Re: [linux] Re: July Meeting...
here like hand held radios or devices like phones that can > run on some kind of free open source linux through just local band radio > that would be allowable, practical, cheap, legal, effective for some > communications if people wanted (or believed they needed) to do this? Does > just mentioning these where they may be... put on the public internet and > archived and available to be harvested by the powers that be... put any... > adaptive measures to... corrupt concentration of power and destroying > peoples' personal freedoms... does it potentially... undermined the > potential to do anything about these things by talking about them this > way... so that... measure to ... countermeasures to any possible privacy or > security people might try to make are likely to be implemented etc, and > their... and peoples' potential dissent, let alone resistance... to > various... agenda of powerful, including taking away some essential > freedoms, rights and coopting / messing with legal systems and structures > meant to protect against this, etc? that peoples' intent, whether on places > like this forum, or through their own personal digital communications, > being in proximity of devices, possibly belonging to someone else... will > cause this information to be in a 'profile' about them that will have... > 'consequences' etc? > > Is it ok that I put these... questions and thoughts plaintext in this email? > > > Blessings, thank you for allowing me to continue to be connected to this > group and explore some ideas around open source, free accessible... > technologies to empower people... especially the linux open source > operating system... > > > > Michael Goguen > > > > ps are any folks here fans of national capital freenet nonprofit internet > service provider here in Ottawa? > Do any folks from here... value the idea of partnering with the or like > collaborating etc sometimes... on various projects? > For instance, making wifi more available in some low income areas, or like > cheap devices like phones etc, or even... connecting with the Ottawa > Library and similar public resources in order to... support various > programs to ...help various public who are interested in... certain low > budget sort of 'communal' resource sharing for like enabling... especially > less affluent folks to ... help themselves and others on a low budget/ > minimal means and training etc? > > ok sorry maybe I'm rambling a bit here now. A bit? There are so many ideas mashed up here that it would get more engagement if it were split into at least 5 different subject emails. That first blob alone with no paragraph breads was daunting. This is going to be too much for most to parse and engage in. > thanks in advance. > Michael > > On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 7:12 PM Katherine Mcmillan via linux > wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > There is such an emphasis on bilingualism at the Government of Canada that > > I am putting all of my spare time into learning French so won't be able to > > attend this meeting (but have started to attend the Linux-Meetup Aux > > Quebec <https://www.meetup.com/linux-montreal/>, which I would highly > > recommend). > > <https://www.meetup.com/linux-montreal/> > > Linux-Meetup au Québec | Meetup <https://www.meetup.com/linux-montreal/> > > Les Linux-Meetup sont des rencontres informelles où plusieurs personnes > > discutent de ce qui les passionnent et font un partage de leurs > > cheminements dans le monde des logiciels libres avec GNU/Linux.Le tout se > > déroule dans une ambiance décontractée et amicale. Venez rencontrer des > > gens passionnés ay > > www.meetup.com > > > > Sincerely, > > Katie > > > > -- > > *From:* Scott Murphy > > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2024 17:00 > > *To:* caretak...@linux-ottawa.org > > *Subject:* July Meeting... > > > > We didn’t really have any discussions on topics on a July 4th meeting. > > > > I might have something, but nothing definite yet. I’ve been a little busy > > and on training the past week and a half. > > > > Does anyone have a topic they would be interested in presenting? I know > > that John and Tug will not be available. > > > > Cheers, > > Scott > > -- > > Scott Murphy > > scott.mur...@arrow-eye.com slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Tracking network usage at home
On 24/03/27, Alan McKay via linux wrote: > Hey folks, > > What are some (ideally) easy-to-roll solutions for tracking network > traffic usage at home? > > Basically I'd like to track - in real time if possible - each device's > network traffic over time. Ideally with graphs. I use an ethernet switch with SNMP and mrtg with rrd. There are prettier solutions today. > thanks, -Alan slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Will Not be Able to Present on Commons Clause
On 2024-03-07 23:30, Katherine Mcmillan via linux wrote: > Ian, > > I would be happy to present to just you at 7pm - my presentation is about 15 > minutes. My apologies for the last-minute nature of this! > > Others can join too if available: > Meeting Announcement > > Linux-Ottawa March 2024 Meeting. > > Date/Time: > > Thursday March 7th at 7pm > > Format: > > 1. Online over Jitsi https://meet.jit.si/oclug_2024-03-07 Um, the previously published meeting link is: https://meet.jit.si/oclug_2024-03-07_mailmunge There are already three of us there. > > From: Ian E. Gorman > Sent: 06 March 2024 21:35 > To: Katherine Mcmillan > Subject: Re: [linux] Will Not be Able to Present on Commons Clause > > Attention : courriel externe | external email > I would be interested > > Ian > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 12:55???PM Katherine Mcmillan via linux > mailto:linux@linux-ottawa.org>> wrote: > Hello all, > > Due to some unexpected complexities, I must defer my presentation on the > Commons Clause to a later date. My apologies for this. > > I have presented this week to the Club of Rome on "Women in Open Source > Software" and would be happy to present this to this group if there is any > interest. > > Thank you for your understanding, > Katie > > > -- > __ > Ian Earl Gorman | //www.gorman.ca/<http://www.gorman.ca/> | > //web.ncf.ca/iegorman/<http://web.ncf.ca/iegorman/> > //github.com/iegorman/<http://github.com/iegorman/> | > //www.linkedin.com/in/iegorman/<http://www.linkedin.com/in/iegorman/> slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration
On 2024-01-25 14:17, Ron / BCLUG wrote: > Dianne Skoll wrote on 2024-01-25 14:00: > > >>I would call this a MAJOR obstacle. > > > >I am missing something. What was the original email that started this > >thread off? What is the "this" that is a major obstacle? That email > >seems not to have reached me. > > Same here - seems like the conversation was begun sometime before it made it > to the mailing list. I think it happenned 5 months ago. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: "email software" (was Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa / NCF collaboration)
On 2024-01-25 13:16, Alan McKay wrote: > Zimbra is amazing and this is really bad news! > > My company switched to MS Outlook about 3 years ago and it is complete > garbage compared to Zimbra - in terms of being able to search email > and also the calendar is a lot weaker. I miss Zimbra almost daily $work switched from zimbra to gmail and we lost in filtering, deduplication and imap.gmail.com is awful. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] 5.25" floppy reading
On 2024-01-16 10:03, Alan McKay wrote: > Seems to be some useful info in this article > https://mattfife.com/?p=3793 That's a very useful and thorough article. But it is overly pessimistic about needing to return to 486 given the Pentium 4 (2004) hardware right beside me with the right 34-pin floppy connector on the motherboard. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] canadian news funding, maybe a free open source news aggregator app as part of a funding model solution?
On 2023-08-08 16:26, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > but I would love for AI to be able to actually write a useful SQL > program. Isn't that just called a higher level language? We started with machine code, then went to machine language, then kept going with more and more readable languages for humans to tell machines what to do. We've been hovering at 4th generation languages for a while now... > Katie slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Meeting for August.
On 2023-08-01 02:50, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > "That used to be GOSLINGS (Getting Open Source Logic Into GovernmentS). > They're still going strong, but now meeting in the basement of the > building TUPOC tried to squat..." > > Richard, you are certainly a fountain of knowledge, and I have stopped > questioning how you know all these things. Well, I have some questions.. I > might attend the meetup on Friday and bother these others with those, over > nachos. :) I have a couple of decades head start... And I guess my memory hasn't left me yet... I'll likely go for nachos... > I can plan for this Thursday. If others don't necessarily want to present, I > stumbled across a legal article that we could discuss! > I know, I know, but it is actually quite interesting: > https://www.itworldcanada.com/article/canadian-law-in-conflict-with-aspects-of-gpl/15982 > > -Katie > > From: Richard Guy Briggs > Sent: 31 July 2023 22:36 > To: Katherine Mcmillan > Cc: Ian E. Gorman ; tug ; > j...@messier.ca ; Linux-Ottawa > Subject: Re: [linux] Meeting for August. > > Attention : courriel externe | external email > > On 2023-08-01 02:12, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > > Hi Tug and all, > > > > Sure, I???m happy to try to plan a meeting :) > > > > What I???m going to do is the following: plan a regular online meeting and > > recommend that anyone that would like to attend something in person, which > > is also awesome, attend this: > > https://www.meetup.com/opensourcenerdsandnachos/ > > That used to be GOSLINGS (Getting Open Source Logic Into GovernmentS). > They're still going strong, but now meeting in the basement of the > building TUPOC tried to squat... > > > This also means that I would recommend we have our meeting next Thursday > > (August 10). Would that work, or should I try to plan for this Thursday? > > I'd somewhat strongly recommend sticking with the first Thursday. (But > after the regular date is somewhat better than before so those regulars > expecting it won't miss it.) > > > Sincerely, > > Katie > > > > From: Ian E. Gorman > > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2023 9:02:34 PM > > To: tug > > Cc: Katherine Mcmillan ; j...@messier.ca > > ; Linux-Ottawa > > Subject: Re: [linux] Meeting for August. > > > > Attention : courriel externe | external email > > I would like to have a meeting, even though I have nothing to bring. > > > > Iam > > > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 9:11???PM tug > > mailto:tug.willi...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > I don't recall Timothy offering to give a presentation. Did emails go > > missing? > > > > > > I've not prepared anything, and haven't heard of anyone (until Katie's > > offer in this email). > > > > > > Last month I was going to propose a link to meet, despite there being no > > planned talks, but as there were problems with spam filters, I just put a > > notice cancelling the meeting on the website. > > > > > > I might or might not be able to attend a meeting this week, so it seemed a > > bit bad to propose a meeting. I know John was trying to arrange something, > > but I've not heard much, and I haven't had time these past couple of weeks > > to check in. > > > > > > So Katie - do you want to kick off a meeting, and see where it pans out > > from there? > > > > > > Tug > > > > > > > > On 2023-07-31 18:09, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > > Hello Jean-Francois, > > > > I would really like to see a presentation by Timothy Forbes. However, it > > may not be a good time for that. > > > > I have created a sequel to my first "Linux for the Wacom" presentation that > > I could present if anyone is interested - I go into a specific security > > concern and how Linux (openSUSE in this case) overcomes that. It wouldn't > > take long to present, and I would appreciate thoughts/feedback. > > > > I would also be interested in inviting an attendee from my new workplace > > who has expressed interest. :) > > > > Sincerely, > > Katie > > > > From: j...@messier.ca<mailto:j...@messier.ca> > > <mailto:j...@messier.ca> > > Sent: 31 July 2023 15:03 > > To: linux@linux-ottawa.org<mailto:linux@linux-ottawa.org> > > <mailto:linux@linux-ottawa.org> > > Subject: [linux] Meeting for August. > > > > Attention : courriel externe | external email > > >
Re: [linux] Meeting for August.
On 2023-08-01 02:12, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > Hi Tug and all, > > Sure, I???m happy to try to plan a meeting :) > > What I???m going to do is the following: plan a regular online meeting and > recommend that anyone that would like to attend something in person, which is > also awesome, attend this: https://www.meetup.com/opensourcenerdsandnachos/ That used to be GOSLINGS (Getting Open Source Logic Into GovernmentS). They're still going strong, but now meeting in the basement of the building TUPOC tried to squat... > This also means that I would recommend we have our meeting next Thursday > (August 10). Would that work, or should I try to plan for this Thursday? I'd somewhat strongly recommend sticking with the first Thursday. (But after the regular date is somewhat better than before so those regulars expecting it won't miss it.) > Sincerely, > Katie > > From: Ian E. Gorman > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2023 9:02:34 PM > To: tug > Cc: Katherine Mcmillan ; j...@messier.ca > ; Linux-Ottawa > Subject: Re: [linux] Meeting for August. > > Attention : courriel externe | external email > I would like to have a meeting, even though I have nothing to bring. > > Iam > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 9:11???PM tug > mailto:tug.willi...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I don't recall Timothy offering to give a presentation. Did emails go missing? > > > I've not prepared anything, and haven't heard of anyone (until Katie's offer > in this email). > > > Last month I was going to propose a link to meet, despite there being no > planned talks, but as there were problems with spam filters, I just put a > notice cancelling the meeting on the website. > > > I might or might not be able to attend a meeting this week, so it seemed a > bit bad to propose a meeting. I know John was trying to arrange something, > but I've not heard much, and I haven't had time these past couple of weeks to > check in. > > > So Katie - do you want to kick off a meeting, and see where it pans out from > there? > > > Tug > > > > On 2023-07-31 18:09, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > Hello Jean-Francois, > > I would really like to see a presentation by Timothy Forbes. However, it may > not be a good time for that. > > I have created a sequel to my first "Linux for the Wacom" presentation that I > could present if anyone is interested - I go into a specific security concern > and how Linux (openSUSE in this case) overcomes that. It wouldn't take long > to present, and I would appreciate thoughts/feedback. > > I would also be interested in inviting an attendee from my new workplace who > has expressed interest. :) > > Sincerely, > Katie > > From: j...@messier.ca<mailto:j...@messier.ca> > <mailto:j...@messier.ca> > Sent: 31 July 2023 15:03 > To: linux@linux-ottawa.org<mailto:linux@linux-ottawa.org> > <mailto:linux@linux-ottawa.org> > Subject: [linux] Meeting for August. > > Attention : courriel externe | external email > > Is there a meeting this Thursday ? I know the July meeting ws cancelled, > but do we have topics for this month ? > > Thanks :-) > > JF > > To unsubscribe send a blank message to > linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org<mailto:linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org> > To get help send a blank message to > linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org<mailto:linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org> > To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org > > > > -- > ______________ > Ian Earl Gorman | //www.gorman.ca/<http://www.gorman.ca/> | > //web.ncf.ca/iegorman/<http://web.ncf.ca/iegorman/> > //github.com/iegorman/<http://github.com/iegorman/> | > //www.linkedin.com/in/iegorman/<http://www.linkedin.com/in/iegorman/> slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Is list down?
