Re: [LincolnTalk] New Event Select Board Meeting - Hybrid Format for civicplus.com-one of most important meetings this year

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Re: [LincolnTalk] 15 Units per Acre - Part 5: "More Time, More Options" please

[Carl Angiolillo]

Chiming in to say I agree with Rob.

To be clear, I don't support the 5 (previously 18) options proposed by the
Lincoln Residents for Housing Alternatives. (A few, such as E2, don't seem
too bad. Others, such as E4 which focuses density in the Farrar Pond
wildlife corridor, do.) My point is that support for additional survey
options isn't dependent on support for the options themselves.

For one thing, adding "other compliant option" and "do not comply" options
would allow the people who hold those preferences to feel heard.

For another, it also gives more accurate information. If a C or D option is
still the top choice it gives us confidence that it is the best option to
bring to town meeting, whereas if the “other” option is the top choice then
it gives us time to address concerns and course-correct before taking it to
a vote.

On the other hand, attempting to draw inferences from empty ballots may
underestimate dissatisfaction just as attempting to draw inferences from
Lincoln Talk overestimates it. And it also conflates those who might
support a different compliant option with those who would never support
*any* compliant option.

These are awkward and uncomfortable questions but ignoring them doesn't
help us avoid a "nay" vote, it just means we won't know where we stand
until then.

Carl
Codman Rd

On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 8:27 AM Robert Ahlert  wrote:

> Hi all -
>
> As of this morning, I believe there is still no option being added to the
> Dec 2nd Ranked Choice Survey on the HCA for "More Time, More Options" or
> "None of the Above"
>
> Please email the Selects and HCAWG as well as talk to your friends and
> neighbors about your concerns with the Options put forward by the HCAWG.
>
> Also, please visit our website for updated E alternatives.  It provides
> some examples of what we believe would also comply, just with a different
> set of strategies.
>
>
> https://sites.google.com/lincolnresidentsforhousingalternatives.org/info/a-fairer-approach
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> Rob Ahlert (not the spokesperson, just a member)
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Uber at 4 AM?

[Lauren Gray]

Hello,

What does he charge for airport transportation?

Thank you,
Lauren Gray

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 3:48 PM Beryl Ann Cowan 
wrote:

> Ditto on Alan!
> He’s the best- as recently as last night he picked me up at 1am at Logan.
> Responsible, timely and courteous!
> Beryl
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Nov 13, 2023, at 1:50 PM, V Saleme  wrote:
>
> 
> Also, highly recommend Alan.
>
> I recently had the need for an operation at MGH, the time of which was 6
> AM-he not only got me there, but waited hours for the return trip back to
> Lincoln- he didn’t charge me for it.
>
> On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 1:45 PM Jeff B  wrote:
>
>> I was nervous about this very question two years ago, and used Uber Alan
>> at 4am.  Booked him in advance, and he showed up despite a snowstorm that
>> made traffic almost impossible (and a multiple hour delay at Logan).
>>
>> Could not recommend him more for peace of mind. Alan Giles 617-501-2611
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 10:39 AM Rosamond Delori via Lincoln <
>> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone have experience with an Uber pick up at 4 AM?
>>>
>>> Rosamond
>>>
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[LincolnTalk] Town new housing

[Bijoy Misra]

Dear friends,
Since Dec 2 is a selection process, I appeal to the Select board
to have two alternatives:
1. Comply HCA and rezone as suggested in proposal C.
2. Postpone decisions till further analysis is done.
Best regards,
Bijoy Misra
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[LincolnTalk] Timeline of HCA options

[Karla Gravis]

I think it’s important to clarify how long the options being put forth to
vote have been studied. The HCA proposals the HCAWG is asking the town to
vote on have only been around for around 6 weeks (option C was presented at
SOTT on Sept. 30th and options D1-D3 on Oct. 24th). The only real time to
discuss any of the options was during the November 8th forums. Both forums
were packed and many questions were left unanswered.

Compliance is not required until December 2024. Residents are asking for
more time for discussion and learning, time we have. In the spirit of
democracy, why not allow that time for discussion so residents can cast an
informed vote?

Up until August 2023, mixed use rezoning did not count towards HCA
compliance. When the State changed the guidelines to allow mixed use, the
HCAWG asked Utile to create our current Option C. It was voted on at SOTT
on September 30th. Before this, rezoning the mall would have had to be
presented separately. There were several mistakes in the (rushed)
submission to the State that were corrected thanks to residents’ input.

Options D1-D3 were presented to the public on Oct 24th.

While the HCAWG has been meeting for a year (first meeting was in October
2022), the state guidelines keep changing. The MBTA requirement was reduced
from 100% to 20%. MMU was added as an option (not requirement) in August of
this year. Who is to say there aren’t other changes coming?
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[LincolnTalk] HCA Support

[Rebecca Blanchfield]

I agree with what many of you have already said –

   - Like Lis, I don’t see any evidence that the process has been rushed,
   undemocratic, or that the HCA working group hasn’t been adequately
   thoughtful. I’m grateful for their hard work and am comfortable with the
   options and timeline as it stands.
   - Like Staci, I’m disheartened when I get wind of “as little as
   possible” objectives.
   - Like Joan, I’d like to trust that Lincoln will do what it can to raise
   the HCA limit of 10% affordable housing :)

Best,
Rebecca Blanchfield
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Uber at 4 AM?

[Beryl Ann Cowan]

Ditto on Alan! He’s the best- as recently as last night he picked me up at 1am at Logan. Responsible, timely and courteous!Beryl Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 13, 2023, at 1:50 PM, V Saleme  wrote:Also, highly recommend Alan.I recently had the need for an operation at MGH, the time of which was 6 AM-he not only got me there, but waited hours for the return trip back to Lincoln- he didn’t charge me for it.On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 1:45 PM Jeff B  wrote:I was nervous about this very question two years ago, and used Uber Alan at 4am.  Booked him in advance, and he showed up despite a snowstorm that made traffic almost impossible (and a multiple hour delay at Logan).Could not recommend him more for peace of mind. Alan Giles 617-501-2611JeffOn Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 10:39 AM Rosamond Delori via Lincoln  wrote:Does anyone have experience with an Uber pick up at 4 AM?

