Re: Style questions

[David Wright]

On Wed 29 Mar 2017 at 15:28:56 (+0300), Dmytro O. Redchuk wrote:
> 2017-03-29 8:46 GMT+03:00 Dmytro O. Redchuk :
> >> I have come across this reference, which claims to handle them,
> >> but I have yet to try it out:
> >>
> >> https://github.com/wbsoft/lilymusic/blob/master/include/merge-rests.ily
> > Oh, thank you, I have to try it too :)
> 
> There should be 1 in line 110
> (https://github.com/wbsoft/lilymusic/blob/master/include/merge-rests.ily#L110)
> for lilypond 2.18 (2.4 and up?)

Yes, that fixes the only snag I have seen so far which was putting
whole-measure rests under the centre line instead of the one above.

Thanks for the explanation of what you were referring to.
The toy example in the snippet could be better constructed
to test it more thoroughly; for example dotted rests.

Cheers,
David.

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Re: Style questions

[Dmytro O. Redchuk]

2017-03-29 8:46 GMT+03:00 Dmytro O. Redchuk :
>> I have come across this reference, which claims to handle them,
>> but I have yet to try it out:
>>
>> https://github.com/wbsoft/lilymusic/blob/master/include/merge-rests.ily
> Oh, thank you, I have to try it too :)

There should be 1 in line 110
(https://github.com/wbsoft/lilymusic/blob/master/include/merge-rests.ily#L110)
for lilypond 2.18 (2.4 and up?)

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Re: Style questions

[Dmytro O. Redchuk]

2017-03-28 18:16 GMT+03:00 David Wright :
> because it doesn't handle whole-measure rests...or does it now?
No, it doesn't, indeed.

> I have come across this reference, which claims to handle them,
> but I have yet to try it out:
>
> https://github.com/wbsoft/lilymusic/blob/master/include/merge-rests.ily
Oh, thank you, I have to try it too :)

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Re: Style questions

[Dmytro O. Redchuk]

2017-03-28 18:16 GMT+03:00 David Wright :
>> Having abovementioned LSR snippet: here in Ukraine quarter rests in
>> the first measure should be merged, but in the second one upper voice
>> hsould be notated as r4 r e g and two quarter rests should not be
>> merged.
>
> Am I looking at the same image? I'm struggling to find anything
> that could be r4 r4 e4 g4 within it.
No, I mentioned the snippet image in LSR:
http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=336 --- just to note that local
rules may differ.

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Re: Style questions

[Simon Albrecht]

Am 28.03.2017 um 11:09 schrieb Menu Jacques:
- should there be only one set of quarter rests under (CT.) in the 
lower staff, and if so, how can that be done (i.e. to « mask » a rest 
in a voice if there’s already one at the same point in another voice 
in the same staff)? Finale does so;


- would it be better to swap voices for the f and a quarter notes in 
the last measure (Finale does so too). I’m no keyboard player 
unfortunately, and I guess that players don’t take voices numbers into 
account as we do when using Lilypond or other scoring software.


Is this supposed to be a keyboard arrangement? Then make it a real 
keyboard arrangement, w.r.t clefs and simplifying polyphony 
If it’s not – this is no keyboard music (there was (almost) no real 
keyboard music at Binchois’ time). Music from that time should _never_ 
have two vocal parts sharing one staff. Also, definitely don’t eliminate 
any voice-crossings if you don’t intend to make an arrangement.


Best, Simon
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Re: Style questions

[David Wright]

On Tue 28 Mar 2017 at 12:16:41 (+0300), Dmytro O. Redchuk wrote:
> Regarding the first question: Lilypond can merge rests "automagically"
> --- http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=336 --- but it may depend on
> local rules.

I've used this snippet for a while now, together with
mmrest = { \once \override MultiMeasureRest.staff-position = #2 }
%% and is used thus: \mmrest R1 \mmrest R2.

because it doesn't handle whole-measure rests...or does it now?
I have come across this reference, which claims to handle them,
but I have yet to try it out:

https://github.com/wbsoft/lilymusic/blob/master/include/merge-rests.ily

> Having abovementioned LSR snippet: here in Ukraine quarter rests in
> the first measure should be merged, but in the second one upper voice
> hsould be notated as r4 r e g and two quarter rests should not be
> merged.

Am I looking at the same image? I'm struggling to find anything
that could be r4 r4 e4 g4 within it.

The zeroth¹ measure is the intonation, right? There shouldn't be a rest;
in fact, there shouldn't be two staves at that point, should there.

In my image, measure 1 stave 2 of the piece is where you want the
four quarter-rests merged into two. That would be conventional.