On 2023-07-08 20:49, nashjc-ncf wrote: > This morning Scott fixed the mlmmj config to account for the new Spamhaus > requirements. Not all recipients were blocked, but some list msgs didn't > go through. Should be OK now. Scott's efforts much appreciated. It looks like the same thing affected the L3GO list last Tuesday too... I'm expecting another posting tomorrow morning. > JN > > On 2023-07-08 20:42, r...@echlin.ca wrote: > >Hi Katie, > > > >Lucky you! > >I still haven't received any emails about lost emails. > > > >Before the last lost email thread, the mostest recentest email from this > >list appears to be this one: > > > > scissor glyph goes here > >Re: [linux] Open Source Software for Research and Fleet Management > >Contact photo > > From ?? ??Timothy Forbes > >To ?? ??Katherine Mcmillan > >Cc ?? ??Linux-Ottawa > >Date ?? ??2023-06-14 15:33 > > scissor glyph goes here > > > >Sorry I missed the last meeting. > >Is there gonna be another last meeting? > > > >-- end of all Dad jokes - > > > >JN. Def a question. > > > >RB - You are right. 0ntime, or online, or in a labour room, it's the > >delivery that matters. > > > >JC, thanks for the Spamhaus info. > > > >James, would you be more or less resentful if it was HTML text? > > > >-- end of GrandDad jokes - > > > >courriel extreme | extremely email > > > >Love, > >Rob > > > >On 2023-07-08 10:02, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > > > >>Received! > >>-Katie > >> > >>*From:* James > >>*Sent:* Saturday, July 8, 2023 9:48:33 AM > >>*To:* Katherine Mcmillan > >>*Cc:* BCLUG ; Linux-Ottawa > >>*Subject:* Re: [linux] Is list down? > >>Attention : courriel externe | external email > >> > >>Jul. 8, 2023 05:35:16 Katherine Mcmillan : > >> > >>> Hello both, > >>> > >>> I received the messages from Dr. Nash and RB. > >>> > >>> -Katie > >>> > >>> *From:* BCLUG > >>> *Sent:* 08 July 2023 05:24 > >>> *To:* Linux-Ottawa > >>> *Subject:* Re: [linux] Is list down? > >>> > >>> Attention : courriel externe | external email > >>> > >>> J C Nash wrote on 2023-07-04 18:00: > >>> > >>>> That's the question. > >>> > >>> I got the message. > >>> > >>> > >>> I noticed last week that my mailing list stopped being delivered to > >>> Gmail (and the week before, Outlook) addresses. > >>> > >>> > >>> Nothing's changed on my end (that I'm aware of). > >>> > >>> > >>> I'm seriously questioning if I even want to deal with email servers > >>> anymore. > >>> > >>> > >>> Who knows if this will get delivered. > >>> > >>> rb > >>> > >>Me too (resent as plaintext). slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: Fw: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
On 23/04/03, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > Richard, > > Can you ask him if he is willing to help us resurrect OCUUG? I don't understand why I would ask him that... > I can follow-up with Diane, I'm going to do this for my own reasons anyway. > > -Katie > > ____________ > From: Richard Guy Briggs > Sent: 03 April 2023 11:55 > To: Katherine Mcmillan > Cc: Rick Leir ; OCLUG > Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023 > > Attention : courriel externe | external email > > On 23/04/03, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > What is Joseph Potvin doing now? > > Haven't spoken to him in at least a year, but he was heavily invested in > an internet of rules, Xalgorithms. > > > -Katie > > > > From: Richard Guy Briggs > > Sent: 03 April 2023 10:56 > > To: Rick Leir > > Cc: OCLUG > > Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023 > > > > Attention : courriel externe | external email > > > > On 23/04/03, Rick Leir wrote: > > > RGB > > > Tell me about GOSLINGS please, I think there was a political side to that? > > > > Getting Open Source Logic Into Government > > > > It had a run of about 15 years. Joseph Potvin was one of the primaries > > behind it with strong support from MCR and Russell McOrmond. It was > > hosted at the Parliament Pub for years until the NCC had other ideas for > > that space. It was then hosted by Mike Gifford (Open Concept). > > Xellerance(sp?) was also involved. > > Officially, Linux wasn't supported in federal government IT, but there > > was enough skunkwork activity that it took hold from the bottom up as > > well as being worked on from the top down. > > > > > And cc the list if you like! > > > Cheers > > > Rick > > > > > > On April 2, 2023 10:21:15 PM EDT, Richard Guy Briggs > > > wrote: > > > >On 2023-04-02 14:20, Rick Leir wrote: > > > >> We never even told you about open source nerds an nachos > > > >> http://clicks.meetup.com/ls/click?upn=XbaZ37larFA-2FuV5MohrYpdrra25MtI4CzodbRR1Rd1mhr1xShVkCrqYYJqodQha1Aed-2F1qUSLs6eE-2FnxdFa7Fg-3D-3DOci8_COUti7EiCTywajQe-2FUkV6Q7oHg8Owr4aj15Vgmgy0-2FUPjgcSDE0tIBzjPB-2BXWZdgj0mye-2FgrcNz8MTWCYihALtVMSZ8IC4j20GcVcTJQQyXc0WZinDFTeLQ951R3WISxMqtBnsNIONHr1SZbXMJmILE8bUtPkRxQdjLpoCgL7w7tmpstWIyHGPleFAUD5E6JRcc3QiHd7u375zQeN5X3KCEcFBiTfXSVHPy62OlI5YQLGui69h8h9PX10udeS4HKh3WSAuk9jYAKSpXNAvQAFLxtFQ5Rq8id9EfvSEgXtEdM0dx7yc5GqJNcDGhzQMbgYKRjGgiL1ztJQgELtUdpl4k23760j-2B4mGbRWv7ppmq4LwU5d6ejXBhisb3OKDMtVbWYsxkLWhNK0vrKUdEX60a-2BQTvvZ5reRgAKQLFckNMmSqITR4OAJ7xxXPi8-2FK3-2Fxsktis30k-2FrUmmFH2Pk0rMOSX-2BeQ-2BxcLMhfmu5egWpSp1TfTWRLdEngTrmn8URkablEndokOEoXmkc34wJ81HC0G8C8xL-2FMkaAwRMpmPeYvhQfkiyIGW5P4sLR9Apl-2F7F5-2BjoBFG9mD1aWDIk6YeknlwRuIhUbs2T1glSH-2FZDS7rIVKqj7LPiaDfHqYWTMOGyDso5EaVr8eKbKhDtoTscZ6w-2BZZfLHsO0PektkMEKOIZZY-2F-2FjO87CcnSb08Jq8o6707qurGKkEpY761XmsqupGQ7-2F7FsTLsLCXi7VHvs7DIU-3D > > > > > > > >Ah yes, this came out of GOSLINGS... That photo was from Open Concept > > > >Consulting's office on Somerset W... > > > > > > > >> On March 31, 2023 3:30:02 PM EDT, Katherine Mcmillan > > > >> wrote: > > > >> >Illumos would be a great one to include too. > > > >> > > > > >> >-Katie > > > >> > > > > >> >From: Katherine Mcmillan > > > >> >Sent: 31 March 2023 15:18 > > > >> >To: Richard Guy Briggs > > > >> >Cc: Tug Williams ; Linux-Ottawa > > > >> > > > > >> >Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023 > > > >> > > > > >> >"OCUNIX"! That's awesome Richard - it wasn't successful? When did it > > > >> >stop existing? > > > >> > > > > >> >Doesn't the OCBUG have the same problem as the OCLUG right now? > > > >> >Don't get me wrong, I would go out to a Royal Oak and chat with > > > >> >Scott, Ian and others anytime, but it isn't really a formal group. > > > >> > > > > >> >Sincerely, > > > >> >Katie > > > >> > > > > >> >From: Richard Guy Briggs > > > >> >Sent: 31 March 2023 14:20 > > > >> >To: Katherine Mcmillan > > > >> >Cc: Tug Williams ; Linux-Ottawa > > > >> > > > > >> >Subjec
Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
On 23/04/03, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > Hi there, > > What is Joseph Potvin doing now? Haven't spoken to him in at least a year, but he was heavily invested in an internet of rules, Xalgorithms. > -Katie > ____ > From: Richard Guy Briggs > Sent: 03 April 2023 10:56 > To: Rick Leir > Cc: OCLUG > Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023 > > Attention : courriel externe | external email > > On 23/04/03, Rick Leir wrote: > > RGB > > Tell me about GOSLINGS please, I think there was a political side to that? > > Getting Open Source Logic Into Government > > It had a run of about 15 years. Joseph Potvin was one of the primaries > behind it with strong support from MCR and Russell McOrmond. It was > hosted at the Parliament Pub for years until the NCC had other ideas for > that space. It was then hosted by Mike Gifford (Open Concept). > Xellerance(sp?) was also involved. > Officially, Linux wasn't supported in federal government IT, but there > was enough skunkwork activity that it took hold from the bottom up as > well as being worked on from the top down. > > > And cc the list if you like! > > Cheers > > Rick > > > > On April 2, 2023 10:21:15 PM EDT, Richard Guy Briggs > > wrote: > > >On 2023-04-02 14:20, Rick Leir wrote: > > >> We never even told you about open source nerds an nachos > > >> http://clicks.meetup.com/ls/click?upn=XbaZ37larFA-2FuV5MohrYpdrra25MtI4CzodbRR1Rd1mhr1xShVkCrqYYJqodQha1Aed-2F1qUSLs6eE-2FnxdFa7Fg-3D-3DOci8_COUti7EiCTywajQe-2FUkV6Q7oHg8Owr4aj15Vgmgy0-2FUPjgcSDE0tIBzjPB-2BXWZdgj0mye-2FgrcNz8MTWCYihALtVMSZ8IC4j20GcVcTJQQyXc0WZinDFTeLQ951R3WISxMqtBnsNIONHr1SZbXMJmILE8bUtPkRxQdjLpoCgL7w7tmpstWIyHGPleFAUD5E6JRcc3QiHd7u375zQeN5X3KCEcFBiTfXSVHPy62OlI5YQLGui69h8h9PX10udeS4HKh3WSAuk9jYAKSpXNAvQAFLxtFQ5Rq8id9EfvSEgXtEdM0dx7yc5GqJNcDGhzQMbgYKRjGgiL1ztJQgELtUdpl4k23760j-2B4mGbRWv7ppmq4LwU5d6ejXBhisb3OKDMtVbWYsxkLWhNK0vrKUdEX60a-2BQTvvZ5reRgAKQLFckNMmSqITR4OAJ7xxXPi8-2FK3-2Fxsktis30k-2FrUmmFH2Pk0rMOSX-2BeQ-2BxcLMhfmu5egWpSp1TfTWRLdEngTrmn8URkablEndokOEoXmkc34wJ81HC0G8C8xL-2FMkaAwRMpmPeYvhQfkiyIGW5P4sLR9Apl-2F7F5-2BjoBFG9mD1aWDIk6YeknlwRuIhUbs2T1glSH-2FZDS7rIVKqj7LPiaDfHqYWTMOGyDso5EaVr8eKbKhDtoTscZ6w-2BZZfLHsO0PektkMEKOIZZY-2F-2FjO87CcnSb08Jq8o6707qurGKkEpY761XmsqupGQ7-2F7FsTLsLCXi7VHvs7DIU-3D > > > > > >Ah yes, this came out of GOSLINGS... That photo was from Open Concept > > >Consulting's office on Somerset W... > > > > > >> On March 31, 2023 3:30:02 PM EDT, Katherine Mcmillan > > >> wrote: > > >> >Illumos would be a great one to include too. > > >> > > > >> >-Katie > > >> > > > >> >From: Katherine Mcmillan > > >> >Sent: 31 March 2023 15:18 > > >> >To: Richard Guy Briggs > > >> >Cc: Tug Williams ; Linux-Ottawa > > >> > > > >> >Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023 > > >> > > > >> >"OCUNIX"! That's awesome Richard - it wasn't successful? When did it > > >> >stop existing? > > >> > > > >> >Doesn't the OCBUG have the same problem as the OCLUG right now? Don't > > >> >get me wrong, I would go out to a Royal Oak and chat with Scott, Ian > > >> >and others anytime, but it isn't really a formal group. > > >> > > > >> >Sincerely, > > >> >Katie > > >> > > > >> >From: Richard Guy Briggs > > >> >Sent: 31 March 2023 14:20 > > >> >To: Katherine Mcmillan > > >> >Cc: Tug Williams ; Linux-Ottawa > > >> > > > >> >Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023 > > >> > > > >> >Attention : courriel externe | external email > > >> > > > >> >On 2023-03-31 17:25, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > > >> >> Hi Tug, > > >> >> > > >> >> Just out of curiousity, has there ever been any discussion about > > >> >> forming an "Ottawa Unix User Group"? (although "OUUG" sounds > > >> >> terrible, and it can't be "CUUG" because that's already taken - I > > >> >> suppose it could be "NCRUUG" or just "CRUUG"). I ask for several > > >> >> reasons: > > >> > > > >> >OCUNIX used to exist, so did OCUUG. They effectively became OCBUG. > > >> > > > >> >&
Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
On 23/04/03, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > Okay! I think this is who Dru Lavigne had mentioned. Most likely. Diane Bruce has been invovled with BSDCan for many years. > Sincerely, > Katie > > From: Scott Murphy > Sent: 03 April 2023 11:18 > To: Richard Guy Briggs > Cc: Katherine Mcmillan ; Dianne Skoll ; > Linux-Ottawa > Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023 > > Attention : courriel externe | external email > Diane Bruce was part of the old OCUUG, as well as the currently stalled OCBUG. > > -- > Scott Murphy > scott.mur...@arrow-eye.com<mailto:scott.mur...@arrow-eye.com> > > On Apr 3, 2023, at 11:16, Richard Guy Briggs > mailto:r...@tricolour.ca>> wrote: > > On 23/04/03, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > Hi Dianne, > > Fair enough, sorry, I'm not sure who is currently on the OCLUG Board - just > pulling names out of a hat. > > Diane Bruce? > > Sincerely, > Katie > > From: Dianne Skoll mailto:dia...@skoll.ca>> > Sent: 03 April 2023 10:55 > Cc: Linux-Ottawa mailto:linux@linux-ottawa.org>> > Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023 > > Attention : courriel externe | external email > > On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 14:37:42 + > Katherine Mcmillan mailto:kmcmi...@uottawa.ca>> wrote: > > Between Tug, John, Diane, Jean-Francois, Richard, (sorry, I'm not > sure who all is currently on the Board for the OLUG), Scott, and me, > we should have enough people for a full non-profit Board > > If by "Diane" you mean me... no, I am not on the board and I haven't > participated much at OCLUG for many years apart from the mailing list. > > Regards, > > Dianne. > > slainte mhath, RGB slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
On 23/04/03, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > Hi Dianne, > > Fair enough, sorry, I'm not sure who is currently on the OCLUG Board - just > pulling names out of a hat. Diane Bruce? > Sincerely, > Katie > > From: Dianne Skoll > Sent: 03 April 2023 10:55 > Cc: Linux-Ottawa > Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023 > > Attention : courriel externe | external email > > On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 14:37:42 + > Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > > > Between Tug, John, Diane, Jean-Francois, Richard, (sorry, I'm not > > sure who all is currently on the Board for the OLUG), Scott, and me, > > we should have enough people for a full non-profit Board > > If by "Diane" you mean me... no, I am not on the board and I haven't > participated much at OCLUG for many years apart from the mailing list. > > Regards, > > Dianne. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
On 23/04/03, Rick Leir wrote: > RGB > Tell me about GOSLINGS please, I think there was a political side to that? Getting Open Source Logic Into Government It had a run of about 15 years. Joseph Potvin was one of the primaries behind it with strong support from MCR and Russell McOrmond. It was hosted at the Parliament Pub for years until the NCC had other ideas for that space. It was then hosted by Mike Gifford (Open Concept). Xellerance(sp?) was also involved. Officially, Linux wasn't supported in federal government IT, but there was enough skunkwork activity that it took hold from the bottom up as well as being worked on from the top down. > And cc the list if you like! > Cheers > Rick > > On April 2, 2023 10:21:15 PM EDT, Richard Guy Briggs > wrote: > >On 2023-04-02 14:20, Rick Leir wrote: > >> We never even told you about open source nerds an nachos > >> http://clicks.meetup.com/ls/click?upn=XbaZ37larFA-2FuV5MohrYpdrra25MtI4CzodbRR1Rd1mhr1xShVkCrqYYJqodQha1Aed-2F1qUSLs6eE-2FnxdFa7Fg-3D-3DOci8_COUti7EiCTywajQe-2FUkV6Q7oHg8Owr4aj15Vgmgy0-2FUPjgcSDE0tIBzjPB-2BXWZdgj0mye-2FgrcNz8MTWCYihALtVMSZ8IC4j20GcVcTJQQyXc0WZinDFTeLQ951R3WISxMqtBnsNIONHr1SZbXMJmILE8bUtPkRxQdjLpoCgL7w7tmpstWIyHGPleFAUD5E6JRcc3QiHd7u375zQeN5X3KCEcFBiTfXSVHPy62OlI5YQLGui69h8h9PX10udeS4HKh3WSAuk9jYAKSpXNAvQAFLxtFQ5Rq8id9EfvSEgXtEdM0dx7yc5GqJNcDGhzQMbgYKRjGgiL1ztJQgELtUdpl4k23760j-2B4mGbRWv7ppmq4LwU5d6ejXBhisb3OKDMtVbWYsxkLWhNK0vrKUdEX60a-2BQTvvZ5reRgAKQLFckNMmSqITR4OAJ7xxXPi8-2FK3-2Fxsktis30k-2FrUmmFH2Pk0rMOSX-2BeQ-2BxcLMhfmu5egWpSp1TfTWRLdEngTrmn8URkablEndokOEoXmkc34wJ81HC0G8C8xL-2FMkaAwRMpmPeYvhQfkiyIGW5P4sLR9Apl-2F7F5-2BjoBFG9mD1aWDIk6YeknlwRuIhUbs2T1glSH-2FZDS7rIVKqj7LPiaDfHqYWTMOGyDso5EaVr8eKbKhDtoTscZ6w-2BZZfLHsO0PektkMEKOIZZY-2F-2FjO87CcnSb08Jq8o6707qurGKkEpY761XmsqupGQ7-2F7FsTLsLCXi7VHvs7DIU-3D > > > >Ah yes, this came out of GOSLINGS... That photo was from Open Concept > >Consulting's office on Somerset W... > > > >> On March 31, 2023 3:30:02 PM EDT, Katherine Mcmillan > >> wrote: > >> >Illumos would be a great one to include too. > >> > > >> >-Katie > >> > > >> >From: Katherine Mcmillan > >> >Sent: 31 March 2023 15:18 > >> >To: Richard Guy Briggs > >> >Cc: Tug Williams ; Linux-Ottawa > >> > > >> >Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023 > >> > > >> >"OCUNIX"! That's awesome Richard - it wasn't successful? When did it stop > >> >existing? > >> > > >> >Doesn't the OCBUG have the same problem as the OCLUG right now? Don't > >> >get me wrong, I would go out to a Royal Oak and chat with Scott, Ian and > >> >others anytime, but it isn't really a formal group. > >> > > >> >Sincerely, > >> >Katie > >> > > >> >From: Richard Guy Briggs > >> >Sent: 31 March 2023 14:20 > >> >To: Katherine Mcmillan > >> >Cc: Tug Williams ; Linux-Ottawa > >> > > >> >Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023 > >> > > >> >Attention : courriel externe | external email > >> > > >> >On 2023-03-31 17:25, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > >> >> Hi Tug, > >> >> > >> >> Just out of curiousity, has there ever been any discussion about > >> >> forming an "Ottawa Unix User Group"? (although "OUUG" sounds terrible, > >> >> and it can't be "CUUG" because that's already taken - I suppose it > >> >> could be "NCRUUG" or just "CRUUG"). I ask for several reasons: > >> > > >> >OCUNIX used to exist, so did OCUUG. They effectively became OCBUG. > >> > > >> >> 1. I'm currently on the Board of Directors for EuroBSDCon (a *BSD > >> >> focussed international conference). > >> >> 2. BSDCan<https://www.bsdcan.org/2023/> is coming up in Ottawa! > >> >> 3. I recently attended a Calgary Unix User Group (CUUG) meeting > >> >> (thanks all for including me if any of you are on this list!) Theo de > >> >> Raadt was speaking, and that was really fantastic to witness. It > >> >> seemed like a successful user group and approach. > >> >> 4. There are a number of people based in Ottawa and Quebec that are > >> >> *BSD users/developers/advocates, and more recently I've come across > >> >> some QNX and Darwin people. There seems to be potential for a > >&g
Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
On 2023-04-02 14:20, Rick Leir wrote: > We never even told you about open source nerds an nachos > http://clicks.meetup.com/ls/click?upn=XbaZ37larFA-2FuV5MohrYpdrra25MtI4CzodbRR1Rd1mhr1xShVkCrqYYJqodQha1Aed-2F1qUSLs6eE-2FnxdFa7Fg-3D-3DOci8_COUti7EiCTywajQe-2FUkV6Q7oHg8Owr4aj15Vgmgy0-2FUPjgcSDE0tIBzjPB-2BXWZdgj0mye-2FgrcNz8MTWCYihALtVMSZ8IC4j20GcVcTJQQyXc0WZinDFTeLQ951R3WISxMqtBnsNIONHr1SZbXMJmILE8bUtPkRxQdjLpoCgL7w7tmpstWIyHGPleFAUD5E6JRcc3QiHd7u375zQeN5X3KCEcFBiTfXSVHPy62OlI5YQLGui69h8h9PX10udeS4HKh3WSAuk9jYAKSpXNAvQAFLxtFQ5Rq8id9EfvSEgXtEdM0dx7yc5GqJNcDGhzQMbgYKRjGgiL1ztJQgELtUdpl4k23760j-2B4mGbRWv7ppmq4LwU5d6ejXBhisb3OKDMtVbWYsxkLWhNK0vrKUdEX60a-2BQTvvZ5reRgAKQLFckNMmSqITR4OAJ7xxXPi8-2FK3-2Fxsktis30k-2FrUmmFH2Pk0rMOSX-2BeQ-2BxcLMhfmu5egWpSp1TfTWRLdEngTrmn8URkablEndokOEoXmkc34wJ81HC0G8C8xL-2FMkaAwRMpmPeYvhQfkiyIGW5P4sLR9Apl-2F7F5-2BjoBFG9mD1aWDIk6YeknlwRuIhUbs2T1glSH-2FZDS7rIVKqj7LPiaDfHqYWTMOGyDso5EaVr8eKbKhDtoTscZ6w-2BZZfLHsO0PektkMEKOIZZY-2F-2FjO87CcnSb08Jq8o6707qurGKkEpY761XmsqupGQ7-2F7FsTLsLCXi7VHvs7DIU-3D Ah yes, this came out of GOSLINGS... That photo was from Open Concept Consulting's office on Somerset W... > On March 31, 2023 3:30:02 PM EDT, Katherine Mcmillan > wrote: > >Illumos would be a great one to include too. > > > >-Katie > > > >From: Katherine Mcmillan > >Sent: 31 March 2023 15:18 > >To: Richard Guy Briggs > >Cc: Tug Williams ; Linux-Ottawa > > > >Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023 > > > >"OCUNIX"! That's awesome Richard - it wasn't successful? When did it stop > >existing? > > > >Doesn't the OCBUG have the same problem as the OCLUG right now? Don't get > >me wrong, I would go out to a Royal Oak and chat with Scott, Ian and others > >anytime, but it isn't really a formal group. > > > >Sincerely, > >Katie > > > >From: Richard Guy Briggs > >Sent: 31 March 2023 14:20 > >To: Katherine Mcmillan > >Cc: Tug Williams ; Linux-Ottawa > > > >Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023 > > > >Attention : courriel externe | external email > > > >On 2023-03-31 17:25, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > >> Hi Tug, > >> > >> Just out of curiousity, has there ever been any discussion about forming > >> an "Ottawa Unix User Group"? (although "OUUG" sounds terrible, and it > >> can't be "CUUG" because that's already taken - I suppose it could be > >> "NCRUUG" or just "CRUUG"). I ask for several reasons: > > > >OCUNIX used to exist, so did OCUUG. They effectively became OCBUG. > > > >> 1. I'm currently on the Board of Directors for EuroBSDCon (a *BSD > >> focussed international conference). > >> 2. BSDCan<https://www.bsdcan.org/2023/> is coming up in Ottawa! > >> 3. I recently attended a Calgary Unix User Group (CUUG) meeting (thanks > >> all for including me if any of you are on this list!) Theo de Raadt was > >> speaking, and that was really fantastic to witness. It seemed like a > >> successful user group and approach. > >> 4. There are a number of people based in Ottawa and Quebec that are > >> *BSD users/developers/advocates, and more recently I've come across some > >> QNX and Darwin people. There seems to be potential for a collaborative > >> approach to leveraging Unix and Unix-like operating systems. > >> > >> Sincerely, > >> Katie > >> > >> From: Tug Williams > >> Sent: 31 March 2023 11:31 > >> To: linux@linux-ottawa.org > >> Subject: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023 > >> > >> Attention : courriel externe | external email > >> > >> When: 7pm Thursday April 6th 2023 > >> Where: https://meet.jit.si/oclug_2023-04-06 > >> > >> Check the mailing list for individuals hosting in-person clusters. > >> > >> Request for volunteers to give talks, short or long, for future meetings - > >> If you have a Linux related presentation or demo you'd be comfortable > >> sharing with the group, or a discussion topic you wish to introduce, then > >> please let us know. > >> > >> We have a couple of talks, and a proposed change that needs airing and > >> discussing... > >> > >> Topics > >> > >> 1) Discussion of the boards proposal to dissolve the OCLUG corporation > >> (not the club, just the not-for-profit corporation the board believes has > &
Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
