Re: lilyglyphs LaTeX package
Hi Reinhold,
thanks for these ideas.
Am 23.08.2012 16:03, schrieb Reinhold Kainhofer:
On 15/08/2012 17:34, Urs Liska wrote:
...
Since I need those glyphs (mainly the dynamics, but also accent etc.) in
a critical report myself, I took a look at the package.
Thanks
One thing I noticed is that to print dynamics and numbers, there is no
need to resolve to their unicode number. One can simply change the font
to emmentaler and then print the normal letters/digits.
Interestingly, this is an idea I had for myself last week, but couldn't
verify without a computer (see the GitHub issues that I could comment
from the mobile ...). So thank you for your examples.
In particular, I
would suggest:
~~~
% Print some text in the emmentaler font. Works for the dynamic letters
and the digits:
\newcommand{\lilyText}[2][1.4]{{\fontspec[Scale=#1]{Emmentaler-11}{#2}}}
% Numbers and Dynamics %
\newcommand{\lilyNumber}[2][1.35]{\lilyText[#1]{#2}}
~~~
You can then print any dynamics as e.g. \lilyText{sffpzm}. And the
definition of the dynamics can also be changed to use \lilyText instead
of printing each letter separately.
And, I'm missing a \lilyFP command for forte-piano (i.e. start the note
in forte, and then quickly go to piano, kind of like an accent, but not
as sharp), \lilyFZ, \lilyFFZ and \lilyPF (all of which are used in the
Schubert piece I'm currently editing).
Well, if you want push access to the repository, you could add these
yourself.
In the long run this is what I intend anyway. But first there should be
decisions about the general issues (that affect syntax).
I'll soon start upon this ...
Time signatures (fractions) can be easily produced by
\lilyTimeSignature{3}{4} using the following definition:
% general \time n/m command (prints time signature as a fraction in
emmentaler font)
\newcommand*{\lilyTimeSignature}[3][0.9]{$\frac{\mbox{\lilyText[#1]{#2}}}{\mbox{\lilyText[#1]{#3}}}$}
Well, I didn't have a computer the last two weeks, but read some texts
about latex. And what you suggest is about what I thought about also
recently ;-)
Since the plus sign is also directly accessible you can even write
\lilyTimeSignature{3+7}{4}
easily.
I won't immediately incorporate it though because there has to be some
more thinking about the parametrization of scaling and placing. I'd like
to put these things right (as well as the option to integrate a plain
latex solution) before adding anything new.
BTW, the installation of the font was really as simple as you describe:
1) Copy the emmentaler-*.otf files to ~/.fonts
2) run fc-cache
Nice, but there is also one more thing to check:
fontspec is smart enough to select the correct optical sizes for optical
font families from Adobe (so if I write \scriptsize I automatically find
the 'XX caption' font in the PDF). It would be nice if this worked for
Emmentaler also, and if it does one should include all the font files
instead of only one.
As mentioned I'll soon get back to this package ...
Best
Urs
Cheers,
Reinhold
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Re: lilyglyphs LaTeX package
On 15/08/2012 17:34, Urs Liska wrote:
As this may well be useful for anybody writing about music with LaTeX,
I decided to make a package out of it. The project is hosted at
https://github.com/uliska/lilyglyphs.
The package is already useable, but there will be some syntax changes
in the near future, so I'd rather not use it extensively (you can see
the issues in the tracker to get an impression).
For now there are a few predefined commands for glyphs, and a generic
command to access glyphs by their name, so anything should already be
possible.
Since I need those glyphs (mainly the dynamics, but also accent etc.) in
a critical report myself, I took a look at the package.
One thing I noticed is that to print dynamics and numbers, there is no
need to resolve to their unicode number. One can simply change the font
to emmentaler and then print the normal letters/digits. In particular, I
would suggest:
~~~
% Print some text in the emmentaler font. Works for the dynamic letters
and the digits:
\newcommand{\lilyText}[2][1.4]{{\fontspec[Scale=#1]{Emmentaler-11}{#2}}}
% Numbers and Dynamics %
\newcommand{\lilyNumber}[2][1.35]{\lilyText[#1]{#2}}
~~~
You can then print any dynamics as e.g. \lilyText{sffpzm}. And the
definition of the dynamics can also be changed to use \lilyText instead
of printing each letter separately.
