Re: [linux] Tucows is retired

2021-02-01 Thread Mike Kenzie
 From tucows page:

Tucows launches in Flint, Michigan
The origins of what is now Tucows began in Flint, Michigan in 1993. While 
working for local libraries, Scott Swedorski noticed the public’s increasing 
interest in the World Wide Web and used his personal website to offer 
downloadable software. He dubbed this service TUCOWS, an acronym for The 
Ultimate Collection of Winsock Software, which quickly gained recognition as 
the first site to offer software on a freeware or shareware basis.
- Charles MacDonald  wrote:
> On 2021-01-27 12:41 p.m., John Argus wrote:
> > Something I just saw that will be of interest to us old timers. 
> > https://tucows.com/retired/
> > 
> > I know I visited the site early in my computer days. Apparently they did 
> > move everything to the internet archives for posterity.
> 
> yes, that site  was almost BEFORE linux.  used it a few times to get 
> stuff for my old Win3.1 computer.
> 
> (My vanity domain is actually registered by the Tucows folks.)
> 
> -- 
> Charles MacDonald  VA3CPY   Stittsville Ontario
> cm...@zeusprune.ca  Just Beyond the Fringe
> No Microsoft Products were used in sending this e-mail.
> 
> To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org
> To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org
> To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
> 


To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org
To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org
To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org



Re: [linux] anyone using a privacy-protecting cell phone

2021-02-01 Thread Ian E. Gorman
I am reminded of an author who apologized for writing a along letter
because he didn't have time to write a short one.
It can be quite difficult to condense a complex topic down to a concise summary.

On Mon, 1 Feb 2021 at 05:49, Michael Goguen  wrote:
>
>
> Yeah, I didn't get a copy from the list of the message I sent.
>
> None of them.
>
> But otherwise seeing replies to this message.
>
> i didn't reply to user, I changed the reply to linux at linux-ott org
>
> ok
>
> Sometimes I regret long posts.
> It is nice to be clear at least whether it went through or not.
>
> thx
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 9:09 PM Brenda J. Butler  wrote:
>>
>>
>> And yes, this is the new (I use that term loosely : -)
>> general discussion list for oclug, the Linux User Group
>> in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.
>>
>> bjb
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 07:41:19PM -0500, John Argus wrote:
>> > Your previous long message did make it to the mailing list.
>> >
>> > jna
>> >
>> > > On Jan 31, 2021, at 14:12, Michael Goguen  
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > 
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > test
>> > >
>> > > is this a new domain for the old oclug list?  Just making sure I
>> > > am not somehow confusing lists or on a list I didn't subscribe
>> > > to...
>> > >
>> > > I posted a longer post about some potentially contentious or
>> > > contraversial opinions relating to privacy security and
>> > > maintaining a healthy balance for users and regulators who manage
>> > > issues and threats online etc, it didn't seem to make the list, I
>> > > might repost if this one gets through, but maybe I'll just make
>> > > sure I"m ont the right list first...
>> > >
>> > > it is possible I am not ... fully? subscribed to this list if
>> > > there was a changeover...? from the oclug domain?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > thanks in advance.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Michael
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 2:01 PM Michael Goguen 
>> > >>  wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> -- Forwarded message -
>> > >> From: tOM Trottier 
>> > >> Date: Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 12:37 AM
>> > >> Subject: Re: [linux] anyone using a privacy-protecting cell phone
>> > >> To: Linux-Ottawa 
>> > >> Cc: Ian! D. Allen 
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> See 
>> > >> https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2021/01/cell-phone-location-privacy.html
>> > >> "“Pretty Good Phone Privacy” (PGPP) protects both user identity and 
>> > >> user location using the existing cellular networks. It protects users 
>> > >> from fake cell phone towers (IMSI-catchers) and surveillance by cell 
>> > >> providers.
>> > >> It’s a clever system. The players are the user, a traditional mobile 
>> > >> network operator (MNO) like AT&T or Verizon, and a new mobile virtual 
>> > >> network operator (MVNO). MVNOs aren’t new. They’re intermediaries like 
>> > >> Cricket and Boost."
>> > >>
>> > >> -- tOM Trottier
>> > >>
>> > >> On 22 Jan 2021 at 13:15 re:"[linux] anyone using a privacy-prot..."
>> > >>  Ian! D. Allen(Ian! D. Allen ) wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > Hello Linux hive-mind -
>> > >> >
>> > >> > A non-tech friend is trying to get out from under Apple and set up her
>> > >> > cell phone and computers without Microsoft, Google, or Apple looking
>> > >> > over her shoulder.  She is concerned about tracking and privacy.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I can give her help with her future Linux desktop, but I don't even
>> > >> > own a cell phone so I can't advise on "Linux" cell phones (or any kind
>> > >> > of cell phones).
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Anyone out there in Linux-land with experience they are willing to 
>> > >> > share
>> > >> > using a cell phone with good privacy that doesn't track you?
>> > >> >
>> > >> > --
>> > >> > | Ian! D. Allen, BA, MMath  -  idal...@idallen.ca - Ottawa, Ontario, 
>> > >> > Canada
>> > >> > | Home: www.idallen.com   Contact Improvisation Dance: 
>> > >> > www.contactimprov.ca
>> > >> > | Former college professor (Free/Libre GNU+Linux) at:  
>> > >> > teaching.idallen.com
>> > >> > | Defend digital freedom:  http://eff.org/  and have fun:  
>> > >> > http://fools.ca/
>> > >> >
>> > >> > To unsubscribe send a blank message to 
>> > >> > linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org
>> > >> > To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org
>> > >> > To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> tOM Trottier http://TomTrottier.com BBO:"0 carbon"
>> > >> +1613-860-6633 t...@abacurial.com   Skype:Abacurial
>> > >> MD5 Fingerprint27:B8:BA:91:70:E5:44:20:8F:29:EE:46:1E:52:F6:81
>> > >> SHA123:3A:53:18:AB:83:B1:CA:O7:33:AF:10:11:24:27:95:22:98:4E:7E
>> > >>
>> > >> -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-
>> > >> Version: 3.12
>> > >> GCS$/B$/IT$/O b++ C++> D d++(--)@ DI+++
>> > >> e+++ E- G L+ M N O P+ P+>+++ L+>++ PE- PGP
>> > >> PS+++ R* r s:+: t-- tv ULH w+ W+++ X- Y+
>> > >> !o !K E- V 5-
>> > >> -END GEEK CODE BLOCK-
>> ---end quoted text---
>>
>> To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsub

Re: [linux] ipv6 problem with centos8+teksavvy+pppoe with DHCPv6-PD

2021-02-01 Thread Peter Sjöberg
On 2021-02-01 1:06 p.m., Allan Fields wrote:
> Maybe it wont help or will, fwiw..
> 
> (ppp0): failure to start DHCPv6: missing MAC address
> ^^  the log seems to reference the ipv4 connection for dhcpv6 not 
> starting - is it also failing to start on ppp1?
Thanks for pointing that out, I somehow missed that (at 2am).

I done a pile of tests back and forth including trying to run all on
ppp0 and so on. I think I grabbed the log from the last try which would
have ipv6 on ppp1 and then dhcpv6 on ppp0 would fail but with the config
I have it shouldn't even try ipv6 on ppp0 then.

I will test more and keep better track on the logs but since I have to
kill my internet to test it will have to wait until later tonight.

/ps

> 
> So it's trying to start DHCPv6 on the wrong link?
> 
> - Anonymous Coward
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Peter Sjöberg" 
> To: linux@linux-ottawa.org
> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 12:41:04 PM
> Subject: [linux] ipv6 problem with centos8+teksavvy+pppoe with DHCPv6-PD
> 
> I have a centos6 firewall and there I have two pppoe connections, one
> for ipv4 and one for ipv6.
> This works fine but since centos6 is EOL I need to migrate to something
> newer and I'm going with centos8 (or stream or something like that) and
> I have problem to get the ipv6 part working.
> 
> After lots of fiddling I did get the two ppp connections to work at the
> same time on the same nic but the dhcp6c part isn't working. From what I
> can see in the log it refuse to start due to no MAC
> 
> I have a script to create the connections:
> 
> Creating ppp0_ipv4
> nmcli connection add type pppoe autoconnect no con-name ppp0_ipv4 username 
> ip4u...@teksavvy.com password "myIPV4psw" ifname ppp0 pppoe.parent eth2
> nmcli connection modify ppp0_ipv4 ipv4.method auto ipv6.method disabled
> 
> Creating ppp1_ipv6
> nmcli connection add type pppoe autoconnect no con-name ppp1_ipv6 username 
> ip6u...@hsiservice.net password "myIPV6psw" ifname ppp1 pppoe.parent eth2
> nmcli connection modify ppp1_ipv6 ipv4.method disabled ipv6.method auto 
> ipv6.addr-gen-mode eui64 802-3-ethernet.mac-address 52:54:66:18:ac:f6
> 
> 
> 
> extract from the log:
> 
> NetworkManager[746]:  [1612156399.1097] device[052faa76634ef4ae] 
> (ppp0): Activation: Stage 3 of 5 (IP Configure Start) starting DHCPv6 as 
> requested by IPv6 router...
> NetworkManager[746]:  [1612156399.1102] device[052faa76634ef4ae] 
> (ppp0): ipv6.dhcp-iaid: using 1309584892 (0x4e0eadfc) IAID (str: 'ifname', 
> explicit 0)
> NetworkManager[746]:  [1612156399.1102] device[052faa76634ef4ae] 
> (ppp0): ipv6.dhcp-duid: generate lease DUID 
> '00:04:59:c1:c6:ab:a2:c1:ed:4f:2a:43:ba:e6:1e:9c:0e:c8' (prefer lease)
> NetworkManager[746]:   [1612156399.1103] device (ppp0): failure to 
> start DHCPv6: missing MAC address
> NetworkManager[746]:  [1612156399.1228] kill child process 'pppd' 
> (33958): wait for process to terminate after sending SIGTERM (15) (send 
> SIGKILL in 1500 milliseconds)...
> 
> 
> Asking google doesn't help much since all hits are somewhere between way
> to old (2014) to just pre centos8, shows GUI versions under ubuntu or so.
> 
> I'm looking for a nmcli+ipv6-up.local script solution that will get the
> dhcpv6-pd part to work also, does anyone have any hints?
> 


