[LincolnTalk] For Decades, Southern States Considered Thanksgiving an Act of Northern Aggression

[Sara Mattes]

And we thought our debates over the Community Center and HCA zoning were 
heated, pumpkin pie seems to have out done us.


For Decades, Southern States Considered Thanksgiving an Act of Northern 
Aggression
In the 19th century, pumpkin pie ignited a culture war.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/thanksgiving-pumpkin-pie-culture-war?utm_source=share_by_email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mailto_share
 

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[LincolnTalk] non-turkey Thanksgiving

[Bijoy Misra]

Dear friends,,
In this town of Lincoln, I am a minority Hindu of Indian descent.
Hindu is not a prescriptive religion, it is an empirical belief system
of acknowledgement.  That our existence is a blessing of myriads
of other objects and cosmos is the acknowledgement.  I will
complete twenty years of my residence in Lincoln next April.
I thank you all for being good friends, wise neighbors, loving
elders and analytic young professionals. Above all, I thank you
all for the deep respect to the ground, to the earth.  The ground
is the core teacher of Hinduism. We dig it, we tear it and it still
blesses us with food and shelter.  It's the Mother.  Let us continue
to respect the ground in our own way.  Let the ground continue to
bless us with her trees, herbs, flowers, animals, birds and insects.  .
Happy Thanksgiving.
Best regards,
Bijoy Misra
Bedford Road
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Thankful to live in Lincoln

[Terri via Lincoln]

 Happy Thanksgiving Lincoln! 
I'd like to sprinkle alittle humor into this conversation. so I'll tag onto 
Sara's "One Fell Swoop" comment with a hilarious skit from my favorite 
comedian.. Nate Borgatze.  Enjoy... don't worry no profanities!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldwfL1gJ4jw


Terri Kafina. :)
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 11:48:19 AM EST, Sara Mattes 
 wrote:  
 
 I suggest you put LincolnTalk in the search function, scan and delete in one 
fell swoop.In the alternative, subscribe for the digest format and it will 
arrive as a package- easy to digest…as I pray the meal we will probably stuff 
ourselves with is too.🥂

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 23, 2023, at 11:08 AM, Donald Fonseca  wrote:




You might be happily retired. Speak for yourself. 200 plus emails a week packed 
in with desirable emails becomes a full-time job. One suitable for a retired 
person sipping a cup of Joe in the morning. 
It always amuses me when people cannot see beyond themselves. On this 
Thanksgiving Day, not because you don’t have a problem, that does not mean that 
someone else does not. 
Get Outlook for iOSFrom: Scott Clary 
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2023 10:48:24 AM
To: Donald Fonseca 
Cc: John Mendelson ; LincolnTalk 

Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Thankful to live in Lincoln Happy Thanksgiving 
Lincoln!
We all have the the ability to not open an email and hit the delete button. 

Kind Regards,

Scott Clary
617-968-5769

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On Wed, Nov 22, 2023, 10:56 PM Donald Fonseca  wrote:

I second that. Between the bias war talk, HCA, and the CC, I am overwhelmed. 
This is made worst by certain individuals who thing they should send multiple 
emails, often in bold, on a daily basis. 
I have opted to unsubscribe and I have confirmation of the same yet they keep 
coming. Help admin!
Donald
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Thankful to live in Lincoln

[Anne Warner]

Let’s just be grateful, all together, for the life we lead now in Lincoln. We pay attention to war; and we forget to appreciate peace. Part of peaceful coexistence is the ability and social structure that enables us to discuss our differences respectfully. I delete a lot of LincolnTalk emails (right now I’ve completely stopped reading the HCA ones…) but I still celebrate the fact that people have this vehicle as a mode of community discussion. We live in a consummately beautiful place where we feel safe. How great that is in today’s world. - Sent from iPhone. Typed by thumb. Excuse misspellings! On Nov 23, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Donald Fonseca  wrote:





You might be happily retired. Speak for yourself. 200 plus emails a week packed in with desirable emails becomes a full-time job. One suitable for a retired person sipping a cup of Joe in the morning. 