Rosamond


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[LincolnTalk] Fwd: Opportunity to help immigrants from Ukraine

[Jennifer Goodman]

Hi LT,

See below for a list of things these immigrants need. If you have something to 
donate, you could bring it to me in Lincoln, rather than the original drop-off 
in Natick. Thank you so much!

Warmly,

Jennifer


> Dear Friends,
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> A team from CSSC is partnering with Jewish Family Services of Framingham to 
> help two women immigrating from Ukraine.  We have a chance to help them in a 
> direct way by setting up their apartment with everything they need.
> 
> We still need a few items from this list: 
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BY6cKp9LFXaCgViCGqWSqAxHKukNWLep0upKywmCGPc/edit?usp=sharing
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> 
>  Used things are fine. Put your name in the spreadsheet for what you're 
> contributing and drop the items in the collection box in the outer lobby at 
> CSSC. 
> 
> Can you help with the setup this weekend? Saturday and/or Sunday, 1-4. 
> Contact Devik at devikwy...@gmail.com  for 
> details. We look forward to working with you. We have so much -- it is a joy 
> to share with others who need our help!
> 
> Thank you, 
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> Fran, Carole, Virginia, Trish, Janis, Rachel, Paula, Bonnie
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Uber at 4 AM?

[V Saleme]

Also, highly recommend Alan.

I recently had the need for an operation at MGH, the time of which was 6
AM-he not only got me there, but waited hours for the return trip back to
Lincoln- he didn’t charge me for it.

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 1:45 PM Jeff B  wrote:

> I was nervous about this very question two years ago, and used Uber Alan
> at 4am.  Booked him in advance, and he showed up despite a snowstorm that
> made traffic almost impossible (and a multiple hour delay at Logan).
>
> Could not recommend him more for peace of mind. Alan Giles 617-501-2611
>
> Jeff
>
> On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 10:39 AM Rosamond Delori via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have experience with an Uber pick up at 4 AM?
>>
>> Rosamond
>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Uber at 4 AM?

[Jeff B]

I was nervous about this very question two years ago, and used Uber Alan at
4am.  Booked him in advance, and he showed up despite a snowstorm that made
traffic almost impossible (and a multiple hour delay at Logan).

Could not recommend him more for peace of mind. Alan Giles 617-501-2611

Jeff

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 10:39 AM Rosamond Delori via Lincoln <
lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:

> Does anyone have experience with an Uber pick up at 4 AM?
>
> Rosamond
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Housing Choice Act and Exclusionary Zoning Report-the HAC will make us even more exclusive.

[Lis Herbert]

This process has been discussed and surveyed for so long that it is hard to believe anybody really thinks it’s been rushed. And the reason the proposed zoning is concentrated at Lincoln Station is because that is what the long process resulted in — most people (still) think this is right for any number of reasons, not least the fact that it is near public transit, it is already at least partially developed and in some cases parking lots, and spreading it around town will make Lincoln feel more suburban, not less. So much of our land is protected, apparently wildlife won’t be negatively impacted by building on parking lots, and density translates to sustainability. Most importantly, the housing crisis can’t be brushed aside as other people’s problems — it impacts people at all levels and stages of life, and it is wrong not to try to make a meaningful, good-faith effort to help.And to answer the (possibly rhetorical) question I saw over the weekend: the reason we should hope people from other towns would consider shopping at Donelan’s is the same reason you shouldn’t keep a good restaurant to yourself. If the numbers don’t work they’ll close.So thank you to the HCAWG —Your fan,LisSent from my iPhoneOn Nov 13, 2023, at 11:04 AM, Robert Ahlert  wrote:The Dec 2nd "Survey" (non-binding) doesn't contain a full spectrum of options for the town to choose from unless the Selects, Planning Board, HCAWG decide to change course tonight to open up the process and give more time.  This isn't due until Dec 2024 so why rush this?  Just to have a March 2024 town vote? That is 9 months early. We could be spending that time coming up with a GREAT compromise solution that a solid majority of townspeople can get behind.I urge you to write your selects to ask foore "More Time, More Options"We have some good "E" alternatives including Options that include the Mall, all we need to do is discuss it and not rush.  The HCAWG wants to finalize this EARLY for some reason, why?Rob A185 Lincoln Rd, Lincoln, MA 01773On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 10:48 AM Buell, Lawrence  wrote:







Not so, I think it will be found on Dec 2, though maybe I’m wrong—
Larry Buell
Tower Road
 

From: Lincoln  On Behalf Of
Bob Kupperstein
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 10:12 AM
To: Bijoy Misra 
Cc: Listserv Listserv 
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Housing Choice Act and Exclusionary Zoning Report-the HAC will make us even more exclusive.

 


 

 


On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 3:59 PM Bijoy Misra  wrote:




... The overwhelming voice is to exclude the Lincoln


station area until a full analysis is done. 




... 




Best regards,


Bijoy Misra       


 


 


I believe this to be completely unsubstantiated.   


 


It may be the view of the loudest/most persistent voices on LT, but AFAIK there isn't any poll that shows a
majority view to exclude Lincoln Station (or anything else to do with the HCA).


 


-Bob


 


 




On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 10:19 AM DJCP  wrote:




First, I did not say I wanted people from other towns flocking here.  I said the opposite.