To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org
To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org
To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org



[linux] ipv6 problem with centos8+teksavvy+pppoe with DHCPv6-PD

2021-02-01 Thread Peter Sjöberg
I have a centos6 firewall and there I have two pppoe connections, one
for ipv4 and one for ipv6.
This works fine but since centos6 is EOL I need to migrate to something
newer and I'm going with centos8 (or stream or something like that) and
I have problem to get the ipv6 part working.

After lots of fiddling I did get the two ppp connections to work at the
same time on the same nic but the dhcp6c part isn't working. From what I
can see in the log it refuse to start due to no MAC

I have a script to create the connections:

Creating ppp0_ipv4
nmcli connection add type pppoe autoconnect no con-name ppp0_ipv4 username 
ip4u...@teksavvy.com password "myIPV4psw" ifname ppp0 pppoe.parent eth2
nmcli connection modify ppp0_ipv4 ipv4.method auto ipv6.method disabled

Creating ppp1_ipv6
nmcli connection add type pppoe autoconnect no con-name ppp1_ipv6 username 
ip6u...@hsiservice.net password "myIPV6psw" ifname ppp1 pppoe.parent eth2
nmcli connection modify ppp1_ipv6 ipv4.method disabled ipv6.method auto 
ipv6.addr-gen-mode eui64 802-3-ethernet.mac-address 52:54:66:18:ac:f6



extract from the log:

NetworkManager[746]:  [1612156399.1097] device[052faa76634ef4ae] (ppp0): 
Activation: Stage 3 of 5 (IP Configure Start) starting DHCPv6 as requested by 
IPv6 router...
NetworkManager[746]:  [1612156399.1102] device[052faa76634ef4ae] (ppp0): 
ipv6.dhcp-iaid: using 1309584892 (0x4e0eadfc) IAID (str: 'ifname', explicit 0)
NetworkManager[746]:  [1612156399.1102] device[052faa76634ef4ae] (ppp0): 
ipv6.dhcp-duid: generate lease DUID 
'00:04:59:c1:c6:ab:a2:c1:ed:4f:2a:43:ba:e6:1e:9c:0e:c8' (prefer lease)
NetworkManager[746]:   [1612156399.1103] device (ppp0): failure to start 
DHCPv6: missing MAC address
NetworkManager[746]:  [1612156399.1228] kill child process 'pppd' 
(33958): wait for process to terminate after sending SIGTERM (15) (send SIGKILL 
in 1500 milliseconds)...


Asking google doesn't help much since all hits are somewhere between way
to old (2014) to just pre centos8, shows GUI versions under ubuntu or so.

I'm looking for a nmcli+ipv6-up.local script solution that will get the
dhcpv6-pd part to work also, does anyone have any hints?

-- 
---
Techwiz, Peter Sjoberg GPG key (42DD) on keyserver & homepage
Key fingerprint =  EB81 3135 1636 576A DA83  826B 2455 0E88 42DD 
Homepage: http://www.techwiz.ca/~peters 
Pictures: http://www.flickr.com/photos/henahadu/
Enigma: http://meinEnigma.com



Re: [linux] anyone using a privacy-protecting cell phone

2021-02-01 Thread Dianne Skoll
See the thread "Why Google marked a message as spam" in the list
archives:

https://lists.linux-ottawa.org/linux/2021/01/msg00052.html

List owners: Perhaps avoid adding the footer?

