Re: [PATCH] timer (6/6): add cpu steal time fields to procps.
Hi Pavel, You really need to write nice description into Documentation describing what cpu steal time is. Will it be always 0 on non-virtualized machines? What about hyperthreading? Yes, the documentation is one thing that still needs to be done. The steal time is the time where the cpu has been scheduled to do something but did something else. This can be used for hyperthreading as well and it would reflect perfectly what the cpu is doing. The two threads that are scheduled on the cpu won't get 100% of the cpu, but lets say 80% and 60% of the single processor performance. The steal time would be 20% and 40%. You can even combine hyperthreading with virtual processors. The steal time is just the difference between 100% and the actual cpu usage of the process/thread. blue skies, Martin Linux/390 Design Development, IBM Deutschland Entwicklung GmbH Schönaicherstr. 220, D-71032 Böblingen, Telefon: 49 - (0)7031 - 16-2247 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Slack/390
I think I have this line coded as you suggested, [xdmcp] # Distributions: Ship with this off. It is never a safe thing to leave # out on the net. Alternatively you can set up /etc/hosts.allow and # /etc/hosts.deny to only allow say local access. Enable=true I don't know if this will be of any benefit but I am including the log from Labtam's Xserver. I am not able to get xdm to start as well. Thanks! [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/22/04 05:54PM Richard, /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf, line number 131 needs to be changed to Enable=true and then gdm restarted. Did you ever get xdm to start? If not, I'd like to try to get that problem figured out and fixed. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Richard Pinion Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Slack/390 What do I need to add/change in the gdm config file to enable this? [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/19/04 08:53AM On Iau, 2004-08-19 at 13:49, Richard Pinion wrote: I login as root and type in gdm and the same for xdm. gdm comes up but I can't get a session using Labtam's Xserver Windows software. gdm defaults to local access only. Either gdmconfig or fiddling with the config file by hand can be used to change that -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 xservert.dat Description: Binary data
Re: Slack/390
I'm not at all familiar with Labtam, but it looks as though your problem involves authorization, perhaps having to do with the MIT Magic Cookie. You might want to try looking at your X server setup on your Windows system, and see what kind of authentication/authorization is needed. Another option is to find the [debug] section in gdm.conf, and change the line Enable=false to Enable=true and restart gdm. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Pinion Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 8:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Slack/390 I think I have this line coded as you suggested, [xdmcp] # Distributions: Ship with this off. It is never a safe thing to leave # out on the net. Alternatively you can set up /etc/hosts.allow and # /etc/hosts.deny to only allow say local access. Enable=true I don't know if this will be of any benefit but I am including the log from Labtam's Xserver. I am not able to get xdm to start as well. Thanks! [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/22/04 05:54PM Richard, /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf, line number 131 needs to be changed to Enable=true and then gdm restarted. Did you ever get xdm to start? If not, I'd like to try to get that problem figured out and fixed. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Richard Pinion Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Slack/390 What do I need to add/change in the gdm config file to enable this? [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/19/04 08:53AM On Iau, 2004-08-19 at 13:49, Richard Pinion wrote: I login as root and type in gdm and the same for xdm. gdm comes up but I can't get a session using Labtam's Xserver Windows software. gdm defaults to local access only. Either gdmconfig or fiddling with the config file by hand can be used to change that -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: cpint-1.1.6 make errors on RHEL 3.0
There was a thread about this back in June, for Tao Linux (RHEL3-based). Start here: http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvtype?LINUX-VM.47450 Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sandeep Batta Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 7:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: cpint-1.1.6 make errors on RHEL 3.0 Hi, I am trying to 'make' cpint-1.1.6 downloaded from linuxvm.org/patches on my RHEL 3.0 Update 2 system. Here is what I receive when I run 'make' . Looking for help on what modifications need to be made to make it to work. [EMAIL PROTECTED] cpint-1.1.6]# make gcc -D__KERNEL__ -DMODULE -Wall -O2 -I/lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include -I/usr/include -c -o main.o main.c In file included from main.c:64: /usr/include/linux/proc_fs.h:70: syntax error before atomic_t /usr/include/linux/proc_fs.h:73: syntax error before '}' token /usr/include/linux/proc_fs.h:203: syntax error before void In file included from /usr/include/linux/sched.h:14, from /usr/include/asm-s390/uaccess.h:17, from /usr/include/asm/uaccess.h:4, from main.c:70: . (not including the rest of the messages to make it more readable) Regards, Sandeep Batta Host System Services, Phone : 919-224-1282 email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux390 LPAR - CPU info
Is there some reason what that number is important to you? I've been doing working with Linux/390 for 4 years now, and I've never much cared. Depending on what processor type (G5, G6, z990, etc.), it is somewhere in the range of 200MHz to 700Mhz, if all you're interested in is clock speed. IBM publishes MSU ratings for their various processor types, if you're interested in that. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taraka Srinivas Kumar Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 9:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Linux390 LPAR - CPU info Hello, We have SuSE 8.1 for zSeries 31 bit installed in an LPAR. Am trying to get the CPU speed information from Linux. I have verified /proc/cpuinfo file to get the CPU speed. But the format has been changed for Linux on zSeries as compared to Linux on Intel. Is there any way to get the CPU speed information on Linux for zSeries ? Regards, Srinivas. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
ipling initial linux tape
hi, i just subscribed to the list here. i'm running an mp3000 with three lpars defined, and am trying to ipl linux from the intall tape for the first time. when i ipl the tape (a 3490), all i get is a load failure, saying control unit or device is busy. i've tried varying off the drives/paths/chpid from all the other lpars and ipling again, but i get the same thing. anyone else run into this? i've looked around for a searchable archive for this list, and can't seem to find one. is there one? Robin Murray Tel: (902) 453-7300 x4177 Cell: (902) 430-0637 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: ipling initial linux tape
