Re: Change the shape of treble clef
Hi David, You give most fantastic and beneficial value and support to the community and application. Rest assured it is appreciated. Andrew ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Change the shape of treble clef
Andrew Bernard writes: > Hi Karlin and Klose, > > You get a lot more than just a treble clef, although that's what the OP was > asking. You get a very refined and subtle complete font. Cadence is very > subtle. > > I tend to think of Abraham's work as what is called payware in the flight > sim world - not commercial greed but some recompense for the work put in, > and the ongoing support which is provided. Considering what you get, it's > very reasonably priced. > > There's a long thread in the archives about the reasons Abraham turned to a > payware model, after I and others questioned this move, and it is well > worth reading. I'll dig up the link later. I know there are those who hold > the view that there is something bad about paying money for any add-on to > an open source product, and there is some merit in that, but it's not an > absolute given I think. If it means support for the developer, then that's > good for the whole community. After all, some of our developers are > supported by generous donations - a indirect form of payware. One. And the proportion supporting him is minuscule, so even though the donations as such count as generous, the total amount currently is about a third of a minimum wage job. Which is why I am now looking for one of those jobs. To be fair, having had a stroke and consequently having to be consistent about my blood pressure medication has not exactly helped productivity, so the very few people still supporting me don't exactly get value I feel prooud of in return. I still try to provide technical guidance to my ability, fix a number of things, and will see 2.20 out the door eventually. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Change the shape of treble clef
Hi Karlin and Klose, You get a lot more than just a treble clef, although that's what the OP was asking. You get a very refined and subtle complete font. Cadence is very subtle. I tend to think of Abraham's work as what is called payware in the flight sim world - not commercial greed but some recompense for the work put in, and the ongoing support which is provided. Considering what you get, it's very reasonably priced. There's a long thread in the archives about the reasons Abraham turned to a payware model, after I and others questioned this move, and it is well worth reading. I'll dig up the link later. I know there are those who hold the view that there is something bad about paying money for any add-on to an open source product, and there is some merit in that, but it's not an absolute given I think. If it means support for the developer, then that's good for the whole community. After all, some of our developers are supported by generous donations - a indirect form of payware. Andrew On 8 February 2018 at 23:31, Karlin High wrote: > On 2/8/2018 12:51 AM, klose wrote: > >> Thank you but they are not free. Any manuals explaining how to do it by >> myself? >> > > Look at the font examples for Abraham Lee's Cadence, and decide if a > different treble clef is worth $39 USD for your purposes or not. > > https://www.musictypefoundry.com/product/mtf-cadence > > ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Change the shape of treble clef
On 2/8/2018 10:53 AM, Kieren MacMillan wrote: For me personally, I can definitely say I am happy I bought Cadence: I've completely switched over to Cadence as the font for my housestyle. The treble clef is the big benefit, but there are also lots of other little improvements (to my eye). Cheers, Kieren. I also love the Cadence font, it's a great choice for a house style! Although I mainly prefer Scorlatti now (my subconscious / eyes just keep wanting to gravitate towards SCORE I guess?), both fonts are just beautiful...in fact all his fonts are definitely worth checking out. https://www.musictypefoundry.com/product/mtf-scorlatti ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Change the shape of treble clef
Hi Karlin (et al.), > Look at the font examples for Abraham Lee's Cadence, and decide if a > different treble clef is worth $39 USD for your purposes or not. For me personally, I can definitely say I am happy I bought Cadence: I've completely switched over to Cadence as the font for my housestyle. The treble clef is the big benefit, but there are also lots of other little improvements (to my eye). Cheers, Kieren. Kieren MacMillan, composer ‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info ‣ email: i...@kierenmacmillan.info ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Change the shape of treble clef
Hi Hilary, Keeps getting wierder. Again different behaviour. Who can know the Mind of Google? Anyway, it's an old link that I had that is no longer current (but worked for me tonight!). Urs gave the right one. Glad you like Emmentaler, but others have different qualities, but quite subtle. On 8 February 2018 at 18:00, Hilary Snaden wrote: > On 08/02/18 06:39, klose wrote: > >> Hi Andrew, >> >> Thank you for your reply but it looks like the ink is dead? >> > > I get a Google "sign in" page, which IMV is worse than a dead link. > > (I'm happy with the Emmentaler font.) > > ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Change the shape of treble clef
On 08/02/18 06:39, klose wrote: Hi Andrew, Thank you for your reply but it looks like the ink is dead? I get a Google "sign in" page, which IMV is worse than a dead link. (I'm happy with the Emmentaler font.) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Change the shape of treble clef
On 08.02.2018 05:40, Shane Brandes wrote: What is it you don't like about that glyph? Your not the only person who has said as much and I have yet to hear a decent explanation. I think it’s simply a very characteristic glyph, one that sticks out and goes beyond the ordinary, and as such it’s going to solicit diverging opinions depending on taste. Best, Simon ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Change the shape of treble clef
On 2/8/2018 12:51 AM, klose wrote: Thank you but they are not free. Any manuals explaining how to do it by myself? Look at the font examples for Abraham Lee's Cadence, and decide if a different treble clef is worth $39 USD for your purposes or not. https://www.musictypefoundry.com/product/mtf-cadence Those come with installation instructions, apparently. https://www.musictypefoundry.com/installation#lilypond There is also a GitHub site with LilyPond fonts. It seems to have font versions from 2014. https://github.com/OpenLilyPondFonts https://github.com/OpenLilyPondFonts/cadence The LilyPond Notation Reference manual has some instructions for changing the font. http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/replacing-the-notation-font -- Karlin High Missouri, USA ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Change the shape of treble clef
Hi Klose,
Here's a possibility (v.2.19) :
%
\version "2.19"
%% Defs:
#(define-markup-command (gClef layout props thk mlt) (number? number?)
