Re: [LincolnTalk] bus service from hanscom
FWIW Anne, I've never seen the bus stop there; you would have to walk a the way down to the Civil Air terminal. I think the website is a lie. Sorry. :( There is zero public transit a reasonable walking distance from our houses. Best, Virginia On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 9:29 AM Anne Warner wrote: > I have experience with the 76 bus -- and not good experience! The website > says there is a busstop at the intersection of Rt 2A and the entrance road > to Hanscom field. However, there is no sign there. I went to that place > when I needed to get into town and tried to wave down a bus, but the driver > shook his head and refused to stop. What gives, does anyone know? > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 6:12 AM Carl Angiolillo > wrote: > >> I am sorry you had such an uncomfortable experience, that sounds awful. >> >> Does anyone else have actual experience with the 76 bus? Several people >> in other threads have recommended it but it's not clear how many of them >> have actually taken it. As someone who commuted by transit for many years >> I found recommendations from fellow straphangers more useful. >> >> Another good reality check is ridership numbers. According to 2018 >> ridership data*, on an average weekday ~11 people got on and ~11 people got >> off at Old Bedford Rd, ~6 people got on and ~6 people got off at the Civil >> Air Terminal, and ~288 people got on and ~259 people got off at Lincoln >> Station. >> >> So while there were people who relied on both in 2018, the train appeared >> to be ~16 times more popular despite being more expensive and similar in >> scheduled travel time. >> >> Carl >> Codman Rd >> >> * I pulled data from Spring 2018 for Lincoln Station at >> https://mbta-massdot.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/MassDOT::mbta-commuter-rail-ridership-by-trip-season-route-line-and-stop/explore >> and data for Fall 2018 for Old Bedford Rd and Civil Air Terminal >> https://mbta-massdot.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/MassDOT::mbta-bus-ridership-by-trip-season-route-line-and-stop/explore >> >> >> Unfortunately they did not have data from the same season and it's >> certainly possible that some of the difference is due to seasonal >> differences but I would not expect it to be this substantial. It's also >> possible that there is an error in my calculations or I am misinterpreting >> the source data so I'd encourage anyone who is interested to double-check >> my work. >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 6:27 PM Stephanie Smoot < >> stephanieesm...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I used the bus service to Alewife to get into Boston for about three >>> months. I would not recommend using the bus to commute to Boston >>> especially if you live in south Lincoln. While it is about a third cheaper >>> than the commuter rail monthly pass, it is very slow, uncomfortable, and >>> can be dangerous. I would budget two hours in morning and three hours in >>> evening to get back and forth. >>> >>> if you are using it as a commuter, the bus is frequently off schedule so >>> add time. In the morning there were always seats and ran close to schedule >>> but the bus filled up as it slowly worked its way thru Lexington. Time to >>> get to Alewife is about one hour plus any waiting time. Then you would >>> take the red line into boston which has had had many delays so add generous >>> time to get into Boston. >>> >>> The evening route was truly horrible-one of the worst of any public >>> transportation system I have experienced. First, you have to get to >>> Alewife from Boston and there are many delays so add a lot of time. If >>> you miss one of the infrequent evening busses and by then crowds of people >>> were waiting to cram onto bus and you have to stand outside to keep your >>> place for at least an hour. Regularly, the driver did not know the routes >>> and riders were coaching along the way. Once when I as really desperate, >>> I took Bedford bus and got off at I-95 overpass and walked to parking >>> space in Lincoln. But it is very dark,heavy traffic and there are few >>> sidewalks on 2A and it took a lot of time. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> *Stephanie Smoot* >>> >>> 857 368-9175 work >>> 781 941-6842 personal cell >>> *617 595-5217 *work cell >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Browse the archives at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> -- >> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >> Browse the archives at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >> Change your subscription settings at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >> >> > > -- > Anne Taubes Warner > warneran...@gmail.com > -- > The LincolnTalk mailing list. > To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. > Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/ > .
