Re: [LincolnTalk] bikes and walkers

[Colleen Katsuki]

Chris,


I hear you. I may respond at length later. One of the great things about 
Lincoln is called "the Lincoln way". It means that people discuss things 
endlessly and then finally come to a consensus. My point is not that 
bikers are bad, or even that some bikers are not enjoying nature. My 
point is that they change the experience of many folks whereas the 
opposite is not true. Please do not think I am demonizing people who 
bike! I just think that whatever changes are made need to be well 
thought out for the benefit of all .



with respect,



Colleen Katsuki


On 7/9/22 1:38 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
It seems that some think the "undisturbed nature experience" is at 
odds with being on a bike.  I assure you - it is not.  I'm *far* 
quieter alone on my bike meandering through the woods than I am when 
tromping through with my young kids and/or dog!


I've really enjoyed getting to know our beautiful town by bike over 
the last year or so, and *every one* of my encounters while biking our 
woodland trails has been positive.  I've chatted with neighbors, met 
and patted dogs, and generally encountered Lincolnites who were out 
there trying to enjoy the space in their own way.  The vast majority 
of the time, I've encountered *nobody*.  My experience out there has 
been the polar opposite of the doom being described on LT.


I wish some of the louder voices here could be a bit more tolerant and 
see the current proposal as what it is - a compromise - hugely tilted 
towards keeping the trails walking-only.  A full 80% of the trails 
will remain walking only under the proposed changes.  EIGHTY PERCENT!


In any case, I'd appreciate it if you could stop demonizing those of 
us in town who bike.  We're your neighbors too, and just trying to 
make the town a more green, fun and/or safe place for ourselves and 
our families.


I look forward to seeing you out on the trails.

Cheers,
     Chris Murphy


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[LincolnTalk] bikes and trails

[Colleen Katsuki]

Good points Christopher.

One thing I think is that we actually need more data.How many bikes are 
on which trails ?  I remember the dogs off leash controversy some years 
ago and on Mt Misery.  Dogs were allowed off leash only on certain 
trails .But what happens is people say or think:" My dog is well 
behaved" and they leave the animal off leash, The rules are not well 
posted nor are they well observed. I think this could be another issue 
here.


Colleen Katsuki





ubject:
Re: [LincolnTalk] Bikes on bike paths where they belong?
From:
Christopher Eliot 
Date:
7/7/22, 8:56 AM

To:
Lincoln Talk 


 I have read many articles about Lincoln trail usage and I am not 
strongly in favor or against usage by bikes.


However, given the controversy, a “go slow” approach to changing 
regulations seems prudent. Some of the issues are just preferences and 
will not change over time, but some are fact based and can be researched 
in time.


Overall, it seems like the decision should be made on a case by case 
basis taking into account the unique characteristics of each trail, 
including importance for each possible user group and local 
environmental conditions.
I think there are some overall principles that apply to each trail use 
decision:


* Safety of all trail users is a priority. This can mean providing a 
safe path for bikers to cross busy roads and it can mean doing something 
so that elderly walkers are not in fear of bikers.


* Some trails are probably inherently better for some uses than for 
other uses. I think there are some terrain features that don’t make good 
bike trails; these trails should be kept bike free. Paved rail trails 
seem to work well for mixed uses.


* Along some routes bikes can be a practical form of transportation, 
especially to schools. Replacing automobile traffic with bicycle usage 
has multiple benefits and should be facilitated where possible. Circular 
trails are not transportation routes.


* Preservation of nature is a priority. Wild places are easily over-used 
and the total amount of usage matters. Choosing one single use is a 
possible way to limit total usage of a trail. To be fair, this might 
mean designating some trails for exclusive use of each type of user.


There have been published stories illustrating poor behavior among 
various types of trail users. The enjoyment of our wonderful shared 
resources really depends on common courtesy and mutual respect from all. 
Hopefully there are people who can learn from these stories about little 
things that make the world better for other people. I don’t think it is 
possible for force people to be courteous; it has to come from within.