(interpret-markup layout props
(markup
(#:stencil
(make-path-stencil
'(M 1.117 -2.778
C 0.73 -2.782 0.363 -2.364 0.484 -1.981
C 0.566 -1.641 1.043 -1.54 1.285 -1.786
C 1.504 -1.997 1.418 -2.395 1.141 -2.513
C 0.996 -2.567 0.836 -2.583 1.09 -2.614
C 1.379 -2.673 1.703 -2.559 1.828 -2.278
C 1.969 -1.911 1.82 -1.395 1.766 -1.024
C 1.031 -1.169 0.277 -0.903 0.031 -0.196
C -0.129 0.323 -0.043 0.917 0.25 1.366
C 0.492 1.737 0.832 1.999 1.152 2.3
C 1.07 2.886 1 3.468 1.203 4.034
C 1.297 4.292 1.484 4.503 1.68 4.687
C 1.898 4.886 2.117 4.335 2.211 4.062
C 2.398 3.601 2.227 2.839 1.934 2.323
C 1.816 2.105 1.637 1.929 1.457 1.757
C 1.5 1.523 1.539 1.288 1.586 1.054
C 2.117 1.077 2.477 0.792 2.602 0.359
C 2.766 -0.134 2.516 -0.766 1.953 -0.977
C 2.004 -1.423 2.16 -1.927 2.004 -2.313
C 1.902 -2.567 1.656 -2.766 1.379 -2.778
C 1.293 -2.798 1.203 -2.79 1.117 -2.782
M 1.734 -0.919
C 1.621 -0.306 1.574 0.026 1.5 0.464
C 1.164 0.433 0.973 0.066 1.09 -0.22
C 1.141 -0.345 1.223 -0.407 1.359 -0.485
C 1.492 -0.563 1.387 -0.657 1.297 -0.618
C 1.031 -0.509 0.664 -0.188 0.758 0.269
C 0.816 0.569 1.059 0.917 1.398 1.023
C 1.359 1.261 1.332 1.378 1.297 1.612
C 0.887 1.234 0.332 0.753 0.348 0.155
C 0.363 -0.532 0.746 -1.071 1.734 -0.919
M 1.688 0.48
C 1.762 0.105 1.844 -0.509 1.926 -0.88
C 2.656 -0.462 2.438 0.534 1.688 0.48
M 2.016 3.776
C 1.984 4.378 1.691 4.058 1.5 3.706
C 1.313 3.366 1.273 2.894 1.352 2.468
C 1.945 3.066 2.031 3.409 2.016 3.776
Z)
thk mlt mlt #t)
\layout {
\context {
\Score
\override Clef.stencil =
#(lambda (grob)
(let* ((sz (ly:grob-property grob 'font-size 0.00))
(mlt (magstep sz))
(glyph (ly:grob-property grob 'glyph-name)))
(cond
((equal? glyph "clefs.G")
(grob-interpret-markup grob
(markup #:scale(cons mlt mlt)#:gClef 0 1)))
((equal? glyph "clefs.G_change")
(grob-interpret-markup grob
(markup #:scale(cons mlt mlt)#:gClef .01 .8)))
(else (ly:clef::print grob)
\override ClefModifier.extra-offset = #'(.3 . 0)
}
}
%% Test:
{ c' }
Cheers,
Pierre
2018-02-08 8:48 GMT+01:00 Jacques Menu Muzhic :
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> > Le 8 févr. 2018 à 07:39, klose a écrit :
> >
> > Hi Andrew,
> >
> > Thank you for your reply but it looks like the ink is dead?
>
> Intended pun, given the post subject?