On 2023-03-31 17:25, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > Hi Tug, > > Just out of curiousity, has there ever been any discussion about forming an > "Ottawa Unix User Group"? (although "OUUG" sounds terrible, and it can't be > "CUUG" because that's already taken - I suppose it could be "NCRUUG" or just > "CRUUG"). I ask for several reasons: OCUNIX used to exist, so did OCUUG. They effectively became OCBUG. > 1. I'm currently on the Board of Directors for EuroBSDCon (a *BSD focussed > international conference). > 2. BSDCan<https://www.bsdcan.org/2023/> is coming up in Ottawa! > 3. I recently attended a Calgary Unix User Group (CUUG) meeting (thanks > all for including me if any of you are on this list!) Theo de Raadt was > speaking, and that was really fantastic to witness. It seemed like a > successful user group and approach. > 4. There are a number of people based in Ottawa and Quebec that are *BSD > users/developers/advocates, and more recently I've come across some QNX and > Darwin people. There seems to be potential for a collaborative approach to > leveraging Unix and Unix-like operating systems. > > Sincerely, > Katie > > From: Tug Williams > Sent: 31 March 2023 11:31 > To: linux@linux-ottawa.org > Subject: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023 > > Attention : courriel externe | external email > > When: 7pm Thursday April 6th 2023 > Where: https://meet.jit.si/oclug_2023-04-06 > > Check the mailing list for individuals hosting in-person clusters. > > Request for volunteers to give talks, short or long, for future meetings - If > you have a Linux related presentation or demo you'd be comfortable sharing > with the group, or a discussion topic you wish to introduce, then please let > us know. > > We have a couple of talks, and a proposed change that needs airing and > discussing... > > Topics > > 1) Discussion of the boards proposal to dissolve the OCLUG corporation (not > the club, just the not-for-profit corporation the board believes has outlived > is benefit) > 2) talk from Katie McMillan: "The Princess and the Wacom One" > 3) talk from John Nash: "M1 Macintosh and floating point" > > > Proposal to dissolve corporation > > Linux-Ottawa members are asked to vote as per instructions below on the > dissolution of the Ontario not-for-profit corporation "Ottawa Carleton Linux > Users Group" Ontario Corporation number 1476767. > > In that we have not organized events requiring the structure and resources of > a corporation for some years, the motivations for having a corporation no > longer apply. > > This vote does NOT imply that Linux-Ottawa will not continue. We intend, with > member support, to continue the electronic mailing list and regular virtual > and hybrid meetings. However, we have not had anyone step forward willing to > take on Board responsibilities, and the current Board is not in a position to > carry out the legally required administrative operations. A requirement of > dissolution is to transfer resources to an organization with similar goals. > The National Capital Freenet has indicated their willingness to accept a > donation. Moreover, they use and promote open-source software and have > suggested that they would use some of the monies to increase such activity. > Note that we could assist in such work, as some of us are already NCF members > and supporters. > > Assuming the vote is positive, an agent will be engaged to handle the > technical details. One such agency has indicated willingness, with a fee > under $400. > > Note that there is no Plan B unless some members step up with a viable plan > that can get majority member approval in a recorded vote. > > The motion is as follows: > > We, the members of the "Ottawa Carleton Linux Users Group" Ontario > Corporation number 1476767 are in favour of dissolution of that corporation > and transfer of residual money to the National Capital Freenet. > > Procedure: > > All members who have responded to the request to provide their legal name > before March 27, 2023, are eligible to vote. A ballot will be sent by email > from secret...@linux-ottawa.org<mailto:secret...@linux-ottawa.org> to each > such person on or before April 6. Voting will close at 11:59pm on April 6th > EDT. You may vote before the April 6th meeting, or wait for the discussions > at that meeting. > slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Follow up on last night's Twitter / Mastodon talk
On 2022-11-06 21:04, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > On 2022-11-04 15:21, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > > On 2022-11-04 15:00, Brett Delmage wrote: > > > On Fri, 4 Nov 2022, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > > > >On 2022-11-04 13:50, James wrote: > > > >>Nov. 4, 2022 10:25:49 Richard Guy Briggs : > > > >>>How does paying for the account prove any trustworthiness? > > > >> > > > >>It is only to make money. > > > > > > > >That was my assumption, because I don't see the connection between the > > > >two. But it could also be used as a weeder, hedging that it will result > > > >in a certain distribution of payers and those who care about the status > > > >of that checkmark. > > > > > > or being more trustworthy. > > > > Maybe statistically-so, but certainly no guarantee. > > > > > Right now a Twitter verified account (blue Verified badge) has very > > > specific > > > requirements to obtain which are specific to the class of account: > > > > > > https://help.twitter.com/en/managing-your-account/about-twitter-verified-accounts > > > > > > A monthly payment requirement may get rid of many trolls and bots, which > > > are > > > certainly a problem on almost every social media. > > > > Yes. It may also get rid of many legitimate users. Who is to say where > > this balance lies? > > I can't say I trust MSNBC to be unbiased here (see > https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/msnbc/ ) but here's a perspective that > supports the idea that identities/trust can be purchased and that the > value of this purchase may not have been financial... > > Elon Musk Appears In Over His Head With Purchase Of Twitter > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2GfLxTzt7I How's this working out? Here are some of the 'verified' fake Twitter accounts overtaking the platform https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/here-are-some-of-the-verified-fake-twitter-accounts-overtaking-the-platform-1.6150691 > > slainte mhath, RGB > > slainte mhath, RGB slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Follow up on last night's Twitter / Mastodon talk
On 2022-11-07 13:54, Brett Delmage wrote: > Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > >Gold cannot be eaten. > > Not true. > > How Do They Make Gold And Silver Safe To Eat? > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHiPoxLe3yw > > More stupid examples: > https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=edible+gold+leaf We all need trace quantities of many minerals to survive. While you might be absolutely correct, you have completely missed the point. Gold will not sustain your diet. > Tug Williams wrote: > >Regarding gold, though it can be misplaced > > Gold belongs on electrical connections, not 'misplaced' in the sanitary > sewer. Agreed. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Follow up on last night's Twitter / Mastodon talk
On 2022-11-04 15:21, Richard Guy Briggs wrote:
> On 2022-11-04 15:00, Brett Delmage wrote:
> > On Fri, 4 Nov 2022, Richard Guy Briggs wrote:
> > >On 2022-11-04 13:50, James wrote:
> > >>Nov. 4, 2022 10:25:49 Richard Guy Briggs :
> > >>>How does paying for the account prove any trustworthiness?
> > >>
> > >>It is only to make money.
> > >
> > >That was my assumption, because I don't see the connection between the
> > >two. But it could also be used as a weeder, hedging that it will result
> > >in a certain distribution of payers and those who care about the status
> > >of that checkmark.
> >
> > or being more trustworthy.
>
> Maybe statistically-so, but certainly no guarantee.
>
> > Right now a Twitter verified account (blue Verified badge) has very specific
> > requirements to obtain which are specific to the class of account:
> >
> > https://help.twitter.com/en/managing-your-account/about-twitter-verified-accounts
> >
> > A monthly payment requirement may get rid of many trolls and bots, which are
> > certainly a problem on almost every social media.
>
> Yes. It may also get rid of many legitimate users. Who is to say where
> this balance lies?
I can't say I trust MSNBC to be unbiased here (see
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/msnbc/ ) but here's a perspective that
supports the idea that identities/trust can be purchased and that the
value of this purchase may not have been financial...
Elon Musk Appears In Over His Head With Purchase Of Twitter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2GfLxTzt7I
> slainte mhath, RGB
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Re: [linux] I don't have a mobile device.
On 2022-11-06 07:03, Rick Leir wrote: > RGB, team: > > While on the topic of uncommon equipment choices, ... > > I do have a mobile device. But I don't have a working machine with > Microsoft's OS on it. > > What do you run your tax preparation app on? Ufile and such only work on > Microsoft's OS. Run it in a VM? > > Run Ufile / TurboTax in Wine? > > Do it on a paper form? > > Or the worst choice: at a web site? ufile.ca web site, but it hasn't been working lately for recent years, dunno if it is a browser issue. It was working until about a year ago, but then it stopped working on the last 5 or so. > cheers -- Rick > > On 2022-11-02 08:31, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > >On 2022-11-02 06:35, Tug Williams wrote: > >>On 01/11/2022 22:06, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > >>>On 2022-11-01 16:29, Tug Williams wrote: > >>>>No-one has arranged a physical meeting, so the meeting will be on jitsi > >>>>only. > >>>Ok, I'll propose to meet at the Royal Oak. I'll suggest the > >>>Wellington/Hinton location because there seem to be more people in the > >>>west end. (I can see a Royal Oak from my home office here, but I'm east > >>>of parliament...) > >>> > >>>>That said, if anyone wishes to arrange a physical get together with > >>>>others, > >>>>then they can do that, and join the rest of us on the jitsi meeting. > >>>I won't have any mobile device with me. > >>RGB: Just to be unambiguous here. Are you saying > >>a) you're leaving your phone at home? or > >I don't have a mobile device. > > > >>b) that when you booked the venue, you were unable to ascertain whether > >>there was a usable internet connection for connecting to a jitsi meeting? or > >No idea. > > > >>c) you won't be joining the jitsi meeting? or > >*I* can't join any online meeting because I don't have a mobile device. > > > >>d) something else I have not been able to imagine? > >I am hoping others are also craving some in-person interaction and will > >join me at this venue. I'll aim for 18:30. If they happen to have a > >mobile device and can join the jitsi meeting, then we will join the rest > >online. > > > >>Bottom line, should our assumption be that we cannot rely on your > >>contributing to a jitsi discussion about CentOS? > >I will if someone else with a mobile device shows up and chooses to join > >the jitsi discussion. > > > >This follows the previous discussion ideas about alternating online and > >in-person meetings. I can't imagine that I'm the only one in this > >position. The dynamics are different in person, and I am seeking that > >type of interaction because we haven't had that for 2.5 years. > > > >>Katie: Will you be joining the jitsi meeting to contribute your piece? This > >>is so I know how much needs doing to prepare back up topics, JIC. > >> > >>Thanks > >> > >>Tug > >> > >>>>The link will follow, before Thursday's meeting. > >>>> > >>>>Tug > >>>> > >>>>On 01/11/2022 16:26, Dmitriy Korovkin wrote: > >>>>>I would prefer virtual meeting. Much more convenient. > >>>>>/Dmitriy > >>>>> > >>>>>On Tue, 1 Nov, 2022 at 4:03 PM, Ian E. Gorman wrote: > >>>>>>Will the Thursday??meeting be entirely on Jitsi? > >>>>>> > >>>>>>On Tue, Nov 1, 2022 at 12:39 PM Katherine Mcmillan > >>>>>>wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Hi Richard, > >>>>>> > >>>>>>I would love to hear about your thoughts/experiences on this! > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Sincerely, > >>>>>>Katie > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>*From:* Richard Guy Briggs > >>>>>>*Sent:* Tuesday, November 1, 2022 12:35:26 PM > >>>>>>*To:* Tug Williams > >>>>>>*Cc:* Katherine Mcmillan ; > >>>>>>linux@linux-ottawa.org ; Jean-Francois > >>>>>>Messier > >>>>>>*Subject:* Re: [linux] Meeting tonight > >>>>>>Attention : courriel externe | external email > >>>>>> > >&g
Re: [linux] Follow up on last night's Twitter / Mastodon talk
On 2022-11-04 15:56, Tug Williams wrote: > > On 04/11/2022 15:24, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > >Bitcoin or dollars are only valuable because enough people think they > >are. Gold does have other uses. > > Bitcoin are valuable only because enough people think they are. > > Dollars have value because millions of legal contracts require people to pay > or receive them in lieu of goods or services, so their value is real, backed > by the goods and services of our complex society. Dollars are an IOU from > society. When was the last time you were able to barter a few lines of code > for your weekly groceries? Inflation puts the lie to that. In a society with runaway inflation, barter is more useful. > Regarding gold, though it can be misplaced, it cannot be destroyed, at least > not by you or me. > > But I think we're drifting further and further away from Twitter / Mastodon > here... We're talking about value, any of which is ultimately perceived rather than real. Gold cannot be eaten. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Follow up on last night's Twitter / Mastodon talk
On 2022-11-04 15:09, Brett Delmage wrote: > On Fri, 4 Nov 2022, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > >I'm not saying [twitter] isn't but why was it valued so high? (That's > >rhetorical.) Even if it loses money, it is still likely be quite valuable > >to Musk as a tool to facilitate other goals. > > Any social media property/corporation is only valuable as long as bazillion > target users are engaged, giving up their privacy, and reading ads or > content that the owner wants to influence them with. > > And users are free to trivially disengage or leave, as they have on other > social media in the past. Bitcoin or dollars are only valuable because enough people think they are. Gold does have other uses. > Nothing else matters. > > Of course U.S. government TLAs may value a social media property which has > bazillion users spilling every moment of their lives and being geo-tracked. > Who's to say an agency doesn't have a hand in the current twitter situation? That is absolutely possible. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Follow up on last night's Twitter / Mastodon talk
On 2022-11-04 15:00, Brett Delmage wrote: > On Fri, 4 Nov 2022, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > > >On 2022-11-04 13:50, James wrote: > >>Nov. 4, 2022 10:25:49 Richard Guy Briggs : > >>>How does paying for the account prove any trustworthiness? > >> > >>It is only to make money. > > > >That was my assumption, because I don't see the connection between the > >two. But it could also be used as a weeder, hedging that it will result > >in a certain distribution of payers and those who care about the status > >of that checkmark. > > or being more trustworthy. Maybe statistically-so, but certainly no guarantee. > Right now a Twitter verified account (blue Verified badge) has very specific > requirements to obtain which are specific to the class of account: > > https://help.twitter.com/en/managing-your-account/about-twitter-verified-accounts > > A monthly payment requirement may get rid of many trolls and bots, which are > certainly a problem on almost every social media. Yes. It may also get rid of many legitimate users. Who is to say where this balance lies? > I do not see how Mastodon is better than this at all. Does it have any web > of trust like PGP/GPG signed keys? It would not be any worse than current email systems. Depending on the size of the domain in terms of number of users, and reputation of the domain, you can choose to trust a domain more than others. > Won't Mastodon be overrun by Big Domain Name owners who already have name > recognition of the domain part of the account handle? e.g. microsoft.com? But this is the beauty of federation. It delegates that authority and reputation. Smaller communities tend to be more accountable to each other. Do you trust email from @gmail.com? > What is stopping *anyone* from setting up a "Linux Ottawa" or "OCLUG" domain > on Mastodon and abusing it? (the only effective remedy that I am aware of > for domain squatting is trademark law and protection). That is already a problem for email and is already dealt with in terms of reputation and trademark law. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Follow up on last night's Twitter / Mastodon talk
On 2022-11-04 13:50, James wrote: > Nov. 4, 2022 10:25:49 Richard Guy Briggs : > > How does paying for the account prove any trustworthiness? > > It is only to make money. That was my assumption, because I don't see the connection between the two. But it could also be used as a weeder, hedging that it will result in a certain distribution of payers and those who care about the status of that checkmark. > Isn't the platform losing money? I'm not saying it isn't but why was it valued so high? (That's rhetorical.) Even if it loses money, it is still likely be quite valuable to Musk as a tool to facilitate other goals. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Follow up on last night's Twitter / Mastodon talk
On 2022-11-04 10:05, Tug Williams wrote: > I heard an interesting item on the radio this morning, relating to the > pending firing of lots of Twitter staff. There was an interview with a > journalist (with a Twitter blue tick), who said she'd not be paying for the > blue tick, because if it can be purchased, then it loses it's meaning of > proving trustworthiness. Yeah, we were chuckling about that at the restaurant last night when you raised it on your slide... How does paying for the account prove any trustworthiness? > Tug slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Meeting Thursday night (edited to be factually correct)
On 2022-11-03 17:26, James wrote: > Nov. 2, 2022 13:31:49 Richard Guy Briggs : > >> Ottawa has its most COVID-19 hospitalizations in 9 months > >> https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/covid19-ottawa-current-cases-status-november-2022-1.6636608 > > > > I've been following the poop-meter regularly for more than two years: > > ?? https://613covid.ca/wastewater/ > > Cases are not evenly spread out in the region. > Congregate living places have always been worse. Yup, and I'm not particularly concerned about what I expected to be a small gathering in a pub given a strong penchant in this group to remain online. Particularly after being in some very crowded pubs in Dublin a month and a half ago. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Meeting Thursday night (edited to be factually correct)
On 2022-11-02 19:27, Dante Catalfamo wrote: > So is there going to be a meeting at the wellington royal oak tomorrow? > If that's the case, who is going to be attending? I will and I've had a private message from another who will meet me there beforehand. I'm guessing they will also stay and certain they have the tech to join the jitsi meeting. > On Tue, 2022-11-01 at 22:06 -0400, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > > On 2022-11-01 16:29, Tug Williams wrote: > > > No-one has arranged a physical meeting, so the meeting will be on > > > jitsi > > > only. > > > > Ok, I'll propose to meet at the Royal Oak.?? I'll suggest the > > Wellington/Hinton location because there seem to be more people in > > the > > west end.?? (I can see a Royal Oak from my home office here, but I'm > > east > > of parliament...) > > > > > That said, if anyone wishes to arrange a physical get together with > > > others, > > > then they can do that, and join the rest of us on the jitsi > > > meeting. > > > > I won't have any mobile device with me. > > > > > The link will follow, before Thursday's meeting. > > > > > > Tug > > > > > > On 01/11/2022 16:26, Dmitriy Korovkin wrote: > > > > I would prefer virtual meeting. Much more convenient. > > > > /Dmitriy > > > > > > > > On Tue, 1 Nov, 2022 at 4:03 PM, Ian E. Gorman > > > > wrote: > > > > > Will the Thursday??meeting be entirely on Jitsi? > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 1, 2022 at 12:39 PM Katherine Mcmillan > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Richard, > > > > > > > > > > I would love to hear about your thoughts/experiences on > > > > > this! > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > Katie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Richard Guy Briggs > > > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 1, 2022 12:35:26 PM > > > > > *To:* Tug Williams > > > > > *Cc:* Katherine Mcmillan ; > > > > > linux@linux-ottawa.org??; Jean- > > > > > Francois > > > > > Messier > > > > > *Subject:* Re: [linux] Meeting tonight > > > > > Attention : courriel externe | external email > > > > > > > > > > On 2022-11-01 12:12, Tug Williams wrote: > > > > > > Katie, > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd be interested to know what you're referring to, as I'm > > > > > not > > > > > a CentOS > > > > > > person... I could google, but I'd also be happy to hear on > > > > > Thursday :) > > > > > > > > > > As an employee of the organization responsible for that > > > > > disto, I may > > > > > have some opinions about the subject...?? ;-) It was a bit > > > > > messy... > > > > > > > > > > > I also have a few discussion topics related to Dr Chen's > > > > > talk. > > > > > I have > > > > > > written a few notes, but nothing as concrete as "a talk". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My 3 sub-topics (follow up questions from his the talk) > > > > > relate to > > > > > > > > > > > > - open data formats (I have opinions) > > > > > > - data security (I have questions) > > > > > > - who pays the ferryman? (I have opinions and questions) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unrelatedley - I also did some initial investigation into > > > > > Mastodon as an > > > > > > open source replacement for Twitter, which could lead to > > > > > an > > > > > interesting > > > > > > discussion. Maybe others have more experience. Alas I > > > > > didn't > > > > > get as far as > > > > > > successfully installing a server. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ?