 


Second, I would love to maintain the rural character of Lincoln, too, but the fact is we have a severe housing shortage not just in Massachusetts but across the country. Families who work full
 time, multiple jobs cannot afford apartments, much less condos or homes.  There are people looking to step into home ownership who can't because they are priced out.  The Massachusetts shelter system is full, not just from refugees and immigrants, but from
 people who cannot find housing, no matter how much assistance they have.  So, yes, even luxury condos would help.  (Though I see the town's commendable track record of negotiating a higher level of affordable housing and trust them to continue to do the same.) 
 But it is also true that Lincoln's exclusionary zoning - which has maintained the rural character we love - has contributed to the housing crisis.   Lastly, I would love more taxpayers to come to town because in the end I am also a capitalist and would like
 to see my taxes go down.  So I can buy berries for my kids with abandon. 


 


Diana 


Giles Rd 



 


On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 9:45 AM gail o'keefe  wrote:



Why on earth would we want people from other towns flocking to Lincoln for their groceries?? The beauty of Lincoln's current commercial area is it provides just what the town needs, and not more. This is an environmentally sound model,
 if not one for thriving capitalism. Lincoln's affordable housing can be expanded without giving up control to developers.

 


Many people move to Lincoln specifically to avoid the traffic and commercial pressures that are evident in neighboring towns, once beautifully semi-rural, now overbuilt with strip malls. Lincoln has been preserved over the decades by careful
 planning and zoning. 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Housing Choice Act and Exclusionary Zoning Report-the HAC will make us even more exclusive.

[Bijoy Misra]

Can you please cite what is substantiated and by what means?

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 10:12 AM Bob Kupperstein  wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 3:59 PM Bijoy Misra  wrote:
>
>> ... *The overwhelming voice is to exclude the Lincoln*
>> *station area until a full analysis is done.*
>>
> ...
>
>> Best regards,
>> Bijoy Misra
>>
>>
> I believe this to be completely unsubstantiated.
>
> It may be the view of the loudest/most persistent voices on LT, but AFAIK
> there isn't any poll that shows a *majority* view to exclude Lincoln
> Station (or anything else to do with the HCA).
>
> -Bob
>
>
>
>> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 10:19 AM DJCP  wrote:
>>
>>> First, I did not say I wanted people from other towns flocking here.  I
>>> said the opposite.
>>>
>>> Second, I would love to maintain the rural character of Lincoln, too,
>>> but the fact is we have a severe housing shortage not just in Massachusetts
>>> but across the country. Families who work full time, multiple jobs cannot
>>> afford apartments, much less condos or homes.  There are people looking to
>>> step into home ownership who can't because they are priced out.  The
>>> Massachusetts shelter system is full, not just from refugees and
>>> immigrants, but from people who cannot find housing, no matter how much
>>> assistance they have.  So, yes, even luxury condos would help.  (Though I
>>> see the town's commendable track record of negotiating a higher level of
>>> affordable housing and trust them to continue to do the same.)  But it is
>>> also true that Lincoln's exclusionary zoning - which has maintained the
>>> rural character we love - has contributed to the housing crisis.   Lastly,
>>> I would love more taxpayers to come to town because in the end I am also a
>>> capitalist and would like to see my taxes go down.  So I can buy berries
>>> for my kids with abandon.
>>>
>>> Diana
>>> Giles Rd
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 9:45 AM gail o'keefe 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Why on earth would we want people from other towns flocking to Lincoln
 for their groceries?? The beauty of Lincoln's current commercial area is it
 provides just what the town needs, and not more. This is an environmentally
 sound model, if not one for thriving capitalism. Lincoln's affordable
 housing can be expanded without giving up control to developers.

 Many people move to Lincoln specifically to avoid the traffic and
 commercial pressures that are evident in neighboring towns, once
 beautifully semi-rural, now overbuilt with strip malls. Lincoln has been
 preserved over the decades by careful planning and zoning.

  As an example of developer-friendly zoning, Lexington has long had
 commercial zoning in the center, yet there are empty storefronts and over a
 dozen random banks. There are only two restaurants that have lasted over
 the years, dozens have shuttered. Zoning for the benefit of developers
 doesn't guarantee businesses will come, or stay. Belmont is also struggling
 with empty storefronts, it is happening across the region. Developers come
 and go, but residents are left with the developers' decisions, rarely based
 on the long term goals of the town. This is not a good model for Lincoln.
 If Lincoln cedes control to developers, it is in perpetuity, it can't be
 reversed.

 Many in town hope that the working group of the HCA ruling will slow
 the process, take the necessary time to address the concerns of the
 townspeople, and allow alternative choices on the ballot.

 Gail O'Keefe



 On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 8:14 AM DJCP  wrote:

> The best way to make sure commercial stays commercial is to make the
> businesses viable and the best way to do that is to make sure there are
> people shopping there. Sorry but people from other towns are not flocking
> to Lincoln to buy $10 pints of strawberries from Donelans. And I've only
> been here 5 years and have noticed the string of restaurants that have
> tried to fill the ONE space. Whether we make any changes there's no
> guarantee these businesses will stick around. That's capitalism folks. But
> we can help by AT LEAST zoning for more housing in the area.
>
> Diana
> Giles Rd
>
> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023, 8:08 AM Peter Buchthal 
> wrote:
>
>> Along similar lines, how can the town ensure commercial space stays
>> commercial as the new owners could easily decide to raise very high or 
>> not
>> renew any commercial lease in order to build more luxury residential 
>> units
>> by right as long as the project has unused housing units within the 
>> zoning
>> allotment.
>>
>>
>> Peter Buchthal
>> Weston Rd
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 12:27 PM David Cuetos 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> How can the RLF guarantee that any particular commercial space will
>>> remain once they sell the land to 

Re: [LincolnTalk] HCA Myths

[Susanna Szeto]