And, I'm missing a \lilyFP command for forte-piano (i.e. start the note
in forte, and then quickly go to piano, kind of like an accent, but not
as sharp), \lilyFZ, \lilyFFZ and \lilyPF (all of which are used in the
Schubert piece I'm currently editing).
Time signatures (fractions) can be easily produced by
\lilyTimeSignature{3}{4} using the following definition:
% general \time n/m command (prints time signature as a fraction in
emmentaler font)
\newcommand*{\lilyTimeSignature}[3][0.9]{$\frac{\mbox{\lilyText[#1]{#2}}}{\mbox{\lilyText[#1]{#3}}}$}
BTW, the installation of the font was really as simple as you describe:
1) Copy the emmentaler-*.otf files to ~/.fonts
2) run fc-cache
Cheers,
Reinhold
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Re: lilyglyphs LaTeX package
Hi Reinhold, Werner and Philippe, thanks for your feedback. Here are a few ideas before I finally leave. [I won't read this list (from tomorrow), so if you want to contact me in the next weeks, please write to g...@ursliska.de] My package works with XeLaTeX because I decided to use this flavor. Actually the possibility to access OpenType fonts and features that way was the final point for my decision to seriously jump into LaTeX use. As Philippe and Werner pointed out there are ways to use Emmentaler glyphs also in plain LaTeX, but I won't actively go after this. What I propose, and what I think is quite possible, is: * There is the generic access command (\lilyGlyph ATM) * This command is then called by the predefined commands (such as e.g. \doublesharp) and can be called within a LaTeX document. * If we can manage to keep the interface to this generic command consistent I would be happy to include another 'backend'. * I think that the generic access command could become rather an 'interface' command. Depending on an option that can be passed to the package, the interface command would then call the appropriate generic access command. * Maybe it's necessary to somehow create a lookup table to map the Type1 numbers to the OpenType glyphnames. I found this for example: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/comp.text.tex/MDzy2xNUC84[1-25] - which could be of help. * If that works, everything that comes at a higher level (i.e. the actual glyph commands) could be independent of the used LaTeX flavor. This has a few consequences: * There will be the need for more discussion and design before my prospected first official '0.1' release - but I think it would be worth the time and effort. * I won't be able to add new glyphs before this design phase is finished (because I'm afraid of having to update all the commands due to changed syntax). This is principally OK with me, but could cause some headaches because I started all this for a current project - and I think this revision report will be quite long, and I need the glyphs for it ... * I probably won't / can't do anything about the 'plain LaTeX backend' - just because I don't know anything about it, and I can't afford the time developing something I won't ever use myself. * ATM the stuff of integrating two 'backends' through package options seems over my head (as I'm practically new to LaTeX). Maybe I will learn it on the way, but any assistance in this field would be appreciated. Best for now Urs Am 15.08.2012 17:34, schrieb Urs Liska: Hi list, this is somewhat OT, but only slightly, I think. In need to insert music glyphs in continuous text (for writing a revision report) I successfully found out how to insert glyphs from LilyPond's Emmentaler font in (Xe)LaTeX documents and wrote a few first commands (thanks to Google and Werner Lemberg). As this may well be useful for anybody writing about music with LaTeX, I decided to make a package out of it. The project is hosted at https://github.com/uliska/lilyglyphs. The package is already useable, but there will be some syntax changes in the near future, so I'd rather not use it extensively (you can see the issues in the tracker to get an impression). For now there are a few predefined commands for glyphs, and a generic command to access glyphs by their name, so anything should already be possible. In the download section there is a pdf that documents how it works so far and also gives a good impression on what it looks like. You may either clone into the repository or download the package archive from the download page. So far there aren't any useful installation instructions, but I think it should work. You can place a symlink to the .sty file and a symlink to the definitions/ directory in the directory of your .tex file, and it should work. I will be away for two weeks but would be happy to find a few collaborators afterwards to join the project. a) there are a few issues that I would prefer not to decide alone but rather discuss, b) a few issues with LaTeX programming where I'd appreciate some help, and c) the ultimate goal is to cover the whole glyph set, but this will only become reality with several contributors. I will happily work on glyphs that I use personally, but there are so many things I won't use ... I hope this is on interest to anybody. Please feel free to forward this message to whom it may concern ... Best Urs ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Subject: Re: lilyglyphs LaTeX package