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Re: [LincolnTalk] Please post this:)

[sally kindleberger]

MIDDLESEX SAVINGS BANK IS WONDERFUL!

On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 8:50 PM Rich Rosenbaum  wrote:

> I've been a DCU member for 41 years including a few mortgages along the
> way.
>
> Mostly the experience has been great but recently they have been having
> issues partially due to a recent major software replacement (I hesitate to
> say 'upgrade'). Right now I have an ongoing dispute with them and found
> that it was faster to drive to a branch than to wait on hold to talk to
> someone (the wait time was quoted as between '1 hour 25 minutes and 2 hours
> 7 minutes').
>
> I assume and hope they will work out the issues but they seem to be a
> little stressed right now.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 6:37 PM Michael Moodie  wrote:
>
>> We’re happy users of DCU as well.
>> Michael and Linda Moodie
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 6, 2022, at 5:56 PM, Bob Kupperstein  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Ehren,
>>
>> Thank you for asking - I LOVE to recommend DCU (Digital Federal CU) and
>> CU's in general.   We've been members for close to 30 years and have had
>> mortgages, home improvement credit lines, credit cards/checking/savings
>> accounts for us and our kids, etc. with DCU.
>>
>> I couldn't be happier with them - they have plenty of free ATMs all over
>> the country, offer no-fee credit cards, no-fee checking, no-fee overdraft
>> protection, etc.   And, I love that the profits go back into the credit
>> union, not a corporation or stockholders who are only interested in making
>> more money.
>>
>> DCU has branches in Acton, Lexington, Waltham, Framingham (or Natick?)
>> and Burlington - so, north, south, east and west of Lincoln - and you can
>> use ATMs for free in most of the main pharmacy chains (CVS, Walgreens,
>> etc.) as well as just about any credit union or small/independent bank.
>>
>> -Bob
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 1:13 PM EHREN MILLER NOGUEIRA via Lincoln <
>> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a local(ish) bank or credit union that they love? ( or
>>> even like a lot😂)We have recently moved here and need a new one. Thank
>>> you. Please say why you like it🙏🏽
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Please post this:)

[Anna Lombroso]

I agree with Sally that Middlesex Savings Bank is great.  We have used them 
since 1995 and they have been helpful with banking and mortgages, etc. The West 
Concord branch is like an old fashioned bank where they greet customers by 
their names.  Additional branches in Concord, Wayland, Sudbury, Acton plus many 
more.
  Anna

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> On Jul 9, 2022, at 8:35 AM, sally kindleberger  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> MIDDLESEX SAVINGS BANK IS WONDERFUL!
> 
>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 8:50 PM Rich Rosenbaum  wrote:
>> I've been a DCU member for 41 years including a few mortgages along the way.
>> 
>> Mostly the experience has been great but recently they have been having 
>> issues partially due to a recent major software replacement (I hesitate to 
>> say 'upgrade'). Right now I have an ongoing dispute with them and found that 
>> it was faster to drive to a branch than to wait on hold to talk to someone 
>> (the wait time was quoted as between '1 hour 25 minutes and 2 hours 7 
>> minutes').
>> 
>> I assume and hope they will work out the issues but they seem to be a little 
>> stressed right now.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 6:37 PM Michael Moodie  wrote:
>>> We’re happy users of DCU as well.
>>> Michael and Linda Moodie
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Jul 6, 2022, at 5:56 PM, Bob Kupperstein  wrote:
> 
 
 Ehren, 
 
 Thank you for asking - I LOVE to recommend DCU (Digital Federal CU) and 
 CU's in general.   We've been members for close to 30 years and have had 
 mortgages, home improvement credit lines, credit cards/checking/savings 
 accounts for us and our kids, etc. with DCU.
 
 I couldn't be happier with them - they have plenty of free ATMs all over 
 the country, offer no-fee credit cards, no-fee checking, no-fee overdraft 
 protection, etc.   And, I love that the profits go back into the credit 
 union, not a corporation or stockholders who are only interested in making 
 more money.
 