Little by little, we are beginning to see the reason why RLF is included in all the options given by HCAWG.  Trust and transparency go hand in hand.  It is true RLF had done a lot of good for preserving the green space of Lincoln and I think I can speak for all of us that we truly appreciate that!  However, it should not be riding on its past laurels!  To gain a deeper understanding of why RLF is under financial trouble, we need it to be transparent with its fiscal operation!  Thank you!Susanna SGiles RoadOn Nov 12, 2023, at 9:54 PM, Bijoy Misra  wrote:Now there is a new play that RLF is in negative cash flow and should be allowed to sell.I think they should be given the opportunity to make the case for selling land.To cover under the guise of HCA is inappropriate. It appears dubious and distrustful.Let HCA happen, if we must comply but outside the RLF operations.RLF should present the case of residential development in Lincoln stationseparately for approval in town.  I appeal for transparency in all fiscal operations.    Best regards,Bijoy MisraOn Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 4:01 PM David Cuetos  wrote:I would like to address some of the HCA myths that have been flying around:The HCAWG never conducted a survey to support the claim that  there was overwhelming support to concentrate all the rezoning at Lincoln Station. There are more than 50 public supporters of the HCA Alternatives Group and many more private ones.The HCAWG held its first open door meeting less than a year ago. It only started presenting proposals five months ago.There were only ten days between the time when their preferred proposal (Option C) was presented at SOTT and the HCAWG’s vote to submit it to the State.Market forces dictate that left to their own devices developers would not build housing in Lincoln that is remotely affordable. It would most likely resemble Sudbury's Cold Brook, where a two-bedroom starts at almost $800,000. Analysts remain divided about whether building luxury housing will alleviate or exacerbate the low-income housing shortage in the Greater Boston area.There is no evidence to suggest that taxes would go down if more multi-family units are added in Lincoln. In fact, common sense would dictate that taxes would go up to provide for the incremental services (particularly education) if the town adds more units at a fraction of the assessed cost of the median house in town. Below are two analyses that would support this:The town actually asked a consultant (Sasaki Associates) to conduct a similar study back when a Hanscom Field closure was in the cards around 2005. In that scenario, Lincoln would have had to absorb 850 new housing units at Hanscom. By happenstance this would be roughly equivalent to the impact of Option C. Option C could lead to 950 incremental units as it would rezone for up to 1,135 units versus the existing 185.The Sasaki study concluded that expenses would go up by 63% and revenues would only go up by a corresponding 28%. The implication is that taxes for existing residents would need to increase by 27%.The study is attached for everyone’s reference.My own analysis of the fiscal impact of HCA rezoning leads to similar proforma tax increases (29%)  in a full-buildout scenario.David CuetosOn Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 11:04 AM DJCP  wrote:The town has been working on this for 18 months. Diffuse options were considered, but the overwhelming voices back when the options were being first formulated said to concentrate everything in town center.  And I am willing to bet that is still true.  To me, it seems that a small but vocal group of people are speaking up now.  But we need to vote to comply with the HCA in short order.  That is why this process started over a year ago!  As it is, this is just a zoning change, and there are no guarantees anything will be built.  But it's still more than thoughts and prayers to fix the housing (and climate) crisis. Diana Giles RdOn Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 10:41 AM Bijoy Misra  wrote:Everyone is sympathetic to housing and new people.  The issue iswhere to build.  The overwhelming voice is to exclude the Lincolnstation area until a full analysis is done.  Congestion, transport and environment are the issues.  Hence the appeal is for distributedhousing.  To sell the Lincoln station area for residential developmentwithout analysis would be suicidal for the town.  I am speaking on behalfof many who wish to live here and develop the town wholesomeretaining its character. Best regards,Bijoy Misra       On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 10:19 AM DJCP  wrote:First, I did not say I wanted people from other towns flocking here.  I said the opposite. Second, I would love to maintain the rural character of Lincoln, too, but the fact is we have a severe housing shortage not just in Massachusetts but across the country. Families who work full time, multiple jobs cannot afford apartments, much less condos or homes.  

Re: [LincolnTalk] Housing Choice Act and Exclusionary Zoning Report-the HAC will make us even more exclusive.

[Terri via Lincoln]

 Is  RLF nearing  bankruptcy? It sure feels that way...Hence this urgency to 
rezone the town center.  This is not "just a zoning change"...Let's be real 
here...  Most, if not all rezoning ends with major building.  This is not about 
climate change or to "fix" the housing crisis... sadly, this is all  about 
Builders making a huge profit.   Going forwardMore 
transparency/communication from the RLF leadership team would be most 
appreciated. 

Theresa K

On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 11:04:00 AM EST, DJCP  
wrote:  
 
 The town has been working on this for 18 months. Diffuse options were 
considered, but the overwhelming voices back when the options were being first 
formulated said to concentrate everything in town center.  And I am willing to 
bet that is still true.  To me, it seems that a small but vocal group of people 
are speaking up now.  But we need to vote to comply with the HCA in short 
order.  That is why this process started over a year ago!  As it is, this is 
just a zoning change, and there are no guarantees anything will be built.  But 
it's still more than thoughts and prayers to fix the housing (and climate) 
crisis. 

Diana 
Giles Rd

On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 10:41 AM Bijoy Misra  wrote:

Everyone is sympathetic to housing and new people.  The issue iswhere to build. 
 The overwhelming voice is to exclude the Lincolnstation area until a full 
analysis is done.  Congestion, transport and environment are the issues.  Hence 
the appeal is for distributedhousing.  To sell the Lincoln station area for 
residential developmentwithout analysis would be suicidal for the town.  I am 
speaking on behalfof many who wish to live here and develop the town 
wholesomeretaining its character. Best regards,Bijoy Misra       
On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 10:19 AM DJCP  wrote:

First, I did not say I wanted people from other towns flocking here.  I said 
the opposite. 