Re: [linux] Meeting Thursday night (edited to be factually correct)
On 2022-11-02 18:39, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > Hm..seems pretty smart to me. > Would be interested in your thoughts on the Pine64 project, but that's > probably a conversation better had at a user group meeting. I am aware of it. I may be in the market around retirement when travel is likely to become a more serious occupation. > -Katie > ____ > From: Richard Guy Briggs > Sent: 02 November 2022 14:34 > To: Katherine Mcmillan > Cc: Linux-Ottawa > Subject: Re: [linux] Meeting Thursday night (edited to be factually correct) > > Attention : courriel externe | external email > > On 2022-11-02 17:37, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > > Richard - you don't even have a pager? > > No. I remember pretty clearly in 1995 riding my Miyata 1000LT west on > Baseline at Prince of Wales thinking how it would be pretty cool to be > able to call one of my friends at that point. As with most of my > consumer purchases, I waited a week for a "sober second thought", and by > the end of that week I concluded there was no good reason anyone needed > to get a hold of me that urgently. Once smart phones came out in the > mid-2000s and the way people were using them, I confirmed my initial > decision not to join that culture. I prefer to be "fully present" in > public. > > > I've worked at a couple of hospitals, and whenever I still see those > > things, they remind me of better days (of course, they're usually on > > doctors). > > > > -Katie > > > > > > From: Richard Guy Briggs > > Sent: 02 November 2022 13:31 > > To: Brett Delmage > > Cc: linux@linux-ottawa.org > > Subject: Re: [linux] Meeting Thursday night (edited to be factually correct) > > > > Attention : courriel externe | external email > > > > On 2022-11-02 11:44, Brett Delmage wrote: > > > On Wed, 2 Nov 2022, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > > > >The dynamics are different in person, and I am seeking that > > > >type of interaction because we haven't had that for 2.5 years. > > > > ... > > > > > Is this a OCLUG meeting or a Beer SIG? > > > > "yes". > > > > > "In person" is not the same as maskless. People can have perfectly > > > valuable > > > and enjoyable social interactions while still respectfully wearing masks, > > > as > > > has been established the past two years. > > > > They are even better when food is shared. The Linux Plumbers Conference > > and Linux Security Summit we attended in September in Dublin > > demonstrated that very clearly. > > > > > But not in a bar this week. Such a choice, especially without concern and > > > action to involve virtual participants who may be the most isolated, is > > > exclusionary at the least, IMO. > > > > *I* don't have a mobile device, but I'm not adverse to having someone > > with such a device join us and connect to the virtual meeting. > > > > > Ottawa has its most COVID-19 hospitalizations in 9 months > > > https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/covid19-ottawa-current-cases-status-november-2022-1.6636608 > > > > I've been following the poop-meter regularly for more than two years: > > https://613covid.ca/wastewater/ > > > > Mine is a personal choice. I am comfortable with my informed risk > > taking into account vaccine status and previous exposure and the risk to > > other household members. > > > > I'm not a member of TUPOC (they are currently hanging out at the > > public archives and national library...). > > > > slainte mhath, RGB > > slainte mhath, RGB slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Meeting Thursday night (edited to be factually correct)
On 2022-11-02 17:37, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > Richard - you don't even have a pager? No. I remember pretty clearly in 1995 riding my Miyata 1000LT west on Baseline at Prince of Wales thinking how it would be pretty cool to be able to call one of my friends at that point. As with most of my consumer purchases, I waited a week for a "sober second thought", and by the end of that week I concluded there was no good reason anyone needed to get a hold of me that urgently. Once smart phones came out in the mid-2000s and the way people were using them, I confirmed my initial decision not to join that culture. I prefer to be "fully present" in public. > I've worked at a couple of hospitals, and whenever I still see those things, > they remind me of better days (of course, they're usually on doctors). > > -Katie > > ____________ > From: Richard Guy Briggs > Sent: 02 November 2022 13:31 > To: Brett Delmage > Cc: linux@linux-ottawa.org > Subject: Re: [linux] Meeting Thursday night (edited to be factually correct) > > Attention : courriel externe | external email > > On 2022-11-02 11:44, Brett Delmage wrote: > > On Wed, 2 Nov 2022, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > > >The dynamics are different in person, and I am seeking that > > >type of interaction because we haven't had that for 2.5 years. > > ... > > > Is this a OCLUG meeting or a Beer SIG? > > "yes". > > > "In person" is not the same as maskless. People can have perfectly valuable > > and enjoyable social interactions while still respectfully wearing masks, as > > has been established the past two years. > > They are even better when food is shared. The Linux Plumbers Conference > and Linux Security Summit we attended in September in Dublin > demonstrated that very clearly. > > > But not in a bar this week. Such a choice, especially without concern and > > action to involve virtual participants who may be the most isolated, is > > exclusionary at the least, IMO. > > *I* don't have a mobile device, but I'm not adverse to having someone > with such a device join us and connect to the virtual meeting. > > > Ottawa has its most COVID-19 hospitalizations in 9 months > > https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/covid19-ottawa-current-cases-status-november-2022-1.6636608 > > I've been following the poop-meter regularly for more than two years: > https://613covid.ca/wastewater/ > > Mine is a personal choice. I am comfortable with my informed risk > taking into account vaccine status and previous exposure and the risk to > other household members. > > I'm not a member of TUPOC (they are currently hanging out at the > public archives and national library...). > > slainte mhath, RGB slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Meeting Thursday night (edited to be factually correct)
On 2022-11-02 11:44, Brett Delmage wrote: > On Wed, 2 Nov 2022, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > >The dynamics are different in person, and I am seeking that > >type of interaction because we haven't had that for 2.5 years. ... > Is this a OCLUG meeting or a Beer SIG? "yes". > "In person" is not the same as maskless. People can have perfectly valuable > and enjoyable social interactions while still respectfully wearing masks, as > has been established the past two years. They are even better when food is shared. The Linux Plumbers Conference and Linux Security Summit we attended in September in Dublin demonstrated that very clearly. > But not in a bar this week. Such a choice, especially without concern and > action to involve virtual participants who may be the most isolated, is > exclusionary at the least, IMO. *I* don't have a mobile device, but I'm not adverse to having someone with such a device join us and connect to the virtual meeting. > Ottawa has its most COVID-19 hospitalizations in 9 months > https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/covid19-ottawa-current-cases-status-november-2022-1.6636608 I've been following the poop-meter regularly for more than two years: https://613covid.ca/wastewater/ Mine is a personal choice. I am comfortable with my informed risk taking into account vaccine status and previous exposure and the risk to other household members. I'm not a member of TUPOC (they are currently hanging out at the public archives and national library...). slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Meeting Thursday night (edited to be factually correct)
On 2022-11-02 06:35, Tug Williams wrote: > On 01/11/2022 22:06, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > >On 2022-11-01 16:29, Tug Williams wrote: > >>No-one has arranged a physical meeting, so the meeting will be on jitsi > >>only. > >Ok, I'll propose to meet at the Royal Oak. I'll suggest the > >Wellington/Hinton location because there seem to be more people in the > >west end. (I can see a Royal Oak from my home office here, but I'm east > >of parliament...) > > > >>That said, if anyone wishes to arrange a physical get together with others, > >>then they can do that, and join the rest of us on the jitsi meeting. > >I won't have any mobile device with me. > > RGB: Just to be unambiguous here. Are you saying > a) you're leaving your phone at home? or I don't have a mobile device. > b) that when you booked the venue, you were unable to ascertain whether > there was a usable internet connection for connecting to a jitsi meeting? or No idea. > c) you won't be joining the jitsi meeting? or *I* can't join any online meeting because I don't have a mobile device. > d) something else I have not been able to imagine? I am hoping others are also craving some in-person interaction and will join me at this venue. I'll aim for 18:30. If they happen to have a mobile device and can join the jitsi meeting, then we will join the rest online. > Bottom line, should our assumption be that we cannot rely on your > contributing to a jitsi discussion about CentOS? I will if someone else with a mobile device shows up and chooses to join the jitsi discussion. This follows the previous discussion ideas about alternating online and in-person meetings. I can't imagine that I'm the only one in this position. The dynamics are different in person, and I am seeking that type of interaction because we haven't had that for 2.5 years. > Katie: Will you be joining the jitsi meeting to contribute your piece? This > is so I know how much needs doing to prepare back up topics, JIC. > > Thanks > > Tug > > >>The link will follow, before Thursday's meeting. > >> > >>Tug > >> > >>On 01/11/2022 16:26, Dmitriy Korovkin wrote: > >>>I would prefer virtual meeting. Much more convenient. > >>>/Dmitriy > >>> > >>>On Tue, 1 Nov, 2022 at 4:03 PM, Ian E. Gorman wrote: > >>>>Will the Thursday??meeting be entirely on Jitsi? > >>>> > >>>>On Tue, Nov 1, 2022 at 12:39 PM Katherine Mcmillan > >>>>wrote: > >>>> > >>>>Hi Richard, > >>>> > >>>>I would love to hear about your thoughts/experiences on this! > >>>> > >>>>Sincerely, > >>>>Katie > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>*From:* Richard Guy Briggs > >>>>*Sent:* Tuesday, November 1, 2022 12:35:26 PM > >>>>*To:* Tug Williams > >>>>*Cc:* Katherine Mcmillan ; > >>>>linux@linux-ottawa.org ; Jean-Francois > >>>>Messier > >>>>*Subject:* Re: [linux] Meeting tonight > >>>>Attention : courriel externe | external email > >>>> > >>>>On 2022-11-01 12:12, Tug Williams wrote: > >>>>> Katie, > >>>>> > >>>>> I'd be interested to know what you're referring to, as I'm not > >>>>a CentOS > >>>>> person... I could google, but I'd also be happy to hear on > >>>>Thursday :) > >>>> > >>>>As an employee of the organization responsible for that disto, I may > >>>>have some opinions about the subject...?? ;-) It was a bit messy... > >>>> > >>>>> I also have a few discussion topics related to Dr Chen's talk. > >>>>I have > >>>>> written a few notes, but nothing as concrete as "a talk". > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> My 3 sub-topics (follow up questions from his the talk) relate to > >>>>> > >>>>> - open data formats (I have opinions) > >>>>> - data security (I have questions) > >>>>> - who pays the ferryman? (I have opinions and questions) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Unrelatedley - I also did some initial investigation into > >>>>Mastodon as an &
Re: [linux] Meeting Thursday night (edited to be factually correct)
On 2022-11-01 16:29, Tug Williams wrote: > No-one has arranged a physical meeting, so the meeting will be on jitsi > only. Ok, I'll propose to meet at the Royal Oak. I'll suggest the Wellington/Hinton location because there seem to be more people in the west end. (I can see a Royal Oak from my home office here, but I'm east of parliament...) > That said, if anyone wishes to arrange a physical get together with others, > then they can do that, and join the rest of us on the jitsi meeting. I won't have any mobile device with me. > The link will follow, before Thursday's meeting. > > Tug > > On 01/11/2022 16:26, Dmitriy Korovkin wrote: > >I would prefer virtual meeting. Much more convenient. > >/Dmitriy > > > >On Tue, 1 Nov, 2022 at 4:03 PM, Ian E. Gorman wrote: > >>Will the Thursday??meeting be entirely on Jitsi? > >> > >>On Tue, Nov 1, 2022 at 12:39 PM Katherine Mcmillan > >>wrote: > >> > >>Hi Richard, > >> > >>I would love to hear about your thoughts/experiences on this! > >> > >> Sincerely, > >>Katie > >> > >> > >>*From:* Richard Guy Briggs > >>*Sent:* Tuesday, November 1, 2022 12:35:26 PM > >>*To:* Tug Williams > >>*Cc:* Katherine Mcmillan ; > >>linux@linux-ottawa.org ; Jean-Francois > >>Messier > >>*Subject:* Re: [linux] Meeting tonight > >>Attention : courriel externe | external email > >> > >>On 2022-11-01 12:12, Tug Williams wrote: > >>> Katie, > >>> > >>> I'd be interested to know what you're referring to, as I'm not > >>a CentOS > >>> person... I could google, but I'd also be happy to hear on > >>Thursday :) > >> > >>As an employee of the organization responsible for that disto, I may > >>have some opinions about the subject...?? ;-) It was a bit messy... > >> > >>> I also have a few discussion topics related to Dr Chen's talk. > >>I have > >>> written a few notes, but nothing as concrete as "a talk". > >>> > >>> > >>> My 3 sub-topics (follow up questions from his the talk) relate to > >>> > >>> - open data formats (I have opinions) > >>> - data security (I have questions) > >>> - who pays the ferryman? (I have opinions and questions) > >>> > >>> > >>> Unrelatedley - I also did some initial investigation into > >>Mastodon as an > >>> open source replacement for Twitter, which could lead to an > >>interesting > >>> discussion. Maybe others have more experience. Alas I didn't > >>get as far as > >>> successfully installing a server. > >>> > >>> > >>> So if there is interest, I think we have enough material for a > >>few jitsi > >>> based discussions on Thursday. > >>> > >>> > >>> Tug > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 01/11/2022 11:50, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > >>> >Hi Jean-Francois, > >>> > > >>> >I am happy to attend a meeting on Thursday.?? I regret missing > >>last > >>> >month's meeting as Home Assistant and home automation are really > >>> >interesting to me, however, I was unexpectedly detained. > >>> > > >>> >I would love to know about everyone's experiences around the > >>changes to > >>> >CentOS 7/8.?? Personally, those affected my thesis work - I'd > >>like to know > >>> >how/if they affected others and what others did.?? I'd be > >>happy to explain > >>> >the changes I'm talking about, if needed. > >>> > > >>> >Sincerely, > >>> >Katie > >> > > >> > >> > > >>> >*From:* Jean-Francois Messier > >>> >*Sent:* 01 November 2022 11:45 > >>> >*To:* linux@linux-ottawa.org > >>> >*Subject:* Re: [linux] Meeting tonight > >>> >*Attention : courriel externe | external email* > >>> >Yeah, actually, this is not tonight, but Thursday night. I stand > >>> >corrected. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >On 2022-11-01T11:36:26.000-04:00, Jean-Francois Messier > >> > >>> >wrote: > >>> > > >>> >?? Do we have any topic, location, hours for tonight meeting ? > >>> > > >>> >?? Thanks :-) > >>> > > >>> >?? JF Messier (j...@messier.ca <mailto:j...@messier.ca > >><mailto:j...@messier.ca>>) > >>> > > >>> > > >> > >>?? slainte mhath, RGB > >> > >>Ian Earl Gorman | //www.gorman.ca/ <http://www.gorman.ca/> | slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Meeting tonight
On 2022-11-01 12:12, Tug Williams wrote: > Katie, > > I'd be interested to know what you're referring to, as I'm not a CentOS > person... I could google, but I'd also be happy to hear on Thursday :) As an employee of the organization responsible for that disto, I may have some opinions about the subject... ;-)It was a bit messy... > I also have a few discussion topics related to Dr Chen's talk. I have > written a few notes, but nothing as concrete as "a talk". > > > My 3 sub-topics (follow up questions from his the talk) relate to > > - open data formats (I have opinions) > - data security (I have questions) > - who pays the ferryman? (I have opinions and questions) > > > Unrelatedley - I also did some initial investigation into Mastodon as an > open source replacement for Twitter, which could lead to an interesting > discussion. Maybe others have more experience. Alas I didn't get as far as > successfully installing a server. > > > So if there is interest, I think we have enough material for a few jitsi > based discussions on Thursday. > > > Tug > > > > On 01/11/2022 11:50, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > >Hi Jean-Francois, > > > >I am happy to attend a meeting on Thursday.?? I regret missing last > >month's meeting as Home Assistant and home automation are really > >interesting to me, however, I was unexpectedly detained. > > > >I would love to know about everyone's experiences around the changes to > >CentOS 7/8.?? Personally, those affected my thesis work - I'd like to know > >how/if they affected others and what others did.?? I'd be happy to explain > >the changes I'm talking about, if needed. > > > >Sincerely, > >Katie > > > >*From:* Jean-Francois Messier > >*Sent:* 01 November 2022 11:45 > >*To:* linux@linux-ottawa.org > >*Subject:* Re: [linux] Meeting tonight > >*Attention : courriel externe | external email* > >Yeah, actually, this is not tonight, but Thursday night. I stand > >corrected. > > > > > >On 2022-11-01T11:36:26.000-04:00, Jean-Francois Messier > >wrote: > > > >Do we have any topic, location, hours for tonight meeting ? > > > >Thanks :-) > > > >JF Messier (j...@messier.ca <mailto:j...@messier.ca>) > > > > slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Meeting tonight
On 2022-11-01 16:36, Jean-Francois Messier wrote: > Do we have any topic, location, hours for tonight meeting ??? Tonight? Do you mean Thursday November 3rd? > Thanks :-) > > JF Messier (j...@messier.ca) slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Details for tomorrow's meeting ?