Re: [LincolnTalk] bus service from hanscom
I can speak to the quality (lack thereof) of the 76 bus for commuters. Years ago I lived in Somerville, relatively close to Alewife, and took the 76 out to Lincoln for work. To be blunt: it sucked. As Stephanie has said, it only runs once per hour, even during peak commuting times. Good luck if you miss your bus; you're now an hour late. It takes the better part of an hour to get through Arlington & Lexington, vs. 20 minutes going direct out Rt. 2. Then, in the evening, the schedule inbound gets messy - many of the busses don't come all the way out to Lincoln, but stop at 5 Forks (whatever the hell that is - I think it's the random intersection in Lexington by the gas station on 2A, but that remains unconfirmed). I once misinterpreted it and got stuck at work until 10pm. I didn't have as much hassle as Stephanie on the red line side, since I was only going two stops. Anything further into town does add significant time, as Stephanie said. Anyway, after a few months of diligently attempting to take the bus, I gave up and returned to using my private vehicle. Obviously, I'm very privileged to have that choice. I feel terrible for people who can't afford a car, because the public transit here in the burbs is incredibly inconvenient and time-consuming. Best, Virginia Goodwin On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 6:12 AM Carl Angiolillo wrote: > I am sorry you had such an uncomfortable experience, that sounds awful. > > Does anyone else have actual experience with the 76 bus? Several people in > other threads have recommended it but it's not clear how many of them have > actually taken it. As someone who commuted by transit for many years > I found recommendations from fellow straphangers more useful. > > Another good reality check is ridership numbers. According to 2018 > ridership data*, on an average weekday ~11 people got on and ~11 people got > off at Old Bedford Rd, ~6 people got on and ~6 people got off at the Civil > Air Terminal, and ~288 people got on and ~259 people got off at Lincoln > Station. > > So while there were people who relied on both in 2018, the train appeared > to be ~16 times more popular despite being more expensive and similar in > scheduled travel time. > > Carl > Codman Rd > > * I pulled data from Spring 2018 for Lincoln Station at > https://mbta-massdot.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/MassDOT::mbta-commuter-rail-ridership-by-trip-season-route-line-and-stop/explore > and data for Fall 2018 for Old Bedford Rd and Civil Air Terminal > https://mbta-massdot.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/MassDOT::mbta-bus-ridership-by-trip-season-route-line-and-stop/explore > > > Unfortunately they did not have data from the same season and it's > certainly possible that some of the difference is due to seasonal > differences but I would not expect it to be this substantial. It's also > possible that there is an error in my calculations or I am misinterpreting > the source data so I'd encourage anyone who is interested to double-check > my work. > > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 6:27 PM Stephanie Smoot > wrote: > >> I used the bus service to Alewife to get into Boston for about three >> months. I would not recommend using the bus to commute to Boston >> especially if you live in south Lincoln. While it is about a third cheaper >> than the commuter rail monthly pass, it is very slow, uncomfortable, and >> can be dangerous. I would budget two hours in morning and three hours in >> evening to get back and forth. >> >> if you are using it as a commuter, the bus is frequently off schedule so >> add time. In the morning there were always seats and ran close to schedule >> but the bus filled up as it slowly worked its way thru Lexington. Time to >> get to Alewife is about one hour plus any waiting time. Then you would >> take the red line into boston which has had had many delays so add generous >> time to get into Boston. >> >> The evening route was truly horrible-one of the worst of any public >> transportation system I have experienced. First, you have to get to >> Alewife from Boston and there are many delays so add a lot of time. If >> you miss one of the infrequent evening busses and by then crowds of people >> were waiting to cram onto bus and you have to stand outside to keep your >> place for at least an hour. Regularly, the driver did not know the routes >> and riders were coaching along the way. Once when I as really desperate, >> I took Bedford bus and got off at I-95 overpass and walked to parking >> space in Lincoln. But it is very dark,heavy traffic and there are few >> sidewalks on 2A and it took a lot of time. >> >> >> Regards, >> *Stephanie Smoot* >> >> 857 368-9175 work >> 781 941-6842 personal cell >> *617 595-5217 *work cell >> >> >> >> -- >> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >> Browse the archives at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >> Change your subscription settings at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo
Re: [LincolnTalk] bus service from hanscom
I have experience with the 76 bus -- and not good experience! The website says there is a busstop at the intersection of Rt 2A and the entrance road to Hanscom field. However, there is no sign there. I went to that place when I needed to get into town and tried to wave down a bus, but the driver shook his head and refused to stop. What gives, does anyone know? On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 6:12 AM Carl Angiolillo wrote: > I am sorry you had such an uncomfortable experience, that sounds awful. > > Does anyone else have actual experience with the 76 bus? Several people in > other threads have recommended it but it's not clear how many of them have > actually taken it. As someone who commuted by transit for many years > I found recommendations from fellow straphangers more useful. > > Another good reality check is ridership numbers. According to 2018 > ridership data*, on an average weekday ~11 people got on and ~11 people got > off at Old Bedford Rd, ~6 people got on and ~6 people got off at the Civil > Air Terminal, and ~288 people got on and ~259 people got off at Lincoln > Station. > > So while there were people who relied on both in 2018, the train appeared > to be ~16 times more popular despite being more expensive and similar in > scheduled travel time. > > Carl > Codman Rd > > * I pulled data from Spring 2018 for Lincoln Station at > https://mbta-massdot.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/MassDOT::mbta-commuter-rail-ridership-by-trip-season-route-line-and-stop/explore > and data for Fall 2018 for Old Bedford Rd and Civil Air Terminal > https://mbta-massdot.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/MassDOT::mbta-bus-ridership-by-trip-season-route-line-and-stop/explore > > > Unfortunately they did not have data from the same season and it's > certainly possible that some of the difference is due to seasonal > differences but I would not expect it to be this substantial. It's also > possible that there is an error in my calculations or I am misinterpreting > the source data so I'd encourage anyone who is interested to double-check > my work. > > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 6:27 PM Stephanie Smoot > wrote: > >> I used the bus service to Alewife to get into Boston for about three >> months. I would not recommend using the bus to commute to Boston >> especially if you live in south Lincoln. While it is about a third cheaper >> than the commuter rail monthly pass, it is very slow, uncomfortable, and >> can be dangerous. I would budget two hours in morning and three hours in >> evening to get back and forth. >> >> if you are using it as a commuter, the bus is frequently off schedule so >> add time. In the morning there were always seats and ran close to schedule >> but the bus filled up as it slowly worked its way thru Lexington. Time to >> get to Alewife is about one hour plus any waiting time. Then you would >> take the red line into boston which has had had many delays so add generous >> time to get into Boston. >> >> The evening route was truly horrible-one of the worst of any public >> transportation system I have experienced. First, you have to get to >> Alewife from Boston and there are many delays so add a lot of time. If >> you miss one of the infrequent evening busses and by then crowds of people >> were waiting to cram onto bus and you have to stand outside to keep your >> place for at least an hour. Regularly, the driver did not know the routes >> and riders were coaching along the way. Once when I as really desperate, >> I took Bedford bus and got off at I-95 overpass and walked to parking >> space in Lincoln. But it is very dark,heavy traffic and there are few >> sidewalks on 2A and it took a lot of time. >> >> >> Regards, >> *Stephanie Smoot* >> >> 857 368-9175 work >> 781 941-6842 personal cell >> *617 595-5217 *work cell >> >> >> >> -- >> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >> Browse the archives at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >> Change your subscription settings at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >> >> -- > The LincolnTalk mailing list. > To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. > Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/ > . > Change your subscription settings at > https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. > > -- Anne Taubes Warner warneran...@gmail.com -- The LincolnTalk mailing list. To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.
