[linux] June meeting announcement: 2024-06-06 @ 19:00 EDT

[Scott Murphy via linux]

Meeting Announcement

Linux-Ottawa June 2024 Meeting.

Date/Time:

Thursday June 6th at 7pm

Format:

Online over Jitsi: https://meet.jit.si/oclug_2024-06-06_ttsfun 
<https://meet.jit.si/oclug_2024-06-06_ttsfun>
Check the mailing list for in-person clusters being hosted by other members.
Program:

Topics

TTS (Text To Speech) is the topic:
John Nash will give a talk on using TTS in the production of audio books from 
epubs
Tug Williams will give a short talk on usign TTS in the creation of 
non-trackable voice messages
Scott Murphy will give a short talk on using TTS for inclusion in broadcast


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[linux] May Meeting announcement: 2024-05-02 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy via linux]

Meeting Announcement

Linux-Ottawa May 2024 Meeting.


Date/Time:

Thursday May 2nd at 7pm


Format:

Online over Jitsi: https://meet.jit.si/oclug_2024-02-02_ubntusg
Check mailing list for in-person clusters being hosted by other members.

Program:

Topics

Scott Murphy will give a talk on hardware reuse of a security appliance.
There may be another talk, no details are available


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[linux] April 4th Meeting announcement: 2024-04-04 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy via linux]

Meeting Announcement

Linux-Ottawa April 2024 Meeting.

Date/Time:

Thursday April 4th at 7pm

Format:

Online over Jitsi https://meet.jit.si/oclug_2024-04-04_greaseweazel 
<https://meet.jit.si/oclug_2024-04-04_greaseweazel>

Check mailing list for in-person clusters being hosted by other members.
Program:

Topics

Scott Murphy will give a talk/demonstration of using a greaseweazel for floppy 
data recovery.

We had a somewhat recent list discussion on recovering data from floppy disks 
that realistically do not have current support or hardware.

The talk will be an absolute beginner's attempt to recover some of that data 
and by “beginner's attempt”, it means I have not previously attempted to read 
“foreign” diskettes from 40+ years ago, so this is a brand new thing for me to 
try.

John Nash has a short talk on the annual burden of tax filing, PDFs, and using 
pdftk. A usual, there are unanticipated challenges with even what appears to be 
the simplest of things.

JF Messier may have an item to discuss as well. Assuming we have not run out 
the clock at this point.


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[linux] February 1st Meeting announcement

[Scott Murphy via linux]

Seems we got blocked again, so resending after correcting the block.

Meeting Announcement
Linux-Ottawa February 2024 Meeting.
Date/Time:
Thursday February 1st at 7pm
Format:
1. Online over Jitsi https://meet.jit.si/oclug_2024-02-01 

2. Check mailing list for in-person clusters being hosted by other members.
Program:
Topics
1. Tug will talk about building non-native packages (arm on amd64), and setting 
up Gentoo binary packages for raspberry pi.
2. Scott might bring some light relief if time permits.




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Re: [linux] 5.25" floppy reading

[Scott Murphy]

The greaseweazel supports 8”, 5.25”, and 3.5” devices.

The HW is inexpensive, but the floppy drive might be expensive, depending on 
what you are looking for. This is a USB device and I have an older revision.

From the Canadian website that sells a fully built device for $34:

Keir Fraser’s Greaseweazle is a project for versatile floppy drive control over 
USB. By extracting the raw flux transitions from a drive, any diskette format 
can be captured and analyzed - PC, Amiga, Amstrad, PDP-11, many older 
electronic musical instruments, and industrial equipment. The Greaseweazle also 
supports writing to floppy disks. The design is fully open and comes with no 
license encumberment.

https://decromancer.ca/greaseweazle/

Cheers,
Scott
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> On Jan 17, 2024, at 19:14, Rick Leir  wrote:
> 
> What about my 8" floppy disk, unused since it was in a pdp11, in 1978 approx.
> LOL
> 
> 
> On January 17, 2024 3:22:06 PM EST, "Ian E. Gorman"  
> wrote:
> You can get hardware to use with a bare floppy drive.  I don't know how good 
> the hardware is.
> 
> https://github.com/keirf/greaseweazle <https://github.com/keirf/greaseweazle>
> 
> The software is free.  The is a link to vendors of the hardware.
> 
> Total cost of a setup might be around $300 Canadian.
> 
> 
> Ian G.
> 
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 1:29 PM Nash JC - NCF  <mailto:nas...@ncf.ca>> wrote:
> The subject is the topic. Does anyone have a device/machine that still
> reads 5.25" floppies. There's a library/archive at Bishops U. looking
> to do this for a non-exorbitant cost. Amazon popped up a device for about
> 30 microseconds, and it wasn't expensive, but gone now.
> 
> I have a curiosity interest, but only one or two old disks that I don't need
> to read.
> 
> JN
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[linux] December Meeting: 2023-12-07 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

Meeting Announcement

Linux-Ottawa December 2023 Meeting.

Date/Time:

Thursday December 7th at 7pm

Format:

1. Online over Jitsi https://meet.jit.si/oclug_2023-12-07

2. Check mailing list for in-person clusters being hosted by other members.

Program:

Topics

1. Script Night: If you have a useful script you want to share, or a problem 
script you want to rescue, bring it along.

Current offerings include

John Nash - scripts to move data to and from cloud storage.

Tug Williams - using bash to download and compress feeds for use over low 
bandwidth connections.

Anyone else! - anything anyone wants to bring up.



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Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023

[Scott Murphy]

OCUUG (later Ocbug) was mostly social with occasional technical content. I 
think it started as a technical group and eventually became more social, at 
least that is my memory of it. I was not part of the early years.

The old website is still up, sporting my mock license plate: http://ocuug.on.ca

I may still have access to modify things, but it was a very long time ago and 
might take me a while to locate the credentials.

Cheers,
Scott
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> On Mar 31, 2023, at 15:30, Katherine Mcmillan  wrote:
> 
> Illumos would be a great one to include too.
> 
> -Katie
> From: Katherine Mcmillan 
> Sent: 31 March 2023 15:18
> To: Richard Guy Briggs 
> Cc: Tug Williams ; Linux-Ottawa 
> 
> Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
> 
> "OCUNIX"! That's awesome Richard - it wasn't successful? When did it stop 
> existing?
> 
> Doesn't the OCBUG have the same problem as the OCLUG right now?  Don't get me 
> wrong, I would go out to a Royal Oak and chat with Scott, Ian and others 
> anytime, but it isn't really a formal group.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Katie
> From: Richard Guy Briggs 
> Sent: 31 March 2023 14:20
> To: Katherine Mcmillan 
> Cc: Tug Williams ; Linux-Ottawa 
> 
> Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
> 
> Attention : courriel externe | external email
> 
> On 2023-03-31 17:25, Katherine Mcmillan wrote:
> > Hi Tug,
> >
> > Just out of curiousity, has there ever been any discussion about forming an 
> > "Ottawa Unix User Group"? (although "OUUG" sounds terrible, and it can't be 
> > "CUUG" because that's already taken - I suppose it could be "NCRUUG" or 
> > just "CRUUG").  I ask for several reasons:
> 
> OCUNIX used to exist, so did OCUUG.  They effectively became OCBUG.
> 
> >   1.  I'm currently on the Board of Directors for EuroBSDCon (a *BSD 
> > focussed international conference).
> >   2.  BSDCan<https://www.bsdcan.org/2023/ <https://www.bsdcan.org/2023/>> 
> > is coming up in Ottawa!
> >   3.  I recently attended a Calgary Unix User Group (CUUG) meeting (thanks 
> > all for including me if any of you are on this list!)  Theo de Raadt was 
> > speaking, and that was really fantastic to witness.  It seemed like a 
> > successful user group and approach.
> >   4.  There are a number of people based in Ottawa and Quebec that are *BSD 
> > users/developers/advocates, and more recently I've come across some QNX and 
> > Darwin people. There seems to be potential for a collaborative approach to 
> > leveraging Unix and Unix-like operating systems.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Katie
> > 
> > From: Tug Williams 
> > Sent: 31 March 2023 11:31
> > To: linux@linux-ottawa.org 
> > Subject: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
> >
> > Attention : courriel externe | external email
> >
> > When: 7pm Thursday April 6th 2023
> > Where: https://meet.jit.si/oclug_2023-04-06 
> > <https://meet.jit.si/oclug_2023-04-06>
> >
> > Check the mailing list for individuals hosting in-person clusters.
> >
> > Request for volunteers to give talks, short or long, for future meetings - 
> > If you have a Linux related presentation or demo you'd be comfortable 
> > sharing with the group, or a discussion topic you wish to introduce, then 
> > please let us know.
> >
> > We have a couple of talks, and a proposed change that needs airing and 
> > discussing...
> >
> > Topics
> >
> > 1) Discussion of the boards proposal to dissolve the OCLUG corporation (not 
> > the club, just the not-for-profit corporation the board believes has 
> > outlived is benefit)
> > 2) talk from Katie McMillan: "The Princess and the Wacom One"
> > 3) talk from John Nash: "M1 Macintosh and floating point"
> >
> >
> > Proposal to dissolve corporation
> >
> > Linux-Ottawa members are asked to vote as per instructions below on the 
> > dissolution of the Ontario not-for-profit corporation "Ottawa Carleton 
> > Linux Users Group" Ontario Corporation number 1476767.
> >
> > In that we have not organized events requiring the structure and resources 
> > of a corporation for some years, the motivations for having a corporation 
> > no longer apply.
> >
> > This vote does NOT imply that Linux-Ottawa will not continue. We intend, 
> > with member support, to continue the electronic mailing list and regular 
> > virtual and hybrid meetings. However, we have not had anyone step 

[linux] April meeting announcement

[scott . murphy]

I really need to take 5 and reread before I send an email.

Meeting portion of the evening:

We have one talk scheduled so far. John will lead a discussion on "Video formats
and conversion” after the AGM portion is completed. There may be a second talk,
depending on available time. Topic “to be determined” at this point.


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[linux] AGM + Meeting: 2022-04-07 @ 19:00

[scott . murphy]

Linux Ottawa Annual General Meeting - April 7, 2022

Meeting will be online via jitsi with the following link and code:

https://six.linux-ottawa.org/LinuxOttawa20220407


AGM portion:

Key business:
- election of board members
- reports on activities and finance
- discussion of priorities for Linux Ottawa activities
- discussion of group services and how to maintain them

Proxies: If you cannot participate, please send a proxy using the form
at the bottom of this email. The target number we need is 15 people/proxies.


Meeting background information.

Board: Several board members have other obligations and have decided
to step down. Tug Williams, Ian Gorman and John Nash have agreed to
stay on. That is a minimal quorum for the Board. We can definitely use
some more members to give wider experience and opinions.

Priorities for Linux Ottawa activities: It appears that the mailing list
is our most valued service and well-used. Our monthly meetings get reasonable
participation online (and previously in person). At the present, there is
uncertainty as to the wisdom of returning to in-person meetings from a health
perspective. Moreover, having set up the infrastructure for virtual meetings,
the Board has noted that arrangements for meetings are less effort than those
for in-person ones, and also cost less in financial terms.

Other activities -- for example a club distro, outreach activities -- have
had verbal support but no serious commitment of effort. Should we simply list
them as activities we will support as and when there is member buy-in?

Group services: We need volunteers -- preferably small teams -- to maintain
our services. We have a Linux Ottawa virtual server, so must maintain and
back it up. To simplify the operation, we present only our Dokuwiki instance.

Our mailing list is not fully standards-compliant. We had a member who
undertook to set up a Mailman3 list service. However, that person has stopped
communicating and we have not been able to determine the reason. With covid
and convoys, we reserve judgement pending more information. However, our
mailing list could use some work, and that will not happen without some
members stepping up to the plate.

We also welcome contributions to our monthly meetings. The format of one
or two topics with a presentation and discussion seems to work. The 
presentations
do not need to be from an "expert", but are points of departure for increasing
understanding of different tools or situations.


Meeting portion of the evening:

We have one talk scheduled so far. John will lead a discussion on "Video formats
and conversion” after the AGM portion is completed. There may be a second talk,
depending on available time and availability. Topic “to be determined” at this 
point.


-
Proxy Instructions…
-

Proxies can be registered by sending an email to either John Nash (john dot
nash at uottawa dot ca) or Scott Murphy (scott dot murphy at linux dash ottawa
dot org) prior to 17:00 on Wednesday, April 6, 2022 so that we have a record
prior to the election. The email should be in the form of the example in the
bylaws, replicated below:

cut——

OTTAWA CANADA LINUX USERS GROUP Proxy Appointment

The undersigned member of the OTTAWA CANADA LINUX USERS GROUP hereby
appoints _ of _ or
failing in person appointed above, _ of
_ as the proxy of the undersigned to attend and
act at the OCLUG meeting to be held on the day of _,
and at any adjournment thereof in the same manner, to the same extent and
with the same power as if the undersigned were present.

Dated this day of _.

Legal name of Member: _.

Email address of Member: _.

—cut—

At the request of another board member to ensure the above makes sense,
the following is an example of filled out example would look something like:


OTTAWA CANADA LINUX USERS GROUP Proxy Appointment

The undersigned member of the OTTAWA CANADA LINUX USERS GROUP hereby
appoints Scott Murphy of Ottawa or failing in person appointed above,
John Nash of Ottawa as the proxy of the undersigned to attend and
act at the OCLUG meeting to be held on the day of April 9, 2020,
and at any adjournment thereof in the same manner, to the same extent and
with the same power as if the undersigned were present.

Dated this day of _April_6,_2022_.

Legal name of Member: _Tux_T._Penguin_.

Email address of Member: _tux@linux-ottawa.org_.



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Re: [linux] Fixed Code: March 2022 Meeting - 2022-03-03 @ 19:00

[scott . murphy]

They will be available after the talk.

> On Feb 28, 2022, at 03:03, Ian! D. Allen  wrote:
> 
>> Scott Murphy will be giving a talk on converting a Chrome Book to run a full 
>> Linux OS.
> 
> Slides?  Transcript?  I got me one of them things.
> 
> 
> 
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[linux] Fixed Code: March 2022 Meeting - 2022-03-03 @ 19:00

[scott . murphy]

When: Thursday, March 3, 2022
Time: 19:00
Where: jitsi video conference

NOTE: Next month (April) is the Annual AGM. If you want to run for a seat on 
the board, send an email to elections  linux-ottawa.org and we will add 
your name to the slate. You can also be nominated on the night of the election 
(including self-nomination).

We only have one talk scheduled for tonight: Scott Murphy will be giving a talk 
on converting a Chrome Book to run a full Linux OS. This will not fill the 
evening, so bring questions or some ideas for future talks.


This month's code: LinuxOttawa20220303


Meeting Details:

The meeting URL will now be a fixed URL, 
https://six.linux-ottawa.org/ and should be up for connection by 
18:30 on meeting nights and will vanish shortly after the meeting has 
concluded. You will be joining as anonymous guests, so you will not have a 
username or password. If it asks for a username and password, it has not been 
started yet. I will be attempting to have it running by 18:45. It may be online 
earlier, but it should be online by then.

Rules/Procedures/Common-Sense:

Video and audio will be disabled when you join. In order to make sure the 
experience is a reasonable one for all involved, the presenter will share their 
screen-window-whatever they are comfortable with and you will see it quite 
clearly. Rather than unmute, pressing your space bar will unmute your 
microphone while pressed, so you can try that to ask questions. There is also 
the chat window, which no longer appears to obscure the rest of the session 
(maybe on small monitors?) Feel free to post questions and as opportunity 
presents itself and the presenter notices, they will get answered. After the 
presentation is completed, feel free to unmute and have a normal voice/video 
Q




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[linux] March 2022 Meeting - 2022-03-03 @ 19:00

[scott . murphy]

When: Thursday, March 3, 2022
Time: 19:00
Where: jitsi video conference

NOTE: Next month (April) is the Annual AGM. If you want to run for a seat on 
the board, send an email to elections  linux-ottawa.org and we will add 
your name to the slate. You can also be nominated on the night of the election 
(including self-nomination).

We only have one talk scheduled for tonight: Scott Murphy will be giving a talk 
on converting a Chrome Book to run a full Linux OS. This will not fill the 
evening, so bring questions or some ideas for future talks.

This month's code: LinuxOttawa20220203


Meeting Details:

The meeting URL will now be a fixed URL, 
https://six.linux-ottawa.org/ and should be up for connection by 
18:30 on meeting nights and will vanish shortly after the meeting has 
concluded. You will be joining as anonymous guests, so you will not have a 
username or password. If it asks for a username and password, it has not been 
started yet. I will be attempting to have it running by 18:45. It may be online 
earlier, but it should be online by then.