On 2022-10-06 15:44, J C Nash wrote: > See below. Come on people, this isn't hard: https://meet.jit.si/oclug-2022-10-06-home-automation See you at 19:00 if not earlier. > On Wed, 2022-10-05 at 23:46 -0400, Dmitriy Korovkin wrote: > > As far as I am concern, on-line. John will post the announcement. > > > > Regards, > > /Dmitriy > > > > On Wed, 5 Oct, 2022 at 11:18 PM, Jean-Francois Messier > > wrote: > > > In-person, or only online ? And how to connect ? Thanks :-) > > > > > > Jean-Francois Messier > > It looks like my message: > > > From Board Mtg on Monday, I am surmising we are going to do a virtual > > meeting > > (though possibly with informal "clusters" if there are folk so interested in > > gathering around a cosy laptop) on home automation. > > > > Presenters: Dmitriy Korovkin > > R G Briggs > > ?? any others > > > > I can put up an announcement and send out email. However, I'll be likely > > returning to Ottawa on the night of meeting, and leaving early in the > > week, so should get the announcement done soon. > > > > Can I ask for a 1-3 sentence promotional description for those willing > > to present something? > > > > On another matter, please note that due to Microsoft authentication changes > > that uOttawa seems unwilling to manage so Thunderbird can connect, I'll be > > using nas...@ncf.ca for my personal email, with profjcn...@gmail.com > > for public communications on lists etc. I won't close the nas...@uottawa.ca > > identity, but using web outlook confirms why I like open source solutions. > > Unfortunately, I've too much history with the uottawa identity to abandon > > it, > > and hope that situation will resolve at some point. > > > > JN > > sent on Sept 28, and I got no reply before I left early Tues morning. I saw > Dmitri's > response just now. > > I have just in last 1/2 hour returned from Eileen Gowan Island in Lake > Muskoka. No > Internet. So I have NOT set anything up because I have another organization > meeting > to attend at same time tonight. > > My suggestion is that we postpone to next month. > > Really, guys. I'm 1 person, not Linux-Ottawa, and I'm feeling lonely. > > JN slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] New Ubuntu User requesting advice
On 2022-09-05 16:11, Kenneth Billings wrote: > New user of Linux?? Hi Ken! > Trying to load OpenShot Video Editor I've had stability problems with OpenShot on Debian (related to Ubuntu). My son and I have have had much better luck with kdenlive. It should be an easy native package install. > and need help setting up dual boot for GNOME and KDE That should be selectable upon user login via some pulldown to let you select which desktop once both desktop system packages are installed. > Any help is appreciated... > Ken BillingsOld Ottawa South near Carleton U.Home phone: 613-699-0285Email: > krb...@yahoo.com slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] meeting Sept 1
On 2022-08-27 10:40, J C Nash wrote: > 3. 30 minute talk from Dr. David Chan ???Introducing an Open Source EMR: > OSCAR EMR??? ??He will introduce these eHealth concepts and > how Open Source tools (especially Linux) guided the development: > > Electronic Medical Records (OSCAR) > Personal Controlled Personal Health Record (KindredPHR) > Computerized Clinical Decision Support (Know2Act) > Consumer Health Products and Internet of Things Given the timing of this talk... Ottawa Hospital experiencing 'critical' network failure at all 3 campuses 'Hardware issue' discovered at 5 a.m. Friday, information provided to hospital staff states https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-hospital-network-failure-sept-2-2022-1.6563456 "staff can keep doing medicine without computers" slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Fwd: Home automation and concept art
On 2022-08-27 12:58, Ian! D. Allen wrote: > Yes please to Linux Home Automation. > > I have recently purchased a Hubitat and a few ZWave devices: > > - a pair of Aeotec current sensors in my house circuit breaker panel > - Honeywell thermostat (does not call home to Honeywell) > - Aeotec temperature/humidity sensor > - HomeSeer floodlight sensor > > I'd love to have coding access to these devices. > > I have my eye on the WiFi IoTaWatt current sensor unit with 14 sensors > instead of 2: $293.30 USD plus $45 delivery https://stuff.iotawatt.com/cart/ Things have come a ways in a decade. :-) > On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 08:22:30AM -0400, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > > On 2022-08-27 02:10, Dmitriy Korovkin wrote: > > > As for the general, if there is an interest in OCLUG to OpenSource in home > > > automation, we could run a discussion at one of the meetings. From my > > > side, > > > I am ready to talk briefly about openHAB, ZephyrOS as an OS for sensor > > > devices, may be some words about MQTT in home automation if needed. > > > > I'd be interested in this, and would even be willing to do a > > presentation about my home power monitoring system that I developped > > using current sensors in my house circuit breaker panel, a Teensy3.0 > > (arduino), and a perl script with MRTG. > > | Ian! D. Allen, BA-Psych, MMath-CompSci idal...@idallen.ca Ottawa CANADA slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Fwd: Home automation and concept art
On 2022-08-27 02:10, Dmitriy Korovkin wrote: > 8X-Joke--X8 > Concept art: > An Arm Cortex M4 board with two buttons and Ethernet running ZephyrOS > publishes data on each button press. > Data goes to Linux powered wall clock also running MQTT broker. > openHAB server subscribes on MQTT broker and changes volume on MPD server on > each that event. > Surprisingly, it all works quite decently. > 8X-Joke--X8 > > This sort of creation which marks a stage in my home automation project was > supposed to be done just for fun and test if this will work at all. > > As for the general, if there is an interest in OCLUG to OpenSource in home > automation, we could run a discussion at one of the meetings. From my side, > I am ready to talk briefly about openHAB, ZephyrOS as an OS for sensor > devices, may be some words about MQTT in home automation if needed. I'd be interested in this, and would even be willing to do a presentation about my home power monitoring system that I developped using current sensors in my house circuit breaker panel, a Teensy3.0 (arduino), and a perl script with MRTG. > Thoughts? > > -- > Dmitriy Korovkin slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Meeting tonight ?
On 22/06/02, J C Nash wrote: > Did nobody look at the wiki? Wiki? Didn't occur to me to look there... I went first to email, then IRC and our jitsi instance. > I got no response to any queries over several days, so put up a "no meeting". > > JN > > On 2022-06-02 18:59, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > > On 2022-06-02 18:53, Jean-Francois Messier wrote: > > > We did not see any code for tonight's meeting. Or did I miss something ? > > > > Thanks JF, I think we dropped the ball. > > > > I've been checking six.linux-ottawa.org which hasn't been updated since > > 2022-03-03 and six.linux-ottawa.org/LinuxOttawa20220602 is a 404. > > > > I'm on meet.jit.si/oclug-2022-06-02 to see if anyone else shows up. > > > > I have a conflict with a board meeting for another non-profit at 19:30. > > > > > JF > > > >slainte mhath, RGB slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Meeting tonight ?
On 2022-06-02 18:53, Jean-Francois Messier wrote: > We did not see any code for tonight's meeting. Or did I miss something ? Thanks JF, I think we dropped the ball. I've been checking six.linux-ottawa.org which hasn't been updated since 2022-03-03 and six.linux-ottawa.org/LinuxOttawa20220602 is a 404. I'm on meet.jit.si/oclug-2022-06-02 to see if anyone else shows up. I have a conflict with a board meeting for another non-profit at 19:30. > JF slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] link for May 5 meeting
On 2022-05-05 18:41, J C Nash wrote: > https://framatalk.org/3myrenkxm69u1a Did that just die or was it me? I've started a rescue session on https://meet.jit.si/oclug-2022-05-05 slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] open source chat
On 2022-04-27 14:57, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > On 2022-04-27 14:43, John Brooks wrote: > > On 2022-04-27 14:41, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > > >I moved away from FreeNode as much as I could in 2002 due to way > > >too much drama. That drama has migrated to Libera. > > > > That's 20 years ago. I've been active on freenode (now Libera) since 2012 > > and I don't know what "drama" you're referring to. > > The stuff that shows up in wallops that doesn't seem to affect OFTC. Oh, and that minor one that caused the creation of Libera. :-o > slainte mhath, RGB slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] open source chat
On 2022-04-27 14:43, John Brooks wrote: > On 2022-04-27 14:41, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > >I moved away from FreeNode as much as I could in 2002 due to way > >too much drama. That drama has migrated to Libera. > > That's 20 years ago. I've been active on freenode (now Libera) since 2012 > and I don't know what "drama" you're referring to. The stuff that shows up in wallops that doesn't seem to affect OFTC. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] open source chat
On 2022-04-27 18:19, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > Hello all, > > I would like to help :) > > Gitter - I agree with Rick, this could be a good open source option for > chat/instant messaging. I'm happy to help in any way that I can to get this > up-and-running for the group. Is gitter an open protocol such that running our own server is possible? I don't necessarily want to run our own, but know that it is auditable. > IRC - I have had a negative experience with IRC, but specifically with the > FreeNode network > (https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/19/freenode_staff_resigns/). I would > recommend leveraging Libera or Efnet networks. I may also have a VM that > could be used to setup our own network - however, it is running OpenBSD, not > a Linux distro I have had success with multiple clients, but do find > the best are HexChat (Windows + Unix-like), XChat (Linux distros), or Nettalk > (Windows). IRC is really ONLY good for text chat. Yeah, I moved away from FreeNode as much as I could in 2002 due to way too much drama. That drama has migrated to Libera. OCLUG moved to OFTC in 2002 as well and I moved several other groups there too and have been very happy with OFTC where the current OCLUG IRC channels still live. I don't have any notable experience with Efnet. Agreed IRC is only good for text chat. That's why I'd like to explore something more modern like XMPP or matrix. > NextCloud - In my experience it has been fantastic for document storage, > collaboration, chat, project management, and video calls. I do recommend > setting up a TURN server at the start > (https://help.nextcloud.com/t/howto-setup-nextcloud-talk-with-turn-server/30794). > Please let me know if I can help in any way. > > Jitsi - I think this group has a good handle on the pros/cons. Please let me > know if I can help to leverage Jitsi. > > BigBlueButton - Fantastically underrated for video calls and chat. Can be > setup on a private server, but it isn't necessary, the free platform > supported by Greenlight works great! I highly recommend at least trying it > out, and would be happy to setup a test run for the group if anyone is > interested. BigBlueButton also has an interesting history in Canada > (https://bigbluebutton.org/open-source-project/about/). I may have some > special experience to bring > (https://freebsdfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/ConferenceReports.pdf). This does sound interesting if it is worth the effort to switch away from jitsi. > Finally, I agree with what others have recommended: attempting an in-person > meeting! I would love to get to know everyone in-person. I'm physically out of touch with OCLUG since mid-2015, so I'd be eager to try. The OCLUG spin-off group L3GO (Low Level Linux Group of Ottawa) has been meeting monthly in person whenever possible, 2nd Tuesday, 18:30, Red Pepper 246 Queen. > Sincerely, > Katie > > > From: Rick Leir > Sent: 27 April 2022 13:04 > To: linux@linux-ottawa.org > Subject: Re: [linux] open source chat > > Maybe you talked of this already: there is gitter.im which is an open source > instant messaging and chat room for users of gitlab. I have not used it. > > As someone else said, chat and messaging are poor tools for annual meetings. > We would do better to meet outdoors and take a chance with the weather. I > have an umbrella but will probably not need to use it. > Cheers -- Rick slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa Board meeting announcement and proposed agenda
On 2022-04-24 17:53, James wrote: > I confused this with the monthly meetings. > > What is this for? Board meeting. Come to think of it, there is/was a board mailing list... > Apr. 24, 2022 13:46:39 James : > > April was on jitsi. > > I'll try to figure out slack when needed. > > > > Apr. 23, 2022 07:50:42 Richard Guy Briggs : > > > >> On 2022-04-22 21:19, James wrote: > >>> What is the link to the meeting? > >>> > >>> https://six.linux-ottawa.org/LinuxOttawa20220505 ? > >> > >> I wish.?? No, it was announced it is on slack. > >> > >> I can understand the desire to have it on a text medium to have a > >> transcript produced automatically but don't understand the switch away > >> from open fora. > >> > >>> Apr. 21, 2022 09:48:31 J C Nash : > >>>> Agenda for Linux Ottawa Board meeting 2022-4-25 19:00 > >>>> > >>>> Virtual meeting open to Linux-Ottawa list members. If you have items > >>>> you want added to the agenda, please send to nashjc _at_ ncf.ca or > >>>> tug.williams _at_ gmail.com. > >>>> > >>>> Meeting will be on oclug.slack.com. (And, yes, we prefer fully open > >>>> source solution -- see "volunteers" below!) > >>>> > >>>> - Quorum (3) needed of Board members as per AGM > >>>> ?? Tug Williams > >>>> ?? Ian Gorman > >>>> ?? John Nash > >>>> ?? Richard Guy Briggs > >>>> > >>>> - Minutes of previous Board mtg > >>>> - Status of bank account > >>>> - Formalities > >>>> ?? - Thanks to retiring Board members > >>>> ?? - Who has the corporate documents? > >>>> ?? - Have we a set of usernames, passwords etc. for our website > >>>> functions? > >>>> ?? - Updating of documents (need for formal assignment of officers) > >>>> ?? - need to record AGM (JN is preparing a draft) > >>>> - Current bank signing officers are Scott Murphy, John > >>>> Nash and > >>>> Ian Gorman. Should we add to the list? > >>>> > >>>> - Need for volunteers to take on some specific tasks. Do we want to be > >>>> more focused in asking people to do something limited i.e., they can > >>>> agree to just a particular task. However, it would be good to have > >>>> at least 2 per task, as we have recent experience when someone > >>>> says they will do something then disappears. > >>>> - What can/will Board members undertake? Several of us > >>>> already > >>>> have noted constraints on time/capability. > >>>> - We are allowed to appoint other Board members if > >>>> there are > >>>> willing helpers. > >>>> - keeper(s) of essential documents and information > >>>> ?? - backup and maintenance of website (except mailing list) > >>>> - mailing list maintenance. This may or may not include > >>>> upgrade that we have wanted for some time. > >>>> ???????? - keeping of records of "corporation" > >>>> - wiki maintenance (prodding for presentation > >>>> documents?) > >>>> - setting up virtual meetings (Board and general) > >>>> - possible arrangement of in-person meetings > >>>> > >>>> - Future of Linux Ottawa > >>>> ?? - Key functions: mailing list and meetings > >>>> ?? - In-person meetings and resources (mostly human) to set up > >>>> and run, and to find suitable venue > >>>> > >>>> - Talk/discussion for May 5 > >>>> ?? - Suggested topic: "Evolution of volunteer groups like Linux > >>>> Ottawa > >>>> ?? and the role of technology" > >>>> - welcome other offers for May and for the future! > >> > >> ?? slainte mhath, RGB slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa Board meeting announcement and proposed agenda
On 2022-04-22 21:19, James wrote: > What is the link to the meeting? > > https://six.linux-ottawa.org/LinuxOttawa20220505 ? I wish. No, it was announced it is on slack. I can understand the desire to have it on a text medium to have a transcript produced automatically but don't understand the switch away from open fora. > Apr. 21, 2022 09:48:31 J C Nash : > > Agenda for Linux Ottawa Board meeting 2022-4-25 19:00 > > > > Virtual meeting open to Linux-Ottawa list members. If you have items > > you want added to the agenda, please send to nashjc _at_ ncf.ca or > > tug.williams _at_ gmail.com. > > > > Meeting will be on oclug.slack.com. (And, yes, we prefer fully open > > source solution -- see "volunteers" below!) > > > > - Quorum (3) needed of Board members as per AGM > > ?? Tug Williams > > ?? Ian Gorman > > ?? John Nash > > ?? Richard Guy Briggs > > > > - Minutes of previous Board mtg > > - Status of bank account > > - Formalities > > ?? - Thanks to retiring Board members > > ?? - Who has the corporate documents? > > ?? - Have we a set of usernames, passwords etc. for our website > > functions? > > ?? - Updating of documents (need for formal assignment of officers) > > ?? - need to record AGM (JN is preparing a draft) > > - Current bank signing officers are Scott Murphy, John > > Nash and > > Ian Gorman. Should we add to the list? > > > > - Need for volunteers to take on some specific tasks. Do we want to be > > more focused in asking people to do something limited i.e., they can > > agree to just a particular task. However, it would be good to have > > at least 2 per task, as we have recent experience when someone > > says they will do something then disappears. > > - What can/will Board members undertake? Several of us > > already > > have noted constraints on time/capability. > > - We are allowed to appoint other Board members if there > > are > > willing helpers. > > - keeper(s) of essential documents and information > > ?? - backup and maintenance of website (except mailing list) > > - mailing list maintenance. This may or may not include > > upgrade that we have wanted for some time. > > - keeping of records of "corporation" > > - wiki maintenance (prodding for presentation documents?) > > - setting up virtual meetings (Board and general) > > - possible arrangement of in-person meetings > > > > - Future of Linux Ottawa > > ?? - Key functions: mailing list and meetings > > ?? - In-person meetings and resources (mostly human) to set up > > and run, and to find suitable venue > > > > - Talk/discussion for May 5 > > ?? - Suggested topic: "Evolution of volunteer groups like Linux Ottawa > > ?? and the role of technology" > > - welcome other offers for May and for the future! slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Linux-Ottawa Board meeting announcement and proposed agenda
On 2022-04-21 09:48, J C Nash wrote: > Agenda for Linux Ottawa Board meeting 2022-4-25 19:00 > > Virtual meeting open to Linux-Ottawa list members. If you have items > you want added to the agenda, please send to nashjc _at_ ncf.ca or > tug.williams _at_ gmail.com. > > Meeting will be on oclug.slack.com. (And, yes, we prefer fully open > source solution -- see "volunteers" below!) It appears we last used that two years ago. Why are we regressing from jitsi to a proprietary walled garden? Is there any reason we cannot use jitsi or irc://irc.oftc.net/#oclug-board or irc://irc.oftc.net/#oclug ? The rest of the agenda looks reasonable... preventing bus errors good... > - Quorum (3) needed of Board members as per AGM > Tug Williams > Ian Gorman > John Nash > Richard Guy Briggs > > - Minutes of previous Board mtg > - Status of bank account > - Formalities > - Thanks to retiring Board members > - Who has the corporate documents? > - Have we a set of usernames, passwords etc. for our website functions? > - Updating of documents (need for formal assignment of officers) > - need to record AGM (JN is preparing a draft) > - Current bank signing officers are Scott Murphy, John Nash and > Ian Gorman. Should we add to the list? > > - Need for volunteers to take on some specific tasks. Do we want to be > more focused in asking people to do something limited i.e., they can > agree to just a particular task. However, it would be good to have > at least 2 per task, as we have recent experience when someone > says they will do something then disappears. > - What can/will Board members undertake? Several of us already > have noted constraints on time/capability. > - We are allowed to appoint other Board members if there are > willing helpers. > - keeper(s) of essential documents and information > - backup and maintenance of website (except mailing list) > - mailing list maintenance. This may or may not include > upgrade that we have wanted for some time. > - keeping of records of "corporation" > - wiki maintenance (prodding for presentation documents?) > - setting up virtual meetings (Board and general) > - possible arrangement of in-person meetings > > - Future of Linux Ottawa > - Key functions: mailing list and meetings > - In-person meetings and resources (mostly human) to set up > and run, and to find suitable venue > > - Talk/discussion for May 5 > - Suggested topic: "Evolution of volunteer groups like Linux Ottawa > and the role of technology" > - welcome other offers for May and for the future! slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] March 2022 Meeting - 2022-03-03 @ 19:00