 DCU has branches in Acton, Lexington, Waltham, Framingham (or Natick?) and 
 Burlington - so, north, south, east and west of Lincoln - and you can use 
 ATMs for free in most of the main pharmacy chains (CVS, Walgreens, etc.) 
 as well as just about any credit union or small/independent bank.
 
 -Bob
 
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 1:13 PM EHREN MILLER NOGUEIRA via Lincoln 
>  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have a local(ish) bank or credit union that they love? ( or 
> even like a lot😂)We have recently moved here and need a new one. Thank 
> you. Please say why you like it🙏🏽
> Sent from my iPhone
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[LincolnTalk] Here we are!!!

[Lindentreefarm Csa]

Again
Small but colorful
Bouquets in vases and edibles
Margie Browns flowers and other
Lindentree Farm veggies
Suzette durso art
Opportunities to learn about the food project and homework’s energy
And the human rep for the alpacas with their wool
Hope to see you!
Thank you!


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[LincolnTalk] Fridel Quinonez roofs & gutters

[Edward Young via Lincoln]

On Seth’s recommendation we’ve used Fridel on several roofing jobs and also for 
our gutters and find him always to be prompt, reliable and topnotch at 
explaining alternatives in clear terms
> Fridel Quinonez
> German Quinonez
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> (617) 580-6349 I (781) 535-8468
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[LincolnTalk] Locksmith

[Nicholas Ribush]

Back door lock broke. Consulted the list
.

Called Sherman a week ago. They brusquely put me off and said they'd
call back. Never did.

Called Bill Perry. He came the next day (this morning) and did a great job.
Recommend.

617-312-3709

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Re: [LincolnTalk] bikes and trails

[Linda McMillan]

I am wondering if the Conservation Commission Director or staff even see
any of these comments unless you send them directly to them via the email
on the town's website. Not sure.

On Sat, Jul 9, 2022, 8:09 AM Colleen Katsuki 
wrote:

> Good points Christopher.
>
> One thing I think is that we actually need more data.How many bikes are on
> which trails ?  I remember the dogs off leash controversy some years ago
> and on Mt Misery.  Dogs were allowed off leash only on certain trails .But
> what happens is people say or think:" My dog is well behaved" and they
> leave the animal off leash, The rules are not well posted nor are they well
> observed. I think this could be another issue here.
>
> Colleen Katsuki
>
>
>
>
>
> ubject:
> Re: [LincolnTalk] Bikes on bike paths where they belong?
>
> From:
> Christopher Eliot  
>
> Date:
> 7/7/22, 8:56 AM
>
> To:
> Lincoln Talk  
>  I have read many articles about Lincoln trail usage and I am not strongly
> in favor or against usage by bikes.
>
> However, given the controversy, a “go slow” approach to changing
> regulations seems prudent. Some of the issues are just preferences and will
> not change over time, but some are fact based and can be researched in time.
>
> Overall, it seems like the decision should be made on a case by case basis
> taking into account the unique characteristics of each trail, including
> importance for each possible user group and local environmental conditions.
> I think there are some overall principles that apply to each trail use
> decision:
>
> * Safety of all trail users is a priority. This can mean providing a safe
> path for bikers to cross busy roads and it can mean doing something so that
> elderly walkers are not in fear of bikers.
>
> * Some trails are probably inherently better for some uses than for other
> uses. I think there are some terrain features that don’t make good bike
> trails; these trails should be kept bike free. Paved rail trails seem to
> work well for mixed uses.
>
> * Along some routes bikes can be a practical form of transportation,
> especially to schools. Replacing automobile traffic with bicycle usage has
> multiple benefits and should be facilitated where possible. Circular trails
> are not transportation routes.
>
> * Preservation of nature is a priority. Wild places are easily over-used
> and the total amount of usage matters. Choosing one single use is a
> possible way to limit total usage of a trail. To be fair, this might mean
> designating some trails for exclusive use of each type of user.
>
> There have been published stories illustrating poor behavior among various
> types of trail users. The enjoyment of our wonderful shared resources
> really depends on common courtesy and mutual respect from all. Hopefully
> there are people who can learn from these stories about little things that
> make the world better for other people. I don’t think it is possible for
> force people to be courteous; it has to come from within.
>
> -Christopher Eliot
> 124 Bedford Road
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Re: [LincolnTalk] bikes and trails