Rules/Procedures/Common-Sense:

Video and audio will be disabled when you join. In order to make sure the 
experience is a reasonable one for all involved, the presenter will share their 
screen-window-whatever they are comfortable with and you will see it quite 
clearly. Rather than unmute, pressing your space bar will unmute your 
microphone while pressed, so you can try that to ask questions. There is also 
the chat window, which no longer appears to obscure the rest of the session 
(maybe on small monitors?) Feel free to post questions and as opportunity 
presents itself and the presenter notices, they will get answered. After the 
presentation is completed, feel free to unmute and have a normal voice/video 
Q



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[linux] February 2022 Meeting - 2022-02-03 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

When: Thursday, February 3, 2022
Time: 19:00
Where: jitsi video conference

Ian Gorman will give a talk on accessible Linux

John Nash will give a talk titled: “Efficient writing by choosing and 
personalizing open-source tools"

This month's code: LinuxOttawa20220203

Meeting Details:

The meeting URL will now be a fixed URL, https://six.linux-ottawa.org and 
should be up for connection by 18:30 on meeting nights and will vanish shortly 
after the meeting has concluded. You will be joining as anonymous guests, so 
you will not have a username or password. If it asks for a username and 
password, it has not been started yet. I will be attempting to have it running 
by 18:45. It may be online earlier, but it should be online by then.


Rules/Procedures/Common-Sense:

Video and audio will be disabled when you join. In order to make sure the 
experience is a reasonable one for all involved, the presenter will share their 
screen-window-whatever they are comfortable with and you will see it quite 
clearly. Rather than unmute, pressing your space bar will unmute your 
microphone while pressed, so you can try that to ask questions. There is also 
the chat window, which no longer appears to obscure the rest of the session 
(maybe on small monitors?) Feel free to post questions and as opportunity 
presents itself and the presenter notices, they will get answered. After the 
presentation is completed, feel free to unmute and have a normal voice/video 
Q


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[linux] January 2022 Meeting - 2022-01-06 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

When: Thursday, January 6, 2022
Time: 19:00
Where: jitsi video conference

Rob Echlin will give a talk on “Security Awareness in Application Development”

Tug Williams will talk about “A self-contained desktop wiki for notes”

This month's code: LinuxOttawa20220106

Meeting Details:

The meeting URL will now be a fixed URL, https://six.linux-ottawa.org and 
should be up for connection by 18:30 on meeting nights and will vanish shortly 
after the meeting has concluded. You will be joining as anonymous guests, so 
you will not have a username or password. If it asks for a username and 
password, it has not been started yet. I will be attempting to have it running 
by 18:45. It may be online earlier, but it should be online by then.


Rules/Procedures/Common-Sense:

Video and audio will be disabled when you join. In order to make sure the 
experience is a reasonable one for all involved, the presenter will share their 
screen-window-whatever they are comfortable with and you will see it quite 
clearly. Rather than unmute, pressing your space bar will unmute your 
microphone while pressed, so you can try that to ask questions. There is also 
the chat window, which no longer appears to obscure the rest of the session 
(maybe on small monitors?) Feel free to post questions and as opportunity 
presents itself and the presenter notices, they will get answered. After the 
presentation is completed, feel free to unmute and have a normal voice/video 
Q


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[linux] December 2021 Meeting - 2021-12-02 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

When: Thursday, December 2, 2021
Time: 19:00
Where: jitsi video conference

This month is the annual scripting talk/open discussion. We have at least three 
items lined up and are hoping for some scripting items from the general 
membership, so feel free to volunteer a pet script or a scripting question.

Scripting is a pretty open topic, not just limited to shells, but any scripting 
language is fair game. Maybe there will be something new that you have not seen 
or considered before.

Call for participation:

If anyone is interested in doing a short ~5 minute talk on some scripting 
aspect, feel free to let the secretary ( at )  
know that you are interested so we can line them up. As mentioned above, it can 
be about anything, something new you have discovered, a problem you are having, 
etc.

This month's code: LinuxOttawa20211202


Meeting Details:

The meeting URL will now be a fixed URL, https://six.linux-ottawa.org and 
should be up for connection by 18:30 on meeting nights and will vanish shortly 
after the meeting has concluded. You will be joining as anonymous guests, so 
you will not have a username or password. If it asks for a username and 
password, it has not been started yet. I will be attempting to have it running 
by 18:45. It may be online earlier, but it should be online by then.


Rules/Procedures/Common-Sense:

Video and audio will be disabled when you join. In order to make sure the 
experience is a reasonable one for all involved, the presenter will share their 
screen-window-whatever they are comfortable with and you will see it quite 
clearly. Rather than unmute, pressing your space bar will unmute your 
microphone while pressed, so you can try that to ask questions. There is also 
the chat window, which no longer appears to obscure the rest of the session 
(maybe on small monitors?) Feel free to post questions and as opportunity 
presents itself and the presenter notices, they will get answered. After the 
presentation is completed, feel free to unmute and have a normal voice/video 
Q


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[linux] November 2021 Meeting - 2021-11-04 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

When: Thursday, November 4, 2021
Time: 19:00
Where: jitsi video conference

For those new to Linux, John will give a talk titled: “Image Viewers – a 
confusing array”.

Once John has finished, Scott will give a talk titled: “What happened to the 
Pirate Box?”

This month’s code: LinuxOttawa20211104

Meeting Details:

The meeting URL will now be a fixed URL, https://six.linux-ottawa.org and 
should be up for connection by 18:30 on meeting nights and will vanish shortly 
after the meeting has concluded. You will be joining as anonymous guests, so 
you will not have a username or password. If it asks for a username and 
password, it has not been started yet. I will be attempting to have it running 
by 18:45. It may be online earlier, but it should be online by then.


Rules/Procedures/Common-Sense:

Video and audio will be disabled when you join. In order to make sure the 
experience is a reasonable one for all involved, the presenter will share their 
screen-window-whatever they are comfortable with and you will see it quite 
clearly. Rather than unmute, pressing your space bar will unmute your 
microphone while pressed, so you can try that to ask questions. There is also 
the chat window, which no longer appears to obscure the rest of the session 
(maybe on small monitors?) Feel free to post questions and as opportunity 
presents itself and the presenter notices, they will get answered. After the 
presentation is completed, feel free to unmute and have a normal voice/video 
Q


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[linux] October 2021 Meeting - 2021-10-07 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

When: Thursday, October 7, 2021
Time: 19:00
Where: jitsi video conference

For those new to Linux, JF has a talk titled: “VPNs for the uninitated”.

Once JF has finished, Scott will give a talk titled: “Video Calls: Solved”.

This month’s code: LinuxOttawa20211007

Meeting Details:

The meeting URL will now be a fixed URL, https://six.linux-ottawa.org and 
should be up for connection by 18:30 on meeting nights and will vanish shortly 
after the meeting has concluded. You will be joining as anonymous guests, so 
you will not have a username or password. If it asks for a username and 
password, it has not been started yet. I will be attempting to have it running 
by 18:45. It may be online earlier, but it should be online by then.


Rules/Procedures/Common-Sense:

Video and audio will be disabled when you join. In order to make sure the 
experience is a reasonable one for all involved, the presenter will share their 
screen-window-whatever they are comfortable with and you will see it quite 
clearly. Rather than unmute, pressing your space bar will unmute your 
microphone while pressed, so you can try that to ask questions. There is also 
the chat window, which no longer appears to obscure the rest of the session 
(maybe on small monitors?) Feel free to post questions and as opportunity 
presents itself and the presenter notices, they will get answered. After the 
presentation is completed, feel free to unmute and have a normal voice/video 
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[linux] September 2021 Meeting - 2021-09-02 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

When: Thursday, September 2, 2021
Time: 19:00
Where: jitsi video conference

For those new to Linux, John has a talk titled: “Editors”.

Once John has finished, Scott will give a talk on Balena “Cloud Services” 
Results.

This month’s code: LinuxOttawa20210902

Meeting Details:

The meeting URL will now be a fixed URL, https://six.linux-ottawa.org and 
should be up for connection by 18:30 on meeting nights and will vanish shortly 
after the meeting has concluded. You will be joining as anonymous guests, so 
you will not have a username or password. If it asks for a username and 
password, it has not been started yet. I will be attempting to have it running 
by 18:45. It may be online earlier, but it should be online by then.


Rules/Procedures/Common-Sense:

Video and audio will be disabled when you join. In order to make sure the 
experience is a reasonable one for all involved, the presenter will share their 
screen-window-whatever they are comfortable with and you will see it quite 
clearly. Rather than unmute, pressing your space bar will unmute your 
microphone while pressed, so you can try that to ask questions. There is also 
the chat window, which no longer appears to obscure the rest of the session 
(maybe on small monitors?) Feel free to post questions and as opportunity 
presents itself and the presenter notices, they will get answered. After the 
presentation is completed, feel free to unmute and have a normal voice/video 
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[linux] August 2021 Meeting - 2021-08-05 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

When: Thursday, August 5, 2021
Time: 19:00
Where: jitsi video conference

For those new to Linux, John has a talk titled: “Boot-up”.

Once John has finished, Scott will give a talk on Digital Signage for the home.

This month’s code: LinuxOttawa20210805

Meeting Details:

The meeting URL will now be a fixed URL, https://six.linux-ottawa.org 
 and should be up for connection by 18:30 on 
meeting nights and will vanish shortly after the meeting has concluded. You 
will be joining as anonymous guests, so you will not have a username or 
password. If it asks for a username and password, it has not been started yet. 
I will be attempting to have it running by 18:45. It may be online earlier, but 
it should be online by then.


Rules/Procedures/Common-Sense:

Video and audio will be disabled when you join. In order to make sure the 
experience is a reasonable one for all involved, the presenter will share their 
screen-window-whatever they are comfortable with and you will see it quite 
clearly. Rather than unmute, pressing your space bar will unmute your 
microphone while pressed, so you can try that to ask questions. There is also 
the chat window, which no longer appears to obscure the rest of the session 
(maybe on small monitors?) Feel free to post questions and as opportunity 
presents itself and the presenter notices, they will get answered. After the 
presentation is completed, feel free to unmute and have a normal voice/video 
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[linux] Resend: July 2021 Meeting - 2021-07-08 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

Recycling emails is a problem… And don’t do it when you are tired, you forget 
to change something.

When: Thursday, July 8, 2021
Time: 19:00
Where: jitsi video conference


For those new to Linux, John has a talk titled: “WINE”. For those unfamiliar 
with the name, it is the WINE Is Not an Emulator project.

After John has finished, Brett will present a talk titled: “My mail, my way: 
Successfully setting up and operating your own Linux email server”

This month’s code: LinuxOttawa20210708

Meeting Details:

The meeting URL will now be a fixed URL, https://six.linux-ottawa.org 
 and should be up for connection by 18:30 on 
meeting nights and will vanish shortly after the meeting has concluded. You 
will be joining as anonymous guests, so you will not have a username or 
password. If it asks for a username and password, it has not been started yet. 
I will be attempting to have it running by 18:45. It may be online earlier, but 
it should be online by then.


Rules/Procedures/Common-Sense:

Video and audio will be disabled when you join. In order to make sure the 
experience is a reasonable one for all involved, the presenter will share their 
screen-window-whatever they are comfortable with and you will see it quite 
clearly. Rather than unmute, pressing your space bar will unmute your 
microphone while pressed, so you can try that to ask questions. There is also 
the chat window, which no longer appears to obscure the rest of the session 
(maybe on small monitors?) Feel free to post questions and as opportunity 
presents itself and the presenter notices, they will get answered. After the 
presentation is completed, feel free to unmute and have a normal voice/video 
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[linux] May 2021 Meeting - 2021-07-08 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

When: Thursday, July 8, 2021
Time: 19:00
Where: jitsi video conference


For those new to Linux, John has a talk titled: “WINE”. For those unfamiliar 
with the name, it is the WINE Is Not an Emulator project.

After John has finished, Brett will present a talk titled: “My mail, my way: 
Successfully setting up and operating your own Linux email server”

This month’s code: LinuxOttawa20210708

Meeting Details:

The meeting URL will now be a fixed URL, https://six.linux-ottawa.org 
 and should be up for connection by 18:30 on 
meeting nights and will vanish shortly after the meeting has concluded. You 
will be joining as anonymous guests, so you will not have a username or 
password. If it asks for a username and password, it has not been started yet. 
I will be attempting to have it running by 18:45. It may be online earlier, but 
it should be online by then.


Rules/Procedures/Common-Sense:

Video and audio will be disabled when you join. In order to make sure the 
experience is a reasonable one for all involved, the presenter will share their 
screen-window-whatever they are comfortable with and you will see it quite 
clearly. Rather than unmute, pressing your space bar will unmute your 
microphone while pressed, so you can try that to ask questions. There is also 
the chat window, which no longer appears to obscure the rest of the session 
(maybe on small monitors?) Feel free to post questions and as opportunity 
presents itself and the presenter notices, they will get answered. After the 
presentation is completed, feel free to unmute and have a normal voice/video 
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[linux] July Meeting: 2021-07-08

[Scott Murphy]

DATE CHANGE!!!

This is just a quick notification that the meeting will be pushed out from 
Canada Day to the 8th. 

More details on the meeting will follow as we get closer to the date.
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[linux] June 2021 Meeting - 2021-06-03 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

When: Thursday, June 3, 2021Time: 19:00Where: jitsi video conferenceFor those new to Linux, John has a talk titled: “New to the command line."After John has finished, Brett will present a talk titled: "My mail, my way: Successfully setting up and operating your own Linux email server"This month’s code: LinuxOttawa20210603Meeting Details:The meeting URL will now be a fixed URL, https://six.linux-ottawa.org and should be up for connection by 18:30 on meeting nights and will vanish shortly after the meeting has concluded. You will be joining as anonymous guests, so you will not have a username or password. If it asks for a username and password, it has not been started yet. I will be attempting to have it running by 18:45. It may be online earlier, but it should be online by then.Rules/Procedures/Common-Sense:Video and audio will be disabled when you join. In order to make sure the experience is a reasonable one for all involved, the presenter will share their screen-window-whatever they are comfortable with and you will see it quite clearly. Rather than unmute, pressing your space bar will unmute your microphone while pressed, so you can try that to ask questions. There is also the chat window, which no longer appears to obscure the rest of the session (maybe on small monitors?) Feel free to post questions and as opportunity presents itself and the presenter notices, they will get answered. After the presentation is completed, feel free to unmute and have a normal voice/video QBEGIN:VCALENDAR
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[linux] May 2021 Meeting - 2021-05-06 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

When: Thursday, May 6, 2021
Time: 19:00
Where: jitsi video conference


For those new to Linux, John has a short  talk titled: “Surprises after setup”, 
followed by a hopefully interactive talk titled "BASIC: A retrospective and 
appreciation for Linux in 2021"


After John has finished, Scott will do a talk that is partly inspired by Tug’s 
discourse on remote management of a system and a need for a TV based video 
conferencing system.

This month’s code: LinuxOttawa20210506

Meeting Details:

The meeting URL will now be a fixed URL, https://six.linux-ottawa.org and 
should be up for connection by 18:30 on meeting nights and will vanish shortly 
after the meeting has concluded. You will be joining as anonymous guests, so 
you will not have a username or password. If it asks for a username and 
password, it has not been started yet. I will be attempting to have it running 
by 18:45. It may be online earlier, but it should be online by then.


Rules/Procedures/Common-Sense:

Video and audio will be disabled when you join. In order to make sure the 
experience is a reasonable one for all involved, the presenter will share their 
screen-window-whatever they are comfortable with and you will see it quite 
clearly. Rather than unmute, pressing your space bar will unmute your 
microphone while pressed, so you can try that to ask questions. There is also 
the chat window, which no longer appears to obscure the rest of the session 
(maybe on small monitors?) Feel free to post questions and as opportunity 
presents itself and the presenter notices, they will get answered. After the 
presentation is completed, feel free to unmute and have a normal voice/video 
Q

Re: [linux] Issues, etc. from the video meetings

[Scott Murphy]

Yes it can. 

As for Chrome, there were blog posts discussing that Chrome is the most tested 
and recommended due to simulcast being enabled and stable. That was from a 
while ago, so things may have changed. I know they planned on moving to a more 
unified approach at some point, but I don’t know if they ever did it. We always 
use the latest available in the jitsi repo, so there may be features and 
support I am unaware of. While they stated Chrome, they probably include 
Chromium based browsers in that as well.