Dear Urs, how can I install this package in my xelatex-system on ubuntu? Hi Reinhold, Werner and Philippe, thanks for your feedback. Here are a few ideas before I finally leave. [I won't read this list (from tomorrow), so if you want to contact me in the next weeks, please write to g...@ursliska.de] My package works with XeLaTeX because I decided to use this flavor. Actually the possibility to access OpenType fonts and features that way was the final point for my decision to seriously jump into LaTeX use. As Philippe and Werner pointed out there are ways to use Emmentaler glyphs also in plain LaTeX, but I won't actively go after this. What I propose, and what I think is quite possible, is: * There is the generic access command (\lilyGlyph ATM) * This command is then called by the predefined commands (such as e.g. \doublesharp) and can be called within a LaTeX document. * If we can manage to keep the interface to this generic command consistent I would be happy to include another 'backend'. * I think that the generic access command could become rather an 'interface' command. Depending on an option that can be passed to the package, the interface command would then call the appropriate generic access command. * Maybe it's necessary to somehow create a lookup table to map the Type1 numbers to the OpenType glyphnames. I found this for example: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/comp.text.tex/MDzy2xNUC84[1-25] - which could be of help. * If that works, everything that comes at a higher level (i.e. the actual glyph commands) could be independent of the used LaTeX flavor. This has a few consequences: * There will be the need for more discussion and design before my prospected first official '0.1' release - but I think it would be worth the time and effort. * I won't be able to add new glyphs before this design phase is finished (because I'm afraid of having to update all the commands due to changed syntax). This is principally OK with me, but could cause some headaches because I started all this for a current project - and I think this revision report will be quite long, and I need the glyphs for it ... * I probably won't / can't do anything about the 'plain LaTeX backend' - just because I don't know anything about it, and I can't afford the time developing something I won't ever use myself. * ATM the stuff of integrating two 'backends' through package options seems over my head (as I'm practically new to LaTeX). Maybe I will learn it on the way, but any assistance in this field would be appreciated. Best for now Urs Am 15.08.2012 17:34, schrieb Urs Liska: Hi list, this is somewhat OT, but only slightly, I think. In need to insert music glyphs in continuous text (for writing a revision report) I successfully found out how to insert glyphs from LilyPond's Emmentaler font in (Xe)LaTeX documents and wrote a few first commands (thanks to Google and Werner Lemberg). As this may well be useful for anybody writing about music with LaTeX, I decided to make a package out of it. The project is hosted at https://github.com/uliska/lilyglyphs. The package is already useable, but there will be some syntax changes in the near future, so I'd rather not use it extensively (you can see the issues in the tracker to get an impression). For now there are a few predefined commands for glyphs, and a generic command to access glyphs by their name, so anything should already be possible. In the download section there is a pdf that documents how it works so far and also gives a good impression on what it looks like. You may either clone into the repository or download the package archive from the download page. So far there aren't any useful installation instructions, but I think it should work. You can place a symlink to the .sty file and a symlink to the definitions/ directory in the directory of your .tex file, and it should work. I will be away for two weeks but would be happy to find a few collaborators afterwards to join the project. a) there are a few issues that I would prefer not to decide alone but rather discuss, b) a few issues with LaTeX programming where I'd appreciate some help, and c) the ultimate goal is to cover the whole glyph set, but this will only become reality with several contributors. I will happily work on glyphs that I use personally, but there are so many things I won't use ... I hope this is on interest to anybody. Please feel free to forward this message to whom it may concern ... Best Urs __ _ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Subject: Re: lilyglyphs LaTeX package