Second, I would love to maintain the rural character of Lincoln, too, but the 
fact is we have a severe housing shortage not just in Massachusetts but across 
the country. Families who work full time, multiple jobs cannot afford 
apartments, much less condos or homes.  There are people looking to step into 
home ownership who can't because they are priced out.  The Massachusetts 
shelter system is full, not just from refugees and immigrants, but from people 
who cannot find housing, no matter how much assistance they have.  So, yes, 
even luxury condos would help.  (Though I see the town's commendable track 
record of negotiating a higher level of affordable housing and trust them to 
continue to do the same.)  But it is also true that Lincoln's exclusionary 
zoning - which has maintained the rural character we love - has contributed to 
the housing crisis.   Lastly, I would love more taxpayers to come to town 
because in the end I am also a capitalist and would like to see my taxes go 
down.  So I can buy berries for my kids with abandon. 

Diana 
Giles Rd 

On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 9:45 AM gail o'keefe  wrote:

Why on earth would we want people from other towns flocking to Lincoln for 
their groceries?? The beauty of Lincoln's current commercial area is it 
provides just what the town needs, and not more. This is an environmentally 
sound model, if not one for thriving capitalism. Lincoln's affordable housing 
can be expanded without giving up control to developers.
Many people move to Lincoln specifically to avoid the traffic and commercial 
pressures that are evident in neighboring towns, once beautifully semi-rural, 
now overbuilt with strip malls. Lincoln has been preserved over the decades by 
careful planning and zoning. 

 As an example of developer-friendly zoning, Lexington has long had commercial 
zoning in the center, yet there are empty storefronts and over a dozen random 
banks. There are only two restaurants that have lasted over the years, dozens 
have shuttered. Zoning for the benefit of developers doesn't guarantee 
businesses will come, or stay. Belmont is also struggling with empty 
storefronts, it is happening across the region. Developers come and go, but 
residents are left with the developers' decisions, rarely based on the long 
term goals of the town. This is not a good model for Lincoln. If Lincoln cedes 
control to developers, it is in perpetuity, it can't be reversed.
Many in town hope that the working group of the HCA ruling will slow the 
process, take the necessary time to address the concerns of the townspeople, 
and allow alternative choices on the ballot.
Gail O'Keefe


On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 8:14 AM DJCP  wrote:

The best way to make sure commercial stays commercial is to make the businesses 
viable and the best way to do that is to make sure there are people shopping 
there. Sorry but people from other towns are not flocking to Lincoln to buy $10 
pints of strawberries from Donelans. And I've only been here 5 years and have 
noticed the string of restaurants that have tried to fill the ONE 

[LincolnTalk] HVA

[Joan Kimball]

I feel fortunate to live here and one of  the reasons is Lincoln's ability
to rise  in positive ways to meet challenges.

Moving to Lincoln in the early 70s, we were glad that Lincoln's response to
housing needs and 40b was to build Lincoln Woods.( We recently went on a
tour of Lincoln woods, and the sense of community is impressive.) .And the
Town also had a thoughtful plan to  protect open space that would result in
protecting wildlife corridors.  Two important factors fir me.

Today Massachusetts once again  has a serious housing crisis, and we are
once again required to  meet the challenge.

I understand people are concerned. And that there is concern by both
individuals and by individuals working together in a group.

 Reading Lincoln Talk, I first became aware that a group of five was
investigating the HCA and the actions of Lincoln's working group. I read in
Lincoln Talk that the group now has 55 members.  And yesterday I read there
is a similar group in Newton and probably in other towns.

We need to remember that there are other views, not coordinated, and not
necessarily expressed on Lincoln Talk or at the Forum.

While zoning does give those of us in "the lifeboat" control, it also has
resulted in exclusion.  Many studies show this.  I recommend that people
watch 2 webinars presented by the Boston Foundation.(See below for links.)

I applaud the work of the Town's working group and their expressed goals
including Lincoln's character, awareness of  climate change, and providing
housing near our transportation area.  (I know that Lincoln will do what it
can to raise the limit of 10% affordable that HCA has imposed.)

May we work together and rise up once again to do our part in a creative
way to help solve serious housing crisis that affects individuals and
families as well as the Massachusetts's economy

Respectfully,   Joan Kimball

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Greater Boston Housing Report Card 2023

Greater Boston faces a crippling housing shortage, the effects of which are
most destabilizing for moderate- and low-income families and families of
color in the region. The Greater Boston Housing Report Card highlights how
the region has been falling behind on housing production, and how housing
cost burdens have been increasing, making rental housing and homeownership
increasingly unaffordable.
Tuesday, November 14th, 2023, 9:00 a.m. - 10:30 a.m.
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Exclusionary by Design:  Zoning as a Tool of Race, Class and Family
Exclusion

As part of a new Racial Wealth Equity Research Center initiative, Boston
Indicators commissioned Amy Dain, among the region’s leading zoning
experts, to research and write Exclusionary by Design: An Investigation of
Zoning’s Use as a Tool of Race, Class, and Family Exclusion in Boston’s
Suburbs, 1920 to Today. Based on extensive review of local planning
documents, state reports, and press coverage over the past 100 years, the
report finds widespread use of zoning as a tool of social exclusion against
residents of color, especially Black residents; lower-income and
working-class residents; families with school-aged children; religious
minorities; immigrants; and, in some cases, any newcomers/outsiders at all.
Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 10:00 a.m. - 11:00 a.m.
Click here for video and recap

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[LincolnTalk] Uber at 4 AM

[Rosamond Delori via Lincoln]

Thanks to everyone for your experience.  


Rosamond Delori
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Lincoln, MA 01773
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Uber at 4 AM?

[dgloew--- via Lincoln]

Hi Roz,
I needed a middle of the night pick up at Emerson Hospital a few months ago.. 
Whlle they were able to send a driver, it took Uber awhile to find one.  If you 
have to be somewhere at a specific time, I would make prior arrangements with 
Alan.  When he was unable to pick us up on short notice at Logan a few nights 
ago, he made arrangements for someone else to pick us up.A stress mitigator! 
Good luck.
Davida





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On Monday, November 13, 2023, 10:58 AM, Scott Clary  
wrote:

Hello Roz,
Lincoln resident Alan Giles is excellent and reliable at getting people to and 
from the airport as well as other places.
+1 617-501-2611

Kind Regards,

Scott Clary
617-968-5769

Sent from a mobile device - please excuse typos and brevity   
On Mon, Nov 13, 2023, 10:39 AM Rosamond Delori via Lincoln 
 wrote:

Does anyone have experience with an Uber pick up at 4 AM?