> On Apr 2, 2021, at 16:18, James  wrote:
> 
> Maybe the "secret" can just be included in the announcement?
> 
> I didn't think Chrome was open source.
> 
> Apr. 2, 2021 15:46:14 Scott Murphy :
> 
>> A few items to attempt addressing ongoing commentary from the chat and 
>> mailing list.
>> 
>> Poor performance on the call…
>> 
>> Having now had more video conference experience as a client and as a host, I 
>> can state that using WiFi (on your computer anyway) seems to be a terrible 
>> idea. The Jitsi client on my cell phone does not appear to have such an 
>> issue, at least not that I have noticed.
>> 
>> I have also done Zoom, Ring, WebEX, and Teams meetings, all of which seem to 
>> have lower reliability on a WiFi laptop than a wired one.
>> 
>> The “official” browser for jitsi is Chrome - the Jitsi website states that 
>> explicitly. Other browsers do work, but your experience may be non-optimal.
>> 
>> If you have multiple browsers open and you try the conference from one of 
>> them first, sometimes the microphone and/or camera does not get released to 
>> the new browser. Kill the old browser and restart your new one. That usually 
>> fixes it. Remember that in addition to the microphone and camera icons on 
>> the bottom of the page, you probably allowed your browser access to the 
>> hardware. There is a little icon in the URL bar that shows permissions. If 
>> you mess them up, you may need to drop the conference and reconnect to reset 
>> those permissions.
>> 
>> Audio issues. I have not yet found that the server is the issue. Linux in 
>> particular has so many ways of handling sound that it can be difficult to 
>> untangle the variety of items. Just ask John about the fun with his music 
>> player for the dance music. I have a few hardware devices I have to remember 
>> to switch to the correct positions before my sound works and that is before 
>> I get into software items.
>> 
>> Latency/video quality issues. I look at the bandwidth icon for all 
>> participants and I have no idea why some people (me included) end up with a 
>> yellow or red icon showing poor bandwidth. As far as I can tell, we all end 
>> up routing through Front St. In Toronto. I have pretty good bandwidth and my 
>> connectivity traditionally seems a bit poor. Last night, it seems great. One 
>> “fix” is to adjust your video quality to low (in the bottom right hand 
>> corner pop-up menu accessed via the three dots).
>> 
>> John has suggested that a subset of members may want to try some experiments 
>> and document their experiences to help others. Let him know if willing to 
>> participate. Expected level of effort = 1 hour to try Jitsi (via Framatalk 
>> and Jitsi itself), Google Meet and Zoom.
>> 
>> 
>> The monthly URL ’secret’...
>> 
>> I’ll post it here since it was requested: LinuxOttawaMMDD
>> 
>> The club name with mixed case followed by the date of the meeting in year, 
>> month and day format. Yesterday we used LinuxOttawa20210401, next month we 
>> will use LinuxOttawa20210506. I don’t think that is particularly difficult 
>> to follow, but I have been known to be wrong on many occasions and if people 
>> want it changed to a fixed string, we can do that. I’m not in favour, but 
>> this is a group issue and I will go with what people want.
>> 
>> I have been told that browser caching has leftovers from previous meetings 
>> in the URL cache and if you don’t complete (and check) the full URL, it 
>> could replace the URL you want by one of the old ones, so that may also be 
>> causing some issues as well.
>> 
>> 
>> DNS…
>> 
>> Since the video conference server is only used for a couple of hours a month 
>> and the existing VPS probably will not be able to host it due to resource 
>> limitations, I use a short-lived VM from a hosting provider. I do not have 
>> an IP address until I spin up the new instance and receive the new address. 
>> I then enter it with the DNS service we have. It is usually live instantly 
>> via most DNS se

[linux] Issues, etc. from the video meetings

[Scott Murphy]

A few items to attempt addressing ongoing commentary from the chat and mailing 
list.

Poor performance on the call…

Having now had more video conference experience as a client and as a host, I 
can state that using WiFi (on your computer anyway) seems to be a terrible 
idea. The Jitsi client on my cell phone does not appear to have such an issue, 
at least not that I have noticed. 

I have also done Zoom, Ring, WebEX, and Teams meetings, all of which seem to 
have lower reliability on a WiFi laptop than a wired one. 

The “official” browser for jitsi is Chrome - the Jitsi website states that 
explicitly. Other browsers do work, but your experience may be non-optimal.

If you have multiple browsers open and you try the conference from one of them 
first, sometimes the microphone and/or camera does not get released to the new 
browser. Kill the old browser and restart your new one. That usually fixes it. 
Remember that in addition to the microphone and camera icons on the bottom of 
the page, you probably allowed your browser access to the hardware. There is a 
little icon in the URL bar that shows permissions. If you mess them up, you may 
need to drop the conference and reconnect to reset those permissions.

Audio issues. I have not yet found that the server is the issue. Linux in 
particular has so many ways of handling sound that it can be difficult to 
untangle the variety of items. Just ask John about the fun with his music 
player for the dance music. I have a few hardware devices I have to remember to 
switch to the correct positions before my sound works and that is before I get 
into software items.

Latency/video quality issues. I look at the bandwidth icon for all participants 
and I have no idea why some people (me included) end up with a yellow or red 
icon showing poor bandwidth. As far as I can tell, we all end up routing 
through Front St. In Toronto. I have pretty good bandwidth and my connectivity 
traditionally seems a bit poor. Last night, it seems great. One “fix” is to 
adjust your video quality to low (in the bottom right hand corner pop-up menu 
accessed via the three dots).

John has suggested that a subset of members may want to try some experiments 
and document their experiences to help others. Let him know if willing to 
participate. Expected level of effort = 1 hour to try Jitsi (via Framatalk and 
Jitsi itself), Google Meet and Zoom.


The monthly URL ’secret’...

I’ll post it here since it was requested: LinuxOttawaMMDD

The club name with mixed case followed by the date of the meeting in year, 
month and day format. Yesterday we used LinuxOttawa20210401, next month we will 
use LinuxOttawa20210506. I don’t think that is particularly difficult to 
follow, but I have been known to be wrong on many occasions and if people want 
it changed to a fixed string, we can do that. I’m not in favour, but this is a 
group issue and I will go with what people want.

I have been told that browser caching has leftovers from previous meetings in 
the URL cache and if you don’t complete (and check) the full URL, it could 
replace the URL you want by one of the old ones, so that may also be causing 
some issues as well.


DNS…

Since the video conference server is only used for a couple of hours a month 
and the existing VPS probably will not be able to host it due to resource 
limitations, I use a short-lived VM from a hosting provider. I do not have an 
IP address until I spin up the new instance and receive the new address. I then 
enter it with the DNS service we have. It is usually live instantly via most 
DNS services as the elapsed month has flushed it from most caches. I have seen 
it not resolve a few times the past from some upstream systems and resolve from 
others. In genera, it is live within a minute of getting the record, which also 
has a 5 minute life span, so it should refresh quickly. 

Chrome (and others) seem to have issues with cleanly accessing sites that they 
have had issues with before, probably internal caching, some less than optimal 
DNS code or a wealth of other issues (e.g. cookies) that we will likely never 
know about. Try it in an incognito window and see if it works there. If not, do 
a check on the command line. Try a different DNS service. Here is a list of 
well known ones:

OpenDNS - 208.67.222.222
Cloudflare = 1.1.1.1
Google Public DNS - 8.8.8.8
Comodo Secure DNS - 8.26.56.26
Quad9 - 9.9.9.9
Verisign Public DNS - 64.6.65.6
OpenNIC - 13.239.157.177
UncensoredDNS - 91.239.100.100
CleanBrowsing - 185.228.168.168
Yandex DNS (Russia) - 77.88.8.7
UltraRecursive DNS - 156.154.70.1
Alternate DNS - 198.101.242.72
AdGuard DNS - 176.103.130.130


Video server readiness…

My bad here. Setup time always sneaks up on me.

 I should have automated it months ago, but I was having a “it only takes 15 
minutes” mental block. Yeah, it only takes 15 minutes if nothing else is going 
on and I’m actually engaged in what I’m doing. I know better at work and have a 

[linux] Resend: April 2021 Meeting & AGM - 2021-04-01 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

Apparently I left the When line as March 4 in the previous email. For those who 
pay attention, that has been corrected :)

When: Thursday, April 1, 2021
Time: 19:00
Where: jitsi video conference

The first part of the meeting will be the Annual General Meeting (AGM). As most 
of you know, we are a registered non-profit and we are required to hold an AGM 
where we perform elections. Quorum is 15 people and the format is short and 
sinmple. This year more so than usual. If you will not be there, make sure you 
send a proxy.

After the AGM, we will have our regular talks.

For those new to Linux, John has a talk titled: “Getting the software you want 
installed”

After John has finished, Scott will do a talk on building the Raspberry Pi 
based KVM he demonstrated at the March meeting as well as why you may want one.



Meeting Details:

The meeting URL will now be a fixed URL, https://six.linux-ottawa.org and 
should be up for connection by 18:30 on meeting nights and will vanish shortly 
after the meeting has concluded. The codewords that you need will also be 
predictable so that you no longer need the email with them to join. Hopefully 
you are on the mailing list so you will know the pattern. If not, it is in the 
list archive and you just append it to the meeting URL. Since you will be 
joining as anonymous guests, you will not have a username or password. If it 
asks for a username and password, it has not been started yet. I will be 
attempting to have it running by 18:45. It may be online earlier, but it should 
be online by then.


Rules/Procedures/Common-Sense:

Video and audio will be disabled when you join. In order to make sure the 
experience is a reasonable one for all involved, the presenter will share their 
screen-window-whatever they are comfortable with and you will see it quite 
clearly. Rather than unmute, pressing your space bar will unmute your 
microphone while pressed, so you can try that to ask questions. There is also 
the chat window, which no longer appears to obscure the rest of the session 
(maybe on small monitors?) Feel free to post questions and as opportunity 
presents itself and the presenter notices, they will get answered. After the 
presentation is completed, feel free to unmute and have a normal voice/video 
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[linux] April 2021 Meeting & AGM - 2021-04-01 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

When: Thursday, March 4, 2021
Time: 19:00
Where: jitsi video conference

The first part of the meeting will be the Annual General Meeting (AGM). As most 
of you know, we are a registered non-profit and we are required to hold an AGM 
where we perform elections. Quorum is 15 people and the format is short and 
sinmple. This year more so than usual. If you will not be there, make sure you 
send a proxy.

After the AGM, we will have our regular talks.

For those new to Linux, John has a talk titled: “Getting the software you want 
installed”

After John has finished, Scott will do a talk on building the Raspberry Pi 
based KVM he demonstrated at the March meeting as well as why you may want one.



Meeting Details:

The meeting URL will now be a fixed URL, https://six.linux-ottawa.org and 
should be up for connection by 18:30 on meeting nights and will vanish shortly 
after the meeting has concluded. The codewords that you need will also be 
predictable so that you no longer need the email with them to join. Hopefully 
you are on the mailing list so you will know the pattern. If not, it is in the 
list archive and you just append it to the meeting URL. Since you will be 
joining as anonymous guests, you will not have a username or password. If it 
asks for a username and password, it has not been started yet. I will be 
attempting to have it running by 18:45. It may be online earlier, but it should 
be online by then.


Rules/Procedures/Common-Sense:

Video and audio will be disabled when you join. In order to make sure the 
experience is a reasonable one for all involved, the presenter will share their 
screen-window-whatever they are comfortable with and you will see it quite 
clearly. Rather than unmute, pressing your space bar will unmute your 
microphone while pressed, so you can try that to ask questions. There is also 
the chat window, which no longer appears to obscure the rest of the session 
(maybe on small monitors?) Feel free to post questions and as opportunity 
presents itself and the presenter notices, they will get answered. After the 
presentation is completed, feel free to unmute and have a normal voice/video 
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Re: [linux] using laptop as wireless access file server / Gramps ideas

[Scott Murphy]

Check out the Raspberry Pi Pirate Box or the Library Box. I did a talk on the 
Pi version at Algonquin a few years ago. It may be exactly what you are looking 
for. There have been a few derives since then.

It appears that the pirate box is no longer maintained, and there are a few 
alternatives. Maybe freedom Box is the answer. I don’t know how good it would 
be without an Internet connection, as it is designed to work as a community 
mesh network. Again, it may serve for what you would like.

https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox

This may be a gook place to get additional ideas: http://nethood.org/links/

> On Mar 26, 2021, at 13:47, J C Nash  wrote:
> 
> This is a request to chat/email rather than specific query.
> 
> I've an old Asus EEE Netbook (Bunsenlabs Lithium) that
> has about 20G of SSD and 2GB RAM which is quite good for the
> 2008-era tiny laptop. Thought I would try out setting it up to
> serve files via WiFi. When travelling my wife and I could
> access the same family history files and avoid thunb-drive
> chaos, though I'm thinking I'll switch to a Raspberry Pi for
> serious use.
> 
> I'm "getting there", and have managed to get SSID to display
> and client machine to try to connect. I know I've NOT yet got
> the DHCP set up right.
> 
> While I'm sure that plenty of checking with various postings and
> tutorials will get me to the goal line, if anyone has interest in
> this sort of project and/or expertise, it would be helpful to chat
> and find out what are the key ingredients for success in this.
> I can mostly figure out the general purpose of the different config
> file entries, but not the details, which ultimately might be
> important.
> 
> A related effort is into using Gramps under such a setup. Gramps
> seems unusually focussed on single user, single machine mode, which
> is very unfortunate, but it is open source (Python). I've been
> documenting how it structures its data and backups and got a
> workable if clunky setup using our Synology Diskstation in an
> export, work, re-import mode, though without locking yet. If of
> interest, get in touch. I plan to make public what I work out (on
> 2nd try at the moment -- R Pi share for data was too slow for
> reasonable use -- interface was slow and jerky). That is,
> assuming I resolve all the nasty details.
> 
> Cheers, John Nash
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[linux] Linux-Ottawa AGM - Thursday April 1, 2021 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

Reminder: 

Our AGM is April 1. If you do not expect to be there, please provide a proxy 
so we don’t have to keep announcing it if we do not have a quorum. Proxy 
instructions are below, along with a sample. We can also handle an additional 
board member so if someone wants to be part of coordinating the group, 
self-nomination is permitted. Send an email to:

  secretary  linux  ottawa  org

with your nomination. 

The target number we need is 15 people/proxies. This wasreduced from 25 at 
the 2020 AGM due to the amount of effort to get people to attend.

Our monthly meetings have been getting close to this number, so it appears to 
be a
Reasonable number. Please either attend or send your proxy.

The current slate is:

Bruce Davis
Ian Gorman
Scott Murphy
John Nash
Tug Williams

We don’t have much to discuss, as we have been virtual for a year now:

No real spending (~1.00/meeting for virtual server fees)
No income
No events
Monthly Meetings via Jitsi



===
NOTE: An additional email will cover the April talks.
===

-
Proxy Instructions…
-

Proxies can be registered by sending an email to either John Nash (john dot
nash at uottawa dot ca) or Scott Murphy (scott dot murphy at linux dash ottawa
dot org) prior to 17:00 on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 so that we have a record
prior to the election. The email should be in the form of the example in the
bylaws, replicated below:

cut——

OTTAWA CANADA LINUX USERS GROUP Proxy Appointment

The undersigned member of the OTTAWA CANADA LINUX USERS GROUP hereby
appoints _ of _ or
failing in person appointed above, _ of
_ as the proxy of the undersigned to attend and
act at the OCLUG meeting to be held on the day of _,
and at any adjournment thereof in the same manner, to the same extent and
with the same power as if the undersigned were present.

Dated this day of _.

Legal name of Member: _.

Email address of Member: _.

—cut—

At the request of another board member to ensure the above makes sense, 
the following is an example of filled out example would look something like:


OTTAWA CANADA LINUX USERS GROUP Proxy Appointment

The undersigned member of the OTTAWA CANADA LINUX USERS GROUP hereby
appoints Scott Murphy of Ottawa or failing in person appointed above,
John Nash of Ottawa as the proxy of the undersigned to attend and
act at the OCLUG meeting to be held on the day of April 9, 2020,
and at any adjournment thereof in the same manner, to the same extent and
with the same power as if the undersigned were present.

Dated this day of _March_31,_2021_.

Legal name of Member: _Tux_T._Penguin_.

Email address of Member: _tux@linux-ottawa.org_.



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[linux] March 2021 Meeting - 2021-03-04 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

When: Thursday, March 4, 2021
Time: 19:00
Where: jitsi video conference

Just a reminder that the first part of the meeting will be concentrating on 
those new to Linux as a way to get people started.

For those new to Linux, John has a talk titled: “Decisions when setting up a 
new system”

The second talk will be a demo from Scott on the Pi based KVM over IP mentioned 
during the last meeting and if there is sufficient interest, a future talk on 
building one, why you might want one and a host of expansion ideas.

And we have a third talk from Tug titled: “Choirs of Covid: What if your thing 
is live collaborative music?”



Meeting Details:

The meeting URL will now be a fixed URL, https://six.linux-ottawa.org and 
should be up for connection by 18:30 on meeting nights and will vanish shortly 
after the meeting has concluded. The codewords that you need will also be 
predictable so that you no longer need the email with them to join. Hopefully 
you are on the mailing list so you will know the pattern. If not, it is in the 
list archive and you just append it to the meeting URL. Since you will be 
joining as anonymous guests, you will not have a username or password. If it 
asks for a username and password, it has not been started yet. I will be 
attempting to have it running by 18:45. It may be online earlier, but it should 
be online by then.