On 2022-02-26 22:08, scott.mur...@arrow-eye.com wrote: > When: Thursday, March 3, 2022 > Time: 19:00 > Where: jitsi video conference > > NOTE: Next month (April) is the Annual AGM. If you want to run for a seat on > the board, send an email to elections linux-ottawa.org and we will add > your name to the slate. You can also be nominated on the night of the > election (including self-nomination). > > We only have one talk scheduled for tonight: Scott Murphy will be giving a > talk on converting a Chrome Book to run a full Linux OS. This will not fill > the evening, so bring questions or some ideas for future talks. > > This month's code: LinuxOttawa20220203 LinuxOttawa20220303 ? > Meeting Details: > > The meeting URL will now be a fixed URL, > https://six.linux-ottawa.org/ and should be up for connection > by 18:30 on meeting nights and will vanish shortly after the meeting has > concluded. You will be joining as anonymous guests, so you will not have a > username or password. If it asks for a username and password, it has not been > started yet. I will be attempting to have it running by 18:45. It may be > online earlier, but it should be online by then. > > Rules/Procedures/Common-Sense: > > Video and audio will be disabled when you join. In order to make sure the > experience is a reasonable one for all involved, the presenter will share > their screen-window-whatever they are comfortable with and you will see it > quite clearly. Rather than unmute, pressing your space bar will unmute your > microphone while pressed, so you can try that to ask questions. There is also > the chat window, which no longer appears to obscure the rest of the session > (maybe on small monitors?) Feel free to post questions and as opportunity > presents itself and the presenter notices, they will get answered. After the > presentation is completed, feel free to unmute and have a normal voice/video > Q > slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] photo download
On 2022-01-08 15:34, Alex Pilon wrote: > > On 2022-01-08 2:48 p.m., Callie Jones wrote: > > > I run MInt 20. Is there a way to download camera photos?? I looked at > > > the Mint Forum site but found nothing more recent than 2017.? At one > > > time I ran both Windows and Linux and had to transfer photos with > > > Windows because the camera was compatible only with Windows or Mac. > > Unless there's something new to support since then or there's something > particular to Mint that's broken, it should just work if you install one > of the packages named similarly to these: > > - gphoto2 > - gvfs-gphoto2 > - gvfs-mtp > > You should be able to just start gphoto2. I don't see a .desktop file in > my distro, so it may not have an entry in whatever menu you're using > either. If you installed one of the gvfs packages, your file browser > should just pick things up automatically unless your distro does > something different. Instead of figuring out how to kill your file > browser and any gvfs user-daemons over email, I'd just log out and back > in. I use gphoto2 regularly on the command line. It also has library packages that can be used by other programs. "gphoto2 -L" will give you a listing in a terminal. You may need to specifiy which device if it finds more than one, using --port, --camera or --usbid after identifying it with --auto-detect. Once you have gotten there you can download all into the current directory with "gphoto2 -P" or specify a range of images you want with "gphoto2 -p-" (replacing "start" and "end" with the image numbers identified in the -L command above). > That said, I haven't used these in a few years, so the answer above may > not be perfect. > > On Sat 2022-01-08 15:10:56 -0500, Shawn H Corey wrote: > > Usually I just plug the camera into a USB port and Linux treats it as > > another drive. > > The kernel itself doesn't since it doesn't convert PTP or MTP USB > endpoints as block devices or filesystems, but if you run a desktop > environment as I suspect you do, the already installed gvfs-mtp or > gvfs-gphoto2 do make a FUSE filesystem. Right. Depending on your distro, it may show up as something like /run/media/$userid/$devicename This all assumes you are plugging your camera in via USB. You could also pull the card from your camera and either stick it directly into your computer via a card slot (all 4 laptops here have SD slots that can be used with microSD with an adaptor) or via a USB media card adaptor something like this where it will show up as a regular USB hard drive: https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=11_171_id=117241 The easiest way is likely to have the gvfs extensions installed so that the camera will simply show up in your favourite file browser automounted when you plug in the camera with a USB cable. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Update on this Linux-Ottawa email list and OCLUG activities
On 2021-11-22 21:02, Brett Delmage wrote: > OCLUG is moving our website, email, and list servers to a new Debian 11 VPS > in the OVH (Montreal) datacentre starting this week! We're taking advantage > of the Black Friday sale to save OCLUG money on hosting costs. ... > As part of this move we're upgrading the current email list software -which > does not work with modern email standards- to the latest version of Mailman > 3 which does. ... Is the l3go list also included in these upgrades? > We're happy to be at this stage of progress after some frustrating and > unexpected delays for everyone. *Thank you* for your patience and > participation as a Linux-Ottawa member. A big Thank You to all involved! ... > Brett Delmage > for the OCLUG board of directors slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Restoring this list's history: Do you have OCLUG list messages saved?
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Re: Desktop settings (was Re: [linux] CentOS alternatives: Devuan)
On 21/07/15, Brett Delmage wrote: > On Thu, 15 Jul 2021, Dianne Skoll wrote: > > > On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:54:22 -0400 > > Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > > > > > The two things I must have are "focus follows mouse" > > > > Preach! Click-to-focus is an abomination! > > I do use a window manager. > > But 99% of the time I want my window full-screen (with or without a > title bar) because that's what I am focussing on and I want to see as > much as possible of it. > > Alt-tab to change focus works for me. Aye! > Or shift-tab to change terminal screens. > > What's a "mouse"? :-) It's this tiny red thing between the "g", "h" and "b" keys. ;-) slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: Desktop settings (was Re: [linux] CentOS alternatives: Devuan)
On 21/07/15, Dianne Skoll wrote: > On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:54:22 -0400 > Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > > > The two things I must have are "focus follows mouse" > > Preach! Click-to-focus is an abomination! :-B > > and a control key where the caps-lock key is frequently found to the > > left of the "a". > > I think you can do that with xmodmap (if you're running X11, of course) > and that should be independent of the desktop environment. I've used a combination of xmodmap and WM options, but I'd really like an option to do it at the tty console level... > Dianne. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] CentOS alternatives: Devuan
On 21/07/15, Rick Leir wrote: > On July 15, 2021 9:15:45 a.m. EDT, Richard Guy Briggs > wrote: > > and fedora on $work laptop and am > >satisfied running it also on the laptops of the other three family > >members. > > I find Fedora interesting because I learn about some of the best new ideas > via my Fedora server. > > For a laptop there are several window managers available (Cinnamon etc.) and > I did not like the standard desktop config when I tried it a while ago. What > desktop do you prefer to run on laptops? I've been using the lxde (or xfce4) desktop installs for fedora (well, all my GUIs including Debian). I don't like Gnome or KDE. The two things I must have are "focus follows mouse" and a control key where the caps-lock key is frequently found to the left of the "a". They have been somewhat hard to find at times, but I've managed. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] CentOS alternatives: Devuan
On 21/07/14, Ian! D. Allen wrote: > On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 03:01:25PM -0400, Dianne Skoll wrote: > > There is a live-patching facility. I believe Canonical makes it > > available to paying customers. > > And to non-paying customers, but only for three machines: > > https://ubuntu.com/security/livepatch > > "Free for personal use: All you need is an Ubuntu One account. Free for 3 > machines." Well, so does SuSE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYRlTISvjww > | Ian! D. Allen, BA, MMath - idal...@idallen.ca - Ottawa, Ontario, Canada slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: Database choice (Re: [linux] CentOS alternatives: Devuan)
On 21/07/14, Dianne Skoll wrote: > On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 13:56:33 -0400 > fz wrote: > > Database: maria is super solid and feature packed. > > Sure, if you don't care about data validation or standards-conformance. > I'd recommend PostgreSQL over MySql/MariaDB any day of the week. I'm not an active database developer or user but on this one I have a very strong opinion in favour of postgres. > > However, if you are really really running some mission critical > > application, that someone else is paying real money for, or you > > require additional advanced features, then you may want/have to pay > > $$$ for Oracle database. > > Yikes, Oracle... ugh... another reason to use PostgreSQL. Totally agree. > Dianne. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] CentOS alternatives: Devuan
On 21/07/14, fz wrote: > I'm not sure what you think you're getting with the listed distros that > you wouldn't get with either Debian or Devuan. In terms of nearly zero > (five-nines/9) uptime, they are all equivalent, given that they are > configured similarly. Also, I barely see the benefits of using > opensource if you're using Redhat (IBM) or derivatives, or Oracle, two > of the worst serial offenders of vendor lock-in. IBM invented it. (side > note: I rebooted one of my laptops, the browser was a bit sluggish. It > had been up for 101 days, that one has Ubuntu20 on it. As much as I've > moved away from Ubuntu, that's a decent amount of uptime without any > issues, ie. quite reliable, imo. Also, I have several servers in the > cloud running ubuntu20 and their uptime is comparable. I only reboot for > convenience while testing.) I used to run Ubuntu on multiple laptops and desktops. I won't touch it anymore since they managed to break things on two reasonably standard desktop hardware a decade ago where Debian didn't even blink, and, I don't trust Shuttleworth. ... > Oracle? look what they did to ... everything they touch. Rocky V1. You > want V1 for a production datacentre? Ubuntu? A fatter slower version of > Debian. Can't see any advantage whatsoever to Ubuntu. Redhat is IBM. RedHat is still independent of IBM. I'll let you know when that changes since I actually work there. The CentOS hot mess was an internal job that started in 2014 long before IBM had any influence. I run RHEL on $work workstation, and fedora on $work laptop and am satisfied running it also on the laptops of the other three family members. > They already ruined it with proprietary ways of doing everything. They haven't touched it. I agree IBM has a track record of ruining many things, but so far they seem to have managed to keep their hands off this one. > Imo, Debian is your worst case scenario. Which is not too bad. It is > arguably THE root distro, it is known for stability and has all userland > software. I'm still going to say if you're not straying much from the > LEMP stack, then Devuan is your best choice. I'm still on Debian but am seriously considering moving to Devuan due to systemd. I run stable on personal servers and testing on desktop. > because: > > least amount of moving parts ... compare output of ps aux to any other > distro > > no vendor lock-in... it's Debian, same userland, with a lighter init system > > stability: its Debian. > > > Interested to hear any counterarguments. Usually, your/my choices has to > do with what you already know ( and therefore) like, and I'm completely > guilty of this,and what will take the least amount of your effort to get > off the ground. So I'm guessing you'll go with . hmmm Rocky. :-) There are a number of options for RHEL for community and development now, but if none of those scenarios fits, then Rocky. > On 2021-07-14 12:25 p.m., Alan McKay wrote: > > Just to circle back - not sure if any of those are alternatives to > > CentOS that would be considered Enterprise Grade > > > > What would I choose for a zero-downtime production datacenter and why? > > > > And why is CentOS stream no longer Enterprise Grade? > > > > I'll leave those questions floating for a bit before I provide my own > > answers. > > > > For me the alternatives are : > > - RHEL > > - Oracle > > - Rocky > > - Alma (I think I have that right) > > - Ubuntu > > > > and I think that's it slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] has canada computers simply gone away?
On 2021-07-04 15:00, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > just spent the last while trying to call three of its local stores, > and not an answer from any of them. have they simply closed up? gone > bankrupt? I just bought RAM for two laptops yesterday afternoon on Bank at Laurier, so doesn't look like it to me... > rday slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Discussion item: choosing an appropriate laptop
On 2021-06-14 10:11, J C Nash wrote: > The Thinkpads have been popular for Linux users for a while. Am I wrong in > finding Thinkpad prices greater than twice as high as the examples I gave for > similar > specs. unless I choose refurbished machines? I accept that specs. can often > mislead when it comes to machine "balance" and reliability. One aspect of > my decision making is that I generally prefer a desktop setup for my "main" > use, and am looking for a travel machine. Hence I labelled this thread as > "Discussion". There's unlikely to be a perfect answer, and I appreciate > comments > that force careful thinking. I hadn't looked at the prices recently, but what I remembered was in the ballpark of what you had quoted below. You might also check The Trailing Edge refurbs: https://www.tte.ca/collections/laptops-refurbished https://www.tte.ca/collections/laptops-new-open-box > JN > > On 2021-06-14 9:59 a.m., Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > > On 2021-06-14 09:39, J C Nash wrote: > >> With possible opening up of travel and having laptops that are vintage > >> 2014 and 2015, > >> we're thinking of a new one for road trips. > >> > >> Our considerations: > >> > >> - 2 people sharing for email > >> - need for plenty of storage for photos and family history information, > >> plus > >> some technical projects > >> - reasonably fast > >> - robust > >> - we find 14" screen about right balance between visibility and portability > >> > >> Our experience: > >> > >> - our 2 Asus Zenbooks (I7, >8GB RAM, 512GB SSD) are quite nice, but > >> -- the 3800 UHD screen gives lots of woes with apps that reset the > >>resolution. Zoom really messes things about on exit. > >> -- both have had hinge failure. Spent $200 to fix one, but have > >>made a frame for the other and velcroed it so hinge fixed. > >> -- batteries likely near end of useful life, and on the road > >>you sometimes need a battery > >> > >> - our 2010 Asus UL30A still has nicely balanced features, though now > >> too slow and charging circuit beginning to be a nuisance. But a > >> 1TB spinning disk has proved exceptionally nice for road trips, since > >> it can store a pretty well complete set of family photos etc. > >> > >> Keeping watch on offerings, the HP machines > >> https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=710_1925_1912_1909_id=150936 > >> $699 i5 1920 > >> https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=710_1925_1912_1909_id=182955 > >> $699 Ryzen 5 1366 > >> https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=710_1925_1912_1909_id=182956 > >> $849 Ryzen 7 1920 > >> > >> seem interesting. Had to look at specs to see that the cheaper Ryzen is > >> only 1366 resolution. > > > > I'm a huge fan of the commercial line of Thinkpads since 2001, in a 14" > > you would be looking at the T series or the X series. They have > > recently started offering Ryzen processors too. They are robust and > > support Linux reasonably well. They are the preference for RH's kernel > > and Linux developers. > > > >> Does anyone have opinions on these? Have not had a hands-on look, which > >> will be important to making > >> sure keyboard not "strange". Also to try to gauge whether hinge and rest > >> of physical structure robust > >> enough. However, they seem to offer reasonable bang for the buck. We're > >> not stuck on HP, or Asus, or ... > >> Mainly interested in reliable and long-term workhorse that we are > >> comfortable using. > >> > >> JN > > > > slainte mhath, RGB slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Discussion item: choosing an appropriate laptop
On 2021-06-14 09:39, J C Nash wrote: > With possible opening up of travel and having laptops that are vintage 2014 > and 2015, > we're thinking of a new one for road trips. > > Our considerations: > > - 2 people sharing for email > - need for plenty of storage for photos and family history information, plus > some technical projects > - reasonably fast > - robust > - we find 14" screen about right balance between visibility and portability > > Our experience: > > - our 2 Asus Zenbooks (I7, >8GB RAM, 512GB SSD) are quite nice, but > -- the 3800 UHD screen gives lots of woes with apps that reset the >resolution. Zoom really messes things about on exit. > -- both have had hinge failure. Spent $200 to fix one, but have >made a frame for the other and velcroed it so hinge fixed. > -- batteries likely near end of useful life, and on the road >you sometimes need a battery > > - our 2010 Asus UL30A still has nicely balanced features, though now > too slow and charging circuit beginning to be a nuisance. But a > 1TB spinning disk has proved exceptionally nice for road trips, since > it can store a pretty well complete set of family photos etc. > > Keeping watch on offerings, the HP machines > https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=710_1925_1912_1909_id=150936 > $699 i5 1920 > https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=710_1925_1912_1909_id=182955 > $699 Ryzen 5 1366 > https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=710_1925_1912_1909_id=182956 > $849 Ryzen 7 1920 > > seem interesting. Had to look at specs to see that the cheaper Ryzen is only > 1366 resolution. I'm a huge fan of the commercial line of Thinkpads since 2001, in a 14" you would be looking at the T series or the X series. They have recently started offering Ryzen processors too. They are robust and support Linux reasonably well. They are the preference for RH's kernel and Linux developers. > Does anyone have opinions on these? Have not had a hands-on look, which will > be important to making > sure keyboard not "strange". Also to try to gauge whether hinge and rest of > physical structure robust > enough. However, they seem to offer reasonable bang for the buck. We're not > stuck on HP, or Asus, or ... > Mainly interested in reliable and long-term workhorse that we are comfortable > using. > > JN slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] possible race condition in makefile with multiple dependencies?
