Re: subito PP
On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 at 10:12, Benjamin Tordoff wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm typesetting a score that uses "subito p" and "subito pp" in a couple of places. I've found snippets explaining how to get this to look right (subito in normal italics, the "p" or "pp" in dynamic font), and another snippet showing how to create a custom dynamic that correctly sets the midi volume, but not one that does both. What is the best way to add a text prefix to a dynamic whilst also retaining the dynamic's effect on MIDI output? > Hello, You could adapt Graham's "make-dynamic-extra" into a "make-extra-dynamic". https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2011-06/msg00335.html IIRC the alignment was correct (dynamic part was aligned on note head ) and it was correctly recognized for MIDI generation. https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2017-08/msg00381.html Cheers, Xavier -- Xavier Scheuer
Re: subito PP
Jean Abou Samra writes:
> Le 17/07/2022 à 19:14, Benjamin Tordoff a écrit :
>> Thanks David & Jean, both approaches work well and look good. The
>> original indications were left aligned to the note so the alignment
>> adjustment isn't needed in this case. I have no idea if one of these
>> is technically superior to the other, although I suspect the fact I
>> need both sub.P and sub.PP means less code with David's approach.
>>
>> I wonder if this could be added to the snippet examples about
>> defining new dynamics? I don't think I would have stood any chance
>> of finding either solution without your help, and I suspect I'm not
>> the only one who might need this.
>
>
> Well, I don't like documenting stuff that I would like to see improved
> in the first place. It would make a lot more sense to carry the volume
> in the event so you could implement a function used like
>
> subPP = \dynamic #0.5 \markup { sub. \dynamic pp }
Agreed. Incidentally, my approach doesn't care just how the MIDI volume
is derived and would continue to work even after such a change of
implementation.
--
David Kastrup
Re: subito PP
Le 17/07/2022 à 19:14, Benjamin Tordoff a écrit :
Thanks David & Jean, both approaches work well and look good. The
original indications were left aligned to the note so the alignment
adjustment isn't needed in this case. I have no idea if one of these
is technically superior to the other, although I suspect the fact I
need both sub.P and sub.PP means less code with David's approach.
I wonder if this could be added to the snippet examples about defining
new dynamics? I don't think I would have stood any chance of finding
either solution without your help, and I suspect I'm not the only one
who might need this.
Well, I don't like documenting stuff that I would like to see improved
in the first place. It would make a lot more sense to carry the volume
in the event so you could implement a function used like
subPP = \dynamic #0.5 \markup { sub. \dynamic pp }
Jean
Re: subito PP
Thanks David & Jean, both approaches work well and look good. The original
indications were left aligned to the note so the alignment adjustment isn't
needed in this case. I have no idea if one of these is technically superior to
the other, although I suspect the fact I need both sub.P and sub.PP means less
code with David's approach.
I wonder if this could be added to the snippet examples about defining new
dynamics? I don't think I would have stood any chance of finding either
solution without your help, and I suspect I'm not the only one who might need
this.
Thanks
Ben
> On 17 Jul 2022, at 18:06, David Kastrup wrote:
>
> Jean Abou Samra mailto:j...@abou-samra.fr>> writes:
>
>> Le 17/07/2022 à 10:11, Benjamin Tordoff a écrit :
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm typesetting a score that uses "subito p" and "subito pp" in a couple of
>>> places. I've found snippets explaining how to get this to look right
>>> (subito in normal italics, the "p" or "pp" in dynamic font), and another
>>> snippet showing how to create a custom dynamic that correctly sets the midi
>>> volume, but not one that does both. What is the best way to add a text
>>> prefix to a dynamic whilst also retaining the dynamic's effect on MIDI
>>> output?
>>>
>>> \version "2.23.10"
>>> subPP = \markup{ \italic{sub.} \dynamic pp }
>>>
>>> \score {
>>> {
>>> c'2-\ff c'2-\subPP % Volume should be pp but is still ff
>>> }
>>> \layout {}
>>> \midi {}
>>> }
>>
>>
>> How about something like this:
>>
>> \version "2.22.2"
>>
>> subPPMarkup = \markup { \normal-text \italic { sub. } pp }
>> subPP = #(make-dynamic-script subPPMarkup)
>>
>> \midi {
>> \context {
>> \Score
>> dynamicAbsoluteVolumeFunction =
>> #(lambda (dyn)
>> (if (equal? dyn subPPMarkup)
>> 0.3
>> (default-dynamic-absolute-volume dyn)))
>> }
>> }
>
> It may be more convenient to just tamper with the visuals of a command,
> like
>
> \version "2.22.2"
>
> subx = #(define-event-function (fun) (ly:event?)