Rules/Procedures/Common-Sense:

Video and audio will be disabled when you join. In order to make sure the 
experience is a reasonable one for all involved, the presenter will share their 
screen-window-whatever they are comfortable with and you will see it quite 
clearly. Rather than unmute, pressing your space bar will unmute your 
microphone while pressed, so you can try that to ask questions. There is also 
the chat window, which no longer appears to obscure the rest of the session 
(maybe on small monitors?) Feel free to post questions and as opportunity 
presents itself and the presenter notices, they will get answered. After the 
presentation is completed, feel free to unmute and have a normal voice/video 
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[linux] January 2021 Meeting - 2021-01-07 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

When: Thursday, February 4, 2021
Time: 19:00
Where: jitsi video conference

Just a reminder that the first part of the meeting will be concentrating on 
those new to Linux as a way to get people started.

The first talk will be a walkthrough on burning an image and performing the 
initial install by Scott.

The second part will be a discussion in lightweight images from JF

If we get through this relatively quickly, Scott has an additional item for 
discussion.


Meeting Details:

The meeting URL will now be a fixed URL, https://six.linux-ottawa.org 
 and should be up for connection by 18:30 on 
meeting nights and will vanish shortly after the meeting has concluded. The 
codewords that you need will also be predictable so that you no longer need the 
email with them to join. Hopefully you are on the mailing list so you will know 
the pattern. If not, it is in the list archive and you just append it to the 
meeting URL. Since you will be joining as anonymous guests, you will not have a 
username or password. if it asks for a username and password, it has not been 
started yet. I will be attempting to have it running by 18:45. It may be online 
earlier, but it should be online by then.


Rules/Procedures/Common-Sense:

Video and audio will be disabled when you join. In order to make sure the 
experience is a reasonable one for all involved, the presenter will share their 
screen-window-whatever they are comfortable with and you will see it quite 
clearly. Rather than unmute, pressing your space bar is supposed to unmute your 
microphone while pressed, so you can try that to ask questions. There is also 
the chat window, which no longer appears to obscure the rest of the session 
(maybe on small monitors?) Feel free to post questions and as opportunity 
presents itself and the presenter notices, they will get answered. After the 
presentation is completed, feel free to unmute and have a normal voice/video 
Q

Re: [linux] Motherboard Layout Poblem

[Scott Murphy]

A bus extender may work, however they can cost money. 

In addition, if the graphics card in the PCIE16 slot covers the PCIE1 slot, it 
is also possible that when the PCIE16 slot is in use for a graphics card, the 
PCIE1 slot next to it is not usable. I know that is true of my recent 
motherboard. You should check your manual and see. In that case, you are 
probably stuck with the PCI option or a USB solution (and higher end ones are 
more expensive than the PCI option).

> On Jan 14, 2021, at 3:11 PM, Shawn H Corey  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have an older system with a Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 Motherboard and I want 
> to add a Wifi/Bluetooth card to it. The motherboard has a PCIE16, a PCE1, and 
> a PCI slot. The problem is the graphics card uses the PCIE16 slot and covers 
> the PCE1 slot leaving only the older PCI slot.
> 
> All of the cards I have looked at are PCIE cards, which of course, won't work 
> in this setup. I could get a PCI-to-PCIE adapter card but those are around 
> $60 each.
> 
> Does anyone know a good (and by good I mean cheap) solution to this?
> 

[linux] technical difficulties. going to take about 15 minutes

[Scott Murphy]

Looks like it got messed up. faster to rebuild than continue debugging.

we should be online by 19:15


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[linux] January 2021 Meeting - 2021-01-07 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

When: Thursday, January 7, 2021
Time: 19:00
Where: jitsi video conference

Happy New Year to all!

Welcome to the new year and a newly reworked meeting item, getting started with 
Linux. We have decided to attempt to formally add some "new to Linux" 
information at the beginning of the meetings for the first few months of 2021 
and see how it goes. 

This material may also be of help to those who use linux but can benefit from 
more information that is hopefully presented in a way that is friendly to 
non-technical users.

As was mentioned a message or two ago, we want to try a getting started stream 
as we expect there are a number of people who really don’t know how to get 
started and as a result, can’t even formulate what they want to ask since they 
are not sufficiently familiar with the system to do so. In order to provide a 
jump start, we are going to take a few people who are “new to Linux” through 
picking a distro from a very small set (to keep solutions similar), get them to 
install it, and them get them comfortable with using it. We will document the 
process and build an intro doc from it as something that can be referenced on 
the wiki. There can be additional modules later on specific tasks, such as 
backups, maintenance, upgrades, etc. Input will be welcome.

Well, that is the intent anyway. We will see how it goes and adjust as 
necessary.

How will this affect the normal meetings?

The object is to work on the new program items as the first part and have a 
second talk to follow on a different, more general, or related topic, possibly 
in more depth. January will be a little different, as we have a second talk 
proposed by JF to discuss setting up a distro, which I believe he had suggested 
Ubuntu. This works well, as we were considering keeping the choices to Ubuntu 
derivatives.


Meeting Details:

The meeting URL will now be a fixed URL, https://six.linux-ottawa.org and 
should be up for connection by 18:30 on meeting nights and will vanish shortly 
after the meeting has concluded. The codewords that you need will also be 
predictable so that you no longer need the email with them to join. Hopefully 
you are on the mailing list so you will know the pattern. If not, it is in the 
list archive and you just append it to the meeting URL. Since you will be 
joining as anonymous guests, you will not have a username or password. if it 
asks for a username and password, it has not been started yet. I will be 
attempting to have it running by 18:45. It may be online earlier, but it should 
be online by then.


Rules/Procedures/Common-Sense:

Video and audio will be disabled when you join. In order to make sure the 
experience is a reasonable one for all involved, the presenter will share their 
screen-window-whatever they are comfortable with and you will see it quite 
clearly. Rather than unmute, pressing your space bar is supposed to unmute your 
microphone while pressed, so you can try that to ask questions. There is also 
the chat window, which no longer appears to obscure the rest of the session 
(maybe on small monitors?) Feel free to post questions and as opportunity 
presents itself and the presenter notices, they will get answered. After the 
presentation is completed, feel free to unmute and have a normal voice/video 
Q

[linux] I need to be more explicit I guess :)

[Scott Murphy]

https://six.linux-ottawa.org/LinuxOttawa20201203

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[linux] December 2020 Meeting - 2020-12-03 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

When: Thursday, December 3, 2020
Time: 19:00
Where: jitsi video conference

This month is the annual scripting talk/open discussion. We have at least 
three items lined up and are hoping for some scripting items from the general
membership, so feel free to volunteer a pet script or a scripting question.
Scripting is a pretty open topic, not just limited to shells, but any 
scripting language is fair game. Maybe there will be something new.
If anyone is interested in doing a short ~5 minute talk on some scripting 
aspect, feel free to let the secretary ( at ) 
know that you are interested so we can line them up. As mentioned above, it 
can be about anything, something new you have discovered, a problem you are 
having, etc. 



Meeting Details:

The meeting URL will now be a fixed URL, https://six.linux-ottawa.org and 
should be up for connection by 18:30 on meeting nights and will vanish shortly 
after the meeting has concluded. The codewords that you need will also be 
predictable so that you no longer need the email with them to join. Hopefully 
you are on the mailing list so you will know the pattern. At this time, we
will be using LinuxOttawaMMDD 


Rules/Procedures/Common-Sense:

Video and audio will be disabled when you join. In order to make sure the 
experience is a reasonable one for all involved, the presenter will share 
their screen-window-whatever they are comfortable with and you will see it
quite clearly. Rather than unmute, pressing your space bar is supposed to 
unmute your microphone while pressed, so you can try that to ask questions.
There is also the chat window, which no longer appears to obscure the rest
of the session (maybe on small monitors?) Feel free to post questions and
as opportunity presents itself and the presenter notices, they will get 
answered. After the presentation is completed, feel free to unmute and have
a normal voice/video Q



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[linux] references from the OpenSTV talk

[Scott Murphy]

For more information see

http://www.fairvote.org/
http://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote
https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/how-should-i-run-my-community-elections
http://www.dia.govt.nz/diawebsite.NSF/Files/meekm/%24file/meekm.pdf
https://youtu.be/yhO6jfHPFQU
https://github.com/conservancy/voting

The last link is the software I was planning on demoing, but it requires old 
PHP, 4 probably and I had 7 installed. Maybe a short demo in the future, or a 
short video showing the vote process, the processing, and the results.
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[linux] I guess my "pattern" was not obvious

[Scott Murphy]

https://six.linux-ottawa.org/LinuxOttawa20201105

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[linux] November 2020 Meeting - 2020-11-05 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

When: Thursday, November 5, 2020
Time: 19:00
Where: jitsi video conference

As per our new normal, we will utilize jitsi for our meeting.

This month we have three short talks on the topic of e-voting.
The first will be from John on e-voting systems thenselves.
The second from Scott on experiences with a specific evoting system.
The third will be from Tug on open vs. closed source e-voting systems.
Discussion and questions welcome.

As a reminder, we have scheduled a scripting talk for the December meeting for 
the past couple of years and we intend to continue the tradition, so if anyone 
is interested in doing a short ~5 minute talk on some scripting aspect, feel 
free to let the secretary ( at ) know that you are 
interested so we can line them up.

It can be about anything, something new you have discovered, a problem you are 
having, etc. 

Meeting Details:


The meeting URL will now be a fixed URL, https://six.linux-ottawa.org and 
should be up for connection by 18:30 on meeting nights and will vanish shortly 
after the meeting has concluded. The codewords that you need will also be 
predictable so that you no longer need the email with them to join. Hopefully 
you are on the mailing list so you will know the pattern. At this time, we
will be using LinuxOttawaMMDD 


Rules/Procedures/Common-Sense:

Similar to last time, your output video and audio will be disabled when
you join. In order to make sure the experience is a reasonable one for
all involved, the presenter will share their screen-window-whatever they
are comfortable with and you will see it quite clearly. Rather than
unmute, pressing your space bar is supposed to unmute your microphone
while pressed, so you can try that to ask questions. There is also the
chat window, but when it is active it obscures part of the screen. Feel
free to post questions and as opportunity presents itself and the
presenter notices, they will get answered. After the presentation is
completed, feel free to unmute and have a normal voice/video Q

[linux] meeting info, just in case

[Scott Murphy]

In case you didn’t read the post, here is the link for tonight.

https://six.linux-ottawa.org/LinuxOttawa20201001
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[linux] Correction - October 2020 Meeting - 2020-10-01 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

When: Thursday, October 1, 2020
Time: 19:00
Where: jitsi video conference (details to follow)

As per our new normal, we will utilize jitsi for our meeting.

This month we have a talk from Scott Murphy on firewalls.

This is going to be a two part talk, the first being hardware for the purpose 
of acting as a firewall and the second will be on the linux firewall itself.

This will not be a deep dive on firewalls, but rather a discussion on hardware
options and a short usage case that highlights some of the fun in the current
firewalld implementation which should be at least mildly entertaining.

Discussion and questions welcome.

Meeting Details:

The meeting URL will now be a fixed URL, https://six.linux-ottawa.org and 
should be up for connection by 18:30 on meeting nights and will vanish shortly 
after the meeting has concluded. The codewords that you need will also be 
predictable so that you no longer need the email with them to join. Hopefully 
you are on the mailing list so you will know the pattern. At this time, we
will be using LinuxOttawaMMDD 


Rules/Procedures/Common-Sense:

Similar to last time, your output video and audio will be disabled when
you join. In order to make sure the experience is a reasonable one for
all involved, the presenter will share their screen-window-whatever they
are comfortable with and you will see it quite clearly. Rather than
unmute, pressing your space bar is supposed to unmute your microphone
while pressed, so you can try that to ask questions. There is also the
chat window, but when it is active it obscures part of the screen. Feel
free to post questions and as opportunity presents itself and the
presenter notices, they will get answered. After the presentation is
completed, feel free to unmute and have a normal voice/video Q



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[linux] September 2020 Meeting - 2020-09-03 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

When: Thursday, October 1, 2020
Time: 19:00
Where: jitsi video conference (details to follow)

As per our new normal, we will utilize jitsi for our meeting.

This month we have a talk from Scott Murphy on firewalls.

This is going to be a two part talk, the first being hardware for the purpose 
of acting as a firewall and the second will be on the linux firewall itself.

This will not be a deep dive on firewalls, but rather a discussion on hardware
options and a short usage case that highlights some of the fun in the current
firewalld implementation which should be at least mildly entertaining.

Discussion and questions welcome.

Meeting Details:

The meeting URL will now be a fixed URL, https://six.linux-ottawa.org and 
should be up for connection by 18:30 on meeting nights and will vanish shortly 
after the meeting has concluded. The codewords that you need will also be 
predictable so that you no longer need the email with them to join. Hopefully 
you are on the mailing list so you will know the pattern. At this time, we
will be using LinuxOttawaMMDD 


Rules/Procedures/Common-Sense:

Similar to last time, your output video and audio will be disabled when
you join. In order to make sure the experience is a reasonable one for
all involved, the presenter will share their screen-window-whatever they
are comfortable with and you will see it quite clearly. Rather than
unmute, pressing your space bar is supposed to unmute your microphone
while pressed, so you can try that to ask questions. There is also the
chat window, but when it is active it obscures part of the screen. Feel
free to post questions and as opportunity presents itself and the
presenter notices, they will get answered. After the presentation is
completed, feel free to unmute and have a normal voice/video Q



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[linux] Fwd: installing Linux mint

[Scott Murphy]

I’d take it, but typing is a problem right now.

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Yasar Kumas 
> Subject: installing Linux mint 
> Date: July 2, 2020 at 8:30:18 PM EDT
> To: "c...@linux-ottawa.org" 
> 
> Hello,
>  
> I have an Acer E15 computer with windows 10 (64 bit) and would like to 
> install and learn the above operating system on my machine. Is there anyone 
> who could help me with it? I have tried to create a bootable usb drive with 
> iso image file on it but didn't get anywhere in the last 3 days.
>  
> Thank you
>  
> Mac Kumas
>  
>  
> Sent from Mail  for Windows 10

[linux] Meeting Details

[Scott Murphy]

Scott Murphy is inviting you to a meeting.

Join the meeting:
https://meet07.linux-ottawa.org/LinuxOttawa2020July1900


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[linux] July 2020 Meeting - 2020-07-02 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

When: Thursday, July 2, 2020
Time: 19:00
Where: jitsi video conference (details to follow)

As per our new normal, we will utilize jitsi for our meeting.

This month we have two talks, a main one and a follow-up to last month.

The talk will be an energetic op-ed on the failure of design methodologies from 
Tug. Prepare to be entertained/appalled/etc. I do not know the details and 
think the mystery is more of a draw than the details would be.

The second one will be much shorter and is a bit of a follow-up on the talk 
from last month driven by the post-meeting chat on conferencing gear.  

Meeting Details:

The meeting URL and code words will be emailed around 18:30 so there is a 
potential for some social time prior to getting started.

Rules/Procedures/Common-Sense:

Similar to last time, your output video and audio will be disabled when you 
join. In order to make sure the experience is a reasonable one for all 
involved, the presenter will share their screen-window-whatever they are 
comfortable with and you will see it quite clearly. Rather than unmute, 
pressing your space bar is supposed to unmute your microphone while pressed, so 
you can try that to ask questions. There is also the chat window, but when it 
is active it obscures part of the screen. Feel free to post questions and as 
opportunity presents itself and the presenter notices, they will get answered. 
After the presentation is completed, feel free to unmute and have a normal 
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[linux] Info for tonight...

[Scott Murphy]

You are invited to join a meeting.
Join the meeting:
https://meet06.linux-ottawa.org/LinuxOttawaJune2020


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[linux] June 2020 Meeting - 2020-06-04 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

When: Thursday, June 4, 2020
Time: 19:00
Where: jitsi video conference (details to follow)

The video conference from last month seemed to go well, so we will try again 
this month.

We will go with jitsi again, and the talk will be about spinning up a jitsi 
server using a disposable cloud service for the server, hopefully with a demo 
one being spun up so we can potentially change over to the second one as a 
functional test. The URL and code words will be emailed around 18:30 so there 
is a potential for some social time prior to getting started.

Similar to last time, your output video and audio will be disabled when you 
join. In order to make sure the experience is a reasonable one for all 
involved, the presenter will share their screen-window-whatever they are 
comfortable with and you will see it quite clearly.

There is a chat window, but when it is active it obscures part of the screen. 
Feel free to post questions and as opportunity presents itself and the 
presenter notices, they will get answered. Just in case they are ignored for 
too long, there will be an appointed chat moderator, so if the questions start 
piling up, they can unmute and interrupt the presenter in order to answer the 
questions. After the presentation is completed, feel free to unmute and have a 
normal voice/video Q

Cheers,
Scott

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Re: [linux] Reminder: May 2020 AGM & meeting - The Open Source Edition. 2020-05-07 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

I can. I was going to go over the whole thing as a talk for the next meeting. 
It went better than I had expected as well. at peak, we were at 26 viewers and 
other than some audio clipping, it seemed to work very well. This was also 
hosted on a cloud provider with a Toronto presence, so the server was in their 
Toronto data centre. If we can get people to wait, I’ll go through the whole 
thing at the next meeting. It will be kind of meta, as I can build one live 
while we watch on another. There are also a couple of extras that I didn’t get 
to play with, as I had other things keeping me busy. 

