Re: help needed with project notation strategy

2016-02-20 Thread David Kastrup
Dave Phillips  writes:

> Since every note was hand-entered into the sequencer - I'm a guitarist
> with no music keyboard skills - I think it's a safe bet that
> everything's quantized, i.e. all durations are exactly as I wanted
> them.

Oh.  Have you thought about a chromatic button accordion or keyboard?
It's just like a 16-string guitar tuned in minor thirds and with 2-4
frets (corresponding to 3-5 button rows).  Namely, chords have shapes
you can move all over the place and transposing by one semitone means
just sliding one fret, excuse me, button row up.  Transpose by a minor
third by moving one string, pardon, button column to the side.  Nice
keyboard instrument to play by ear.

At any rate: if you have hand-entered your Midi in a grid (not relying
on mouse precision), I should think that you should find
settings/options where midi2ly's interpretation does not suck horribly.

> Thanks for the reminder re: Rosegarden, I'll try the MIDI file there
> to see how it shows up in the notation page.

It might help.  With input of that size, wasting some time on converters
before making a decision is certainly warranted.  Personally, I'd not
worry too much over durations and would be prepared to hand-edit them.
I think it's more important that you get polyphony dealt with sensibly,
or you'll likely be better off retyping from scratch.

-- 
David Kastrup

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Re: help needed with project notation strategy

2016-02-20 Thread Dave Phillips

On 02/20/2016 09:15 AM, David Kastrup wrote:

Dave Phillips  writes:


Greetings,

I wrote a piece for piano that I want to notate with LilyPond. The
piece has some difficult aspects regarding which I need some advice or
just confirmation that my strategy is sound (or not).

The piece is long, 848 measures of varying textures, styles, tempi,
and time signatures, with a playing time of about 34 minutes. I plan
to cut the file into manageable sections and hand-enter the notation
in LP code. There are unplayable parts that I'll assign to a recorded
part, though I also want to notate them.

What's your current relation to Emacs?  I'm asking because I have
half-workable text entry tools for it but they are in a state where
you'd likely also invest time in the code and its use rather than just
whatever you are going to input with it.


Thanks for that offer, David, but I'm a vi kind of guy. :)  Alas, my 
knowledge of emacs is too slim to be useful.



Other than that, there is also "rumor" for automatic pitch detection.
It does not split polyphonic stuff though.

With regard to splitting Midi tracks at split points _and_ doing Midi
quantizing/notation it might also be an idea to look at Midi sequencers
like Rosegarden.  I think that midi2ly sucks less when already dealing
with quantized Midi, so even just running stuff through Rosegarden for
quantization might help.



Since every note was hand-entered into the sequencer - I'm a guitarist 
with no music keyboard skills - I think it's a safe bet that 
everything's quantized, i.e. all durations are exactly as I wanted them.


Thanks for the reminder re: Rosegarden, I'll try the MIDI file there to 
see how it shows up in the notation page.


Best,

dp


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Re: help needed with project notation strategy

2016-02-20 Thread David Kastrup
Dave Phillips  writes:

> Greetings,
>
> I wrote a piece for piano that I want to notate with LilyPond. The
> piece has some difficult aspects regarding which I need some advice or
> just confirmation that my strategy is sound (or not).
>
> The piece is long, 848 measures of varying textures, styles, tempi,
> and time signatures, with a playing time of about 34 minutes. I plan
> to cut the file into manageable sections and hand-enter the notation
> in LP code. There are unplayable parts that I'll assign to a recorded
> part, though I also want to notate them.

What's your current relation to Emacs?  I'm asking because I have
half-workable text entry tools for it but they are in a state where
you'd likely also invest time in the code and its use rather than just
whatever you are going to input with it.

Other than that, there is also "rumor" for automatic pitch detection.
It does not split polyphonic stuff though.

With regard to splitting Midi tracks at split points _and_ doing Midi
quantizing/notation it might also be an idea to look at Midi sequencers
like Rosegarden.  I think that midi2ly sucks less when already dealing
with quantized Midi, so even just running stuff through Rosegarden for
quantization might help.

-- 
David Kastrup

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help needed with project notation strategy

2016-02-20 Thread Dave Phillips

Greetings,

I wrote a piece for piano that I want to notate with LilyPond. The piece 
has some difficult aspects regarding which I need some advice or just 
confirmation that my strategy is sound (or not).


The piece is long, 848 measures of varying textures, styles, tempi, and 
time signatures, with a playing time of about 34 minutes. I plan to cut 
the file into manageable sections and hand-enter the notation in LP 
code. There are unplayable parts that I'll assign to a recorded part, 
though I also want to notate them.


I haven't had a lot of luck with midi2ly, though I'm sure I need to 
learn how to fine-tune its output. Odd groups (7:4, 5:3, 11:4, etc) 
occur frequently, and I'm not sure how to specify their correct 
conversion with midi2ly. Also, the original sequence has both hands on a 
single track. Is there any handy way to indicate a split point for 
switching staves, i.e. a way to recognize right and left hand passages ? 
(I think I might be asking for an impossibility, would love to learn 
otherwise).


I can hand-enter it to manuscript, no trouble, but I need a digital 
publication-ready score. I figure the work will take many months, hence 
my desire to find the most efficient working method, any useful advice 
will be hugely appreciated.


Btw, I'll likely use Frescobaldi as front-end for LP.

The piece is here is anyone wants to check it out, but please understand 
I'm not advertising my music on this list. This recording sucks anyway 
sound-wise, I hadn't purchased Pianoteq then. I also plan to re-record 
the piece with that software.


https://soundcloud.com/davephillips69/piano-zero

Thanks in advance for any advice and/or suggestions for an improved 
working method.


Best regards,

Dave Phillips


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