Regards,

Dianne.

To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org
To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org
To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org



Re: [linux] anyone using a privacy-protecting cell phone

2021-02-01 Thread J C Nash
linux-ottawa.org was set up some years ago as insurance against the
oclug.on.ca domain being sold off or used in ways that did not fit
the corporation objectives. oclug domain was "donated" by a former
member. We asked if we could take it over and were a bit surprised
to be told a definite no. After some discussion, we decided it was
safer to switch to the domain name we owned.

JN



On 2021-01-31 9:09 p.m., Brenda J. Butler wrote:
> 
> And yes, this is the new (I use that term loosely : -)
> general discussion list for oclug, the Linux User Group
> in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.
> 
> bjb
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 07:41:19PM -0500, John Argus wrote:
>> Your previous long message did make it to the mailing list. 
>>
>> jna
>>
>>> On Jan 31, 2021, at 14:12, Michael Goguen  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> test
>>>
>>> is this a new domain for the old oclug list?  Just making sure I
>>> am not somehow confusing lists or on a list I didn't subscribe
>>> to...
>>>
>>> I posted a longer post about some potentially contentious or
>>> contraversial opinions relating to privacy security and
>>> maintaining a healthy balance for users and regulators who manage
>>> issues and threats online etc, it didn't seem to make the list, I
>>> might repost if this one gets through, but maybe I'll just make
>>> sure I"m ont the right list first...
>>>
>>> it is possible I am not ... fully? subscribed to this list if
>>> there was a changeover...? from the oclug domain?
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks in advance.
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
 On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 2:01 PM Michael Goguen  
 wrote:


 -- Forwarded message -
 From: tOM Trottier 
 Date: Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 12:37 AM
 Subject: Re: [linux] anyone using a privacy-protecting cell phone
 To: Linux-Ottawa 
 Cc: Ian! D. Allen 


 See 
 https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2021/01/cell-phone-location-privacy.html
 "“Pretty Good Phone Privacy” (PGPP) protects both user identity and user 
 location using the existing cellular networks. It protects users from fake 
 cell phone towers (IMSI-catchers) and surveillance by cell providers.
 It’s a clever system. The players are the user, a traditional mobile 
 network operator (MNO) like AT&T or Verizon, and a new mobile virtual 
 network operator (MVNO). MVNOs aren’t new. They’re intermediaries like 
 Cricket and Boost."

 -- tOM Trottier

 On 22 Jan 2021 at 13:15 re:"[linux] anyone using a privacy-prot..."
  Ian! D. Allen(Ian! D. Allen ) wrote:

> Hello Linux hive-mind -
>
> A non-tech friend is trying to get out from under Apple and set up her
> cell phone and computers without Microsoft, Google, or Apple looking
> over her shoulder.  She is concerned about tracking and privacy.
>
> I can give her help with her future Linux desktop, but I don't even
> own a cell phone so I can't advise on "Linux" cell phones (or any kind
> of cell phones).
>
> Anyone out there in Linux-land with experience they are willing to share
> using a cell phone with good privacy that doesn't track you?
>
> --
> | Ian! D. Allen, BA, MMath  -  idal...@idallen.ca - Ottawa, Ontario, 
> Canada
> | Home: www.idallen.com   Contact Improvisation Dance: 
> www.contactimprov.ca
> | Former college professor (Free/Libre GNU+Linux) at:  
> teaching.idallen.com
> | Defend digital freedom:  http://eff.org/  and have fun:  
> http://fools.ca/
>
> To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org
> To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org
> To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
>



 --
 tOM Trottier http://TomTrottier.com BBO:"0 carbon"
 +1613-860-6633 t...@abacurial.com   Skype:Abacurial
 MD5 Fingerprint27:B8:BA:91:70:E5:44:20:8F:29:EE:46:1E:52:F6:81
 SHA123:3A:53:18:AB:83:B1:CA:O7:33:AF:10:11:24:27:95:22:98:4E:7E

 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-
 Version: 3.12
 GCS$/B$/IT$/O b++ C++> D d++(--)@ DI+++
 e+++ E- G L+ M N O P+ P+>+++ L+>++ PE- PGP
 PS+++ R* r s:+: t-- tv ULH w+ W+++ X- Y+
 !o !K E- V 5-
 -END GEEK CODE BLOCK-
> ---end quoted text---
> 
> To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org
> To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org
> To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
> 

To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org
To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org
To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org



Re: [linux] anyone using a privacy-protecting cell phone

2021-02-01 Thread Michael Goguen
Yeah, I didn't get a copy from the list of the message I sent.