> On May 12, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Brett Delmage 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 6 May 2020, Scott Murphy wrote:
> 
>> After the AGM, we will have a “normal” meeting. Given the uncertain state of 
>> future meetings, I am thinking that we will end up on an open source 
>> platform for meetings for quite some time yet. We are going to use jitsi 
>> this month for the talk portion.
> 
> Scott,
> 
> Thanks for organizing that.
> 
> You mentioned the technical details of your server operation at the end of 
> the meeting.
> 
> Could you repeat those technical details again here please? It would be a 
> helpful starting point for those of us who are contemplating using Jitsi for 
> other meetings.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> (For those of you who did not participate, the video presentation and 
> discussion following it went quite well, to me anyway.)
> 
> Brett


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[linux] Reminder: May 2020 AGM & meeting - The Open Source Edition. 2020-05-07 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

This is a reminder email about the AGM and Meeting tomorrow evening

The previous email had May 8th in the subject. It is May 7, just in case you 
are having issues tracking days under the current social distancing and group 
restrictions.

Also, in case you need reminders for the IRC meeting location:

Secure IRC:  ircs://irc.oftc.net:6697/oclug
Regular IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net:6667/oclug
Browser URL: https://webchat.oftc.net Pick a nickname and join #oclug

When: Thursday, May 7, 2020
Time: 19:00
Where: irc://irc.oftc.net/oclug

The AGM v2.0

Given the commentary on the list and lack of turnout for the AGM in April, we 
are going with IRC for May.

To at least pay lip service to the AGM requirements, we need 25 people who are 
online to direct message our secretary with their email address either before 
or during during the AGM.

If that doesn’t work, we will try something else in June.

So rather than spend time writing things out at the AGM, we have the same 
people willing to be in the board. If  someone else wants to be on the board, 
feel free to self-nominate prior to the AGM, or at the beginning of the AGM. 
There will be an opportunity to do so.

A single item for voting on at the AGM:

1) Reduce the size of the quorum for an election. Given how much begging we 
have had to do in the past to get the 25 names, I want to reduce it to 10. If 
we can’t get 10 people to attend the next AGM in person, then we have little 
reason to continue as a registered non-profit corp. That is a potential 
discussion item for the future. We consistently get 10+ people at physical 
meetings but not always 15. That makes 10 a reasonable number to manage.

After the AGM, we will have a “normal” meeting. Given the uncertain state of 
future meetings, I am thinking that we will end up on an open source platform 
for meetings for quite some time yet. We are going to use jitsi this month for 
the talk portion. In order to make it easy for the presenter, the service will 
be moderated. The info will be given on the IRC channel after the AGM.

How we will manage this herd of cats...

Your output video and audio will be disabled when you join. In order to make 
sure the experience is a reasonable one for all involved, the presenter will 
share their screen/window/whatever they are comfortable with and you will see 
it quite clearly if the test we did are any indicator. Since we do not know how 
many will be viewing, it will be a little hard to manage questions, so if you 
have them, feel free to ask them in the chat window. Since the person doing the 
presentation will not be reading the chat window, the moderator will read the 
questions out.

This should keep it manageable. After the representation is finished, I’ll stop 
muting all but the presenter. We can even try enabling video to see how 
good/bad it is. There will only be the one talk this month, as we don’t know 
how well it will go.

This format is subject to evolution, as I expect that video conference software 
will undergo some rapid improvement over the next few months given the demand 
currently out there. Not that I’m recommending them, but I saw a note that Zoom 
is currently processing just shy of 280PiB of data/month. I have no idea what 
services like Netflix and Disney+ are processing, but the demands have gone up 
considerably.

In June, we may give big blue button a try. That take a little more effort to 
install than jitsi, so I went with the easier of the two for the first attempt.

Assuming the video meeting goes well, we will return to our normal schedule of 
the first Thursday of the month @ 19:00, conference to be open earlier than 
that for Q, ending by 21:30. Some of us may have to be up early.

Cheers,
Scott

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[linux] May 2020 AGM & meeting - The Open Source Edition. 2020-05-08 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

When: Thursday, May 7, 2020
Time: 19:00
Where: irc://irc.oftc.net/oclug

The AGM v2.

Given the commentary on the list and lack of turnout for the AGM in April, we 
are going with IRC for May.

To at least pay lip service to the AGM requirements, we need 25 people who are 
online to direct message our secretary with their email address either before 
or during during the AGM.

If that doesn’t work, we will try something else in June.

So rather than spend time writing things out at the AGM, we have the same 
people willing to be in the board. If  someone else wants to be on the board, 
feel free to self-nominate prior to the AGM, or at the beginning of the AGM. 
There will be an opportunity to do so.

A single item for voting on at the AGM:

1) Reduce the size of the quorum for an election. Given how much begging we 
have had to do in the past to get the 25 names, I want to reduce it to 10. If 
we can’t get 10 people to attend the next AGM in person, then we have little 
reason to continue as a registered non-profit corp. That is a potential 
discussion item for the future. We consistently get 10+ people at physical 
meetings but not always 15. That makes 10 a reasonable number to manage.

After the AGM, we will have a “normal” meeting. Given the uncertain state of 
future meetings, I am thinking that we will end up on an open source platform 
for meetings for quite some time yet. We are going to use jitsi this month for 
the talk portion. In order to make it easy for the presenter, the service will 
be moderated. The info will be given on the IRC channel after the AGM.

How we will manage this herd of cats...

Your output video and audio will be disabled when you join. In order to make 
sure the experience is a reasonable one for all involved, the presenter will 
share their screen/window/whatever they are comfortable with and you will see 
it quite clearly if the test we did are any indicator. Since we do not know how 
many will be viewing, it will be a little hard to manage questions, so if you 
have them, feel free to ask them in the chat window. Since the person doing the 
presentation will not be reading the chat window, the moderator will read the 
questions out.

This should keep it manageable. After the representation is finished, I’ll stop 
muting all but the presenter. We can even try enabling video to see how 
good/bad it is. There will only be the one talk this month, as we don’t know 
how well it will go.

This format is subject to evolution, as I expect that video conference software 
will undergo some rapid improvement over the next few months given the demand 
currently out there. Not that I’m recommending them, but I saw a note that Zoom 
is currently processing just shy of 280PiB of data/month. I have no idea what 
services like Netflix and Disney+ are processing, but the demands have gone up 
considerably.

In June, we may give big blue button a try. That take a little more effort to 
install than jitsi, so I went with the easier of the two for the first attempt.

Assuming the video meeting goes well, we will return to our normal schedule of 
the first Thursday of the month @ 19:00, conference to be open earlier than 
that for Q, ending by 21:30. Some of us may have to be up early.

Cheers,
Scott

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Re: [linux] AGM -- NOW!

[Scott Murphy]

Yes, there is a browser interface as well. Might even be linked on the screen 
somewhere.

Sorry for missing the meeting, I fell asleep. It has been a long week with 
early days and late nights. We will use IRC for the next attempt, so I suppose 
it could be done pretty much any time, but it would be easier to do it at the 
beginning of the next meeting.

There are a lot of IRC clients, given that is has been around forever (1988). 
Having a few weeks before the next meeting will give people time to get a 
client and attempt connecting. I will add a wiki item that has the details, 
although it is probably already in there somewhere, maybe in multiple places. 
This will be linked on the main page.

Scott

> On Apr 9, 2020, at 10:00 PM, J C Nash  wrote:
> 
> I'd prefer an open-source solution too.
> 
> I've used irc before and have no objection but one -- hexchat is not letting
> me connect.
> 
> Is there a simple interface somewhere to an IRC client?  Whatever the 
> complaints
> about Slack, they've done a reasonable job of the interface.
> 
> JN
> 
> 
> 
> On 2020-04-09 9:10 p.m., Brett Delmage wrote:
>> On Thu, 9 Apr 2020, Richard Guy Briggs wrote:
>> 
>>> 12 showed up.  I held my nose and created an account just for this.
>>> There are 18 regularly on irc://oftc.net/#oclug which is an open
>>> technology.  I'd suggest a number didn't show up due to the choice of
>>> proprietary venue.  Can we please live our values and do dogfooding?
>> 
>> I agree with this.
>> 
>> Also, I did not have time to arrange anything.
>> 
>> I'd be open to joining irc for an AGM.
>> 
>> In any case, how would authentication work, to ensure an honest vote?
>> 
>> Brett
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[linux] April 202 meeting & AGM - sort of...

[Scott Murphy]

Just to let you know officially, the physical meeting is not happening this 
month.

I’ve been a bit busy over the past few days so I didn’t really get a chance to 
get this email out sooner. I’ll claim general tiredness as the culprit.

So.. our AGM.

We have been having our board meetings over Slack for the past while and while 
I am ambivalent about it, it does have a nice interface and we are using the 
free tier, so it is not costing us. We could have the AGM via slack tomorrow 
evening at 19:00. This will not be the normal forum for future meetings, just a 
temporary measure.

There won’t be too much to say other than we have as many people willing to 
remain on the board as we had last year and if anyone wants to self-nominate, 
feel free to do so.

If we meet up electronically tomorrow, as in I expect the board will be online 
and if we get sufficient people, we will have the election. Assuming we go 
forward with it, we will need some method of “making it correct” since we can’t 
meet in person, so the membership requirement is that be registered on the 
mailing list. If you decide to join up for the meeting, you can private message 
the secretary wit the name you are using on slack and your email address. We 
will probably want to propose a bylaw change to handle something like a 
pandemic and social distancing, as I doubt we will be meeting in person any 
time soon.

As for future meetings, I am going to see if I can get a server running one of 
the open source systems like jitsi or big blue button running. Once it is 
available, I’ll send a message for some testers. I don’t want to overload it 
immediately, so I need to add people to the point of unsuitability. As long as 
we can handle 20 people, I’ll be happy. If it handles more, that would be great 
(maybe 50?). I’m trying to keep the costs down, but I may need to use an 
external service if I can’t host it reliably myself. In that case, it would be 
run on one of those containers that you spin up and use for a few hours and 
then destroy. These are early days yet, so we will see where it goes.

On the plus side, we will probably have more people attend meetings (if I have 
the capacity).

Takeaways: 
- AGM over slack if enough people connect: 
https://join.slack.com/t/oclug/shared_invite/zt-deoisagj-gb5h5RU_UdgnVQj~CmDKYA
- We will attempt a video meeting for May and have some trials prior to that. 
- Assuming the video meeting goes well, we will return to our normal schedule 
of the first Thursday of the month @ 19:00, conference to be open earlier than 
that for Q, ending by 21:30. Some of us may have to be up early.

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[linux] February Meeting: 2020-02-13 @ 18:30

[Scott Murphy]

Location: We will be in the Centennial Library, starting at 18:30.

We will be in this location for Until August of 2020 (so far). The Centennial 
Library is at 3870 Old Richmond Rd. in Bells Corners. Bus routes 88, 9, and 
256 are listed as servicing that area. Note that we will be done by 20:30, as 
this library closes earlier than the other location.


Reminder: 

Our AGM is in April. If you do not expect to be there, please provide a proxy 
so we don’t have to keep announcing it if we do not have a quorum. Proxy 
instructions are below, along with a sample. We can also handle an additional 
board member so if someone wants to be part of coordinating the group, 
self-nomination is permitted. Send an email to:

  secretary  linux  ottawa  org

with your nomination. The target number we need is 20 people/proxies. This has
been close in the past and we would like to only do it once.

Discussions:

- James Romeo will be talking about backups and the broader topic of business 
  continuity. This will be an interactive session and everybody is encouraged 
  to participate. There is a good chance you will learn something you never 
  considered before.

- Tug Williams will be giving a talk on IIO. This also should provide some new
  insights and ideas for everybody.

- The “Managing your Laptop with Ansible” talk by Scott Murphy will be in March.

We also have to set and tear down, so we need to finish a few minutes early to 
be out of the room for 20:30

There will be a half hour pre-meeting item from 18:00 to 18:30 for people who 
are new to Linux, have general questions, or wish to help out with people just 
getting started.

After the meeting, there could be an optional social event at one of the nearby 
pubs or restaurants. A short discussion and vote as to location will be taken 
then.

After the talks, there will be the opportunity for a GPG key signing. This is a 
monthly offering, just look for Scott after the talk and we can go from there. 
Bring some kind of photo ID and some keyslips if you expect people to sign your 
key. If you need some method of creating pages of keyslips, there is an online 
slip generator available at http://openpgp.quelltextlich.at/slip.html

Note: New speakers welcome. If you have a topic or know someone who may have a 
good topic for a meeting, feel free to suggest it to the board.

-
Proxy Instructions…
-

Proxies can be registered by sending an email to either John Nash (john dot
nash at uottawa dot ca) or Scott Murphy (scott dot murphy at arrow dash eye
dot com) prior to 17:00 on Wednesday, April 8th so that we have a record
prior to the election. The email should be in the form of the example in the
bylaws, replicated below:

cut——

OTTAWA CANADA LINUX USERS GROUP Proxy Appointment

The undersigned member of the OTTAWA CANADA LINUX USERS GROUP hereby
appoints _ of _ or
failing in person appointed above, _ of
_ as the proxy of the undersigned to attend and
act at the OCLUG meeting to be held on the day of _,
and at any adjournment thereof in the same manner, to the same extent and
with the same power as if the undersigned were present.

Dated this day of _.

Legal name of Member: _.

Email address of Member: _.

—cut—

At the request of another board member to ensure the above makes sense, 
the following is an example of filled out example would look something like:


OTTAWA CANADA LINUX USERS GROUP Proxy Appointment

The undersigned member of the OTTAWA CANADA LINUX USERS GROUP hereby
appoints Scott Murphy of Ottawa or failing in person appointed above,
John Nash of Ottawa as the proxy of the undersigned to attend and
act at the OCLUG meeting to be held on the day of April 9, 2020,
and at any adjournment thereof in the same manner, to the same extent and
with the same power as if the undersigned were present.

Dated this day of _April_1,_2020_.

Legal name of Member: _Tux_T._Penguin_.

Email address of Member: _tux@linux-ottawa.org_.

[linux] UPDATED! - January Meeting: 2020-01-02 @ 18:30

[Scott Murphy]

Location: We will be in the Centennial Library, starting at 18:30. 

We will be in this location for January of 2020. The Centennial Library is at
3870 Old Richmond Rd. in Bells Corners. Bus routes 57 and 88 are currently 
listed 
as servicing that area. Note that we will be done by 20:30, as this library 
closes
earlier than the other location.

Reminder that our AGM is in April and we have board elections at that time, so 
if 
anyone wishes to be on the board, we have at least one open position. The 
existing 
board is willing to stay on, but if others want to get involved, feel free to 
self-nominate and we can have a real election.

Discussions:

  - Venue change - hopefully a quick discussion.
  - Changed: John Nash will be talking about using GPG with your email and an 
additional discussion on some observations of his work with extended 
precision
FORTRAN.
  - The Ansible talk by Scott Murphy will be moved to a future session.
  - If we have extra time, we can discuss potential future talks.
  - AGM commentary.

We also have to set and tear down, so we need to finish a few minutes early to 
be out of the room for 20:30

There will be a half hour pre-meeting item from 18:00 to 18:30 for people who 
are new to Linux, have general questions, or wish to help out with people just 
getting started.

After the meeting, there could be an optional social event at one of the nearby 
pubs or restaurants. A short discussion and vote as to location will be taken 
then.

After the talks, there will be the opportunity for a GPG key signing. This is a 
monthly offering, just look for Scott after the talk and we can go from there. 
Bring some kind of photo ID and some keyslips if you expect people to sign your 
key. If you need some method of creating pages of keyslips, there is an online 
slip generator available at http://openpgp.quelltextlich.at/slip.html

Note: New speakers welcome. If you have a topic or know someone who may have a 
good topic for a meeting, feel free to suggest it to the board.


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[linux] January Meeting: 2020-01-02 @ 18:30

[Scott Murphy]

Location: We will be in the Centennial Library, starting at 18:30. 

We will be in this location for January of 2020. The Centennial Library is at
3870 Old Richmond Rd. in Bells Corners. Bus routes 88, 9, and 256 are listed as
servicing that area. Note that we will be done by 20:30, as this library closes
earlier than the other location.

Reminder that our AGM is in April and we have board elections at that time, so 
if anyone wishes to be on the board, we have at least one open position. The 
existing board is willing to stay on, but if others want to get involved, feel 
free to self-nominate and we can have a real election.

Discussions:

- Venue change - hopefully a quick discussion.
- Scott Murphy will be talking about configuring your laptop with Ansible. This 
  will probably take up the entire session, assuming we have some discussion.
- If we have extra time, we can discuss potential future talks.

We also have to set and tear down, so we need to finish a few minutes early to 
be out of the room for 20:30
There will be a half hour pre-meeting item from 18:00 to 18:30 for people who 
are new to Linux, have general questions, or wish to help out with people just 
getting started.

After the meeting, there could be an optional social event at one of the nearby 
pubs or restaurants. A short discussion and vote as to location will be taken 
then.