It always amuses me when people cannot see beyond themselves. On this Thanksgiving Day, not because you don’t have a problem, that does not mean that someone else does not. 



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From: Scott Clary 
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2023 10:48:24 AM
To: Donald Fonseca 
Cc: John Mendelson ; LincolnTalk 
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Thankful to live in Lincoln
 


Happy Thanksgiving Lincoln!


We all have the the ability to not open an email and hit the delete button. 

Kind Regards,

Scott Clary
617-968-5769

Sent from a mobile device - please excuse typos and errors    




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I second that. Between the bias war talk, HCA, and the CC, I am overwhelmed. This is made worst by certain individuals who thing they should send multiple emails, often in bold, on a daily basis. 


I have opted to unsubscribe and I have confirmation of the same yet they keep coming. Help admin!


Donald





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Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2023 8:48:56 PM
To: LincolnTalk 
Subject: [LincolnTalk] Thankful to live in Lincoln
 


We are all lucky to live here.  Now, how about a nice 4-day break from HCA chatter on Lincoln Talk?


My in-box and peace of mind could use it.


John



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[LincolnTalk] What is the REAL tax increase for the CC project?

[Edward Young via Lincoln]

Andy Wang wrote of my post about the Select Board’s November 16 mailing: “Not 
going to argue on the 'prominence' of the presentation, just pointing out that 
the values seem to be properly labeled and consistent. " 

But the PROMINENCE with which the various numbers are presented to the voters 
is the ENTIRE point of my post. Why are the most important numbers buried, or 
not included at all, and an extraneous number highlighted? 

In fuller detail:

1. The information most critical to town citizens about the tax effects of each 
of the three proposals they are being asked to vote upon, which have proposed 
costs of $12.5M, $18.75M and $25M respectively, is presumably what percentage 
increases in their taxes are estimated for each price point. That is certainly 
the first thing I would want to know. These percentages are nowhere disclosed 
in the mailing. Why were these numbers not the numbers most prominently set 
forth? Why were they not included at all?

2. Yes, a useful way of illustrating these percentage increases would be to 
translate them into dollar amounts for a Lincoln home of median value. But the 
fourth page merely says “TAX IMPACT: Up to $773 increase,” “TAX IMPACT: Up to 
$541 increase,” and “TAX IMPACT: Up to $387 increase” without saying that these 
numbers are for a median home and that for half the town residents the dollar 
amount would necessarily be larger than the “Up to” amount. Also it is not 
disclosed there that the increase would be in effect for decades, not for a 
single year. Why was not clearer language such as “ANNUAL TAX IMPACT FOR MEDIAN 
HOME” used instead of  “TAX IMPACT: Up to $773 increase”? Doesn’t that wording 
imply that nobody would have an increase greater than $773?

3. Later on, you can find a reference that the tax impact number is per median 
home if you read the tiny type on the fifth page. This illustrates my point 
about prominence of disclosure.

4. Later on, the sixth page sets forth tables of numbers for hypothetical 
amounts of borrowings at price points that bear no relation to the proposed 
costs for the project, so that voters must calculate the necessary adjustments 
to the real numbers for themselves, assuming that the entire cost of the 
project is to be bonded and the debt service paid entirely by future taxes. How 
does using hypothetical amounts rather than the actual proposed amounts aid the 
readers’ understanding? And why is the hypothetical dollar amount, which is far 
less than any of the proposed project costs, the one that gets highlighted by 
itself in the left hand column? Voters don’t need to know the dollar amount for 
a hypothetical $10M, they need to know the actual dollar amounts for the actual 
price points they are voting on.

5. There is a reference to a "Stabilization balance" of $5.5M but no 
explanation is provided as to what this term means or how it relates to the 
cost of the project. If it is meant to imply that some portion of the project 
cost may be paid out of existing town funds, it should also be pointed out that 
those funds came from past taxes and that any other uses to which they would 
otherwise have been put would need to be funded from future taxes.

