm still curious...

The link below goes to another survey that I created a short time ago during
the development of these fonts to try and get an understanding about how
folks use music notation software, what kind of applications, opinions of
score appearance, etc. So, if you'd be so kind as to fill this out, I'd
greatly appreciate it. Again, please pass the link to your friends who use
ANY notation software because it was intended to be non-LilyPond-specific.

I thank you for your support, your enthusiasm, your willingness to help
others. I really appreciate being part of this community and enjoy working
with you all.

Here's the link:

http://kwiksurveys.com/s.asp?sid=7msyssv8h91874l378621
http://kwiksurveys.com/s.asp?sid=7msyssv8h91874l378621

BTW, the other survey about renaming AMADEUS is very interesting so far...
It's taken a couple of turns I didn't expect.

Regards,
Abraham

P.S. And just a reminder about these kwiksurveys: once you submit your final
answers, you won't receive a confirmation of your submission. You'll just
see an advertisement for their site. You can just close the browser window.
This is the price I pay for a free subscription for their service :)


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to set against hatred. (paraphrased) Ian McEwan

Guy Stalnaker
jimmyg...@gmail.com

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Re: Music notation in our lives survey (all please read)

[tisimst]

Guy Stalnaker-2 wrote
 Abraham,
 
 There is an omission in your survey relation to music -- composer! I 
 use LP/Frescobaldi because I write choral music (and occasionally organ 
 music). They in combo are by far, IMO, the best products for my 
 purposes. I suppose 'publisher' might fit, but as yet I've never had a 
 piece published and, anyway, I'm not a publisher for other composers.
 
 Thanks for the fonts! I like Amadeus and Haydn thus far.
 
 Guy
 
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 There is only love, and then oblivion. Love is all we have
 to set against hatred. (paraphrased) Ian McEwan
 
 Guy Stalnaker

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Wow, not sure how I forgot that. I guess having a new baby is taking its
tolls on me :) 

I think that composer definitely falls under the category of Something
else awesome!

Regards,
Abraham



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Re: music notation for soprano ukulele

[Xavier Scheuer]

On 7 September 2010 09:55, Steve Yegge steve.ye...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Lilypond gurus,
 I've been getting a bunch of requests for a tab or chord-diagram
 transcription of a ukulele piece I posted on YouTube.  Is there any
 hope?  The tuning is awful -- er, I mean, traditional, with the strings
 not increasing in pitch monotonically.  IIRC it's GCEA, with the low
 G being raised an octave.
 Is there a set of hacks or best-practices lying around that I can use
 to whip something together for now?  My understanding from the
 docs is that chord diagrams just won't work.  I haven't played with a
 Tab Staff yet, but if there is no technical reason that it wouldn't work,
 then I can certainly figure it out and tackle it that way.

Hi!

I'm not used to TabStaff and other chord notations, but there is an
example in the doc using the fret-diagram markup string for ukulele.


  \context ChordNames {
 \chordmode {
   a1
 }
  }
  \context Staff {
%% A chord for ukelele
a'1 ^\markup \fret-diagram #w:4;4-2-2;3-1-1;2-o;1-o;
  }


NR 2.4.1 Common notation for fretted strings  Fret diagram markups
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/Common-notation-for-fretted-strings.html#Fret-diagram-markups

There are also a few discussion about notation for ukulele on
lilypond-user mailing list:

Ukulele Barre Chord Fret Diagrams
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2010-04/msg00448.html
ukelele (C tuning) fretboards
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2008-12/msg00110.html

Maybe one of these could help.

Cheers,
Xavier

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Re: music notation for soprano ukulele

[Carl Sorensen]

On 9/7/10 1:55 AM, Steve Yegge steve.ye...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Lilypond gurus,
 
 I've been getting a bunch of requests for a tab or chord-diagram
 transcription of a ukulele piece I posted on YouTube.  Is there any
 hope?  The tuning is awful -- er, I mean, traditional, with the strings
 not increasing in pitch monotonically.  IIRC it's GCEA, with the low
 G being raised an octave.
 
 Is there a set of hacks or best-practices lying around that I can use
 to whip something together for now?  My understanding from the
 docs is that chord diagrams just won't work.  I haven't played with a
 Tab Staff yet, but if there is no technical reason that it wouldn't work,
 then I can certainly figure it out and tackle it that way.
 
 Thanks for any advice here.

Both tab and fret-diagram calculation for ukulele could work, but you'd need
to specify a string for every pitch.  The automatic tab calculator won't
support non-monotonic strings.  That's an open feature request:

http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=703

However, fret diagrams for ukulele are certainly part of 2.13 (and could be
added to 2.12 just by copying the relevant lilypond input file:
ly/predefined-ukulele-fretboards.ly

For more information, please see

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/notation/common-notation-for-fr
etted-strings#predefined-fret-diagrams

HTH,

Carl


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Re: music notation fonts

[Werner LEMBERG]

 I'm very glad to see such a large open-source effort for music
 notation.  I've actually started working on a similar project
 myself, although my intent is to make a GUI-based notation
 application (along the lines of Finale or Encore) rather than a
 batch system.

Good luck :-)

 As I'm starting to learn about notation software, I've observed that
 most (if not all) applications rely on music notation fonts to plot
 the notes on the staff, and in many cases, the staffs themselves are
 part of the font.  So my question is this: are there any truly
 open-source music notation fonts that I could use in my application?

LilyPond's fonts are GPLed (with an embedding exception), which we
consider the right kind of `free'.

 Assuming that I one day finish my project, I'd like to distribute it
 freely and contribute it to the open-source community, but I don't
 know much about how licensing works when you add third-party
 components, even if such components are themselves open-source.  I'd
 appreciate if someone could shed some light here -- thanks!