After the talks, there will be the opportunity for a GPG key signing. This is a 
monthly offering, just look for Scott after the talk and we can go from there. 
Bring some kind of photo ID and some keyslips if you expect people to sign your 
key. If you need some method of creating pages of keyslips, there is an online 
slip generator available at http://openpgp.quelltextlich.at/slip.html

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[linux] December Meeting: 2019-12-05 @ 18:30

[Scott Murphy]

Location: We will be in the Centennial Library, starting at 18:30. 

We will be in this location until January of 2020. The Centennial Library is at
3870 Old Richmond Rd. in Bells Corners. Bus routes 88, 9, and 256 are listed as
servicing that area. Note that we will be done by 20:30, as this library closes
earlier than the other location.

Discussions:

- Possible venue change - hopefully a quick discussion.

- This is our annual Scripting Night meeting.
  - Scott Murphy will start with an open discussion about scripting, all are 
welcome to join in. Bring questions, ideas, etc. Remember, scripting does 
not just mean bash scripts. Feel free to talk about any scripting language
you wish. Here are a few that begin with ‘p’:
- Pascal Script
- Perl
- PHP
- PowerShell
- Python

  - We will have a few board members discuss things they use scripting to
assist with.

We also have to set and tear down, so we need to finish a few minutes early to 
be out of the room for 20:30

There will be a half hour pre-meeting item from 18:00 to 18:30 for people who 
are new to Linux, have general questions, or wish to help out with people just 
getting started.

After the meeting, there could be an optional social event at one of the nearby 
pubs or restaurants. A short discussion and vote as to location will be taken 
then.

After the talks, there will be the opportunity for a GPG key signing. This is a 
monthly offering, just look for Scott after the talk and we can go from there. 
Bring some kind of photo ID and some keyslips if you expect people to sign your 
key. If you need some method of creating pages of keyslips, there is an online 
slip generator available at http://openpgp.quelltextlich.at/slip.html

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[linux] GPD MicroPC

[Scott Murphy]

That would be the MicroPC I showed a couple of meetings ago. 

If anyone is interested, they have a sale on right now, ending in 30 hours I 
think. On sale for 354.20 US.

https://gpdshop.aliexpress.com/store/1281164/pages/promotion-2019.html 


Cheers,
Scott

[linux] November Meeting: 2019-11-07 @ 18:30

[Scott Murphy]

Location: We will be in the Centennial Library, starting at 18:30. 

We will be in this location until January of 2020. The Centennial Library is at
3870 Old Richmond Rd. in Bells Corners. Bus routes 88, 9, and 256 are listed as
servicing that area. Note that we will be done by 20:30, as this library closes
earlier than the other location.

Discussions:
- Scott Murphy will talk about provisioning your personal systems with ansible.
- Robert Day and John Nash will lead a discussion on using git

We also have to set and tear down, so we need to finish a few minutes early to 
be out of the room for 20:30

There will be a half hour pre-meeting item from 18:00 to 18:30 for people who 
are new to Linux, have general questions, or wish to help out with people just 
getting started.

After the meeting, there could be an optional social event at one of the nearby 
pubs or restaurants. A short discussion and vote as to location will be taken 
then.

After the talks, there will be the opportunity for a GPG key signing. This is a 
monthly offering, just look for Scott after the talk and we can go from there. 
Bring some kind of photo ID and some keyslips if you expect people to sign your 
key. If you need some method of creating pages of keyslips, there is an online 
slip generator available at http://openpgp.quelltextlich.at/slip.html

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Re: [linux] How are the oc-linux meetings announced, or is there a master schedule?

[Scott Murphy]

Typically they get announced when I remember to announce them, as well as when 
I have info to post. This one could have been announced a few days ago, but I 
was waiting until tonight to send the email. 

Sometimes we don’t have a speaker until a day or two before, so I could have a 
generic meeting announcement, but that is the same as saying that we have a 
meeting the first Thursday of the month.

I refuse to use meetup, as it has become painfully expensive to use. You pay by 
persons signed up, so if a few hundred sign up, we are on the hook for more 
cash than I am willing to spend. We had one and when it started to cost real 
money, we stopped using it.

I can do something a little simpler though. I can add a calendar to the site. 
It is easy enough to do, as I use if for another group. I may have set portions 
of it up already, I'll have to check. Anyway, there will be a subscribe link 
there that provides an ical and other subscription. I could even make it sit on 
the front page of the web site and have things link back to the wiki. More 
thought needed here, but there are only so many hours in a day and I have 
reached saturation. I expect it will get a little calmer soon, but right now 
I’m rather busied out.

So for the next meeting, expect the email and website updates to happen tonight.

Scott

> On Oct 31, 2019, at 9:59 AM, Rick Leir  wrote:
> 
> Scott
> Would you mind reminding me when the upcoming meeting is? From memory, it is 
> the first Thursday of each month, so it would be... But the neurons are over 
> committed.
> 
> If we were a meetup group, then there would be a nice ical file attached to 
> the announcement email. And we would have new people attending. I am not 
> pushing for that, but the ical attachment would be nice.
> Thanks
> Rick
> -- 
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Re: [linux] Thinking of giving away some Git courses/seminars to promote my classes

[Scott Murphy]

I’m up for adding a git talk to the November meeting. I’m doing what I expect 
will be a shorter ansible talk about using it to configure your laptop, 
workstation, or whatever. I doubt it will be a two hour talk. I suspect that 
the main points will be covered in 30 to 45 minutes.

Scott

> On Oct 29, 2019, at 11:49 AM, J C Nash  wrote:
> 
> I have more of my own stuff on Gitlab. However, I'm interested in learning a 
> bit
> more about using git effectively in collaboration with others no matter which 
> platform
> (or their own site) they are using. The git paradigm is not trivial. For 
> those of us
> who use it sporadically there is some "relearning" each time. Recently I 
> found I failed
> to get a pull request to work properly. Still not sure why. I suspect there's 
> other
> members who are not power users of git who can benefit from some helpful 
> cheat notes
> and diagrams, as well as an overview of the web interface.
> 
> JN
> 
> 
> On 2019-10-29 10:22 a.m., Rick Leir wrote:
>> Hi John and Robert
>> There might be time for a Github vs Gitlab chat. Several notable projects 
>> went to Gitlab, possibly due to a long
>> standing antipathy to Microsoft. I am at Github myself.
>> Cheers
>> Rick
>> 
>> On October 29, 2019 10:07:57 AM EDT, J C Nash  wrote:
>> 
>>I suspect Scott will get this via the list, but just in case ...
>> 
>>Probably worth a little coordination so we have a smooth meeting.
>> 
>>Thanks, JN
>> 
>>On 2019-10-29 10:06 a.m., Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>> 
>>On Tue, 29 Oct 2019, J C Nash wrote:
>> 
>>A discussion of using git (in particular on github) is one of the
>>items for next week's meeting. I suggested it after realizing 
>> that I
>>didn't manage a change properly with an R package I'm developing
>>with a colleague I've never met but have been sharing development
>>with for the last couple of years.
>> 
>>Your input would be most welcome.
>> 
>> 
>>well, if there's an open speaking slot, i can present what i was
>>thinking of as a 35-40 minute "brown bag" lunchtime seminar. it's a
>>little bit techie -- it explains the structure of Git's object store
>>and how Git actually stores history using a combination of blobs,
>>trees, commits and tags.
>> 
>>if people are interested, i can give that one.
>> 
>>rday
>> 
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[linux] October Meeting: 2019-10-03 @ 18:30

[Scott Murphy]

Location: We will be in the Centennial Library, starting at 18:30. 

We will be in this location until January of 2020. The Centennial Library is at
3870 Old Richmond Rd. in Bells Corners. Bus routes 88, 9, and 256 are listed as
servicing that area. Note that we will be done by 20:30, as this library closes
earlier than the other location.

Discussions:
- Bruce Davis will be giving a talk on a couple of MediaWiki extensions. 
Pitfalls,
  usage cases, etc.
- If we have time, there will be a general discussion afterward. Bring topics.

We also have to set and tear down, so we need to finish a few minutes early to 
be out of the room for 20:30

There will be a half hour pre-meeting item from 18:00 to 18:30 for people who 
are new to Linux, have general questions, or wish to help out with people just 
getting started.

After the meeting, there could be an optional social event at one of the nearby 
pubs or restaurants. A short discussion and vote as to location will be taken 
then.

After the talks, there will be the opportunity for a GPG key signing. This is a 
monthly offering, just look for Scott after the talk and we can go from there. 
Bring some kind of photo ID and some keyslips if you expect people to sign your 
key. If you need some method of creating pages of keyslips, there is an online 
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[linux] September Meeting: 2019-08-29 @ 18:30

[Scott Murphy]

Before anyone points it out, yes, the September meeting is in August.

Location: We will be in the Centennial Library, starting at 18:30. 

We are booked in this location until February of 2020. Unfortunately we cannot
book more than 6 months in advance, so I will continue to update as required.

The Centennial Library is at3870 Old Richmond Rd. in Bells Corners. Bus routes 
88, 9, and 256 are listed as servicing that area. Note that we will be done by 
20:30, as this library closes earlier than the other location.

Discussions:
- Scott will be talking about Lilliputing.
- If we have time, there will be a general discussion around small form factor 
  portable units. Bring questions for the collective mind to answer.

We also have to set up and tear down, so we need to finish a few minutes early 
to be out of the room for 20:30

There will be a half hour pre-meeting item from 18:00 to 18:30 for people who 
are new to Linux, have general questions, or wish to help out with people just 
getting started.

After the meeting, there could be an optional social event at one of the nearby 
pubs or restaurants. A short discussion and vote as to location will be taken 
then.

After the talks, there will be the opportunity for a GPG key signing. This is a 
monthly offering, just look for Scott after the talk and we can go from there. 
Bring some kind of photo ID and some keyslips if you expect people to sign your 
key. If you need some method of creating pages of keyslips, there is an online 
slip generator available at http://openpgp.quelltextlich.at/slip.html

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[linux] August Meeting: 2019-08-01 @ 18:30

[Scott Murphy]

Location: We will be in the Centennial Library, starting at 18:30. 

We will be in this location until January of 2020. The Centennial Library is at
3870 Old Richmond Rd. in Bells Corners. Bus routes 88, 9, and 256 are listed as
servicing that area. Note that we will be done by 20:30, as this library closes
earlier than the other location.

Discussions:
- Tug will be giving a talk on the Raspberry Pi 4. Impressions, usage cases, 
etc.
- If we have time, there will be a general discussion afterward. Bring topics.

We also have to set and tear down, so we need to finish a few minutes early to 
be out of the room for 20:30

There will be a half hour pre-meeting item from 18:00 to 18:30 for people who 
are new to Linux, have general questions, or wish to help out with people just 
getting started.

After the meeting, there could be an optional social event at one of the nearby 
pubs or restaurants. A short discussion and vote as to location will be taken 
then.

After the talks, there will be the opportunity for a GPG key signing. This is a 
monthly offering, just look for Scott after the talk and we can go from there. 
Bring some kind of photo ID and some keyslips if you expect people to sign your 
key. If you need some method of creating pages of keyslips, there is an online 
slip generator available at http://openpgp.quelltextlich.at/slip.html

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Re: [linux] Newbie help request

[Scott Murphy]

I’m hoping you ran across the instructions for rEFInd on Rod’s site:
https://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/index.html 


There is a section on getting it to work on macs with and without the SIP. 
Since you mentioned Sierra, you should use these instructions:
https://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/sip.html 


You will need to repartition your hard drive though, as there is no place to 
install an additional bootable OS. You should dedicate a partition to each OS 
just to keep things clean. Assuming you have lots of free space, decide how 
much you want to keep for macOS and then add partitions that are the size you 
want to use for as many Linux installs you want to play with. If you have a GPT 
disk, it supports 256 partitions, so you are probably safe.

Make sure you leave some free space on your mac partition or you may have 
issues with available space if you boot into macOS.

Assume you will be using at least 20GB/Linux install.

Make a backup before you start playing. Use something like SuperDuper or 
CarbonCopy Cloner to make a bootable image on an external USB drive. You can 
always boot from that later and it can act as a source for a restore.

Have fun!

> On Jul 12, 2019, at 11:18 PM, Steve Miles  wrote:
> 
> I have set it up with the ram maxed out
> 
> Steve Miles
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 12, 2019, at 12:14 PM, J C Nash  wrote:
>> 
>> Steve, Since you have lots of disk and a fair bit of RAM, does
>> increasing the RAM for the VM help. I've found a small RAM for
>> the guest slows things down quite a bit. Also, of course, running
>> multiple VM guests and/or host activity at same time.
>> 
>> Best, JN
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2019-07-12 11:45 a.m., Steve Miles wrote:
>>>   Greetings fellow members,
>>> 
>>> I am new at discovering Linux and want to learn a lot more.
>>> 
>>> I have a Mac mini late 2014 with macOS Sierra. 8 GB ram and tons of hard 
>>> drive space
>>> 
>>> I have been able to get mint and ubuntu installed in a virtual box but it 
>>> works sluggishly since the computer is sharing CPU etc with 2 operating 
>>> systems.
>>> 
>>> I would like to have the ability to multi boot and choose which operating 
>>> system installs on its own. I have explored Refind as a multi boot option 
>>> but cannot get it to work for whatever reason.
>>> 
>>> I have looked at a ton of web sites and youtube videos to no avail.
>>> 
>>> Any help or suggestions greatly appreciated if anyone has experience with a 
>>> Mac mini.  
>>> 
>>> Steve the Linux Newbie
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Re: [linux] July Meeting: 2019-07-04 @ 18:30

[Scott Murphy]

I don’t have any 8-tracks, but the principle is the same :)
-- 
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> On Jul 2, 2019, at 11:58 PM, Brett Delmage 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 2 Jul 2019, Scott Murphy wrote:
> 
>> - Scott is going to do a talk on digitizing old(er) media. Media to be 
>> discussed
>> will include 8mm/Super8 file, photo negatives, photos, VHS tape, slides,
>> cassettes, and vinyl records.
> 
> What, no 8 tracks?
> 
> Sounds interesting.
> 
> cheers
> 
> Brett

[linux] July Meeting: 2019-07-04 @ 18:30

[Scott Murphy]

Location: We will be in the Centennial Library, starting at 18:30. 

We will be in this location until November of 2019. The Centennial Library is at
3870 Old Richmond Rd. in Bells Corners. Bus routes 88, 9, and 256 are listed as
servicing that area. Note that we will be done by 20:30, as this library closes
earlier than the other location.

Discussions:
- Scott is going to do a talk on digitizing old(er) media. Media to be discussed
  will include 8mm/Super8 file, photo negatives, photos, VHS tape, slides, 
  cassettes, and vinyl records. The various techniques can be applied to similar
  cases.

We also have to set and tear down, so we need to finish a few minutes early to 
be out of the room for 20:30

There will be a half hour pre-meeting item from 18:00 to 18:30 for people who 
are new to Linux, have general questions, or wish to help out with people just 
getting started.


After the meeting, there could be an optional social event at one of the nearby 
pubs or restaurants. A short discussion and vote as to location will be taken 
then.

After the talks, there will be the opportunity for a GPG key signing. This is a 
monthly offering, just look for Scott after the talk and we can go from there. 
Bring some kind of photo ID and some keyslips if you expect people to sign your 
key. If you need some method of creating pages of keyslips, there is an online 
slip generator available at http://openpgp.quelltextlich.at/slip.html


Note: New speakers welcome. If you have a topic or know someone who may have a 
good topic for a meeting, feel free to suggest it to the board.
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[linux] To complement the ZFS discussion at the last meeting

[Scott Murphy]

A somewhat timely article. 

While not Linux, the principles should be the same. As a warning, I have not 
tried this so I can’t state that it works exactly the same way. If you think 
this is a useful idea for you, experiment first. Maybe a VM first.

FreeBSD+ZFS Without Drives
https://savagedlight.me/2019/06/09/freebsd-zfs-without-drives/ 


Cheers,
Scott

Re: [linux] koolu micro server

[Scott Murphy]

I’d probably get shot for bringing it home, so I’ll pass on this one. 

> On Jun 8, 2019, at 11:57 AM, J C Nash  wrote:
> 
> I've a Koolu microserver. Was using it for a local NAS for a bit.
> 
> If interested, let me know. Free.
> 
> Currently set up with Bunsenlabs Linux (needs non-pae. It boots also with
> Crunchbang Waldorf and I can supply image of that too). 80G drive.
> 
> Also putting on trashnothing.
> 
> JN
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[linux] June Meeting: 2019-06-06 @ 18:30

[Scott Murphy]

Location: We will be in the Centennial Library, starting at 18:30. 

We will be in this location until November of 2019. The Centennial Library is 
at 3870 Old Richmond Rd. in Bells Corners. Bus routes 88, 9, and 256 are listed 
as servicing that area. Note that we will be done by 20:30, as this library 
closes earlier than the other location.