6. One would expect that the most important information for voters would be 
highlighted by presenting it (for example) in the largest type size, in 
boldface, on the stand-alone page with lots of white space that is captioned 
“ESTIMATED TAX IMPACT.” Instead, the “ESTIMATED TAX IMPACT” page does not 
mention either the estimated percentage increases in everybody’s tax bill or 
the estimated dollar amounts for a median home; instead, the dollar amount most 
prominently displayed on the “ESTIMATED TAX IMPACT” page is a number for the 
tax impact of servicing a hypothetical amount of debt ($10M) that is lower than 
any of the costs proposed for the project ($12.5M. $18.75M and $25M). Please 
explain why that number is highlighted while some (but not all) of the numbers 
corresponding to the actual proposed costs are set forth elsewhere in smaller 
non-bold type on densely packed pages and without any of the necessary 
explanation provided on the later pages. 

Those are the kinds of questions that I know the Securities and Exchange 
Commission staff would raise if a company presented numbers in a draft of a 
document in the manner presented in the November 16 mailing. The SEC folks 
definitely recognize that the prominence with which data catches the reader’s 
eye, and the orderliness with which the information is presented, is every bit 
as important as whether everything gets printed in small print somewhere in the 
document. (And of course the estimated percentage increases in everybody’s tax 
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[LincolnTalk] Free stone dust

[Stephen Dirrane]

Hello LincolnTalk,

It’s been an age old tradition in our family to give out stone dust on 
Thanksgiving. We have 2-3 yards or prime Cavechios stone dust, buttery smooth, 
which we’d love to share, just as the Wampanoag shared with the Pilgrims.

Either email or text me at  (978) 369-0024 if interested. And have a lovely 
Thanksgiving. 

Kind regards 
Stephen Dirrane

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[LincolnTalk] December Happenings at the Lincoln Public Library

[Ran Cronin]

Here are just a few of the many events happening at LPL in December:

The Nutcracker: A Preview

Friday, December 1, 4-5 PM, Tarbell Room, Lincoln Public Library
Join
us for a reading of The Nutcracker geared to young children accompanied by
dancers from the Commonwealth Ballet Company acting out some of the parts.
Children get to meet the dancers after the reading.

The Boston Tea Party: A “What Was” Book Discussion!

Wednesday, December 6, 3-4 PM, Tarbell Room, Lincoln Public Library


Celebrate "America's 250!" Join us for a discussion of the book What Was
the Boston Tea Party? to commemorate the 250th anniversary of the notorious
Dec 16, 1773 event. Books will be available at the Children's Desk to be
read in advance. This event is perfect for families interested in history.
Best for ages 6+ but anyone is welcome. Discussion, craft, and light
refreshments served. Registration is limited to 30 for this
discussion. Register
here

!

VIRTUAl Boston Tea Party at the 250th Anniversary

Thursday, December 7, 7-8 PM, Register for Zoom Link
This
year marks the 250th anniversary of the Boston Tea Party, a political
protest that occurred on December 16, 1773 in Boston. Bringing vividly to
life the diverse array of people and places that the Tea Party brought
together — from Chinese tea-pickers to English businessmen, Native American
tribes, sugar plantation slaves, and Boston’s ladies of leisure —
Professor Benjamin
L. Carp will share with us how a determined group of New Englanders shook
the foundations of the British Empire, and what this has meant for
Americans since.

Benjamin L. Carp is the Daniel M. Lyons Professor of American History at
Brooklyn College and teaches at the Graduate Center of the City University
of New York. His latest book is The Great New York Fire of 1776: A Lost
Story of the American Revolution. He also wrote Defiance of the Patriots:
The Boston Tea Party and the Making of America (Yale, 2010), which won the
Cox Book Prize from the Society of the Cincinnati in 2013, and Rebels
Rising: Cities and the American Revolution (Oxford, 2007). Register here!


