suggestion for emproving NR: fingering istructions
Hi, from my privileged position of newbie ;-) I have a suggestion for a very tiny edit in the Notation Reference which might ease the understanding for new users. This is the page (section Selected Snippets): http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/Inside-the-staff#Fingering-instructions What is missing there, IMHO, is a clear statement like left-hand fingerings must be entered within a chord construct (i.e.: even single notes must be enclosed by ). There is a similar sentence in the right-hand fingering chapter: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/Common-notation-for-fretted-strings#Right_002dhand-fingerings So why don't you add in the left-hand as well? I've lost hours trying to figure out why left orientation worked just for chords and not for single notes. That sentence would have saved me a lot of time and frustration. Best regards, Federico ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: suggestion for emproving NR: fingering istructions
Federico Bruni wrote: from my privileged position of newbie ;-) I have a suggestion for a very tiny edit in the Notation Reference which might ease the understanding for new users. This is the page (section Selected Snippets): http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/Inside-the-staff#Fingering-instructions What is missing there, IMHO, is a clear statement like left-hand fingerings must be entered within a chord construct (i.e.: even single notes must be enclosed by ). There is a similar sentence in the right-hand fingering chapter: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/Common-notation-for-fretted-strings#Right_002dhand-fingerings So why don't you add in the left-hand as well? I've lost hours trying to figure out why left orientation worked just for chords and not for single notes. That sentence would have saved me a lot of time and frustration. Sorry to hear about your frustrations -- I totally understand! And thanks (very much) for alerting us to a potential source of confusion. Remember that LilyPond is still a work-in-progress, and everyone can help! We usually try to clarify sources of confusion pretty quickly, so these reports are useful. However, it's better to offer suggestions like this to the developers' mailing list at lilypond-de...@gnu.org. archive - http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/ subscribe - http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel I guess the best place to add this would be in the snippet called Controlling the placement of chord fingerings in the Fingering instructions section. Probably the title should be changed to Controlling the placement of fingerings, because apparently the placement of single-note fingerings is also dependent on the ... construct. The snippet *does* provide examples of single notes enclosed in ..., but I admit it would be easy for a novice to overlook the significance of this. Valentin, would it be as simple as updating the LSR? I thought I might have read that the current way of generating snippets in the documentation is under consideration, and may be changing soon? Anyway, if it's as simple as updating the LSR, you can use the update included below. Thanks. - Mark *** Title *** Controlling the placement of fingerings A description of the problem and its solution: The placement of fingering numbers can be controlled precisely. Note that this requires fingerings to be entered within a chord construct , even when applied to a single note. The Lilypond source code snippet (it must compile!): same as before ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: suggestion for emproving NR: fingering istructions
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: Federico Bruni wrote: from my privileged position of newbie ;-) I have a suggestion for a very tiny edit in the Notation Reference which might ease the understanding for new users. This is the page (section Selected Snippets): http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/Inside-the-staff#Fingering-instructions What is missing there, IMHO, is a clear statement like left-hand fingerings must be entered within a chord construct (i.e.: even single notes must be enclosed by ). There is a similar sentence in the right-hand fingering chapter: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/Common-notation-for-fretted-strings#Right_002dhand-fingerings So why don't you add in the left-hand as well? I've lost hours trying to figure out why left orientation worked just for chords and not for single notes. That sentence would have saved me a lot of time and frustration. Sorry to hear about your frustrations -- I totally understand! And thanks (very much) for alerting us to a potential source of confusion. Remember that LilyPond is still a work-in-progress, and everyone can help! We usually try to clarify sources of confusion pretty quickly, so these reports are useful. However, it's better to offer suggestions like this to the developers' mailing list at lilypond-de...@gnu.org. archive - http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/ subscribe - http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel I guess the best place to add this would be in the snippet called Controlling the placement of chord fingerings in the Fingering instructions section. Probably the title should be changed to Controlling the placement of fingerings, because apparently the placement of single-note fingerings is also dependent on the ... construct. The snippet *does* provide examples of single notes enclosed in ..., but I admit it would be easy for a novice to overlook the significance of this. Ok I've updated two of those snippets in LSR to give this explicit warning, something that gave me fits when I was working on the fretted strings section last year, too. We added the example with the single notes in chords at some point but a warning is appropriate here. The changes should make it into the development docs in the next couple of days, if I understand the way this works. Best, Jon -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: suggestion for emproving NR: fingering istructions
2009/7/28 Jonathan Kulp jonlancek...@gmail.com: The changes should make it into the development docs in the next couple of days, if I understand the way this works. If only it were that simple. :) The LSR changes won't make their way into the docs until I run makelsr.py on the nightly docs tarball. There's a complication if you want to change the snippet's title, since there are links to the snippet in the docs: this means having to amend the @lilypondfile[] entries and rename the texidoc (which contains the translations). Regards, Neil ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: suggestion for emproving NR: fingering istructions
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Neil Puttock n.putt...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/28 Jonathan Kulp jonlancek...@gmail.com: The changes should make it into the development docs in the next couple of days, if I understand the way this works. If only it were that simple. :) The LSR changes won't make their way into the docs until I run makelsr.py on the nightly docs tarball. There's a complication if you want to change the snippet's title, since there are links to the snippet in the docs: this means having to amend the @lilypondfile[] entries and rename the texidoc (which contains the translations). Regards, Neil I didn't change the titles at all, just the descriptions and one bit the code. Hopefully it won't cause any problems. :) Jon -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