Discussions:
- Scott is going to do a talk on Yubikeys as a followup to the discussion in 
May.
- John may be discussing criteria for a new tower system, as he is currently 
evaluating purchasing one.


We also have to set and tear down, so we need to finish a few minutes early to 
be out of the room for 20:30

There will be a half hour pre-meeting item from 18:00 to 18:30 for people who 
are new to Linux, have general questions, or wish to help out with people who 
are just getting started.

After the meeting, there could be an optional social event at one of the nearby 
pubs or restaurants. A short discussion and vote as to location will be taken 
then.

After the talks, there will be the opportunity for a GPG key signing. This is a 
monthly offering, just look for Scott after the talk and we can go from there. 
Bring some kind of photo ID and some keyslips if you expect people to sign your 
key. If you need some method of creating pages of keyslips, there is an online 
slip generator available at http://openpgp.quelltextlich.at/slip.html


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[linux] May Meeting: 2019-05-02 @ 18:30

[Scott Murphy]

Location: We will be in the Centennial Library, starting at 18:30. 

We will be in this location until November of 2019. The Centennial Library is 
at 3870 Old Richmond Rd. in Bells Corners. Bus routes 88, 9, and 256 are listed 
as servicing that area. Note that we will be done by 20:30, as this library 
closes earlier than the other location.

Discussions
- Scott has a couple of topics:
- Security devices like Yubikeys - Why would you want one, what do you do 
with one?
- The internet connected garage door opener - A tale of rampant consumerism.
- Ian is going to talk about a small csv library he developed for Python, along 
with a demo of what he uses it for.

We also have to set and tear down, so we need to finish a few minutes early to 
be out of the room for 20:30

There will be a half hour pre-meeting item from 18:00 to 18:30 for people who 
are new to Linux, have general questions, or wish to help out with people who 
are just getting started.

After the meeting, there could be an optional social event at one of the nearby 
pubs or restaurants. A short discussion and vote as to location will be taken 
then.

After the talks, there will be the opportunity for a GPG key signing. This is a 
monthly offering, just look for Scott after the talk and we can go from there. 
Bring some kind of photo ID and some keyslips if you expect people to sign your 
key. If you need some method of creating pages of keyslips, there is an online 
slip generator available at http://openpgp.quelltextlich.at/slip.html


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[linux] April Meeting: 2019-04-04 @ 18:30

[Scott Murphy]

Location: We will be in the Centennial Library, starting at 18:30. 

We will be in this location until September of 2019. The Centennial Library is 
at 3870 Old Richmond Rd. in Bells Corners. Bus routes 88, 9, and 256 are listed 
as servicing that area. Note that we will be done by 20:30, as this library 
closes earlier than the other location.

Agenda:

AGM
- Election of new board
- Comments from the president
- Treasurer’s report
- Some ideas for future talks

Discussions
- Building on one of the ideas for future talks, Scott is going to talk about 
getting started with Linux, specifically what needs to be covered in a guide 
for new users. This will be a discussion format, as we have people who are 
still getting started and may have better ideas than those who have been at it 
for decades.
- John is going to go over creation of a live USB distro. Goals, features, etc. 
This will go well with the previous talk as we would like to incorporate some 
of that into a guide to getting started.


We also have to set and tear down, so we need to finish a few minutes early to 
be out of the room for 20:30

There will be a half hour pre-meeting item from 18:00 to 18:30 for people who 
are new to Linux, have general questions, or wish to help out with people who 
are just getting started.

After the meeting, there could be an optional social event at one of the nearby 
pubs or restaurants. A short discussion and vote as to location will be taken 
then.

After the talks, there will be the opportunity for a GPG key signing. This is a 
monthly offering, just look for Scott after the talk and we can go from there. 
Bring some kind of photo ID and some keyslips if you expect people to sign your 
key. If you need some method of creating pages of keyslips, there is an online 
slip generator available at http://openpgp.quelltextlich.at/slip.html


Note: New speakers welcome. If you have a topic or know someone who may have a 
good topic for a meeting, feel free to suggest it to the board.

Remember, we have elections in April. Feel free to self-nominate for the board.


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[linux] Repeat: Reminder of the 2019 AGM

[Scott Murphy]

REMINDER REMINDER REMINDER REMINDER REMINDER REMINDER REMINDER 
-
The April talk announcement will go out this weekend in a separate
mailing. This announcement is being sent to ensure we get sufficient
members or proxies to have our AGM. This message will be repeated a
couple of days prior to the AGM.
-

The April meeting starts with our AGM as required by the corporation 
bylaws.

At present, we have the following candidates for the board:
- Bruce Davis
- Ian Gorman
- Ed Hong
- Scott Murphy
- John Nash
- Tug Williams


If anyone else is interested in being on the board, feel free to self-
nominate no later than April 2nd, 2019. If several people are willing to
come on board, a few of us are willing to withdraw our intent in order to
get some new blood in. Just so everyone is aware, four board members is
sufficient, six would be better in case of circumstances requiring an
existing member to step down.

In addition, according to the bylaws of the non-profit corporation, we
require at least 20 members people to be present, either in person or via
proxy. We will have a sign-up sheet for the election and will require all
present  to sign in order to prove the election was held in compliance with
the  bylaws. If we do not have the requisite number of people/proxies, we
are  required to repeat this at every future meeting until we do meet the
criteria. If you are not going to be there, please register a proxy. To
meet the member criteria, our official member roster is this mailing list.

Proxies can be registered by sending an email to either John Nash (john dot
nash at uottawa dot ca) or Scott Murphy (scott dot murphy at arrow dash eye
dot com) prior to 17:00 on Wednesday, April 3rd or that we have a record
prior to the election. The email should be in the form of the example in the
bylaws, replicated below:

cut——

OTTAWA CANADA LINUX USERS GROUP Proxy Appointment
The undersigned member of the OTTAWA CANADA LINUX USERS GROUP hereby
appoints _ of _ or
failing in person appointed above, _ of
_ as the proxy of the undersigned to attend and
act at the OCLUG meeting to be held on the day of _,
and at any adjournment thereof in the same manner, to the same extent and
with the same power as if the undersigned were present.

Dated this day of _.

Legal name of Member: _.

Email address of Member: _.

—cut—

At the request of another board member to ensure the above makes sense, 
the following is an example of filled out example would look something like:


OTTAWA CANADA LINUX USERS GROUP Proxy Appointment
The undersigned member of the OTTAWA CANADA LINUX USERS GROUP hereby
appoints Scott Murphy of Ottawa or failing in person appointed above,
John Nash of Ottawa as the proxy of the undersigned to attend and
act at the OCLUG meeting to be held on the day of April 4, 2019,
and at any adjournment thereof in the same manner, to the same extent and
with the same power as if the undersigned were present.

Dated this day of _April_1,_2019_.

Legal name of Member: _Tux_T._Penguin_.

Email address of Member: _tux@linux-ottawa.org_.



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Re: [linux] Is there an OCLUG-related place where I can advertise local training?

[Scott Murphy]

Hi Robert;

There is nothing to stop us from having a list of local tech resources on the 
wiki. I’d be happy to add a page that has other groups, training, etc.

Maybe a link and a summary of what it is. 
-- 
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> On Mar 28, 2019, at 2:58 PM, Robert P. J. Day  wrote:
> 
> 
>  In the very near future, I want to start offering some of my regular
> Linux and Linux-related courses locally, either single-client, on-site
> courses, or general public courses, most likely at a shared co-working
> space called CoWorkly (https://www.coworkly.ca/) on Montreal Rd.
> 
>  I don't want to use this list to spam members with constant
> marketing about what is coming up, but if there was somewhere that one
> could list Linux-related technical training (for anyone offering such
> classes, not just me), that would be great.
> 
>  Lately, I've been doing a lot of Git training (both intro and
> advanced), and I'm currently putting together some courseware on
> container technology (podman, Buildah, skopeo, all that Docker-related
> stuff) and should have an intro course in about a month. And, of
> course, there's a pile of other basic Linux courses I can teach if the
> demand is there.
> 
>  I like to think that the value of this to the local Linux community
> is that there would be a local source of *affordable* training, where
> local employers wouldn't have to send their folks out of town and pay
> outrageous registration, so that's part of my sales pitch, as it were.
> 
>  In any event, I'm open to suggestions as to how to promote this idea
> to people who'd be interested, without turning it into constant
> marketing. Thoughts?
> 
> rday
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA
>  http://crashcourse.ca/dokuwiki
> 
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[linux] Reminder of the 2019 AGM

[Scott Murphy]

---
 The April talk announcement will go out this weekend in a separate
 mailing. This announcement is being sent to ensure we get sufficient
 members or proxies to have our AGM. This message will be repeated a
 couple of days prior to the AGM.
---

The April meeting starts with our AGM as required by the corporation bylaws.

At present, we have the following candidates for the board:
- Bruce Davis
- Ian Gorman
- Ed Hong
- Scott Murphy
- John Nash
- Tug Williams


If anyone else is interested in being on the board, feel free to self-
nominate no later than April 2nd, 2019. If several people are willing to
come on board, a few of us are willing to withdraw our intent in order to
get some new blood in. Just so everyone is aware, four board members is
sufficient, six would be better in case of circumstances requiring an
existing member to step down.

In addition, according to the bylaws of the non-profit corporation, we
require at least 20 members people to be present, either in person or via
proxy. We will have a sign-up sheet for the election and will require all
present  to sign in order to prove the election was held in compliance with
the  bylaws. If we do not have the requisite number of people/proxies, we
are  required to repeat this at every future meeting until we do meet the
criteria. If you are not going to be there, please register a proxy. To
meet the member criteria, our official member roster is this mailing list.

Proxies can be registered by sending an email to either John Nash (john dot
nash at uottawa dot ca) or Scott Murphy (scott dot murphy at arrow dash eye
dot com) prior to 17:00 on Wednesday, April 3rd or that we have a record
prior to the election. The email should be in the form of the example in the
bylaws, replicated below:

cut——

OTTAWA CANADA LINUX USERS GROUP Proxy Appointment
The undersigned member of the OTTAWA CANADA LINUX USERS GROUP hereby
appoints _ of _ or
failing in person appointed above, _ of
_ as the proxy of the undersigned to attend and
act at the OCLUG meeting to be held on the day of _,
and at any adjournment thereof in the same manner, to the same extent and
with the same power as if the undersigned were present.

Dated this day of _.

Legal name of Member: _.

Email address of Member: _.

---cut---

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  of , in my case, it would be
Scott Murphy of Ottawa.

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[linux] March Meeting: 2019-03-07 @ 18:30

[Scott Murphy]

Location: We will be in the Centennial Library, starting at 18:30. 

We will be in this location for The first half of 2019. The Centennial Library 
is at 3870 Old Richmond Rd. in Bells Corners. Bus routes 88, 9, and 256 are 
listed as servicing that area. Note that we will be done by 20:30, as this 
library closes earlier than the other location.

Discussions:
- Wireguard Talk
  - WireGuard is an open-source software application and protocol that 
implements virtual private network techniques to create secure point-to-point 
connections in routed or bridged configurations.
  - Presented by Qingwei Zhang
- Quilt Talk
  - Quilt is an open-source software application for patch management. The 
basic idea behind quilt is to maintain patches instead of maintaining source 
files.
  - Presented by Brenda Butler
- A “Hot Topic” if there is time

We also have to set and tear down, so we need to finish a few minutes early to 
be out of the room for 20:30

There will be a half hour pre-meeting item from 18:00 to 18:30 for people who 
are new to Linux, have general questions, or wish to help out with people who 
are just getting started.

After the meeting, there could be an optional social event at one of the nearby 
pubs or restaurants. A short discussion and vote as to location will be taken 
then.

After the talks, there will be the opportunity for a GPG key signing. This is a 
monthly offering, just look for Scott after the talk and we can go from there. 
Bring some kind of photo ID and some keyslips if you expect people to sign your 
key. If you need some method of creating pages of keyslips, there is an online 
slip generator available at http://openpgp.quelltextlich.at/slip.html


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[linux] Update: One speaker unavailable tonight

[Scott Murphy]

Our main talk speaker is in Toronto and will not be able to speak tonight. We 
will reschedule him for next month with Brenda’s presentation. 

So we have an open topic session as well as Tug’s short talk. If anyone has 
something they would like to present, here is a golden opportunity.


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[linux] February Meeting: 2019-02-07 @ 18:30

[Scott Murphy]

Location: We will be in the Centennial Library, starting at 18:30. 

This is the same location as December 2018. Again, note the location, time, and 
date. We will be in this location for The first half of 2019. The Centennial 
Library is at 3870 Old Richmond Rd. in Bells Corners. Bus routes 88, 9, and 256 
are listed as servicing that area. Note that we will be done by 20:30, as this 
library closes earlier than the other location.

This month we are having a cou[ple of talks: 
- wireguard, presented by Qingwei Zhang.
- A short presentation by Tug on a product he is working on. This is a stab at 
the elevator pitch.
- A “Hot Topic"

- Since we have a somewhat shorter evening and we have to take a few minutes to 
setup and tear down the room, I don’t want to over commit on time. We will get 
a better handle as time goes on.

There will be a half hour pre-meeting item from 18:00 to 18:30 for people who 
are new to Linux, have general questions, or wish to help out with people who 
are just getting started.

After the meeting, there could be an optional social event at one of the nearby 
pubs or restaurants. A short discussion and vote as to location will be taken 
then.

After the talks, there will be the opportunity for a GPG key signing. This is a 
monthly offering, just look for Scott after the talk and we can go from there. 
Bring some kind of photo ID and some keyslips if you expect people to sign your 
key. If you need some method of creating pages of keyslips, there is an online 
slip generator available at http://openpgp.quelltextlich.at/slip.html 



March Teaser: quilt, presented by Brenda Butler

Note: New speakers welcome. If you have a topic or know someone who may have a 
good topic for a meeting, feel free to suggest it to the board.

Remember, we have elections in April. Feel free to self-nominate for the board.

Re: [linux] Problem with mailing list

[Scott Murphy]

See the footer for list info.

No practical limits on the hosting plan, no mailing list issues as far as I can 
tell.

> On Feb 6, 2019, at 10:35 AM, James Lockie  wrote:
> 
> Ok, I'm surprised. :-)
> How do I see the archives?
> I wonder if the site ran out of usage for January.
> Does the hosting plan have any limits?
> 
> On February 6, 2019 10:28:07 AM James Lockie  wrote:
> 
>> Has anyone else had a problem with the mailing list?
>> 
>> 
>> I'll be surprised if this gets through.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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[linux] January Meeting: 2019-01-10 @ 18:30

[Scott Murphy]

The meeting will be the SECOND Thursday, as we couldn’t get the first Thursday.

Location: We will be in the Centennial Library, starting at 18:30. 

This is the same location as December 2018. Again, note the location, time, and 
date. We will be in this location for The first half of 2019. The Centennial 
Library is at 3870 Old Richmond Rd. in Bells Corners. Bus routes 88, 9, and 256 
are listed as servicing that area. Note that we will be done by 20:30, as this 
library closes earlier than the other location.

This month we are having a VoIP talk. 
- I haven’t talked about VoIP for a while, so it is probably due. 
- If anyone wants to contribute, feel free. 

- Since we have a somewhat shorter evening and we have to take a few minutes to 
setup and tear down the room, I don’t want to over commit on time. We will get 
a better handle as time goes on.

There will be a half hour pre-meeting item from 18:00 to 18:30 for people who 
are new to Linux, have general questions, or wish to help out with people who 
are just getting started.

After the meeting, there could be an optional social event at one of the nearby 
pubs or restaurants. A short discussion and vote as to location will be taken 
then.

After the talks, there will be the opportunity for a GPG key signing. This is a 
monthly offering, just look for Scott after the talk and we can go from there. 
Bring some kind of photo ID and some keyslips if you expect people to sign your 
key. If you need some method of creating pages of keyslips, there is an online 
slip generator available at http://openpgp.quelltextlich.at/slip.html

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Re: [linux] Hardware sources?

[Scott Murphy]

Pretty much any modern hardware will work with an up to date linux. As long as 
you are not trying to do anything graphics intense, you should be fine. If you 
want high performance graphics, then you need to check compatibility a little 
more closely.

If you are more familiar with the tweaking necessary, pretty much anything that 
is made today can run linux. Some hardware will require you to get the drivers 
from windows to make it work, so that could take a while to get configured 
correctly. If you are building your own, just check all the hardware 
compatibility in advance.