>
> JM
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Re: Change the shape of treble clef
> Le 8 févr. 2018 à 07:39, klose a écrit : > > Hi Andrew, > > Thank you for your reply but it looks like the ink is dead? Intended pun, given the post subject? JM ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: The shape of treble clef
Hi Klose, See: http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=900 Which shape are you looking for ? Cheers, Pierre 2018-02-08 0:46 GMT+01:00 klose : > Hi, I am a long time Sibelius user and changed to Lilypond recently. The > only > thing I don't like so far is the shape of treble clef. Anyways to change > it? > > > > -- > Sent from: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/User-f3.html > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user > ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Change the shape of treble clef
Hi Klose, How very peculiar. While replying to you that linked worked just fine (but I did think it looked somewhat out of date re content). Now going back there as a result of your email the link is dead. Perhaps some strange web server caching kicked in a updated the dead link to a notification of that. I don't think I have ever seen that before. Meantime Urs has given the up to date link. Andrew ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Change the shape of treble clef
Thank you but they are not free. Any manuals explaining how to do it by myself? -- Sent from: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/User-f3.html ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Change the shape of treble clef
Am 8. Februar 2018 07:39:43 MEZ schrieb klose : >Hi Andrew, > >Thank you for your reply but it looks like the ink is dead? > > look at musictypefoundry.com > >-- >Sent from: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/User-f3.html > >___ >lilypond-user mailing list >lilypond-user@gnu.org >https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Change the shape of treble clef
Hi Andrew, Thank you for your reply but it looks like the ink is dead? -- Sent from: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/User-f3.html ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Change the shape of treble clef
Hi Shane, I note very briefly that regarding the design of the Cadence font by Abraham Leigh he gives this reason: In Cadence, I took the liberty of adjusting a few of the glyphs to suit my tastes better. For example, the Emmentaler treble clef is just a little too stylized for me, almost like it was intended to be a "hand-written" glyph. Nothing wrong with hand-written, but not very representative of hand- *engraven*. https://sites.google.com/site/tisimst/Home/cadence The Cadence font is intended to reproduce more of an hand punched in metal engraving look than Emmenmtaler, even though the latter is base don that concept as well. Cadence extends the details. Andrew On 8 February 2018 at 15:40, Shane Brandes wrote: > > What is it you don't like about that glyph? Your not the only person > who has said as much and I have yet to hear a decent explanation. > > ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Change the shape of treble clef
Hi klose, Welcome to lilypond. You can change pretty much every single thing in lilypond, one way or another. It admits of vast flexibility - unparalleled in fact. Our colleague here Abraham Lee (tismist) has made some very fine and eminently usable engraving fonts. You may care to check them out. It used to be difficult to adapt lilypond to use different fonts, but that is in the past and it is simple to drop these fonts in. https://sites.google.com/site/tisimst/lilypond-fonts The point being, these fonts provide clefs and accidentals as well as noteheads and so forth. Apart from using supplied fonts, lilypond also allows custom definitions of noteheads, which is what I use in my work. My noteheads have a very specific shape and ellipticity that matches the handwriting of the composer I work with, and this cannot be found in ready made fonts. I mention this as an example of how customisable lilypond is in relation to visuals. As has been mentioned, you can fashion your own clefs as you will, but that's not entirely straight forward, as it requires internal knowledge of how lilypond makes and uses fonts - but it can be learned and done. Andrew ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Change the shape of treble clef
Hi Shane, You are right, I don't like the glyph of the treble clef. In my opinion, the long line should be a straight one (like we see in Sibelius and Finale) instead of a curved one. Regards -- Sent from: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/User-f3.html ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Change the shape of treble clef
See section in the documentation 3.4.4 Replacing the notation font What is it you don't like about that glyph? Your not the only person who has said as much and I have yet to hear a decent explanation. It would also be possible to edit your own version, but it is sort of a cumbersome undertaking. That would involve using a font editor and installing the modified font. regards, Shane On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 6:02 PM, klose wrote: > As a long time Sibelius user, I recently changed into Lilypond. So far the > only thing I don't like is the treble clef shape. Is there any way to change > it? > > > > -- > Sent from: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/User-f3.html > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Change the shape of treble clef
As a long time Sibelius user, I recently changed into Lilypond. So far the only thing I don't like is the treble clef shape. Is there any way to change it? -- Sent from: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/User-f3.html ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
The shape of treble clef
Hi, I am a long time Sibelius user and changed to Lilypond recently. The only thing I don't like so far is the shape of treble clef. Anyways to change it? -- Sent from: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/User-f3.html ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Change the shape of treble clef
Hi, as a long time Sibelius user, I recently changed into Lilypond. The only thing I don't like so far is the shape of treble clef. Any ways to change it? -- Sent from: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/User-f3.html ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