On 2021-06-03 10:27, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Thu, 3 Jun 2021, Dianne Skoll wrote: > > > On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 10:19:22 -0400 > > "Michael P. Soulier" wrote: > > > > > On 2021-06-03 10:09 a.m., Dianne Skoll wrote: > > > > See the -j option > > > > > Seems like a race condition waiting to happen. > > > > Shouldn't be. My understanding (which may be wrong) is that make > > calculates the dependency graph first, not in parallel. Then it > > executes as many parallel tasks as the -j option asks for, or that > > make sense... whichever is smaller. Since the dependency graph is a > > DAG, make should, in theory, be smart enough to see that two > > dependencies depend on the same node and run only one job to build > > the depended-upon node. > > > > I routinely use "make -j `nproc`" and have never run into any > > issues. > > this was my understanding as well, i just wanted to hear some > confirmation from someone else. I routinely use make -j 8 on an 8-core machine to build the linux kernel. I only ran into problems when I tried to include the targets "modules_install" and "install" in the same multithreaded make command. It even works over NFS as long as the two clocks are reasonably close. > rday slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: Wired vs wireless (was Re: [linux] Problems hearing speakers during tonight's jitsi meeting)
On 2021-04-02 13:01, Dianne Skoll wrote: > On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 12:18:22 -0400 (EDT) > Brett Delmage wrote: > > I wired the computers in the house for 10base2 25? years ago, from > > basement to attic. Of course it's been upgraded to gigbit CAT6 since > > then. > > Yeah, I have gigabit CAT6 also, though 100Mb/s would have > been more than enough for traffic to the Internet. We just bought this house 14 years ago so I had it wired with cat5 basement to attic and there are GigE switches on both ends. > > Now if I could only get a phone with an ethernet jack. > > I wonder if it would support a USB Ethernet dongle with an OTG cable? > I know Android supports keyboards, mice, headsets, etc. but I wonder > if they've compiled in support for Ethernet? That would be interesting > to try. I've wondered this more than once myself, but don't use mobile devices to have that experience or interest. One of my kids whose music teacher was glued to a SIM-dependant service that could still use IP for bulk data complained about reliability but wouldn't accept that wireless was the problem and switch to a wired service. > > Sometimes my phone's network operation goes strange, making me > > wonder if someone isn't trying one of the wifi network attacks on > > me. Maybe I shouldn't name my wifi SSID "RCMP surveillance van" or > > "CSEC Mobile 22A, etc.? > > Ahaha, nice. I had a WNDR3800 refurb that had some intermittent hardware issues to the thing would need a hard reboot a couple of times a week to reset the radios. The second identical new unit is behaving much better. :-) > I use a 32-character long randomly-generated password as my WPA2 shared > secret, so I'm not worried about someone getting onto the network, but > I suppose flooding/DoSing the AP is always possible. Mine isn't quite as long, but I'm similarly not concerned about about someone getting in, but have had some DoS issues... I can see at least a couple dozen neighbouring APs here, including occasionally the pub facing us across the river. ;-) > Dianne. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Problems hearing speakers during tonight's jitsi meeting
On 2021-04-02 09:43, Dianne Skoll wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 13:38:08 + (UTC)
> James wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > People seemed to drop out a lot and come back so maybe my wifi sucked.
>
> Ah, yeah, wifi is the enemy of videoconferencing. My living-room computer
> has decent wifi, but for best results, I prefer to use my office computer,
> which has a wired connection to the DSL router.
It is. When the first lockdown descended upon us, I had the other three
members of the house start using wired ethernet on their fedora laptops
as a rule instead of mobile devices on wifi so that potentially 4 people
doing videoconferences at the same time would not result in endless
complaints to the local IT department (me).
> Dianne.
slainte mhath, RGB
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Re: [linux] CentOS Stream (was: IPv6)
On 2021-02-01 13:13, Alan McKay wrote: > On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 12:49 PM Peter Sj??berg > wrote: > > I'm going with centos8 (or stream or something like that) > > This may not matter for home use but worth of a discussion in any case. > > In case anyone missed the smoke-and-mirrors on that one CentOS stream > takes the "ent" out of "CentOS" > > "ent" used to stand for "enterprise grade", but that is no longer the > case with stream. > > The reason it used to be enterprise grade is because it was downstream > from RHEL, and RHEL undergoes a great deal of QA performed by RH. > > Stream is now UPSTREAM from RHEL - which is a bit crazy. This is the > other shoe dropping from the RH official collaboration with CentOS a > few years ago. > > Anyone who is currently using CentOS in a production environment needs > to have a serious look at changing distros. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/01/centos-is-gone-but-rhel-is-now-free-for-up-to-16-production-servers/ Or you can use Rocky or Lenix. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] time to upgrade from 2008 technology, need OBS Studio
ever get to "unmute" (I could hear a tiny bit of audio really softly.) - Radeon audio unavailable since monitors are really dumb - so I'm using a variety of external usb audio devices (Alesis io|2, Swissonic USB Studio D, Behringer UFO202 PCM2902) Monitors: two Monoprice 27" IPS single-resolution 2540x1440 DVI-only (1st turned 90 degrees document orientation) I do some video work on it, but it is mostly for photo editing. $ glmark2 === glmark2 2020.04 === OpenGL Information GL_VENDOR: X.Org GL_RENDERER: AMD CEDAR (DRM 2.50.0 / 5.8.0-3-amd64, LLVM 11.0.0) GL_VERSION:3.1 Mesa 20.2.4 === [build] use-vbo=false: FPS: 668 FrameTime: 1.497 ms [build] use-vbo=true: FPS: 634 FrameTime: 1.577 ms [texture] texture-filter=nearest: FPS: 566 FrameTime: 1.767 ms [texture] texture-filter=linear: FPS: 561 FrameTime: 1.783 ms [texture] texture-filter=mipmap: FPS: 588 FrameTime: 1.701 ms [shading] shading=gouraud: FPS: 529 FrameTime: 1.890 ms [shading] shading=blinn-phong-inf: FPS: 529 FrameTime: 1.890 ms [shading] shading=phong: FPS: 523 FrameTime: 1.912 ms [shading] shading=cel: FPS: 518 FrameTime: 1.931 ms [bump] bump-render=high-poly: FPS: 398 FrameTime: 2.513 ms [bump] bump-render=normals: FPS: 655 FrameTime: 1.527 ms [bump] bump-render=height: FPS: 644 FrameTime: 1.553 ms [effect2d] kernel=0,1,0;1,-4,1;0,1,0;: FPS: 517 FrameTime: 1.934 ms [effect2d] kernel=1,1,1,1,1;1,1,1,1,1;1,1,1,1,1;: FPS: 374 FrameTime: 2.674 ms [pulsar] light=false:quads=5:texture=false: FPS: 612 FrameTime: 1.634 ms [desktop] blur-radius=5:effect=blur:passes=1:separable=true:windows=4: FPS: 239 FrameTime: 4.184 ms [desktop] effect=shadow:windows=4: FPS: 316 FrameTime: 3.165 ms [buffer] columns=200:interleave=false:update-dispersion=0.9:update-fraction=0.5:update-method=map: FPS: 394 FrameTime: 2.538 ms [buffer] columns=200:interleave=false:update-dispersion=0.9:update-fraction=0.5:update-method=subdata: FPS: 407 FrameTime: 2.457 ms [buffer] columns=200:interleave=true:update-dispersion=0.9:update-fraction=0.5:update-method=map: FPS: 410 FrameTime: 2.439 ms [ideas] speed=duration: FPS: 565 FrameTime: 1.770 ms [jellyfish] : FPS: 312 FrameTime: 3.205 ms [terrain] : FPS: 45 FrameTime: 22.222 ms [shadow] : FPS: 242 FrameTime: 4.132 ms [refract] : FPS: 53 FrameTime: 18.868 ms [conditionals] fragment-steps=0:vertex-steps=0: FPS: 682 FrameTime: 1.466 ms [conditionals] fragment-steps=5:vertex-steps=0: FPS: 621 FrameTime: 1.610 ms [conditionals] fragment-steps=0:vertex-steps=5: FPS: 717 FrameTime: 1.395 ms [function] fragment-complexity=low:fragment-steps=5: FPS: 741 FrameTime: 1.350 ms [function] fragment-complexity=medium:fragment-steps=5: FPS: 714 FrameTime: 1.401 ms [loop] fragment-loop=false:fragment-steps=5:vertex-steps=5: FPS: 543 FrameTime: 1.842 ms [loop] fragment-steps=5:fragment-uniform=false:vertex-steps=5: FPS: 1048 FrameTime: 0.954 ms [loop] fragment-steps=5:fragment-uniform=true:vertex-steps=5: FPS: 498 FrameTime: 2.008 ms === glmark2 Score: 511 === > -- > | Ian! D. Allen, BA, MMath - idal...@idallen.ca - Ottawa, Ontario, Canada > | Home: www.idallen.com Contact Improvisation Dance: www.contactimprov.ca > | Former college professor (Free/Libre GNU+Linux) at: teaching.idallen.com > | Defend digital freedom: http://eff.org/ and have fun: http://fools.ca/ slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] anywhere in town to get solar chargers with USB ports
On 2020-11-13 08:23, Alan McKay wrote:
> I'd look at one of the places like total battery.
>
> Get an Anker if you can ... Something like this
>
> https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B075FR89CX
Looking ahead a number of years to retirement, I'm looking at doing a
7000km bicycle trip through south Asia (Bangladesh/Tibet/Nepal/India)
and I'm going to need to solve this problem. I recently met a couple
through warmshowers.org (network of touring cyclists) who have been on
the road 10 years (and had two kids on the road, https://www.ylia.ch/)
and they swear by these dynohubs that can charge cell phones in about an
hour:
https://www.spinup.life/
I may need to supplement with solar since I may be immobile at times...
> I wouldn't waste my time with those really small handheld ones
>
> Also depending on what you're doing you might be better off with power
> banks that you charge in advance before you go. Again I'd go with
> Anker
>
> https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07S829LBX
>
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Re: [linux] anywhere in town to get solar chargers with USB ports
On 2020-11-13 05:12, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>
> will be off the grid later this month for a few days and want to be
> able to charge some small USB devices ... everything at best buy is
> "available online" only, is there anywhere in town that actually has
> small solar chargers on the shelves?
You might try Alexander/Dixon at 145 Spruce or Total Battery
(Bently/Lancaster?). Or Princess Auto... The Source?
> rday
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Re: [linux] references from the OpenSTV talk
On 2020-11-05 21:11, Scott Murphy wrote:
> For more information see
>
> http://www.fairvote.org/
> http://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote
> https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/how-should-i-run-my-community-elections
> http://www.dia.govt.nz/diawebsite.NSF/Files/meekm/%24file/meekm.pdf
> https://youtu.be/yhO6jfHPFQU
> https://github.com/conservancy/voting
>
> The last link is the software I was planning on demoing, but it requires old
> PHP, 4 probably and I had 7 installed. Maybe a short demo in the future, or a
> short video showing the vote process, the processing, and the results.
And for completeness, here is the software Rusty worked on in 2001 for
the Austrailan Capital Territory:
https://www.elections.act.gov.au/elections_and_voting/electronic_voting_and_counting
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Re: [linux] Bash idiocy
On 2020-10-02 15:07, Dianne Skoll wrote: > Hi all, > > Hoo boy. If your shell is Bash, try the following two commands: > > cat /dev/tcp/127.0.0.1/22 > > cat < /dev/tcp/127.0.0.1/22 > > If that is not madness, I don't know what is. :( > > Do "man bash" and search in the man page for "/dev/tcp" Oh yeah, that's a hole in security policy that we've been trying to devise audit rules for years to track... > Regards, > > Dianne. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] meeting info, just in case
On 2020-10-01 18:50, Bruce Davis wrote: > If I recall correctly, the password is the date, mmdd And the userid? > Bruce Davis > tales...@gmail.com > > > On Oct 1, 2020, at 6:48 PM, jean-Francois Messier wrote: > > Does anyone has this password ? Or am I the only one who's clueless ? > > > > On 2020-10-01 6:33 p.m., Scott Murphy wrote: > >> In case you didn’t read the post, here is the link for tonight. > >> > >> https://six.linux-ottawa.org/LinuxOttawa20201001 slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] meeting info, just in case
On 2020-10-01 18:33, Scott Murphy wrote: > In case you didn’t read the post, here is the link for tonight. > https://six.linux-ottawa.org/LinuxOttawa20201001 I wasn't expecting a user/password prompt... slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Segregating VPN traffic
On 2020-07-06 18:06, Dmitriy Korovkin wrote: > Hi Aaron, > I would add, what VPN software does your employer use? From what I know, > there should not be a serious trouble separating work and personal traffic. Can you just route your workstation traffic through the vpn and the rest of your home network can go normally? > Regards, > /Dmitriy > > On Mon, 6 Jul, 2020 at 6:03 PM, James Lockie wrote: > >What's the router software. > > > >On July 6, 2020 17:58:36 Aaron Wilcox wrote: > > > >>I've been using Remmina to log into my work computer via RDP, but > >>they've decommissioned the old Windows SBS 2011 server and now we will > >>have to use their VPN to access their network. They have said that this > >>will result in all of my home computer's internet traffic being routed > >>through their network, as long as I'm connected to their VPN. > >> > >>Is there a way to segregate the work-related VPN traffic from my > >>personal traffic (i.e.: have work-related traffic go through the VPN > >>connection, and all other traffic go through a connection to my home > >>ISP)? Could this be done by using a virtual system to connect to the > >>VPN, while leaving the host connected to my home ISP? > >> > >>-- > >> > >>Aaron Wilcox > >>e: aaron.s.wil...@gmail.com > >>e: aaron.wil...@sympatico.ca > > slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Re: Linux Webcam Recommendations
On 2020-04-30 13:55, Brett Delmage wrote: > On Thu, 30 Apr 2020, Brett Delmage wrote: > >On Thu, 30 Apr 2020, Brett Delmage wrote: > >>On Thu, 30 Apr 2020, Rick Cuthill wrote: > >>>Seem my search is moot anyway because webcams are sold out everywhere > > > >Buyapi.ca just sent out an email today about the new rPi cameras. I > >purchased the old camera with a pi from them a few years ago. > > Correct link!: > https://petapixel.com/2020/04/30/raspberry-pi-unveils-12-3mp-camera-module-with-interchangeable-lenses/ Ooh! It takes CCTV C or CS lenses! I have a bunch of them from my Lumenera ethernet cameras (local Linux-based). > and > > https://www.buyapi.ca/product/raspberry-pi-hq-camera/ > > other (older) cameras: > https://www.buyapi.ca/search.php?search_query=camera=product slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Linux Webcam Recommendations
On 2020-04-30 11:14, Alan McKay wrote: > Hey folks, > > I am looking for a webcam to use with Zoom conferencing. Running > Ubuntu 18.04 LTS if that matters. Any recommendations? Ideally > something that will also work on a Mac. I realize this wasn't part of your question/assumption, but I'd start with don't use Zoom, since it is such a security disaster and there are lots of other better options out there starting with Jitsi. As for hardware, modern laptops are the easiest with built-ins. A modern dSLR/pointNshoot/videocam can be used via USB and gphoto2: https://askubuntu.com/questions/856460/using-a-digital-camera-canon-as-webcam I tried this on another distro and have some other issues to resolve before this will work for me. Doing a search on: gphoto2 webcam should give you some other ideas. As for other dedicated webcam hardware, I'd guess that almost anything else should just work given usb video standards. > -Alan slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Tig for Git?
On 2020-04-23 12:23, Rob Echlin wrote:
> HiAnybody here using "tig"?
> It's a text mode interface for git, that uses ncurses.Interested in finding
> out how well it works for you.
> https://github.com/jonas/tig
I've used it occasionally, but I've found (thanks to Alex Pilon) that
git log --oneline --graph
was more helpful for the kind of information I was seeking.
Certainly I liked tig better than any of the GUI options.
> Thanks,Rob
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Re: [linux] AGM -- NOW!
On 2020-04-09 19:45, Tug Williams wrote: > Alas we were unable to get a quorum tonight. > > Please keep an eye out for future announcements, for we will need to have an > AGM at some point. > > Thank you to those who turned out. I'd suggest that part of the problem is the: Ouch - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slack_(software)#Criticism W Wikipedia Slack (software) Slack is a proprietary instant messaging platform developed by Slack Technologies. 12 showed up. I held my nose and created an account just for this. There are 18 regularly on irc://oftc.net/#oclug which is an open technology. I'd suggest a number didn't show up due to the choice of proprietary venue. Can we please live our values and do dogfooding? > Regards > > Tug (and the rest of the board) > > On 2020-04-09 19:13, J C Nash wrote: > >Right now the Linux-Ottawa AGM is in progress on Slack at > > > >https://app.slack.com/client/T1B1YN3J6/C1B1DJ7M4 > > > >JN slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] what are people using as opposed to zoom for videoconferencing?
On 2020-04-02 08:39, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> given zoom's recent very, very, very bad press:
>
> https://techbeacon.com/node/3805
>
> what alternatives are people here using? here's one article that
> proposes some alternatives:
>
> https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/1/21202945/zoom-alternative-conference-video-free-app-skype-slack-hangouts-jitsi
I'll have a look at these two links...
I've had exactly the same concerns. When trying to set up zoom a number
of days ago, I was pretty surprised when I first got redirected from
zoom.us to zoom.com.cn. Then it pushed me to install their app rather
than let me use my browser. The next day, even though I had managed to
connect the night before, it would not let me in until I fed it an SMS
account number, but I have no cell phone. Mike Gifford shared this link
with me that confirmed my concerns and also suggested viable
alternatives:
https://metaviews.substack.com/p/future-tools-jitsi?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoyNDEwNDg0LCJwb3N0X2lkIjozNDU2NDIsIl8iOiJ4MmwyOCIsImlhdCI6MTU4NTc3NTI4NCwiZXhwIjoxNTg1Nzc4ODg0LCJpc3MiOiJwdWItMTY4ODIiLCJzdWIiOiJwb3N0LXJlYWN0aW9uIn0.g3Q-oeKzMoSOvJvMDQYMUkDPzDojEqLVKpDo5sKe6ac
> just curious if anyone has personal experience with any of the
> lesser-known alternatives?
Mike did set up a jit.si session for us, but the others in the call were
more enticed by the shinyness of zoom and all left the call. I would
have preferred to have stayed on the jit.si call.
Rob, thank you for starting this thread!
> rday
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Re: [linux] what are people using as opposed to zoom for videoconferencing?