Rosamond


Please excuse likely errors due to autospell!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Housing Choice Act and Exclusionary Zoning Report-the HAC will make us even more exclusive.

[Robert Ahlert]

The Dec 2nd "Survey" (non-binding) doesn't contain a full spectrum of
options for the town to choose from unless the Selects, Planning Board,
HCAWG decide to change course *tonight* to open up the process and give
more time.  This isn't due until Dec 2024 so why rush this?  Just to have a
March 2024 town vote? That is *9 months early.* We could be spending that
time coming up with a GREAT compromise solution that a solid majority of
townspeople can get behind.

I urge you to write your selects to ask foore "More Time, More Options"

We have some good "E" alternatives including Options that include the Mall,
all we need to do is discuss it and not rush.  The HCAWG wants to finalize
this EARLY for some reason, why?

Rob A
185 Lincoln Rd, Lincoln, MA 01773

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 10:48 AM Buell, Lawrence 
wrote:

> Not so, I think it will be found on Dec 2, though maybe I’m wrong—
>
> Larry Buell
>
> Tower Road
>
>
>
> *From:* Lincoln  *On Behalf Of *Bob
> Kupperstein
> *Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2023 10:12 AM
> *To:* Bijoy Misra 
> *Cc:* Listserv Listserv 
> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] Housing Choice Act and Exclusionary Zoning
> Report-the HAC will make us even more exclusive.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 3:59 PM Bijoy Misra  wrote:
>
> ... *The overwhelming voice is to exclude the Lincoln*
>
> *station area until a full analysis is done.*
>
> ...
>
> Best regards,
>
> Bijoy Misra
>
>
>
>
>
> I believe this to be completely unsubstantiated.
>
>
>
> It may be the view of the loudest/most persistent voices on LT, but AFAIK
> there isn't any poll that shows a *majority* view to exclude Lincoln
> Station (or anything else to do with the HCA).
>
>
>
> -Bob
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 10:19 AM DJCP  wrote:
>
> First, I did not say I wanted people from other towns flocking here.  I
> said the opposite.
>
>
>
> Second, I would love to maintain the rural character of Lincoln, too, but
> the fact is we have a severe housing shortage not just in Massachusetts but
> across the country. Families who work full time, multiple jobs cannot
> afford apartments, much less condos or homes.  There are people looking to
> step into home ownership who can't because they are priced out.  The
> Massachusetts shelter system is full, not just from refugees and
> immigrants, but from people who cannot find housing, no matter how much
> assistance they have.  So, yes, even luxury condos would help.  (Though I
> see the town's commendable track record of negotiating a higher level of
> affordable housing and trust them to continue to do the same.)  But it is
> also true that Lincoln's exclusionary zoning - which has maintained the
> rural character we love - has contributed to the housing crisis.   Lastly,
> I would love more taxpayers to come to town because in the end I am also a
> capitalist and would like to see my taxes go down.  So I can buy berries
> for my kids with abandon.
>
>
>
> Diana
>
> Giles Rd
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 9:45 AM gail o'keefe  wrote:
>
> Why on earth would we want people from other towns flocking to Lincoln for
> their groceries?? The beauty of Lincoln's current commercial area is it
> provides just what the town needs, and not more. This is an environmentally
> sound model, if not one for thriving capitalism. Lincoln's affordable
> housing can be expanded without giving up control to developers.
>
>
>
> Many people move to Lincoln specifically to avoid the traffic and
> commercial pressures that are evident in neighboring towns, once
> beautifully semi-rural, now overbuilt with strip malls. Lincoln has been
> preserved over the decades by careful planning and zoning.
>
>
>
>  As an example of developer-friendly zoning, Lexington has long had
> commercial zoning in the center, yet there are empty storefronts and over a
> dozen random banks. There are only two restaurants that have lasted over
> the years, dozens have shuttered. Zoning for the benefit of developers
> doesn't guarantee businesses will come, or stay. Belmont is also struggling
> with empty storefronts, it is happening across the region. Developers come
> and go, but residents are left with the developers' decisions, rarely based
> on the long term goals of the town. This is not a good model for Lincoln.
> If Lincoln cedes control to developers, it is in perpetuity, it can't be
> reversed.
>
>
>
> Many in town hope that the working group of the HCA ruling will slow the
> process, take the necessary time to address the concerns of the
> townspeople, and allow alternative choices on the ballot.
>
>
>
> Gail O'Keefe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 8:14 AM DJCP  wrote:
>
> The best way to make sure commercial stays commercial is to make the
> businesses viable and the best way to do that is to make sure there are
> people shopping there. Sorry but people from other towns are not flocking
> to Lincoln to buy $10 pints of strawberries from Donelans. And I've only
> been here 5 years and have noticed the string of 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Uber at 4 AM?

[sophie dixon]

Mine was not good. I pre ordered and 15 mins before my scheduled pick up time 
the app said ‘No drivers available’. Slightly stressful… I think some people 
have shared private drivers on here.

> On Nov 13, 2023, at 10:39 AM, Rosamond Delori via Lincoln 
>  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have experience with an Uber pick up at 4 AM?
> 
> Rosamond
> 
> 
> Please excuse likely errors due to autospell!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Uber at 4 AM?

[Scott Clary]

Hello Roz,

Lincoln resident Alan Giles is excellent and reliable at getting people to
and from the airport as well as other places.