LOMA Open Mike featuring Geoff Goodhue & Friends

Tuesday, December 12, 7-10 PM, Tarbell Room, Lincoln Public Library
Raised
in Boxford, Massachusetts, Geoff graduated from Ohio University in 2004
with a B.F.A. in Percussion Performance and currently lives in Jackson, New
Hampshire. His family outfit, The Goodhues Band, was featured at the 2016
Mountain Laurel Autoharp Gathering. Come listen to Geoff and his friends!
LOMA is a monthly open mike night event. For a slot, performers should
email Rich Eilbert at loma...@gmail.com (before noon of the open-mike day)
or sign up at the event.

Gingerbread Fun!

Wednesday, December 12, 4-5:30 PM, Tarbell Room, Lincoln Public Library
Get
into the holiday spirit with gingerbread stories and cookie decorating! All
materials will be provided. Intended for children aged 5+. Register is
required. Register by emailing dleop...@minlib.net.

VIRTUAL Brain Health with Dr. Jonathan Rosand

Thursday, December 14, 7-8 PM, Register for Zoom Link
Join
us for a talk about brain health with Critical Care Neurologist Jonathan
Rosand, MD. Dr. Rosand’s talk will focus on brain care and brain health
prevention, with a specific focus on lifestyle behaviors and modifications
that can help one delay or prevent the incidence of dementia and late in
life depression. He’s spoken about this topic many times over the years,
and will have a series of slides to share and time for questions at the
end. Register here!



A Gathering of Celtic and Christmas with Jeff Snow

Friday, December 15, 12:30-1:30 PM at Bemis Hall, Council on Aging & Health
Services
Join
us for a celebration of Celtic and Christmas music at Bemis Hall, Council
on Aging & Health Services! Jeff Snow is a talented multi-instrumentalist
who plays the music and tells the stories behind the songs. He plays six
and twelve string guitar, autoharp, Celtic Bouzouki & Bodhran. Learn more
about Jeff’s music at his website, jeffsnow.net, and come hear him 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Thankful to live in Lincoln

[Sara Mattes]

I suggest you put LincolnTalk in the search function, scan and delete in one fell swoop.In the alternative, subscribe for the digest format and it will arrive as a package- easy to digest…as I pray the meal we will probably stuff ourselves with is too.🥂Sent from my iPadOn Nov 23, 2023, at 11:08 AM, Donald Fonseca  wrote:





You might be happily retired. Speak for yourself. 200 plus emails a week packed in with desirable emails becomes a full-time job. One suitable for a retired person sipping a cup of Joe in the morning. 


It always amuses me when people cannot see beyond themselves. On this Thanksgiving Day, not because you don’t have a problem, that does not mean that someone else does not. 



Get Outlook for iOS


From: Scott Clary 
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2023 10:48:24 AM
To: Donald Fonseca 
Cc: John Mendelson ; LincolnTalk 
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Thankful to live in Lincoln
 


Happy Thanksgiving Lincoln!


We all have the the ability to not open an email and hit the delete button. 

Kind Regards,

Scott Clary
617-968-5769

Sent from a mobile device - please excuse typos and errors    




On Wed, Nov 22, 2023, 10:56 PM Donald Fonseca  wrote:





I second that. Between the bias war talk, HCA, and the CC, I am overwhelmed. This is made worst by certain individuals who thing they should send multiple emails, often in bold, on a daily basis. 


I have opted to unsubscribe and I have confirmation of the same yet they keep coming. Help admin!


Donald





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From: Lincoln 
 on behalf of John Mendelson 
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2023 8:48:56 PM
To: LincolnTalk 
Subject: [LincolnTalk] Thankful to live in Lincoln
 


We are all lucky to live here.  Now, how about a nice 4-day break from HCA chatter on Lincoln Talk?