None of them.

But otherwise seeing replies to this message.

i didn't reply to user, I changed the reply to linux at linux-ott org

ok

Sometimes I regret long posts.
It is nice to be clear at least whether it went through or not.

thx


Michael






On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 9:09 PM Brenda J. Butler  wrote:

>
> And yes, this is the new (I use that term loosely : -)
> general discussion list for oclug, the Linux User Group
> in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.
>
> bjb
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 07:41:19PM -0500, John Argus wrote:
> > Your previous long message did make it to the mailing list.
> >
> > jna
> >
> > > On Jan 31, 2021, at 14:12, Michael Goguen 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > >
> > > test
> > >
> > > is this a new domain for the old oclug list?  Just making sure I
> > > am not somehow confusing lists or on a list I didn't subscribe
> > > to...
> > >
> > > I posted a longer post about some potentially contentious or
> > > contraversial opinions relating to privacy security and
> > > maintaining a healthy balance for users and regulators who manage
> > > issues and threats online etc, it didn't seem to make the list, I
> > > might repost if this one gets through, but maybe I'll just make
> > > sure I"m ont the right list first...
> > >
> > > it is possible I am not ... fully? subscribed to this list if
> > > there was a changeover...? from the oclug domain?
> > >
> > >
> > > thanks in advance.
> > >
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 2:01 PM Michael Goguen <
> michael.gog...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -- Forwarded message -
> > >> From: tOM Trottier 
> > >> Date: Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 12:37 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [linux] anyone using a privacy-protecting cell phone
> > >> To: Linux-Ottawa 
> > >> Cc: Ian! D. Allen 
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> See
> https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2021/01/cell-phone-location-privacy.html
> > >> "“Pretty Good Phone Privacy” (PGPP) protects both user identity and
> user location using the existing cellular networks. It protects users from
> fake cell phone towers (IMSI-catchers) and surveillance by cell providers.
> > >> It’s a clever system. The players are the user, a traditional mobile
> network operator (MNO) like AT&T or Verizon, and a new mobile virtual
> network operator (MVNO). MVNOs aren’t new. They’re intermediaries like
> Cricket and Boost."
> > >>
> > >> -- tOM Trottier
> > >>
> > >> On 22 Jan 2021 at 13:15 re:"[linux] anyone using a privacy-prot..."
> > >>  Ian! D. Allen(Ian! D. Allen ) wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hello Linux hive-mind -
> > >> >
> > >> > A non-tech friend is trying to get out from under Apple and set up
> her
> > >> > cell phone and computers without Microsoft, Google, or Apple looking
> > >> > over her shoulder.  She is concerned about tracking and privacy.
> > >> >
> > >> > I can give her help with her future Linux desktop, but I don't even
> > >> > own a cell phone so I can't advise on "Linux" cell phones (or any
> kind
> > >> > of cell phones).
> > >> >
> > >> > Anyone out there in Linux-land with experience they are willing to
> share
> > >> > using a cell phone with good privacy that doesn't track you?
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > | Ian! D. Allen, BA, MMath  -  idal...@idallen.ca - Ottawa,
> Ontario, Canada
> > >> > | Home: www.idallen.com   Contact Improvisation Dance:
> www.contactimprov.ca
> > >> > | Former college professor (Free/Libre GNU+Linux) at:
> teaching.idallen.com
> > >> > | Defend digital freedom:  http://eff.org/  and have fun:
> http://fools.ca/
> > >> >
> > >> > To unsubscribe send a blank message to
> linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org
> > >> > To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org
> > >> > To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> tOM Trottier http://TomTrottier.com BBO:"0 carbon"
> > >> +1613-860-6633 t...@abacurial.com   Skype:Abacurial
> > >> MD5 Fingerprint27:B8:BA:91:70:E5:44:20:8F:29:EE:46:1E:52:F6:81
> > >> SHA1
> 23:3A:53:18:AB:83:B1:CA:O7:33:AF:10:11:24:27:95:22:98:4E:7E
> > >>
> > >> -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-
> > >> Version: 3.12
> > >> GCS$/B$/IT$/O b++ C++> D d++(--)@ DI+++
> > >> e+++ E- G L+ M N O P+ P+>+++ L+>++ PE- PGP
> > >> PS+++ R* r s:+: t-- tv ULH w+ W+++ X- Y+
> > >> !o !K E- V 5-
> > >> -END GEEK CODE BLOCK-
> ---end quoted text---
>
> To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org
> To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org
> To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
>
>