+1 617-501-2611

Kind Regards,

Scott Clary
617-968-5769

Sent from a mobile device - please excuse typos and brevity

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lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:

> Does anyone have experience with an Uber pick up at 4 AM?
>
> Rosamond
>
> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Housing Choice Act and Exclusionary Zoning Report-the HAC will make us even more exclusive.

[Buell, Lawrence]

Not so, I think it will be found on Dec 2, though maybe I’m wrong—
Larry Buell
Tower Road

From: Lincoln  On Behalf Of Bob Kupperstein
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 10:12 AM
To: Bijoy Misra 
Cc: Listserv Listserv 
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Housing Choice Act and Exclusionary Zoning 
Report-the HAC will make us even more exclusive.



On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 3:59 PM Bijoy Misra 
mailto:misra.bi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
... The overwhelming voice is to exclude the Lincoln
station area until a full analysis is done.
...
Best regards,
Bijoy Misra


I believe this to be completely unsubstantiated.

It may be the view of the loudest/most persistent voices on LT, but AFAIK there 
isn't any poll that shows a majority view to exclude Lincoln Station (or 
anything else to do with the HCA).

-Bob


On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 10:19 AM DJCP 
mailto:djcp0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
First, I did not say I wanted people from other towns flocking here.  I said 
the opposite.

Second, I would love to maintain the rural character of Lincoln, too, but the 
fact is we have a severe housing shortage not just in Massachusetts but across 
the country. Families who work full time, multiple jobs cannot afford 
apartments, much less condos or homes.  There are people looking to step into 
home ownership who can't because they are priced out.  The Massachusetts 
shelter system is full, not just from refugees and immigrants, but from people 
who cannot find housing, no matter how much assistance they have.  So, yes, 
even luxury condos would help.  (Though I see the town's commendable track 
record of negotiating a higher level of affordable housing and trust them to 
continue to do the same.)  But it is also true that Lincoln's exclusionary 
zoning - which has maintained the rural character we love - has contributed to 
the housing crisis.   Lastly, I would love more taxpayers to come to town 
because in the end I am also a capitalist and would like to see my taxes go 
down.  So I can buy berries for my kids with abandon.

Diana
Giles Rd

On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 9:45 AM gail o'keefe 
mailto:gailoke...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Why on earth would we want people from other towns flocking to Lincoln for 
their groceries?? The beauty of Lincoln's current commercial area is it 
provides just what the town needs, and not more. This is an environmentally 
sound model, if not one for thriving capitalism. Lincoln's affordable housing 
can be expanded without giving up control to developers.

Many people move to Lincoln specifically to avoid the traffic and commercial 
pressures that are evident in neighboring towns, once beautifully semi-rural, 
now overbuilt with strip malls. Lincoln has been preserved over the decades by 
careful planning and zoning.

 As an example of developer-friendly zoning, Lexington has long had commercial 
zoning in the center, yet there are empty storefronts and over a dozen random 
banks. There are only two restaurants that have lasted over the years, dozens 
have shuttered. Zoning for the benefit of developers doesn't guarantee 
businesses will come, or stay. Belmont is also struggling with empty 
storefronts, it is happening across the region. Developers come and go, but 
residents are left with the developers' decisions, rarely based on the long 
term goals of the town. This is not a good model for Lincoln. If Lincoln cedes 
control to developers, it is in perpetuity, it can't be reversed.

Many in town hope that the working group of the HCA ruling will slow the 
process, take the necessary time to address the concerns of the townspeople, 
and allow alternative choices on the ballot.

Gail O'Keefe



On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 8:14 AM DJCP 
mailto:djcp0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The best way to make sure commercial stays commercial is to make the businesses 
viable and the best way to do that is to make sure there are people shopping 
there. Sorry but people from other towns are not flocking to Lincoln to buy $10 
pints of strawberries from Donelans. And I've only been here 5 years and have 
noticed the string of restaurants that have tried to fill the ONE space. 
Whether we make any changes there's no guarantee these businesses will stick 
around. That's capitalism folks. But we can help by AT LEAST zoning for more 
housing in the area.

Diana
Giles Rd

On Sun, Nov 12, 2023, 8:08 AM Peter Buchthal 
mailto:pbucht...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Along similar lines, how can the town ensure commercial space stays commercial 
as the new owners could easily decide to raise very high or not renew any 
commercial lease in order to build more luxury residential units by right as 
long as the project has unused housing units within the zoning allotment.


Peter Buchthal
Weston Rd

On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 12:27 PM David Cuetos 
mailto:davidcue...@gmail.com>> wrote:
How can the RLF guarantee that any particular commercial space will remain once 
they sell the land to Civico? Are they planning to include a requirement for a 
supermarket in the deed? 

[LincolnTalk] Uber at 4 AM?

[Rosamond Delori via Lincoln]

Does anyone have experience with an Uber pick up at 4 AM?

Rosamond


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[LincolnTalk] Rhapsody Recital in Bemis Hall on Sunday, November 19th at 3:00 pm

[Ken Hurd]

Hi LincolnTalkers,On a lighter note and if you’d like a classical break from town politics, please join us this coming Sunday for Rhapsody’s annual performance at Bemis Hall.  Flyer attached, and if you enjoy classical piano music, I hope to see you there!Cheers,Ken<>





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Re: [LincolnTalk] Housing Choice Act and Exclusionary Zoning Report-the HAC will make us even more exclusive.

[Bob Kupperstein]

On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 3:59 PM Bijoy Misra  wrote:

> ... *The overwhelming voice is to exclude the Lincoln*
> *station area until a full analysis is done.*
>
...

> Best regards,
> Bijoy Misra
>
>
I believe this to be completely unsubstantiated.

It may be the view of the loudest/most persistent voices on LT, but AFAIK
there isn't any poll that shows a *majority* view to exclude Lincoln
Station (or anything else to do with the HCA).