My in-box and peace of mind could use it.


John



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Re: [LincolnTalk] Thankful to live in Lincoln

[Donald Fonseca]

You might be happily retired. Speak for yourself. 200 plus emails a week packed 
in with desirable emails becomes a full-time job. One suitable for a retired 
person sipping a cup of Joe in the morning.

It always amuses me when people cannot see beyond themselves. On this 
Thanksgiving Day, not because you don’t have a problem, that does not mean that 
someone else does not.

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From: Scott Clary 
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2023 10:48:24 AM
To: Donald Fonseca 
Cc: John Mendelson ; LincolnTalk 

Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Thankful to live in Lincoln

Happy Thanksgiving Lincoln!

We all have the the ability to not open an email and hit the delete button.

Kind Regards,

Scott Clary
617-968-5769

Sent from a mobile device - please excuse typos and errors

On Wed, Nov 22, 2023, 10:56 PM Donald Fonseca 
mailto:dfonseca2...@outlook.com>> wrote:
I second that. Between the bias war talk, HCA, and the CC, I am overwhelmed. 
This is made worst by certain individuals who thing they should send multiple 
emails, often in bold, on a daily basis.

I have opted to unsubscribe and I have confirmation of the same yet they keep 
coming. Help admin!

Donald

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From: Lincoln 
mailto:lincoln-boun...@lincolntalk.org>> on 
behalf of John Mendelson 
mailto:johntmendel...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2023 8:48:56 PM
To: LincolnTalk mailto:lincoln@lincolntalk.org>>
Subject: [LincolnTalk] Thankful to live in Lincoln

We are all lucky to live here.  Now, how about a nice 4-day break from HCA 
chatter on Lincoln Talk?

My in-box and peace of mind could use it.

John
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Thankful to live in Lincoln

[V Saleme]

Thanks and happy Thanksgiving to you as well Scott and everyone else!

Vic

On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 10:48 AM Scott Clary  wrote:

> Happy Thanksgiving Lincoln!
>
> We all have the the ability to not open an email and hit the delete
> button.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Scott Clary
> 617-968-5769
>
> Sent from a mobile device - please excuse typos and errors
>
> On Wed, Nov 22, 2023, 10:56 PM Donald Fonseca 
> wrote:
>
>> I second that. Between the bias war talk, HCA, and the CC, I am
>> overwhelmed. This is made worst by certain individuals who thing they
>> should send multiple emails, often in bold, on a daily basis.
>>
>> I have opted to unsubscribe and I have confirmation of the same yet they
>> keep coming. Help admin!
>>
>> Donald
>>
>> Get Outlook for iOS 
>> --
>> *From:* Lincoln  on behalf of John
>> Mendelson 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 22, 2023 8:48:56 PM
>> *To:* LincolnTalk 
>> *Subject:* [LincolnTalk] Thankful to live in Lincoln
>>
>>
> We are all lucky to live here.  Now, how about a nice 4-day break from HCA
>> chatter on Lincoln Talk?
>>
>> My in-box and peace of mind could use it.
>>
>> John
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Thankful to live in Lincoln

[Scott Clary]

Happy Thanksgiving Lincoln!

We all have the the ability to not open an email and hit the delete button.

Kind Regards,

Scott Clary
617-968-5769

Sent from a mobile device - please excuse typos and errors

On Wed, Nov 22, 2023, 10:56 PM Donald Fonseca 
wrote:

> I second that. Between the bias war talk, HCA, and the CC, I am
> overwhelmed. This is made worst by certain individuals who thing they
> should send multiple emails, often in bold, on a daily basis.
>
> I have opted to unsubscribe and I have confirmation of the same yet they
> keep coming. Help admin!
>
> Donald
>
> Get Outlook for iOS 
> --
> *From:* Lincoln  on behalf of John
> Mendelson 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 22, 2023 8:48:56 PM
> *To:* LincolnTalk 
> *Subject:* [LincolnTalk] Thankful to live in Lincoln
>
> We are all lucky to live here.  Now, how about a nice 4-day break from HCA
> chatter on Lincoln Talk?
>
> My in-box and peace of mind could use it.
>
> John
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Radical change in Lincoln