>#{ -\tweak stencil #(lambda (g)
> (grob-interpret-markup g
> #{ \markup \concat { \with-dimensions #'(0 . 0)
> #'(0 . 0)
> \right-align
>\normal-text \italic "sub.
> "
>#(ly:grob-property g
> 'text) }
> #}))
> #fun #})
>
> subPP = \subx \pp
>
> \score {
> {
>c'8\\< d'8 e'8 f'8 g'8 a'8 b'8 c''8 |
>c''8\f b'8 a'8 g'8 f'8\subPP e'8 d'8 c'8 }
> \layout { }
> \midi { }
> }
>
> Note that I put in some effort to stop "sub." from changing the
> alignment. If that's undesired, removing
>
>\with-dimension #'(0 . 0) #'(0 . 0)
>
> should do the trick.
>
> --
> David Kastrup
Re: subito PP
David Kastrup writes:
> Jean Abou Samra writes:
>
>> Le 17/07/2022 à 10:11, Benjamin Tordoff a écrit :
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm typesetting a score that uses "subito p" and "subito pp" in a couple of
>>> places. I've found snippets explaining how to get this to look right
>>> (subito in normal italics, the "p" or "pp" in dynamic font), and another
>>> snippet showing how to create a custom dynamic that correctly sets the midi
>>> volume, but not one that does both. What is the best way to add a text
>>> prefix to a dynamic whilst also retaining the dynamic's effect on MIDI
>>> output?
>>>
>>> \version "2.23.10"
>>> subPP = \markup{ \italic{sub.} \dynamic pp }
>>>
>>> \score {
>>>{
>>> c'2-\ff c'2-\subPP % Volume should be pp but is still ff
>>>}
>>>\layout {}
>>>\midi {}
>>> }
>>
>>
>> How about something like this:
>>
>> \version "2.22.2"
>>
>> subPPMarkup = \markup { \normal-text \italic { sub. } pp }
>> subPP = #(make-dynamic-script subPPMarkup)
>>
>> \midi {
>> \context {
>> \Score
>> dynamicAbsoluteVolumeFunction =
>> #(lambda (dyn)
>> (if (equal? dyn subPPMarkup)
>> 0.3
>> (default-dynamic-absolute-volume dyn)))
>> }
>> }
>
> It may be more convenient to just tamper with the visuals of a command,
> like
>
> \version "2.22.2"
>
> subx = #(define-event-function (fun) (ly:event?)
>#{ -\tweak stencil #(lambda (g)
> (grob-interpret-markup g
> #{ \markup \concat { \with-dimensions #'(0 . 0)
> #'(0 . 0)
> \right-align
>\normal-text \italic "sub.
> "
>#(ly:grob-property g
> 'text) }
> #}))
> #fun #})
>
> subPP = \subx \pp
>
> \score {
> {
> c'8\\< d'8 e'8 f'8 g'8 a'8 b'8 c''8 |
> c''8\f b'8 a'8 g'8 f'8\subPP e'8 d'8 c'8 }
> \layout { }
> \midi { }
> }
>
>
> Note that I put in some effort to stop "sub." from changing the
> alignment. If that's undesired, removing
>
> \with-dimension #'(0 . 0) #'(0 . 0)
>
> should do the trick.
Actually it might make more sense to name this \subito rather than \subx
as you can perfectly well just write \subito \pp in the score without
defining an extra command for it.
--
David Kastrup
Re: subito PP
Jean Abou Samra writes:
> Le 17/07/2022 à 10:11, Benjamin Tordoff a écrit :
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm typesetting a score that uses "subito p" and "subito pp" in a couple of
>> places. I've found snippets explaining how to get this to look right (subito
>> in normal italics, the "p" or "pp" in dynamic font), and another snippet
>> showing how to create a custom dynamic that correctly sets the midi volume,
>> but not one that does both. What is the best way to add a text prefix to a
>> dynamic whilst also retaining the dynamic's effect on MIDI output?
>>
>> \version "2.23.10"
>> subPP = \markup{ \italic{sub.} \dynamic pp }
>>
>> \score {
>>{
>> c'2-\ff c'2-\subPP % Volume should be pp but is still ff
>>}
>>\layout {}
>>\midi {}
>> }
>
>
> How about something like this:
>
> \version "2.22.2"
>
> subPPMarkup = \markup { \normal-text \italic { sub. } pp }
> subPP = #(make-dynamic-script subPPMarkup)
>
> \midi {
> \context {
> \Score
> dynamicAbsoluteVolumeFunction =
> #(lambda (dyn)
> (if (equal? dyn subPPMarkup)
> 0.3
> (default-dynamic-absolute-volume dyn)))
> }
> }
It may be more convenient to just tamper with the visuals of a command,
like
\version "2.22.2"
subx = #(define-event-function (fun) (ly:event?)