I think this is not the right forum for discussing license issues, and
you can find plenty of links in the internet.  However, in general, if
you use GPLed stuff, the results must be GPLed also.  There are more
liberal licenses like BSD.


Werner


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Re: music notation

[Graham Percival]

The lilypond-user mailist can answer this in more detail than the bug 
list, so I have CC'd them.  The short answer is that non-programmers can 
use lilypond without problems, but I do not believe that finale files 
can be imported to lilypond.


The best route is probably musicXML, but I'm not certain if finale can 
create musicxml files.


Cheers,
- Graham

Steve Sedberry wrote:
I've been using Finale Notepad, 2000 version, for the past six years or so and 
am interested in moving from Windows 98 to an open source operating system. I 
am interested in using Lilypond and am hoping to import my finale notepad files 
into the Lilypond program for further editing and printing.


Two questions: 

Since I am not a programmer and cannot fix bugs should I resist the urge to try 
Lilypond?


Can finale notepad files be easily imported into Lilypad?

Thank you for your help.

Steve Sedberry
on the border of Alabama/Georgia, USA





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Re: music notation

[Reinhold Kainhofer]

Am Mittwoch, 31. Oktober 2007 schrieb Graham Percival:
 The lilypond-user mailist can answer this in more detail than the bug
 list, so I have CC'd them.  The short answer is that non-programmers can
 use lilypond without problems, but I do not believe that finale files
 can be imported to lilypond.

Exactly, Finale's .mus files cannot be imported into lilypond.

 The best route is probably musicXML, but I'm not certain if finale can
 create musicxml files.

Finale can create MusicXML files, but Finale Notepad cannot. MusicXML import 
(via the musicxml2ly converted, which I'm currently working on) has improved 
a lot recently and produces fairly decent results in most cases... 

Cheers,
Reinhold
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Re: music notation

[Tim Reeves]

Steve Sedberry wrote:
 I've been using Finale Notepad, 2000 version, for the past six years or 
so and 
 am interested in moving from Windows 98 to an open source operating 
system. I 
 am interested in using Lilypond and am hoping to import my finale 
notepad files 
 into the Lilypond program for further editing and printing.
 
 Two questions: 
 
 Since I am not a programmer and cannot fix bugs should I resist the urge 
to try 
 Lilypond?
 
 Can finale notepad files be easily imported into Lilypad?
 
 Thank you for your help.
 
 Steve Sedberry
 on the border of Alabama/Georgia, USA

Steve,
Just to give some reassurance, I also would not call myself a programmer, 
but I really appreciate all that Lilypond can do...much more than Finale 
Notepad. 
As for bugs, I know there are some, but for what I use it for, they're not 
an issue. 
And they seem to get fixed quickly, so if you do happen to find one, be 
sure to report it.
Also, from reading the user lists, there are almost always workarounds.
The Lilypond Snippet Repository, the documentation (which is good and 
getting better) and other helpful users and developers will all help you 
do anything you could want to do with Lilypond. Welcome!


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Re: music notation

[notesetter]

Later versions of Finale export to musicXML. Check to see if this is
supported by a newer version of notepad. If not, you may need to have help
from someone working with a full version of Finale.

Good luck,

Dave


Graham Percival-2 wrote:
 
 The lilypond-user mailist can answer this in more detail than the bug 
 list, so I have CC'd them.  The short answer is that non-programmers can 
 use lilypond without problems, but I do not believe that finale files 
 can be imported to lilypond.
 
 The best route is probably musicXML, but I'm not certain if finale can 
 create musicxml files.
 
 Cheers,
 - Graham
 
 Steve Sedberry wrote:
 I've been using Finale Notepad, 2000 version, for the past six years or
 so and 
 am interested in moving from Windows 98 to an open source operating
 system. I 
 am interested in using Lilypond and am hoping to import my finale notepad
 files 
 into the Lilypond program for further editing and printing.
 
 Two questions: 
 
 Since I am not a programmer and cannot fix bugs should I resist the urge
 to try 
 Lilypond?
 
 Can finale notepad files be easily imported into Lilypad?
 
 Thank you for your help.
 
 Steve Sedberry
 on the border of Alabama/Georgia, USA
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: music notation

[bernie arai]

i am also definitely not a programmer, and i really value the quality and
control that i get using lilypond (after migrating from finale).  it's just
a matter of making a paradigm shift from wysiwyg score editting to
text-based score engraving.

fwiw, i got finale 2000 to work on my linux box under wine without too much
hassle.  but i never ended up using it once i started learning lilypond...

bernie

On 10/31/07, notesetter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Later versions of Finale export to musicXML. Check to see if this is
 supported by a newer version of notepad. If not, you may need to have help
 from someone working with a full version of Finale.

 Good luck,

 Dave


 Graham Percival-2 wrote:
 
  The lilypond-user mailist can answer this in more detail than the bug
  list, so I have CC'd them.  The short answer is that non-programmers can
  use lilypond without problems, but I do not believe that finale files
  can be imported to lilypond.
 
  The best route is probably musicXML, but I'm not certain if finale can
  create musicxml files.
 
  Cheers,
  - Graham
 
  Steve Sedberry wrote:
  I've been using Finale Notepad, 2000 version, for the past six years or
  so and
  am interested in moving from Windows 98 to an open source operating
  system. I
  am interested in using Lilypond and am hoping to import my finale
 notepad
  files
  into the Lilypond program for further editing and printing.
 
  Two questions:
 
  Since I am not a programmer and cannot fix bugs should I resist the
 urge
  to try
  Lilypond?
 
  Can finale notepad files be easily imported into Lilypad?
 
  Thank you for your help.
 
  Steve Sedberry
  on the border of Alabama/Georgia, USA
 
 
 
 
 
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