The package doesn't have real installation instructions (or even an installation procedure) yet (something for 0.1, a first official release). Fortunately xelatex-ubuntu is what I have, so I can tell you how you will make it work. One issue is that there are included files in a subfolder. (I assume I'll have to do something about that for a 'real' packaged version.) As a dirty quick 'installation' I recommend: * place lilyglyphs.sty and the complete definitions/ folder somewhere on your disk, e.g. in a directory ~/lilyglyphs. * place the Emmentaler OTF file from the OTF folder in ~/.fonts (Maybe you have to run fc-cache afterwards to update your fontconfig cache - but I don't know for sure, I can't do any harm anyway) * create symlinks to lilyglyphs.sty and the definitions/ folder _in the directory_ where your .tex file is located: ln -s ~/lilyglyphs/lilyglyphs.sty ln -s ~/lilyglyphs/definitions - This is going to pretend that the package is in the same dir as your .tex file. Alternatively you can (for testing the package) put your .tex file in the directory where lilyglyphs.sty is. You may get long lists of 'kpathsea' errors. This is what I had on some of my computers (not only with this package but also earlier with other OpenType fonts and fontspec). I finally found out that this happened when I had 'activated' the respective fonts with a font manager (FontMatrix). When all these references were away, fontspec worked fine. Hope this helps (works) Best Urs Am 16.08.2012 13:37, schrieb Stefan Thomas: Dear Urs, how can I install this package in my xelatex-system on ubuntu? ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Subject: Re: lilyglyphs LaTeX package
* place lilyglyphs.sty and the complete definitions/ folder somewhere on your disk, e.g. in a directory ~/lilyglyphs. * create symlinks to lilyglyphs.sty and the definitions/ folder _in the directory_ where your .tex file is located: ln -s ~/lilyglyphs/lilyglyphs.sty ln -s ~/lilyglyphs/definitions - This is going to pretend that the package is in the same dir as your .tex file. Alternatively you can (for testing the package) put your .tex file in the directory where lilyglyphs.sty is. Ouch. Why not simply put it into your local TEXMF folder, usually ~/texmf? Then you don't have to do any further links! If it doesn't exist yet, you should create it. An appropiate subdirectory is ~/texmf/tex/xelatex/lilyglyphs/ Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Subject: Re: lilyglyphs LaTeX package
Am 16.08.2012 13:57, schrieb Werner LEMBERG: * place lilyglyphs.sty and the complete definitions/ folder somewhere on your disk, e.g. in a directory ~/lilyglyphs. * create symlinks to lilyglyphs.sty and the definitions/ folder _in the directory_ where your .tex file is located: ln -s ~/lilyglyphs/lilyglyphs.sty ln -s ~/lilyglyphs/definitions - This is going to pretend that the package is in the same dir as your .tex file. Alternatively you can (for testing the package) put your .tex file in the directory where lilyglyphs.sty is. Ouch. Why not simply put it into your local TEXMF folder, usually ~/texmf? Then you don't have to do any further links! If it doesn't exist yet, you should create it. An appropiate subdirectory is ~/texmf/tex/xelatex/lilyglyphs/ Oops, didn't think this would work with the subfolder ... Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Subject: Re: lilyglyphs LaTeX package
~/texmf/tex/xelatex/lilyglyphs/ Oops, didn't think this would work with the subfolder ... This gets searched recursively by default. Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Subject: Re: lilyglyphs LaTeX package
Now I know that, thanks :-) Just had to exclude this from the git repo that controls my texmf dir ;-) Best Urs Am 16.08.2012 14:29, schrieb Werner LEMBERG: ~/texmf/tex/xelatex/lilyglyphs/ Oops, didn't think this would work with the subfolder ... This gets searched recursively by default. Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
lilyglyphs LaTeX package
