Subject: Re: lilypond manual intro

2012-09-10 Thread Peter Gentry
Having had my share of gripes re the manuals I am now a born again supporter 
- they are great (not perfect) but great.

I recommend that you download all the relevant manuals as pdfs to a folder 
withing your Lilypond data file group and use the
advanced search to check through all the manuals when you want some 
information. As an example I noticed that \markuplines now
produces an error message - one quick search for \markuplines found the changes 
manual which explained a rename - took about 20
seconds (mostly slow grey cell time).

The notation manual is particularly good - the learning manual is fine never 
seen a problem with writing exclusively in absolute. 

Like most normal people I find relative hard to get my head round and always 
end up with the wrong octave somewhere or other usually
ending up beyond the range of the human ear. If you import music from other 
programs absolute is the way to go - why is relative
favoured so much? Imagine reading a printed score if it used relative notation 
(if that were possible).

regards
Peter Gentry 



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Re: Subject: Re: lilypond manual intro

2012-09-10 Thread David Kastrup
Peter Gentry peter.gen...@sunscales.co.uk writes:

 Having had my share of gripes re the manuals I am now a born again
 supporter - they are great (not perfect) but great.

 I recommend that you download all the relevant manuals as pdfs to a
 folder withing your Lilypond data file group and use the
 advanced search to check through all the manuals when you want some
 information. As an example I noticed that \markuplines now
 produces an error message - one quick search for \markuplines found
 the changes manual which explained a rename - took about 20
 seconds (mostly slow grey cell time).

Well, it is probably hard to beat those 20 seconds, but in a pinch: you
know this worked under 2.14, so slap a
\version 2.14.2
on your file and run convert-ly -ed on it.  Chances are that convert-ly
will fix the problem or at least mention some useful thought about it.

 The notation manual is particularly good - the learning manual is fine
 never seen a problem with writing exclusively in absolute.

 Like most normal people I find relative hard to get my head round and
 always end up with the wrong octave somewhere or other usually
 ending up beyond the range of the human ear. If you import music from
 other programs absolute is the way to go - why is relative
 favoured so much?

It's nice for mostly scale-based sequences.

 Imagine reading a printed score if it used relative notation (if that
 were possible).

Staffless neumes.

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David Kastrup


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Re: Subject: Re: lilypond manual intro

2012-09-10 Thread Trevor Daniels

Peter Gentry wrote Monday, September 10, 2012 9:28 AM


 Having had my share of gripes re the manuals I am now a born again 
 supporter - they are great (not perfect) but great.

Nice to be appreciated - thanks!

 The notation manual is particularly good - the learning manual is fine never 
 seen a problem 
 with writing exclusively in absolute. 

That's fine - absolute is there for those who prefer it.

 Like most normal people I find relative hard to get my head round and always 
 end 
 up with the wrong octave somewhere or other usually ending up beyond the 
 range 
 of the human ear. 

Well, I don't think the rest of us are abnormal.  A few minutes practice for 
most
normal people is all it takes ;)  

 If you import music from other programs absolute is the way to go - why is 
 relative
 favoured so much?

For many tunes notes tend to lie quite close to the next one, so relative
is quicker to type.  Also, as you've noted above, a single mistake is very
easy to spot.  An octave mistake on a single note in polyphonic music in 
absolute notation could easily go unnoticed.

Trevor


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Re: Subject: Re: lilypond manual intro

2012-09-10 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - 
From: Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk

To: Peter Gentry peter.gen...@sunscales.co.uk; lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: lilypond manual intro


An octave mistake on a single note in polyphonic music in 
absolute notation could easily go unnoticed.


Not when I have to sing it!

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Phil Holmes

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