On 2020-04-02 09:36, Dianne Skoll wrote: > I use Jitsi. Seems to work well enough. > > You can use it for free at https://meet.jit.si/ > > However, for my friends and family, I installed my own self-hosted instance. > Download from https://jitsi.org Ok, excellent, there are locals who are standing up their own server. This is exactly the sort of solution I was looking for. I'm not sure how federation works, but this is the sort of unwalled garden I have been wanting to use and actively promote. I'm going to try setting up my own server. > Regards, > > Dianne. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] XMPP Jabber
On 2020-03-29 11:03, Rick Leir wrote: > Hi all, > Recommendations for a XMPP Jabber server please? I was just thinking about the exact same thing. The next question would be about xmpp clients that do video, and about federation services. > Cheers -- Rick slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Slack Channel
On 2019-11-09 08:52, Dianne Skoll wrote: > On 11/9/19 6:10 AM, Jeff Green wrote: > > Is there a Slack Channel for the group? If not, would there be interest > > in making one? > > There is an IRC channel: #oclug on OFTC.NET > > https://webchat.oftc.net/?nick=WHATEVER=%23oclug=d4 There have been over a dozen people on that channel for at least 17 years. > I'm now going to go on a rant. :) I think I can hear what is coming and am guessing I fully agree. I was going to just ignore the original suggestion of slack as off-topic, but since someone else has weighed in, I'll jump in too now. > I would not be interested in a Slack channel. IRC is open-source with > an open protocol; Slack is closed-source with a closed protocol. I > don't think OCLUG should be in the business of promoting closed source > or closed protocols. Absolutely 100% agree. Same reason I don't have any use for other corporate walled gardens such as Skype, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, etc... I have dabbled a tiny bit in Twitter, but Mastodon is an open alternative if I felt the need to communicate with 140 character limits. The only one I've used with any frequency is LinkedIn, which has now been acquired by Microsoft. > Slack has discontinued options for using open protocols. > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03/09/slack_cuts_ties_to_irc_and_xmpp/ > > You can't log in to Slack as more than one user at a time. This is > particularly annoying if you have a work Slack channel and also want > personal Slack channels open at the same time. This is not an issue with > IRC clients. > > I mean, sure, you can't easily send an animated GIF of a cat chasing a laser > pointer over IRC, but to me the lack of bullshit like that is a good thing! However, this is possible with XMPP, and while I do like the simple nature of text, I'd be willing to entertain some possibility to enable this in an open way. G+ did use XMPP, but they had extended it and eventually killed it. > End rant. rant++ > Regards, > > Dianne. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] My recommendation for a .ca registrar
On 2019-10-31 19:39, Brett Delmage wrote:
> I had a ticket today with my domain registrar, Namespro.ca, to transfer out
> a domain I am getting rid of (to my city councillor whom I keep getting
> misdirected emails for)
>
> Namespro.ca was prompt, friendly, and businesslike about unlocking the
> domain and providing the EPP transfer code. Another terrible (Ottawa-based,
> sadly) registrar tried to hold my domains hostage years ago.
>
> As far as I can tell, Namespro.ca is one of a few registrars who supports
> ipv6 and DNSSEC DS records, both which I use on several domains. I
> thought I'd mention them in case anyone is looking for a .ca domain
> registrar that supports these and that is consistently responsive. (My
> search at CIRA showed very few, and they were more expensive.)
I switched to baremetal.ca for similar reasons and have been quite
satisfied with their service.
> Brett
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Re: [linux] looking for examples of what i'm calling "digital transience"
On 2019-07-20 05:44, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > good friend of mine is starting a research project, looking into > what i will call "digital transience" ... she is using a slightly > different term and would prefer i not use it for the time being. > > the idea is fairly obvious ... the danger of digital content > vanishing for any of a number of reasons: dropping support for > proprietary data formats, physical media (5 1/4" floppy drives, Zip > drives(?)) vanishing, link rot, entire site rot, and so on. so she's > interested in a couple things. > > first, just *general* contributors to the unexpected loss of what > might be important corporate digital data. but also, real-life > examples of things like this -- the one that leaps to mind is the > recent microsoft debacle involving ebooks protected by DRM: > > https://www.wired.com/story/microsoft-ebook-apocalypse-drm/ > > i think that, of the two topics above, she's more interested in > actual examples of significant loss of digital data, not through any > sort of malice, but by accident or unforeseen developments in hardware > or data formats that suddenly cause a catastrophic loss of > information. > > i've already started a list, but i'm open to as many examples as i > can collect. thoughts? This is a pretty interesting topic. This has happenned with every sort of media in the past... Though stone tablets are a bit more durable than 8-tracks and don't burn at 451 degrees farenheiht... This sounds like the kind of stuff that Russell McOrmond and Joseph Potvin would be interested in. I'm sure you would start a lively discussion over on ottawa-gosl...@list.goslingcommunity.org > rday slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] rsync processes that fill up root disk
On 2019-05-13 20:52, Alan McKay wrote:
> -x option on ps will give you the command line
My standard ps command is:
ps auxfww | less
You may need to use a very wide terminal for it to be legible due to
wrapping. "f" is family tree view, "w" is wide view, "w" is wide
again...
> Also find the parent process and see what it is. Parent process will
> be listed in the ps listing.
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Re: [linux] access to mdadm raid1 "disk" from apache2?
On 2019-03-20 16:03, J C Nash wrote: > To facilitate some genealogy work at home, I've found it helpful to point > local apache2 > server at some of my files. This seemed to work fine by just putting a > symlink to directories > in my /home/john area. However, today I tried a symlink to a directory on a > RAID1 disk (/dev/md0 > in my system, mounted at /media/john/J6R). > > For some reason I've had no success. Read lots of "help" pages, but no joy. > > Things I've played with (possibly incorrectly): > > - user and group ownership of various objects > - (re)mount disk with gid for www-date and uid for me > - restarts of Apache2 > - apache2.conf adjustment for directory, available and enabled (symlink), > adding FollowSymLinks etc. > > I've a sneaking suspicion that mdadm disks may need some special setting, or > else I'm > missing something very simple that is staring me in the face. I have a sneaking suspicion it is selinux chucking a fault on labels... I'm certainly no expert on selinux but it sounds like apache doesn't have permission to read the files or filesystem you are trying to feed it. Are there any messages in the audit log? "ausearch -i -start recent" may give you a clue, or it may be in "journalctl -b" if audit is not enabled. > This isn't terribly urgent or necessary, but it would be nice to know what is > going on. > > Probably not something that is easy to sort out by the list, so maybe > offline until worked out. > > JN slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] ok, what is the most "newbie-friendly" version of linux these days?
On 2019-02-24 11:15, Ian! D. Allen wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 11:03:30AM -0500, Rob Echlin wrote:
> > The best distro for newbies is the one that comes with an expert to
> > help them out. So, give them one that is compatible with what you use.
>
> Best advice ever. (Because it's exactly what I say to people!) :-)
My family was using Ubuntu, but I've switched everyone over to fedora, which I
use on my $work laptop. I'd agree that RHEL isn't really suitable (even though
that is on my $work workstation). Mint seems like a reasonable suggestion,
otherwise I'd be recommending Debian if I wasn't at $work since that's what's
on all my personal machines.
> | Ian! D. Allen, BA, MMath - idal...@idallen.ca - Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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Re: [linux] forwarding to a gmail account
On 2019-01-19 13:51, Rick Leir wrote: > Michel > Sorry, it is not a simple answer. They suggest DKIM, SPF and DMARC for > authentication, and setting these up will take a bit of effort. It is not > clear how Google scores an email to block spam, maybe one of the > authentication systems above would be adequate. Or maybe they are all > required. I've gone through the process to set up DKIM, SPF and DMARC and last I checked I had it right, but things keep evolving... This past week I've had a couple of clues that things also broke too though, so I have to start digging again. > Have you tried forwarding to a yahoo account? It might be easier. I've asked a number of subscribers to mailing lists on my server to choose an account *other* than yahoo because they've broken all mailing lists, including those run by the IETF (ironically). > Rick > > > On January 19, 2019 1:02:39 PM EST, "Michael P. Soulier" > wrote: > >So, I help our my sister's business by handling her domain. For some > >time she has paid for a virtual server with westhost.com, and on it, I > >have a simple forward rule in /etc/aliases for her business account to > >her gmail account, as she requested. > > > >trish: tsoul...@gmail.com > >petservices: trish > > > >So someone emailing petservi...@pawsitiveapproach.ca will result in a > >forward to tsoul...@gmail.com. This has been working fine. > > > >Suddenly it's not. > > > > - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - > >tsoul...@gmail.com > >(reason: 550-5.7.1 This message does not have authentication > >information or fails to pass) > >(expanded from: trish) > > > > - Transcript of session follows - > >... while talking to gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com.: > >>>> DATA > ><<< 550-5.7.1 This message does not have authentication information or > >fails to pass > ><<< 550-5.7.1 authentication checks. To best protect our users from > >spam, the > ><<< 550-5.7.1 message has been blocked. Please visit > ><<< 550-5.7.1 > >https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126#authentication for more > ><<< 550 5.7.1 information. s3si2560808iom.144 - gsmtp > >554 5.0.0 Service unavailable > > > >I don't understand why google is asking for authentication for a simple > >forward. We're not relaying, we're forwarding. > > > >I'm in the middle of moving her nameservers to use my config at > >digitalocean so I can better control her setup, but I've had the same > >issue there with a simple mail forward so I'm asking. > > > >If I use postfix' virtual hosting, then that works. But why would a > >simple /etc/aliases forward be rejected? > > > >Help appreciated. Google's explanation is not helpful, at least to me. > > > >Mike slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Encryption software for external hard drive
On 2019-01-11 11:28, Dianne Skoll wrote: > On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 16:06:43 + > Robert Venczel wrote: > > > I would like to encrypt my backup files stored on an external > > drive. Which software would you suggest I should use for it? Thank > > you. > > There are many options. I use "encfs" which is pretty simple to use and > encrypts each file individually. Note that encfs is probably not the most > secure solution available; see the "Security Concerns" section at > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EncFS but it's good enough for me. > > You could use LUKS if you prefer full-disk encryption. I use LUKS with a linux filesystem (ext4 or xfs) on external drives. Most distros have pop-ups to prompt you for the passphrase, and several options for one-time, session, or login-protected keyring key lifetime. I forget whether I set it up manually, or just used something like gparted. > Dianne. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] rsync seems to hang when asked to update backup of large disk
On 2019-01-06 20:09, Peter Sj??berg wrote: > On 2019-01-06 5:49 p.m., J C Nash wrote: > > The title says it. I have rsync set up to run from the Double Commander 2 > > pane file > > manager. If I select parallel directories of modest size, rsync runs fine. > > (There are > > very few or no updates. I'm just trying to ensure all is up to date.) > > > > However if I choose a high level directory on each side, it goes for a > > while then seems to > > just hang. > > > > I'm wondering if I've overflowed some sort of index or buffer. Suggestions? > > Copy huge directories has never been a problem for me as long as space > is available. I routinely copy between two NAS servers (old/current and > 2BE) and there it can be several million files and >2TB of data to copy. > This works fine both for the initial copy and subsequent > refresh/updates, no problem there. Now this is done under Centos6/7 on > servers with 16/32GB of memory so if you try something similar on a > 512MB system you might have an issue. I routinely rsync 2GB filesystems without any trouble, but these machines generally both have at least 12GB RAM (that might mostly be hogged by a hungry browser on at least one end). > One thing that causes hangs for me (and been an itch for a long time) is > when I copy a something and the destination runs out of space. Then it > just hangs and easiest fix is to kill it on both sides, fix space on > destination and start over. I usually get an informative error rather than a hang. > /ps slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Hardware sources redux
On 2018-12-10 09:01, Dianne Skoll wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Dec 2018 16:21:51 -0500
> Rick Leir wrote:
>
> > Now we can switch the thread to distro wars! I like Ubuntu for the desktop.
>
> Debian + XFCE4 for me. At work, I was given Ubuntu with GNOME which I
> quickly converted to Ubuntu + XFCE4.
I waffle between xfce4 and lxde with a slight preference for the latter. I
really need an xterm and "focus follows mouse" (oh yeah, and no use at all for
CAPS LOCK).
My personal machines are Debian but I dogfood for $WORK. I don't ubuntu
anymore since it wouldn't install on a couple of desktops where Debian "just
worked"(tm), besides I don't trust Shuttleworth.
> Dianne.
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Re: [linux] Hardware sources redux
On 2018-12-10 07:55, Nathan Kirk wrote: > Fedora with KDE works best for me.Cheers,Nathan /me stays away from gnome and isn't a fan of kde. > Original message From: Rick Leir Date: > 2018-12-09 4:21 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Barry McLarnon , > linux@linux-ottawa.org Subject: Re: [linux] Hardware sources redux > Barry > Now we can switch the thread to distro wars! I like Ubuntu for the desktop. > Cheers -- Rick slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Video Processing
On 2018-12-03 16:46, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > On 2018-12-03 15:54, Alan McKay wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 3:39 PM Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > > > for doing photo and video processing > > > > What software are you using? > > For photo processing, I have a number of custom perl scripts to glue together > my workflow, but the primary bits of software are geeqie (was gqview), ufraw > (based on dcraw), GIMP, ImageMagik, exiftool, avconv/ffmpeg, jhead. Oh, I forgot gphoto2 for downloading and usb control of the camera. > > I've tried a bunch of things on Linux and have found none of them are very > > good. > > I used to use the Youtube editor but Google took it away :-( > > slainte mhath, RGB slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Hardware sources?
On 2018-12-03 12:49, J C Nash wrote:
> Yes, the number of stores is getting fewer, and the remaining vendors are ones
> I don't consider useful ("Worst" Buy -- who I discovered do not honour
> warranties,
> Walmart, etc.) However, I have dealt with CanadaComputers and have bought 3
> laptops
> (all Asus, which have been Debian/Ubuntu/Mint friendly) as well as a tower.
> The tower,
> however, was 2012 and still going strong. They also set it up "no-OS" so I
> could
> avoid the WinTax. Unfortunately, Asus appears to ignore Linux these days.
I built up a new desktop from scratch (reusing an old case) about 4 years ago
with parts from Canada Computers and have found them quite helpful. It is
running Debian (no WinTax) with a video-less CPU (Intel i7-x8xx series) and
dual DVI fanless card that is very quiet driving a couple of 27" IPS monitors
for doing photo and video processing.
> Perhaps other members will contribute some places and some ideas about
> hardware to
> avoid.
>
> JN
>
> On 2018-12-03 11:58 a.m., Barry McLarnon wrote:
> > My Linux desktop system is getting rather long in the tooth and has some
> > stability issues, so I'm looking to replace
> > it.?? It seems that the number of local sources for barebones PCs has
> > dwindled almost to nothing since the last time I
> > bought any hardware, and I'm looking for recommendations.
> >
> > Also, is there any particular hardware, especially graphics, that I should
> > avoid due to iffy Linux support??? I've used
> > openSUSE for many years and will probably give their Tumbleweed rolling
> > release a whirl, but apparently it can be a real
> > hassle if you don't have well-supported hardware.?? I don't need state of
> > the art, just a stable platform for general
> > desktop use and some light-duty server stuff (web, mail, and some in-house
> > streaming).
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any suggestions you may have on what to get and where
> > to get it...
> >
> > Barry
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[linux] FreeNet DSL modem donations
Hi all, I seem to recall FreeNet actively searching DSL modem donations. Is this still the case? slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] What's up with the #oclug IRC channel?
On 2018-08-02 13:29, J C Nash wrote: > Perhaps someone can give instructions to answer Diane's "how to" query? This is from my 2-decade-old notes... For general help: /msg nickserv help To register: /msg nickserv register [] To hide your email address used for recovery: /msg nickserv set hide email on To set a recovery email address: /msg nickserv set email To "log in" /msg nickserv identify [] > JN > > On 2018-08-02 01:03 PM, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > > On 2018-08-02 13:01, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > >> On 2018-08-02 12:44, Scott Murphy wrote: > >>> No idea. I have not been on there in a long time. I don???t even know who > >>> is an operator. RGB might have some info. > >> > >> There was a spambot attacking oftc and freenode. The attacks stopped > >> without > >> our intervention on OFTC, but they are still ongoing on freenode. > >> > >> On #audit on freenode, I managed to stop the spam attacks by setting the > >> channel to +r (user registeration required). > >> > >> MCR did this too on #oclug, but after the attacks stopped, so I think OFTC > >> staff mitigated the attack and the +r on #oclug wasn't really necessary. > > > > Actually, no, I'm wrong. They didn't stop altogether on OFTC, but they did > > slow down. So +r seems to have helped. Thanks MCR. > > > >>>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 9:38 AM, Dianne Skoll wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> Has something changed on #oclug? I was kicked from the > >>>> channel and can't rejoin unless registered and verified, and > >>>> I don't know how to do that. > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> > >>>> Dianne. > >> > >>slainte mhath, RGB > > > > slainte mhath, RGB slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] What's up with the #oclug IRC channel?
On 2018-08-02 13:01, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > On 2018-08-02 12:44, Scott Murphy wrote: > > No idea. I have not been on there in a long time. I don???t even know who > > is an operator. RGB might have some info. > > There was a spambot attacking oftc and freenode. The attacks stopped without > our intervention on OFTC, but they are still ongoing on freenode. > > On #audit on freenode, I managed to stop the spam attacks by setting the > channel to +r (user registeration required). > > MCR did this too on #oclug, but after the attacks stopped, so I think OFTC > staff mitigated the attack and the +r on #oclug wasn't really necessary. Actually, no, I'm wrong. They didn't stop altogether on OFTC, but they did slow down. So +r seems to have helped. Thanks MCR. > > > On Aug 2, 2018, at 9:38 AM, Dianne Skoll wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Has something changed on #oclug? I was kicked from the > > > channel and can't rejoin unless registered and verified, and > > > I don't know how to do that. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Dianne. > > slainte mhath, RGB slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] What's up with the #oclug IRC channel?
On 2018-08-02 12:44, Scott Murphy wrote: > No idea. I have not been on there in a long time. I don???t even know who is > an operator. RGB might have some info. There was a spambot attacking oftc and freenode. The attacks stopped without our intervention on OFTC, but they are still ongoing on freenode. On #audit on freenode, I managed to stop the spam attacks by setting the channel to +r (user registeration required). MCR did this too on #oclug, but after the attacks stopped, so I think OFTC staff mitigated the attack and the +r on #oclug wasn't really necessary. > > On Aug 2, 2018, at 9:38 AM, Dianne Skoll wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Has something changed on #oclug? I was kicked from the > > channel and can't rejoin unless registered and verified, and > > I don't know how to do that. > > > > Regards, > > > > Dianne. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