Hi list, this is somewhat OT, but only slightly, I think. In need to insert music glyphs in continuous text (for writing a revision report) I successfully found out how to insert glyphs from LilyPond's Emmentaler font in (Xe)LaTeX documents and wrote a few first commands (thanks to Google and Werner Lemberg). As this may well be useful for anybody writing about music with LaTeX, I decided to make a package out of it. The project is hosted at https://github.com/uliska/lilyglyphs. The package is already useable, but there will be some syntax changes in the near future, so I'd rather not use it extensively (you can see the issues in the tracker to get an impression). For now there are a few predefined commands for glyphs, and a generic command to access glyphs by their name, so anything should already be possible. In the download section there is a pdf that documents how it works so far and also gives a good impression on what it looks like. You may either clone into the repository or download the package archive from the download page. So far there aren't any useful installation instructions, but I think it should work. You can place a symlink to the .sty file and a symlink to the definitions/ directory in the directory of your .tex file, and it should work. I will be away for two weeks but would be happy to find a few collaborators afterwards to join the project. a) there are a few issues that I would prefer not to decide alone but rather discuss, b) a few issues with LaTeX programming where I'd appreciate some help, and c) the ultimate goal is to cover the whole glyph set, but this will only become reality with several contributors. I will happily work on glyphs that I use personally, but there are so many things I won't use ... I hope this is on interest to anybody. Please feel free to forward this message to whom it may concern ... Best Urs ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lilyglyphs LaTeX package
On 2012-08-15 17:34, Urs Liska wrote: this is somewhat OT, but only slightly, I think. No, it's not at all OT! It's actually very on-topic for all lilypond-users (in particular also for those who use lilypond-book). In need to insert music glyphs in continuous text (for writing a revision report) I successfully found out how to insert glyphs from LilyPond's Emmentaler font in (Xe)LaTeX documents and wrote a few first commands (thanks to Google and Werner Lemberg). As this may well be useful for anybody writing about music with LaTeX, I decided to make a package out of it. The project is hosted at https://github.com/uliska/lilyglyphs. That's really great! I have in the past tried unsuccessfully to create such a package for latex, because I also needed the emmentaler glyphs in the critical reports of my editions. Apparently, your package only works with xelatex, not with normal latex. Any idea how to make the glyphs available without using xelatex? Cheers, Reinhold -- -- Reinhold Kainhofer, reinh...@kainhofer.com, http://www.kainhofer.com * Financial Actuarial Math., Vienna Univ. of Technology, Austria * http://www.fam.tuwien.ac.at/, DVR: 0005886 * Edition Kainhofer, Music Publisher, http://www.edition-kainhofer.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lilyglyphs LaTeX package
Hello, I'll have a look at it in the next few days. As you perhaps saw previously on this list, I worked last year on a LaTeX package including lilypond glyphs. If you want to have a look and if you find something usefull in it, feel free to use, adapt and so on (I don't know when I'll have time to work on it further). My main concerns are : - my package has only fixed size glyphs. With text smaller than 11 or bigger than 12pt, glyphs do not fit well in the flow of the text. - I use mostly pdfLaTeX, and didn't test it extensively with XeLaTeX - a usefull thing, based to the harmony.sty package (developed by 2 german students) is the ability to use lilypond font for time signature, as well as supporting compound (3+2+3/2) ou abbreviate (C) time signatures. https://github.com/philmassart/Feta-to-LaTeX https://github.com/philmassart/Feta-to-LaTeX I would be happy if it could be of any help for anyone. Philippe -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/lilyglyphs-LaTeX-package-tp130682p130688.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lilyglyphs LaTeX package
Any idea how to make the glyphs available without using xelatex? For plain LaTeX, I suggest to use the Type 1~fonts (feta-alphabet, parmesan, etc.). While fontforge is building the Emmentaler fonts during a `make all' lilypond build, the necessary .enc and .tfm files are automatically created as a byproduct. Based on the .enc files, it's rather straightforward to write a script which creates some TeX or LaTeX code to map glyph indices to appropriate macros. Contrary to the XeTeX approach, however, the mappings change if new glyphs get inserted; this means that the mappings are bound to a specific lilypond version. Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