> 2017-03-28 12:09 GMT+03:00 Menu Jacques :
> > Hello folks,
> >
> > Two questions about the display style for Recordare's Binchois20.xml file:
> >
> > - should there be only one set of quarter rests under (CT.) in the lower
> > staff, and if so, how can that be done (i.e. to « mask » a rest in a voice
> > if there’s already one at the same point in another voice in the same
> > staff)? Finale does so;
> >
> > - would it be better to swap voices for the f and a quarter notes in the
> > last measure (Finale does so too). I’m no keyboard player unfortunately, and
> > I guess that players don’t take voices numbers into account as we do when
> > using Lilypond or other scoring software.

Do you mean you're thinking of writing the first quarter-notes in
measure 2 stave 2 with the stem up on C and down on A? I can see
no reason at all to change what's in the image. The parts cross,
that's all.

¹ counting measures in the image from zero,
  so the polyphony starts at one.

Cheers,
David.
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Re: Style questions

[Menu Jacques]

Hello Dmytro,

Thanks, that will help me a lot too!

JM

> Le 28 mars 2017 à 16:03, Dmytro O. Redchuk  a écrit :
> 
> 2017-03-28 16:50 GMT+03:00 Guy Stalnaker :
>> Oh, my! This is brilliant! I write mostly choral music and this will be
>> invaluable! Much thanks.
> Well, when you need two rests to remain separated, you can put in
> either voice before that rest:
> 
> \once \override Staff.RestCollision.positioning-done = ##t
> 
>> 
>> Guy
>> 
>> Guy Stalnaker
>> jimmyg...@gmail.com
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Re: Style questions

[Dmytro O. Redchuk]

2017-03-28 16:50 GMT+03:00 Guy Stalnaker :
> Oh, my! This is brilliant! I write mostly choral music and this will be
> invaluable! Much thanks.
Well, when you need two rests to remain separated, you can put in
either voice before that rest:

\once \override Staff.RestCollision.positioning-done = ##t

>
> Guy
>
> Guy Stalnaker
> jimmyg...@gmail.com

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Re: Style questions

[Guy Stalnaker]

Oh, my! This is brilliant! I write mostly choral music and this will be
invaluable! Much thanks.

Guy

Guy Stalnaker
jimmyg...@gmail.com

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 4:16 AM, Dmytro O. Redchuk 
wrote:

> Regarding the first question: Lilypond can merge rests "automagically"
> --- http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=336 --- but it may depend on
> local rules.
>
> Having abovementioned LSR snippet: here in Ukraine quarter rests in
> the first measure should be merged, but in the second one upper voice
> hsould be notated as r4 r e g and two quarter rests should not be
> merged.
>
> 2017-03-28 12:09 GMT+03:00 Menu Jacques :
> > Hello folks,
> >
> > Two questions about the display style for Recordare's Binchois20.xml
> file:
> >
> > - should there be only one set of quarter rests under (CT.) in the lower
> > staff, and if so, how can that be done (i.e. to « mask » a rest in a
> voice
> > if there’s already one at the same point in another voice in the same
> > staff)? Finale does so;
> >
> > - would it be better to swap voices for the f and a quarter notes in the
> > last measure (Finale does so too). I’m no keyboard player unfortunately,
> and
> > I guess that players don’t take voices numbers into account as we do when
> > using Lilypond or other scoring software.
> >
> > Thanks for your help!
> >
> > JM
> >
> >
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Re: Style questions

[Dmytro O. Redchuk]

Regarding the first question: Lilypond can merge rests "automagically"
--- http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=336 --- but it may depend on
local rules.

Having abovementioned LSR snippet: here in Ukraine quarter rests in
the first measure should be merged, but in the second one upper voice
hsould be notated as r4 r e g and two quarter rests should not be
merged.

2017-03-28 12:09 GMT+03:00 Menu Jacques :
> Hello folks,
>
> Two questions about the display style for Recordare's Binchois20.xml file:
>
> - should there be only one set of quarter rests under (CT.) in the lower
> staff, and if so, how can that be done (i.e. to « mask » a rest in a voice
> if there’s already one at the same point in another voice in the same
> staff)? Finale does so;
>
> - would it be better to swap voices for the f and a quarter notes in the
> last measure (Finale does so too). I’m no keyboard player unfortunately, and
> I guess that players don’t take voices numbers into account as we do when
> using Lilypond or other scoring software.
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> JM
>
>
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Style questions

[Menu Jacques]

Hello folks,

Two questions about the display style for Recordare's Binchois20.xml file:

- should there be only one set of quarter rests under (CT.) in the 
lower staff, and if so, how can that be done (i.e. to « mask » a rest in a 
voice if there’s already one at the same point in another voice in the same 
staff)? Finale does so;

- would it be better to swap voices for the f and a quarter notes in 
the last measure (Finale does so too). I’m no keyboard player unfortunately, 
and I guess that players don’t take voices numbers into account as we do when 
using Lilypond or other scoring software.

Thanks for your help!

JM

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