Re: [LincolnTalk] bus service from hanscom
I am sorry you had such an uncomfortable experience, that sounds awful. Does anyone else have actual experience with the 76 bus? Several people in other threads have recommended it but it's not clear how many of them have actually taken it. As someone who commuted by transit for many years I found recommendations from fellow straphangers more useful. Another good reality check is ridership numbers. According to 2018 ridership data*, on an average weekday ~11 people got on and ~11 people got off at Old Bedford Rd, ~6 people got on and ~6 people got off at the Civil Air Terminal, and ~288 people got on and ~259 people got off at Lincoln Station. So while there were people who relied on both in 2018, the train appeared to be ~16 times more popular despite being more expensive and similar in scheduled travel time. Carl Codman Rd * I pulled data from Spring 2018 for Lincoln Station at https://mbta-massdot.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/MassDOT::mbta-commuter-rail-ridership-by-trip-season-route-line-and-stop/explore and data for Fall 2018 for Old Bedford Rd and Civil Air Terminal https://mbta-massdot.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/MassDOT::mbta-bus-ridership-by-trip-season-route-line-and-stop/explore Unfortunately they did not have data from the same season and it's certainly possible that some of the difference is due to seasonal differences but I would not expect it to be this substantial. It's also possible that there is an error in my calculations or I am misinterpreting the source data so I'd encourage anyone who is interested to double-check my work. On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 6:27 PM Stephanie Smoot wrote: > I used the bus service to Alewife to get into Boston for about three > months. I would not recommend using the bus to commute to Boston > especially if you live in south Lincoln. While it is about a third cheaper > than the commuter rail monthly pass, it is very slow, uncomfortable, and > can be dangerous. I would budget two hours in morning and three hours in > evening to get back and forth. > > if you are using it as a commuter, the bus is frequently off schedule so > add time. In the morning there were always seats and ran close to schedule > but the bus filled up as it slowly worked its way thru Lexington. Time to > get to Alewife is about one hour plus any waiting time. Then you would > take the red line into boston which has had had many delays so add generous > time to get into Boston. > > The evening route was truly horrible-one of the worst of any public > transportation system I have experienced. First, you have to get to > Alewife from Boston and there are many delays so add a lot of time. If > you miss one of the infrequent evening busses and by then crowds of people > were waiting to cram onto bus and you have to stand outside to keep your > place for at least an hour. Regularly, the driver did not know the routes > and riders were coaching along the way. Once when I as really desperate, > I took Bedford bus and got off at I-95 overpass and walked to parking > space in Lincoln. But it is very dark,heavy traffic and there are few > sidewalks on 2A and it took a lot of time. > > > Regards, > *Stephanie Smoot* > > 857 368-9175 work > 781 941-6842 personal cell > *617 595-5217 *work cell > > > > -- > The LincolnTalk mailing list. > To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. > Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/ > . > Change your subscription settings at > https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. > > -- The LincolnTalk mailing list. To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.
[LincolnTalk] bus service from hanscom
I used the bus service to Alewife to get into Boston for about three months. I would not recommend using the bus to commute to Boston especially if you live in south Lincoln. While it is about a third cheaper than the commuter rail monthly pass, it is very slow, uncomfortable, and can be dangerous. I would budget two hours in morning and three hours in evening to get back and forth. if you are using it as a commuter, the bus is frequently off schedule so add time. In the morning there were always seats and ran close to schedule but the bus filled up as it slowly worked its way thru Lexington. Time to get to Alewife is about one hour plus any waiting time. Then you would take the red line into boston which has had had many delays so add generous time to get into Boston. The evening route was truly horrible-one of the worst of any public transportation system I have experienced. First, you have to get to Alewife from Boston and there are many delays so add a lot of time. If you miss one of the infrequent evening busses and by then crowds of people were waiting to cram onto bus and you have to stand outside to keep your place for at least an hour. Regularly, the driver did not know the routes and riders were coaching along the way. Once when I as really desperate, I took Bedford bus and got off at I-95 overpass and walked to parking space in Lincoln. But it is very dark,heavy traffic and there are few sidewalks on 2A and it took a lot of time. Regards, *Stephanie Smoot* 857 368-9175 work 781 941-6842 personal cell *617 595-5217 *work cell -- The LincolnTalk mailing list. To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.