Cheers,
Scott

> On Dec 3, 2018, at 12:58 PM, Jean-François Bilodeau 
>  wrote:
> 
> For whatever it's worth, I get my machines from www.eurocom.com 
> . They're actually a local company that specialize 
> in robust enterprise hardware. They don't target Linux specifically, but you 
> can buy a machine without any OS. They have been my go-to for about ten years 
> now.
> 
> J-F
> 
> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 11:58 AM Barry McLarnon  > wrote:
> My Linux desktop system is getting rather long in the tooth and has some 
> stability issues, so I'm looking to replace it.  It seems that the 
> number of local sources for barebones PCs has dwindled almost to nothing 
> since the last time I bought any hardware, and I'm looking for 
> recommendations.
> 
> Also, is there any particular hardware, especially graphics, that I 
> should avoid due to iffy Linux support?  I've used openSUSE for many 
> years and will probably give their Tumbleweed rolling release a whirl, 
> but apparently it can be a real hassle if you don't have well-supported 
> hardware.  I don't need state of the art, just a stable platform for 
> general desktop use and some light-duty server stuff (web, mail, and 
> some in-house streaming).
> 
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions you may have on what to get and 
> where to get it...
> 
> Barry
> 
> -- 
> Barry McLarnon  Ottawa, ON
> 
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> 
> -- 
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> MCT, MCSD (Web, App), MCSE (Cloud, SharePoint), Java, Linux
> +1-819-712-1020
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[linux] December Meeting: 2018-12-06 @ 18:30

[Scott Murphy]

Location Change: We will be in the Centennial Library, starting at 18:30. 
Again, note the location and time change. We will be in this location for 
December. The Centennial Library is at 3870 Old Richmond Rd. in Bells Corners. 
Bus routes 88, 9, and 256 are listed as servicing that area. Note that we will 
be done by 20:30, as this library closes earlier than the other location.

This month we are having a scripting talk. 
- This is “language neutral”, so if you script in something obscure, that is 
fine, maybe even fantastic!
- There will be at least three script discussions from board members and anyone 
who attends is welcome to showcase a
  script or ask questions about a scripting problem they are having. Attendee 
participation is encouraged.

Hot Topics: Open Discussion, assuming we have time.

There will be a half hour pre-meeting item from 18:00 to 18:30 for people who 
are new to Linux, have general questions, or wish to help out with people who 
are just getting started.

After the meeting, there may be an optional social event at one of the nearby 
pubs or restaurants. A short discussion and vote as to location will be taken 
then.

After the talks, there will be the opportunity for a GPG key signing. This is a 
monthly offering, just look for Scott after the talk and we can go from there. 
Bring some kind of photo ID and some keyslips if you expect people to sign your 
key. If you need some method of creating pages of keyslips, there is an online 
slip generator available at http://openpgp.quelltextlich.at/slip.html

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[linux] Addition - October Meeting: 2018-10-04 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

I left out the Hot Topic item we will have for discussion at the end of the 
evening, New Security Flaw Discovered in Wi-Fi Routers - Published September 
20, 2018.

Location: We will be in room 1B at the Centerpointe branch of the Ottawa Public 
Library. We will be there for October and November. December is still up in the 
air, but we will find something.

This month we will have two talks, one from John on historic algorithms and one 
from Ed on LDAP.

There will be a one hour pre-meeting item from 18:00 to 19:00 for people who 
are new to Linux, have general questions, or wish to help out with people who 
are just getting started.

After the meeting, there may be an optional social event at one of the nearby 
pubs or restaurants. A short discussion and vote as to location will be taken 
then.

After the talks, there will be the opportunity for a GPG key signing. This is a 
monthly offering, just look for Scott after the talk and we can go from there. 
Bring some kind of photo ID and some keyslips if you expect people to sign your 
key. If you need some method of creating pages of keyslips, there is an online 
slip generator available at http://openpgp.quelltextlich.at/slip.html 


Note: New speakers welcome. If you have a topic or know someone who may have a 
good topic for a meeting, feel free to suggest it to the board.

[linux] October Meeting: 2018-10-04 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

Location: We will be in room 1B at the Centerpointe branch of the Ottawa Public 
Library. We will be there for October and November. December is still up in the 
air, but we will find something.

This month we will have two talks, one from John on historic algorithms and one 
from Ed on LDAP.

There will be a one hour pre-meeting item from 18:00 to 19:00 for people who 
are new to Linux, have general questions, or wish to help out with people who 
are just getting started.

After the meeting, there may be an optional social event at one of the nearby 
pubs or restaurants. A short discussion and vote as to location will be taken 
then.

After the talks, there will be the opportunity for a GPG key signing. This is a 
monthly offering, just look for Scott after the talk and we can go from there. 
Bring some kind of photo ID and some keyslips if you expect people to sign your 
key. If you need some method of creating pages of keyslips, there is an online 
slip generator available at http://openpgp.quelltextlich.at/slip.html 


Note: New speakers welcome. If you have a topic or know someone who may have a 
good topic for a meeting, feel free to suggest it to the board.

[linux] September Meeting: 2018-09-06 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

Location: We have a new location this month, which will be room 1B at the 
Centerpointe branch of the Ottawa Public Library. We will be there for 
September, October and November. December is still up in the air, but we will 
find something.

This month we will have two talks, one from Tug on building a cabin with 
Inkscape and openSCAD, and one from Scott on provisioning your laptop with 
ansible.

There will be a one hour pre-meeting item from 18:00 to 19:00 for people who 
are new to Linux, have general questions, or wish to help out with people who 
are just getting started.

After the meeting, there may be an optional social event at one of the nearby 
pubs or restaurants. A short discussion and vote as to location will be taken 
then.

After the talks, there will be the opportunity for a GPG key signing. This is a 
monthly offering, just look for Scott after the talk and we can go from there. 
Bring some kind of photo ID and some keyslips if you expect people to sign your 
key. If you need some method of creating pages of keyslips, there is an online 
slip generator available at http://openpgp.quelltextlich.at/slip.html 


Note: New speakers welcome. If you have a topic or know someone who may have a 
good topic for a meeting, feel free to suggest it to the board.


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Re: [linux] What's up with the #oclug IRC channel?

[Scott Murphy]

No idea. I have not been on there in a long time. I don’t even know who is an 
operator. RGB might have some info.

> On Aug 2, 2018, at 9:38 AM, Dianne Skoll  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Has something changed on #oclug?  I was kicked from the
> channel and can't rejoin unless registered and verified, and
> I don't know how to do that.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dianne.
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[linux] August Meeting: 2018-08-02 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

Location: We will be at Algonquin this month, room P-216A. We are still in the 
Police Services building right next to the main parking lots.

This month we will have several ignite style talks. Topics are varied and 
should be a bit of a surprise. After the talk and any Q, we will have a 
discussion on the format and if we would like to do this again.

There will be a one hour pre-meeting item from 18:00 to 19:00 for people who 
are new to Linux, have general questions, or wish to help out with people who 
are just getting started.

After the meeting, there may be an optional social event at one of the nearby 
pubs or restaurants. A short discussion and vote as to location will be taken 
then.

After the talks, there will be the opportunity for a GPG key signing. This is a 
monthly offering, just look for Scott after the talk and we can go from there. 
Bring some kind of photo ID and some keyslips if you expect people to sign your 
key. If you need some method of creating pages of keyslips, there is an online 
slip generator available at http://openpgp.quelltextlich.at/slip.html 


Note: New speakers welcome. If you have a topic or know someone who may have a 
good topic for a meeting, feel free to suggest it to the board.


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[linux] Reminder: LITW 2018

[Scott Murphy]

This year LITW will be held at Strathcona Park on Sunday July 15 @ 13:00 
(1:00pm) rain or shine.

This is a casual, family oriented event. Bring kids, significant others, 
devices, laptops, battery operated projects, or whatever suits your fancy. 
Bring some food to share and a fun attitude.

The board will bring a cooler of pop/juice/water, some paper plates, utensils, 
paper towels and anything else we think would be a good idea.

If you are planning on attending, please RSVP to the board with a count of how 
many people you are bringing so we have an idea as to how much to bring.

Looking forward to another successful LITW and we will see you there!

[linux] Update: July Meeting: 2018-07-05 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

Location: We will be at Algonquin this month, room P-210. We are back in the 
Police Services building right next to the main parking lots.

This month we will have a short talk and discussion from Scott Murphy on the 
upcoming August talks. Come out and find out what we are doing in August and 
how you can participate. There will be a couple of bonus talks as well. The 
main talk will be from Renato Carrara on 

There will be a one hour pre-meeting item from 18:00 to 19:00 for people who 
are new to Linux, have general questions, or wish to help out with people who 
are just getting started.

After the meeting, there may be an optional social event at one of the nearby 
pubs or restaurants. A short discussion and vote as to location will be taken 
then.

After the talks, there will be the opportunity for a GPG key signing. This is a 
monthly offering, just look for Scott after the talk and we can go from there. 
Bring some kind of photo ID and some keyslips if you expect people to sign your 
key. If you need some method of creating pages of keyslips, there is an online 
slip generator available at http://openpgp.quelltextlich.at/slip.html 
<http://openpgp.quelltextlich.at/slip.html>

Note: New speakers welcome. If you have a topic or know someone who may have a 
good topic for a meeting, feel free to suggest it to the board.

[linux] July Meeting: 2018-07-05 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

Location: We will be at Algonquin this month, room P-210. We are back in the 
Police Services building right next to the main parking lots.

This month we will have a short talk and discussion from Scott Murphy on the 
upcoming August talks. Come out and find out what we are doing in August and 
how you can participate. There will be a couple of bonus talks as well.

There will be a one hour pre-meeting item from 18:00 to 19:00 for people who 
are new to Linux, have general questions, or wish to help out with people who 
are just getting started.

After the meeting, there may be an optional social event at one of the nearby 
pubs or restaurants. A short discussion and vote as to location will be taken 
then.

After the talks, there will be the opportunity for a GPG key signing. This is a 
monthly offering, just look for Scott after the talk and we can go from there. 
Bring some kind of photo ID and some keyslips if you expect people to sign your 
key. If you need some method of creating pages of keyslips, there is an online 
slip generator available at http://openpgp.quelltextlich.at/slip.html 
<http://openpgp.quelltextlich.at/slip.html>

Note: New speakers welcome. If you have a topic or know someone who may have a 
good topic for a meeting, feel free to suggest it to the board.

[linux] LITW 2018

[Scott Murphy]

This year LITW will be held at Strathcona Park on Sunday July 15 @ 13:00 
(1:00pm) rain or shine.

This is a casual, family oriented event. Bring kids, significant others, 
devices, laptops, battery operated projects, or whatever suits your fancy. 
Bring some food to share and a fun attitude.

The board will bring a cooler of pop/juice/water, some paper plates, utensils, 
paper towels and anything else we think would be a good idea.

If you are planning on attending, please RSVP to the board with a count of how 
many people you are bringing so we have an idea as to how much to bring.

Looking forward to another successful LITW and we will see you there!

Expect to see at least one more reminder email before then.

[linux] June Meeting: 2018-06-07 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

Location: We will be at Algonquin this month, room B-119. Note the room and 
building change. B119 is beside B110 and B117 and right behind "The Portable 
Feast" in the B building rotunda.

This month we will have a talk from John Nash on the user experience and the 
CLI and a Git for beginners talk from Ian Gorman.

There will be a one hour pre-meeting item from 18:00 to 19:00 for people who 
are new to Linux, have general questions, or wish to help out with people who 
are just getting started.

After the meeting, there may be an optional social event at one of the nearby 
pubs or restaurants. A short discussion and vote as to location will be taken 
then.

After the talks, there will be the opportunity for a GPG key signing. This is a 
monthly offering, just look for Scott after the talk and we can go from there. 
Bring some kind of photo ID and some keyslips if you expect people to sign your 
key. If you need some method of creating pages of keyslips, there is an online 
slip generator available at http://openpgp.quelltextlich.at/slip.html 


Note: New speakers welcome. If you have a topic or know someone who may have a 
good topic for a meeting, feel free to suggest it to the board.

Re: [linux] is there a june meeting?

[Scott Murphy]

Yes there is, but I have not posted it yet. We are in a different building this 
time and the room does not show up on the room finder.

There will be details shortly.

> On May 30, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Robert P. J. Day  wrote:
> 
> 
>  i may have a ton more stuff to give away.
> 
> rday
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Re: [linux] Archives?

[Scott Murphy]

The archives are at https://lists.linux-ottawa.org 
. The footer has the wrong link and has been 
fixed.

> On May 20, 2018, at 9:15 AM, Dianne Skoll  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Are the mailing list archives online somewhere?  And will they include both 
> the old archives and new list traffic?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dianne.
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Re: [linux] new mailing list issue

[Scott Murphy]

On May 12, 2018, at 7:45 AM, Richard Guy Briggs <r...@tricolour.ca> wrote:
> 
> On 2018-05-11 23:55, Scott Murphy wrote:
>> That would be the down side of subscribing everybody silently.
>> 
>> You should be able to manage everything by visiting 
>> https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
>> 
>> There will be instructions there for the two existing lists. The mailing
>> address remains linux@linux-ottawa.org and as it is not mailman, there are a
>> few things that are different (well, all of them). I can add a footer, I had
>> one on the test lists when I was configuring it and completely forgot to add
>> one here. Assuming I got it correct, there will be a footer in this response
>> with the above link in it.
> 
> There doesn't appear to be any footer.  Adding a footer, header, or subject
> prefix breaks mailing lists in this new SPF/DKIM/DMARC world…

There is a prefix setting, which I added last night, as well as a supposed 
footer which did not show up in the message from last night. I have looked at 
the file and it is effectively the same as the one for my test list which 
attached it properly. Still playing, but at least the prefix is working.

>>> On May 11, 2018, at 11:04 PM, Peter Sj??berg <peters-oc...@techwiz.ca> 
>>> wrote:
>>> I see the new linux@linux-ottawa.org list is now in use but it seems to
>>> be missing list-id and with that some thunderbird (and I guess some
>>> other mailers) functions like "reply to list" isn't working (and my
>>> filter is harder to write).
>>> I know it's a new mailer and just wonder if List-* obsolete or replaced
>>> with something else (didn't see anything in the header) or maybe a
>>> switch or something missed to turn it on.
>>> 
>>> As ref, the other list have in the header a thing like
>>> List-Id: OCLUG Technical Discussions 
>>> but linux@linux-ottawa.org doesn't have any List-* at all in the header.

I can also add a custom header for filtering purposes, but I’m not sure what I 
should set it to at this point. Maybe:

List-Id: Linux-Ottawa Discussion List 

I’ll configure that and we can see if it shows up. This new system is a bit 
minimalistic, so all of this is configuring additions. Is anything else left 
out that should be there?


>>> Another thing, the other list ends with
>>> https://linux-ottawa.org/mailman/listinfo/linux
>>> and there I can then manage my subscription, this list manager has
>>> nothing at all in the footer and I have no clue how to manage it (and
>>> the other url does not redirect, it gives a 404)
>>> 
>>> Techwiz, Peter Sjoberg GPG key (42DD) on keyserver & homepage
> 
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There is also a footer filter that is supposed to strip out footers, but I have 
not messed with that. It is an alternative to the receive program, so I have 
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Re: new mailing list issue

[Scott Murphy]

That would be the down side of subscribing everybody silently.

You should be able to manage everything by visiting 
https://lists.linux-ottawa.org

There will be instructions there for the two existing lists. The mailing 
address remains linux@linux-ottawa.org and as it is not mailman, there are a 
few things that are different (well, all of them). I can add a footer, I had 
one on the test lists when I was configuring it and completely forgot to add 
one here. Assuming I got it correct, there will be a footer in this response 
with the above link in it.


> On May 11, 2018, at 11:04 PM, Peter Sjöberg  wrote:
> 
> I see the new linux@linux-ottawa.org list is now in use but it seems to
> be missing list-id and with that some thunderbird (and I guess some
> other mailers) functions like "reply to list" isn't working (and my
> filter is harder to write).
> I know it's a new mailer and just wonder if List-* obsolete or replaced
> with something else (didn't see anything in the header) or maybe a
> switch or something missed to turn it on.
> 
> As ref, the other list have in the header a thing like
> List-Id: OCLUG Technical Discussions 
> but linux@linux-ottawa.org doesn't have any List-* at all in the header.
> 
> Another thing, the other list ends with
> https://linux-ottawa.org/mailman/listinfo/linux
> and there I can then manage my subscription, this list manager has
> nothing at all in the footer and I have no clue how to manage it (and
> the other url does not redirect, it gives a 404)
> 
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May Meeting: 2018-05-03 @ 19:00

[Scott Murphy]

Location: We will be at Algonquin this month, room P-216B. Note the room change.

This month we will have a talk from Tug Williams on the motion project and a 
talk from Scott Murphy on hands-off virtualizing of old remote hardware.

There will be a one hour pre-meeting item from 18:00 to 19:00 for people who 
are new to Linux, have general questions, or wish to help out with people who 
are just getting started.

After the meeting, there may be an optional social event at one of the nearby 
pubs or restaurants. A short discussion and vote as to location will be taken 
then.

After the talks, there will be the opportunity for a GPG key signing. This is a 
monthly offering, just look for Scott after the talk and we can go from there. 
Bring some kind of photo ID and some keyslips if you expect people to sign your 
key. If you need some method of creating pages of keyslips, there is an online 
slip generator available at http://openpgp.quelltextlich.at/slip.html 
<http://openpgp.quelltextlich.at/slip.html>

Note: New speakers welcome. If you have a topic or know someone who may have a 
good topic for a meeting, feel free to suggest it to the board.


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