[Sara Mattes]

You are correct- this issue comes up every time there is a hot issue(s) on the Warrant.But, to date, no one has done the serious work to explore options.We are are a town of volunteers, so I urge all who are interested to explore the state constitution and all Town legal docs to see if and how you could achieve these goals.Create a 21st century League of Women Voters, which, in Lincoln always included men.Have a great holiday.Dig into turkey, the dig into the research.And then, let’s talk turkey!Sent from my iPadOn Nov 21, 2023, at 4:59 PM, Michael Dembowski  wrote:Andy-THANK YOU - I wholly applaud your email and thoughts here as many Lincolnites would welcome such changes.Town Meeting is archaic to the point of being exclusionary and disenfranchising - as many point out, it is not in step with modern life. In our household, work and family commitments on Town Meeting Days prevent participation by necessity. A refresh on the format would reinvigorate the forum, allowing for the possibility of much broader participation.Imagine no postings, discussion or suggestion that decisions were made by the select few who could be physically present for such a length of time.This can't be the first time these ideas have been raised. What has prevented action in the past and how can any proposed suggestions gain traction and then be implemented?Michael DembowskiConant RoadOn Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 11:57 PM Andy Wang  wrote:Unfortunately, there are specific rules that govern an Open Town Meeting like Lincoln that do not allow for matters that are decided at Town Meeting to be replaced by a traditional ballot vote. Given that the March 2024 meeting will cover two "Hot Topic" Issues, the bonding for the Community Center and the HCA rezoning, this one I assume is going to be a doozy.  And that's on top of all the other typical yearly business of the town (presentations, budget, etc).I believe there is a possible mechanism to be more inclusive, if the Town and Moderator decide to:I propose that we hold Town Meeting in two sessions. Session A: Presentations, Debate & Amendments only.  Views are presented, debate to be had, and any amendments are to be discussed and voted on.  The meeting would be live, streamed, & recorded.  The recording would be made available for download after the meeting so people who were not able to attend could catch up on all of the debate, or just educate themselves on the issues that are of import to them. The moderator could then simply adjourn the meeting without vote (on the actual question).  They have this power in general for cases when meetings run late and can re-convene at a later date, provided that date is before the ballot vote.Caveats: - Anyone attending on-line would NOT be able to pose questions / make statements, this violates the rules of Town Meeting, you must be present to be recognized - Anyone not attending in person would not be able to vote on any amendments- All questions would need to be called, which closes debateSession B: Voting.  This would occur on the last Saturday before the last Monday in March as required by the town by-laws.  Assuming people have been to Session A or downloaded and reviewed the material that is relevant to them, we now have a population of well-informed voters who can come in and just knock out the votes in succession (the question would have already "been called" in Session A, which closes further debate).  This format would be much easier for parents to allow a smaller fixed period of time to vote on issues and anyone else with a busy schedule.The actual text of the by-law timing is here:"The Annual Town Meeting shall be held on the Saturday before the last Monday in March in each
year at 9:30 A.M. for the transaction of all business except that the election of officers and the
determination of such matters as by law are required to be elected or determined by ballot shall take
place on the last Monday in March, when the polls shall be open from 7:30 A.M. until 7:00 P.M., or
to such later time up to 8:00 P.M. as the Moderator may determine, provided, however, that whenever
the date for the Annual Town Meeting, as hereby established, falls on the Saturday before Easter
Sunday, the Annual Town Meeting shall be held on the preceding Saturday, although the Election and
ballot questions hereinabove described shall still be held on the last Monday in March."Not covered in this:- Military / Reserve duty votes are still not able to be counted- Foreign nationals that live in town, and even those that live in town and own property that would be impacted can not vote- Proxy voting is not allowedUnfortunately, those would require many more changes, but I believe we can do a two session Town Meeting under current guidelines.  Of course, Town Council would have to review, but I believe this is in the realm of the possible. NH has specific rules that allow for this, but I do not believe that there are rules that preclude it in MA. And if t

Re: [LincolnTalk] What is the REAL tax increase for the CC project?