-Bob



> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 10:19 AM DJCP  wrote:
>
>> First, I did not say I wanted people from other towns flocking here.  I
>> said the opposite.
>>
>> Second, I would love to maintain the rural character of Lincoln, too, but
>> the fact is we have a severe housing shortage not just in Massachusetts but
>> across the country. Families who work full time, multiple jobs cannot
>> afford apartments, much less condos or homes.  There are people looking to
>> step into home ownership who can't because they are priced out.  The
>> Massachusetts shelter system is full, not just from refugees and
>> immigrants, but from people who cannot find housing, no matter how much
>> assistance they have.  So, yes, even luxury condos would help.  (Though I
>> see the town's commendable track record of negotiating a higher level of
>> affordable housing and trust them to continue to do the same.)  But it is
>> also true that Lincoln's exclusionary zoning - which has maintained the
>> rural character we love - has contributed to the housing crisis.   Lastly,
>> I would love more taxpayers to come to town because in the end I am also a
>> capitalist and would like to see my taxes go down.  So I can buy berries
>> for my kids with abandon.
>>
>> Diana
>> Giles Rd
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 9:45 AM gail o'keefe 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Why on earth would we want people from other towns flocking to Lincoln
>>> for their groceries?? The beauty of Lincoln's current commercial area is it
>>> provides just what the town needs, and not more. This is an environmentally
>>> sound model, if not one for thriving capitalism. Lincoln's affordable
>>> housing can be expanded without giving up control to developers.
>>>
>>> Many people move to Lincoln specifically to avoid the traffic and
>>> commercial pressures that are evident in neighboring towns, once
>>> beautifully semi-rural, now overbuilt with strip malls. Lincoln has been
>>> preserved over the decades by careful planning and zoning.
>>>
>>>  As an example of developer-friendly zoning, Lexington has long had
>>> commercial zoning in the center, yet there are empty storefronts and over a
>>> dozen random banks. There are only two restaurants that have lasted over
>>> the years, dozens have shuttered. Zoning for the benefit of developers
>>> doesn't guarantee businesses will come, or stay. Belmont is also struggling
>>> with empty storefronts, it is happening across the region. Developers come
>>> and go, but residents are left with the developers' decisions, rarely based
>>> on the long term goals of the town. This is not a good model for Lincoln.
>>> If Lincoln cedes control to developers, it is in perpetuity, it can't be
>>> reversed.
>>>
>>> Many in town hope that the working group of the HCA ruling will slow the
>>> process, take the necessary time to address the concerns of the
>>> townspeople, and allow alternative choices on the ballot.
>>>
>>> Gail O'Keefe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 8:14 AM DJCP  wrote:
>>>
 The best way to make sure commercial stays commercial is to make the
 businesses viable and the best way to do that is to make sure there are
 people shopping there. Sorry but people from other towns are not flocking
 to Lincoln to buy $10 pints of strawberries from Donelans. And I've only
 been here 5 years and have noticed the string of restaurants that have
 tried to fill the ONE space. Whether we make any changes there's no
 guarantee these businesses will stick around. That's capitalism folks. But
 we can help by AT LEAST zoning for more housing in the area.

 Diana
 Giles Rd

 On Sun, Nov 12, 2023, 8:08 AM Peter Buchthal 
 wrote:

> Along similar lines, how can the town ensure commercial space stays
> commercial as the new owners could easily decide to raise very high or not
> renew any commercial lease in order to build more luxury residential units
> by right as long as the project has unused housing units within the zoning
> allotment.
>
>
> Peter Buchthal
> Weston Rd
>
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 12:27 PM David Cuetos 
> wrote:
>
>> How can the RLF guarantee that any particular commercial space will
>> remain once they sell the land to Civico? Are they planning to include
>> a requirement for a supermarket in the deed? Anything else would just be 
>> a
>> "recommendation".
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 6:09 PM Margo Fisher-Martin <
>> margo.fisher.mar...@gmail.com> wrote:

[LincolnTalk] Last day for FELS Thanksgiving Pie Orders!

[Nancy Marshall]

Our sale closes at midnight tonight! Please consider purchasing a pie or
respond to our annual appeal mailing, or both!

 FELS, the Foundation for Educators at Lincoln-Sudbury - [www.FELSGrant.org
](http://www.felsgrant.org/), is delighted to offer its annual Thanksgiving
Pie Sale again this year.  We are grateful to Tom Fosnot and Ruth-Anne
Adams, LSRHS parents and owner/chefs of The Hyve, for offering their
talents in crafting an array of wonderful Thanksgiving dessert choices.
Pies can be ordered through our extended deadline November 13 via our
website [www.FELSGrant.org](http://www.felsgrant.org/).  Pick-up will be
Tuesday, November 21. Pick-up times and location information are on the pie
ordering website.

 Pies can also be purchased as a gift for LSRHS faculty and staff and/or
for donation to the Lincoln or Sudbury Fire and Police and to the Sudbury
Food Pantry at Ascension Parish/Our Lady of Fatima Church in Sudbury. A
donor has notified the Lincoln Food Pantry that they will supply pies for
all households who utilize the Pantry, and thus further donations for them
from FELS are not needed this year. All gifted and donated pies will be
delivered by FELS to their respective recipients.

 Don't need a pie this Thanksgiving? Please consider a donation to FELS.
Our goal for our 2023 Annual Appeal is $15,000.

 FELS, the Foundation for Educators at LSRHS, is a non-profit organization
founded in 2000 by then-Lincoln-Sudbury parent Peter von Mertens that
awards enrichment grants to Lincoln-Sudbury High School faculty and staff
to pursue their professional and personal interests and passions. FELS
offers parents a tangible way to show their appreciation to the L-S
professional staff for the unflagging dedication, tireless effort, and
genuine caring they routinely offer our children. Our guiding principle is
“Inspired Teachers Inspire Students.” For further questions, contact Nancy
Marshall at ad...@felsgrant.org.

 Thank you.

Nancy Marshall
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