Re: Why do Lilyond Engravers have inhibitions to store their score in Mutopia?
A couple of us had started a Wiki site for Lilypond called 'WikiLily' and we collaborated on some Schubert songs. We found the MediaWiki versioning system adequate for that. Alas, my company folded on short notice and the site went with it. However, I'm working on the site at home and hope to re-launch the site in the near future. I've been studing the MediaWiki code and API and I have an extension that allows tar archives of Lilypond projects to be uploaded; the extension then converts the directory structure of the tar file into wiki subpages. Same for zip files. Anyway, I've been spending my 'sabbatical' (as I call it) working on this kind of stuff and I hope to relaunch by summer's end. Cheers, Mike On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 8:56 AM, r...@uber.name wrote: But getting back to your questions: Mutopia is nice, but I should hope that, someday, when compiling a score takes a fraction of a second and copyright law is overhauled, people will use Wikimedia Commons to store and edit all of man's written music. I can't wait until the day they bring the lilypond plugin for MediaWiki over to Wikipedia! ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Why do Lilyond Engravers have inhibitions to store their score in Mutopia?
Hello, looking at the beautiful Reubke score I ask myself again why do I have to add another link to my list, when we have a working repository for music: Mutopia. Following closely discussions on this mailing-list you will notice that tons of scores are engraved with Lilypond. (Applause!) And most of this music seems to be without any copyright restrictions. But I can seldom find them in Mutopia. And I learned a lot from the Lilypond snippets AND from the scores in Mutopia. Beside that you will find a lot of really good music over there. So my questions: - Why do Lilyond Engravers have inhibitions to store their score in Mutopia? - Are there any hidden fences which I am not able to see? - Are the copyright-restrictions the reason for keeping scores hidden? - Is Mutopia not worth contributing? - Why is Mutopia not the official music code repository for Lilypond? - Or am I misleaded? Ok, I must confess that sometimes it would be nice if for example corrections on a score could be managed by the one who put the music to Mutopia whithout having to ask Chris to do the dirty work. OK, I also find the idea of Wilbert more than intriguing to use Google code as a base for scores including some versioning control. Hajo --- ... indessen wandelt harmlos droben das Gestirn ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Why do Lilyond Engravers have inhibitions to store their score in Mutopia?
Op donderdag 16 april 2009, schreef Hajo Dezelski: looking at the beautiful Reubke score I ask myself again why do I have to add another link to my list, when we have a working repository for music: Mutopia. It is my intention to submit this score to Mutopia! (And others I created as well) I have yet to create a letter-paper version, that's the reason I did not submit yet. And I want really to have sorted out all possible mistakes (although the score is already as good as error free I think, I thoroughly checked it many times, note by note, playing and looking). best regards, Wilbert Berendsen -- Frescobaldi, LilyPond editor for KDE: http://www.frescobaldi.org/ ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Why do Lilyond Engravers have inhibitions to store their score in Mutopia?
Hello Wilbert, It was not my intention to kind of force you to submit the score to Mutopia. It was more a general reflection about the interactions between Lilypond and Mutopia. On topic: I havent worked with Google code yet (only with the other apps). Could you describe in short how you organized your workflow? Hajo --- ... indessen wandelt harmlos droben das Gestirn On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Wilbert Berendsen lily...@xs4all.nl wrote: Op donderdag 16 april 2009, schreef Hajo Dezelski: looking at the beautiful Reubke score I ask myself again why do I have to add another link to my list, when we have a working repository for music: Mutopia. It is my intention to submit this score to Mutopia! (And others I created as well) I have yet to create a letter-paper version, that's the reason I did not submit yet. And I want really to have sorted out all possible mistakes (although the score is already as good as error free I think, I thoroughly checked it many times, note by note, playing and looking). best regards, Wilbert Berendsen -- Frescobaldi, LilyPond editor for KDE: http://www.frescobaldi.org/ ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Why do Lilyond Engravers have inhibitions to store their score in Mutopia?
2009/4/16 Hajo Dezelski dl1...@googlemail.com: - Why do Lilyond Engravers have inhibitions to store their score in Mutopia? - Are there any hidden fences which I am not able to see? - Are the copyright-restrictions the reason for keeping scores hidden? - Is Mutopia not worth contributing? - Why is Mutopia not the official music code repository for Lilypond? How could all Mutopia sources be updated to a recent version? Impossible, I guess. - Or am I misleaded? Ok, I must confess that sometimes it would be nice if for example corrections on a score could be managed by the one who put the music to Mutopia whithout having to ask Chris to do the dirty work. Does Mutopia have any version control system? If I'm not wrong, it is all email-based. OK, I also find the idea of Wilbert more than intriguing to use Google code as a base for scores including some versioning control. Why it is intriguing for you? a CVS is better than none. Sorry for making more questions than answering them. As I see it, Mutopia looks more like an long-term storage than a live code repository which is what lilypond sources need. -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) www.paconet.org ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Why do Lilyond Engravers have inhibitions to store their score in Mutopia?
Hajo == Hajo Dezelski dl1...@googlemail.com writes: Hajo So my questions: Hajo - Why do Lilyond Engravers have inhibitions to store their Hajo score in Mutopia? I average at least one piece a week, and I sometimes get behind just the overhead to put my work up on my own site, let alone submit it to somewhere else. If I were to submit to an external site, the Werner Icking archive seems like a better choice than mutopia, because people who want music by a given composer or in a given style are used to looking there. Hajo - Are there any hidden fences which I am not able to see? I don't know what fences you see. Just having to organize it for submission is one fence. Having to do it again if you make a correction or improvement is another one. Hajo - Are the copyright-restrictions the reason for keeping Hajo scores hidden? Not for me; I mostly transcribe music from the 16th and early 17th centuries, so copyright isn't an issue. Hajo - Is Mutopia not worth contributing? For my purposes, probably not. If I figure out some particularly clever use of lilypond, I would believe I should contribute it to the LSR, but for a particular piece of music, I think it makes more sense to either have it on my own website or to contribute it to a more central place where people are looking for music. In other words, I don't expect people to look for a madrigal typeset in lilypond; I expect them to look for a three-part madrigal, or a madrigal by Thomas Weelkes, and mutopia doesn't particularly have a reputation in the madrigal-performing community as a place to go (unlike Werner Icking or CPDL). -- Laura (mailto:lcon...@laymusic.org http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 I have finally taught Dean that he can do anything he wants, become mayor of Denver, marry a millionairess, or become the greatest poet since Rimbaud. But he keeps rushing out to see the midget auto races. I go with him. Jack Kerouac, _On the Road_ ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Why do Lilyond Engravers have inhibitions to store their score in Mutopia?
Francisco Vila paconet.org at gmail.com writes: How could all Mutopia sources be updated to a recent version? Impossible, I guess. Not impossible, but it would take a __lot__ of work. Does Mutopia have any version control system? If I'm not wrong, it is all email-based. Subversion is used internally. It isn't open for public use as far as I know. That said Chris gladly accepts updated scores (usually through email as you say). Why it is intriguing for you? a CVS is better than none. Other repositories somewhat similar to Wilbert's (Some googling involved): http://code.google.com/p/lilymusic/ http://code.google.com/p/music-sheets/ http://github.com/horndude77/open-scores/tree/master http://github.com/svenax/bagpipemusic/tree/master http://github.com/xaviershay/sheets/tree/master http://repo.or.cz/w/opera_libre.git http://repo.or.cz/w/nenuvar.git I'm sure there are more out there. At least for me most of my stuff ends up in Mutopia eventually if possible. -Jay ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