[Andy Wang]

The $291-$309 value you're referencing on that page is stated as 'Estimated
tax impact *per $10 mil borrowed*'. That dollar value is also for the FY23
Median Home Value ($1,259,900, which has a median tax bill of $17,488), so
it will vary based on individual home prices.   There is also the chart on
the right of that same slide that provides details on the impact based on
how much is borrowed at multiple price points ($10M, $15M, $20M, $25M) of a
CC.  I believe this chart was provided by FinCom.

The other numbers you point out ($387 - $773 for the median tax bill) are
for the prices that CCBC has estimated ($12.5M, $18.75M, $24.01M) for the
three designs.  It looks like they also used the median tax bill and the
upper $309 value, just scaled to the actual price of the community center.
Note, again these are based on median home price ($1,259,900), so if your
property is more or less than that, it will scale accordingly (e.g.

Not going to argue on the 'prominence' of the presentation, just pointing
out that the values seem to be properly labeled and consistent.

- Andy (not the FinCom one...)






On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 12:20 AM Edward Young via Lincoln <
lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:

> Be aware that the average $291-$309 per year number for the projected tax
> impact of the Community Center project, as you will see prominently
> displayed to catch your eye on the sixth page of the Select Board’s
> November 16 mailing under the heading “Estimated Tax Impact”  is far LOWER
> than ANY of the actually projected tax increases for ANY of the proposals,
> as set forth in small type on the fourth page of the same Select Board
> mailing. The actual number ranges from “up to $387 increase” to “up to $773
> increase,” depending on the size of the project.
>
> The $291-309 number is printed in large boldface type, and the heading
> “Estimated Tax Impact” above it is printed in even larger boldface type, on
> a page with lots of white space. In contrast, the actual projections of “up
> to $387 increase," “up to $541 increase,” and “up to $773 increase” are
> printed in smaller, non-boldface type on a page of densely packed
> information.
>
> Based on decades of responding to Securities and Exchange Commission
> comments on clients’ drafts of securities law filings, I can say with
> confidence that the SEC would never allow a company to present numbers in
> the manner chosen for the Select Board’s mailing.
>
> Edward Young
> Bedford Road
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[LincolnTalk] deCordova I Store Thanksgiving Weekend Shopping Hours

[Mary Balogh]

HAPPY THANKSGIVING to you from the deCordova Store!
Our Thanksgiving weekend hours are:

*FRIDAY:  10am - 4pm*  *GREEN FRIDAY:* *Take the **Gratitude and Awe Family
Hike *https://thetrustees.org/event/85855/*, and then stop by the store to
see what's new for the holidays!*
*SATURDAY: 10am - 5pm*  *SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY - Shop small, shop local,
shop at a not-for-profit!*
*SUNDAY:  10am - 5pm*. *MUSEUM STORE SUNDAY** - Members double their store
discount to 20%!*


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Re: [LincolnTalk] Thankful to live in Lincoln

[Danielle Pierce]

With all due respect, this is a huge issue that is being voted on very
soon.  Moreover, there seem to be a lot of things that are only now being
discovered.  If people want to talk, they should.   If people don’t want to
talk or listen, they shouldn’t.  But trying to silence people at this point
in the process sounds huge alarm bells.

Danielle Pierce


(Sent from my phone; apologies for formatting issues)


On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 9:49 PM John Mendelson 
wrote:

> We are all lucky to live here.  Now, how about a nice 4-day break from HCA
> chatter on Lincoln Talk?
>
> My in-box and peace of mind could use it.
>
> John
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