[Sara Mattes]

They should all go to Con Comm staff for public record

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 9, 2022, at 5:56 PM, Linda McMillan  wrote:
> 
> 
> I am wondering if the Conservation Commission Director or staff even see any 
> of these comments unless you send them directly to them via the email on the 
> town's website. Not sure. 
> 
>> On Sat, Jul 9, 2022, 8:09 AM Colleen Katsuki  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Good points Christopher. 
>> 
>> One thing I think is that we actually need more data.How many bikes are on 
>> which trails ?  I remember the dogs off leash controversy some years ago and 
>> on Mt Misery.  Dogs were allowed off leash only on certain trails .But what 
>> happens is people say or think:" My dog is well behaved" and they leave the 
>> animal off leash, The rules are not well posted nor are they well observed. 
>> I think this could be another issue here. 
>> 
>> Colleen Katsuki
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ubject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Bikes on bike paths where they belong?
>> From: Christopher Eliot 
>> Date: 7/7/22, 8:56 AM
>> To: Lincoln Talk 
>> 
>>  I have read many articles about Lincoln trail usage and I am not strongly 
>> in favor or against usage by bikes.
>> 
>> However, given the controversy, a “go slow” approach to changing regulations 
>> seems prudent. Some of the issues are just preferences and will not change 
>> over time, but some are fact based and can be researched in time.
>> 
>> Overall, it seems like the decision should be made on a case by case basis 
>> taking into account the unique characteristics of each trail, including 
>> importance for each possible user group and local environmental conditions.
>> I think there are some overall principles that apply to each trail use 
>> decision:
>> 
>> * Safety of all trail users is a priority. This can mean providing a safe 
>> path for bikers to cross busy roads and it can mean doing something so that 
>> elderly walkers are not in fear of bikers.
>> 
>> * Some trails are probably inherently better for some uses than for other 
>> uses. I think there are some terrain features that don’t make good bike 
>> trails; these trails should be kept bike free. Paved rail trails seem to 
>> work well for mixed uses.
>> 
>> * Along some routes bikes can be a practical form of transportation, 
>> especially to schools. Replacing automobile traffic with bicycle usage has 
>> multiple benefits and should be facilitated where possible. Circular trails 
>> are not transportation routes.
>> 
>> * Preservation of nature is a priority. Wild places are easily over-used and 
>> the total amount of usage matters. Choosing one single use is a possible way 
>> to limit total usage of a trail. To be fair, this might mean designating 
>> some trails for exclusive use of each type of user.
>> 
>> There have been published stories illustrating poor behavior among various 
>> types of trail users. The enjoyment of our wonderful shared resources really 
>> depends on common courtesy and mutual respect from all. Hopefully there are 
>> people who can learn from these stories about little things that make the 
>> world better for other people. I don’t think it is possible for force people 
>> to be courteous; it has to come from within.
>> 
>> -Christopher Eliot
>> 124 Bedford Road
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[LincolnTalk] Sundae Sunday at CCF

[Sarah]

Please join us for hot fudge sundaes at Codman Community Farms, Sunday from 5pm 
- 8pm!

Favorite flavors from High Lawn Farm and Reasons To Be Cheerful!

Kiddie $5
Adult $7.50

Lots of toppings! 

A happy way to end the weekend!


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Re: [LincolnTalk] Dentists

[lisa freedman]

This has the list

http://tinyurl.com/lincolntalk-recs


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From: Lincoln  on behalf of Sara Mattes 

Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 11:02:51 AM
To: Lincoln Talk 
Subject: [LincolnTalk] Dentists

Does anyone have the list of recommended dentists that was created through 
LincolnTalk?
If so, please share.
Thanks,
Sara
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