#{ -\tweak stencil #(lambda (g)
(grob-interpret-markup g
#{ \markup \concat { \with-dimensions #'(0 . 0) #'(0 . 0)
\right-align
\normal-text \italic "sub. "
#(ly:grob-property g 'text) }
#}))
#fun #})
subPP = \subx \pp
\score {
{
c'8\\< d'8 e'8 f'8 g'8 a'8 b'8 c''8 |
c''8\f b'8 a'8 g'8 f'8\subPP e'8 d'8 c'8 }
\layout { }
\midi { }
}
Note that I put in some effort to stop "sub." from changing the
alignment. If that's undesired, removing
\with-dimension #'(0 . 0) #'(0 . 0)
should do the trick.
--
David Kastrup
Re: subito PP
Le 17/07/2022 à 10:11, Benjamin Tordoff a écrit :
Hi all,
I'm typesetting a score that uses "subito p" and "subito pp" in a couple of places. I've found
snippets explaining how to get this to look right (subito in normal italics, the "p" or "pp" in
dynamic font), and another snippet showing how to create a custom dynamic that correctly sets the midi volume, but not
one that does both. What is the best way to add a text prefix to a dynamic whilst also retaining the dynamic's effect
on MIDI output?
\version "2.23.10"
subPP = \markup{ \italic{sub.} \dynamic pp }
\score {
{
c'2-\ff c'2-\subPP % Volume should be pp but is still ff
}
\layout {}
\midi {}
}
How about something like this:
\version "2.22.2"
subPPMarkup = \markup { \normal-text \italic { sub. } pp }
subPP = #(make-dynamic-script subPPMarkup)
\midi {
\context {
\Score
dynamicAbsoluteVolumeFunction =
#(lambda (dyn)
(if (equal? dyn subPPMarkup)
0.3
(default-dynamic-absolute-volume dyn)))
}
}
\score {
{
c'8\\< d'8 e'8 f'8 g'8 a'8 b'8 c''8 |
c''8\f b'8 a'8 g'8 f'8\subPP e'8 d'8 c'8 }
\layout { }
\midi { }
}
See also the snippet"Creating custom dynamics in MIDI output"
at
https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.22/Documentation/notation/controlling-midi-dynamics.html
Best,
Jean
Re: subito PP
Thanks for the suggestion. Unless I'm doing something wrong this still seems to
leave the volume unchanged (I put a normal \pp in the subsequent bar to check
and playing the midi back in GarageBand I only hear the volume change on the
\pp not the \subPP).
Any further suggestions? Is there a way to manually insert a volume change as a
workaround (i.e. do an invisible \pp)?
Thanks
Ben
> On 17 Jul 2022, at 14:43, Eef Weenink wrote:
>
> try this;
>
> \version "2.23.10"
>
> subPP =
> #(make-dynamic-script
> (markup #:line
> (#:normal-text
>#:italic "sub."
>#:dynamic "pp")))
>
> \score {
> {
>c'2-\ff c'2-\subPP % Volume should be pp but is still ff
> }
> \layout {}
> \midi {}
> }
>
>
>
>
>> Op 17 jul. 2022, om 10:11 heeft Benjamin Tordoff > > het volgende geschreven:
>>
>> \version "2.23.10"
>> subPP = \markup{ \italic{sub.} \dynamic pp }
>>
>> \score {
>> {
>>c'2-\ff c'2-\subPP % Volume should be pp but is still ff
>> }
>> \layout {}
>> \midi {}
>> }
>
Re: subito PP
try this;
\version "2.23.10"
subPP =
#(make-dynamic-script
(markup #:line
(#:normal-text
#:italic "sub."
#:dynamic "pp")))
\score {
{
c'2-\ff c'2-\subPP % Volume should be pp but is still ff
}
\layout {}
\midi {}
}
Op 17 jul. 2022, om 10:11 heeft Benjamin Tordoff
mailto:ben.tord...@me.com>> het volgende geschreven:
\version "2.23.10"
subPP = \markup{ \italic{sub.} \dynamic pp }
\score {
{
c'2-\ff c'2-\subPP % Volume should be pp but is still ff
}
\layout {}
\midi {}
}
subito PP
Hi all,
I'm typesetting a score that uses "subito p" and "subito pp" in a couple of
places. I've found snippets explaining how to get this to look right (subito in
normal italics, the "p" or "pp" in dynamic font), and another snippet showing
how to create a custom dynamic that correctly sets the midi volume, but not one
that does both. What is the best way to add a text prefix to a dynamic whilst
also retaining the dynamic's effect on MIDI output?
\version "2.23.10"
subPP = \markup{ \italic{sub.} \dynamic pp }
\score {
{
c'2-\ff c'2-\subPP % Volume should be pp but is still ff
}
\layout {}
\midi {}
}
Thanks
Ben