Is this by any chance a Red Hat distribution? If so, look at http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=121788 Apparently Red Hat will be putting out an updated s390utils package soon. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Murray Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 3:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ipling initial linux tape hi, i just subscribed to the list here. i'm running an mp3000 with three lpars defined, and am trying to ipl linux from the intall tape for the first time. when i ipl the tape (a 3490), all i get is a load failure, saying control unit or device is busy. i've tried varying off the drives/paths/chpid from all the other lpars and ipling again, but i get the same thing. anyone else run into this? i've looked around for a searchable archive for this list, and can't seem to find one. is there one? Robin Murray Tel: (902) 453-7300 x4177 Cell: (902) 430-0637 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: ipling initial linux tape
no, this is the kernal i downloaded from marist. i don't think this is a linux problem, i don't think it's even getting to linux. but i thought perhaps someone else has run across this... Robin Murray Tel: (902) 453-7300 x4177 Cell: (902) 430-0637 Post, Mark K [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: Linux on 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/23/2004 04:27 PM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: ipling initial linux tape Is this by any chance a Red Hat distribution? If so, look at http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=121788 Apparently Red Hat will be putting out an updated s390utils package soon. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Murray Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 3:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ipling initial linux tape i'm running an mp3000 with three lpars defined, and am trying to ipl linux from the intall tape for the first time. when i ipl the tape (a 3490), all i get is a load failure, saying control unit or device is busy. i've tried varying off the drives/paths/chpid from all the other lpars and ipling again, but i get the same thing. anyone else run into this? Robin Murray Tel: (902) 453-7300 x4177 Cell: (902) 430-0637 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Slack/390
I give up, I've tried everything suggested and everything I can think of (which ain't much!!!). One last attempt here's the debugging stuff thrown to /var/log/syslog Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_decode: Received opcode QUERY from client 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_query: Opcode 2 from 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_host_allow: client-hostname is dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_send_willing: Sending WILLING to 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_decode: Received opcode REQUEST from client 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_request: Got REQUEST from 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_host_allow: client-hostname is dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_request: xdmcp_pending=0, MaxPending=4, xdmcp_sessions=0, MaxSessions=16, ManufacturerID= Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_display_dispose_check (dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0) Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_auth_secure_display: Setting up access for dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_auth_secure_display: Setting up access Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_auth_secure_display: Setting up access for dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 - 1 entries Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_display_alloc: display=dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0, session id=-1671202951, xdmcp_pending=1 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_send_accept: Sending ACCEPT to 172.30.0.249 with SessionID=-1671202951 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_decode: Received opcode MANAGE from client 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_manage: Got MANAGE from 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_host_allow: client-hostname is dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_manage: Got Display=0, SessionID=-1671202951 Class=MIT-unspecified from 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_manage: Looked up dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_choose_indirect_lookup: Host 172.30.0.249 not found Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_forward_query_lookup: Host 172.30.0.249 not found Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_display_manage: Managing dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: loop check: last_start 0, last_loop 0, now: 1093271186, retry_count: 0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: Resetting counts for loop of death detection Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_display_manage: Forked slave: 280 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[280]: gdm_slave_start: Starting slave process for dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[280]: gdm_slave_start: Loop Thingie Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[280]: gdm_slave_run: Opening display dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[280]: gdm_slave_greeter: Running greeter on dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10:26:27 linux390 gdm[228]: (child 280) gdm_slave_child_handler Aug 23 10:26:27 linux390 gdm[280]: gdm_slave_greeter: Greeter on pid 285 Aug 23 10:26:27 linux390 gdm[280]: Sending GREETPID == 285 for slave 280 Aug 23 10:26:27 linux390 gdm[280]: Sending GREETPID 280 285 Aug 23 10:26:27 linux390 gdm[228]: Handling message: 'GREETPID 280 285' Aug 23 10:26:27 linux390 gdm[228]: Got GREETPID == 285 Aug 23 10:26:27 linux390 gdm[228]: (child 280) gdm_slave_usr2_handler: dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 got USR2 signal [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/state/gdm# I've even tried a different Windows Xserver, MicroImages MI-X 4.1. All I have is the blue screen with the little mouse clock or whatever that mouse pointer thingy is! [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/23/04 12:29PM I'm not at all familiar with Labtam, but it looks as though your problem involves authorization, perhaps having to do with the MIT Magic Cookie. You might want to try looking at your X server setup on your Windows system, and see what kind of authentication/authorization is needed. Another option is to find the [debug] section in gdm.conf, and change the line Enable=false to Enable=true and restart gdm. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Pinion Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 8:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Slack/390 I think I have this line coded as you suggested, [xdmcp] # Distributions: Ship with this off. It is never a safe thing to leave # out on the net. Alternatively you can set up /etc/hosts.allow and # /etc/hosts.deny to only allow say local access. Enable=true I don't know if this will be of any benefit but I am including the log from Labtam's Xserver. I am not able to get xdm to start as well. Thanks! [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/22/04 05:54PM Richard, /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf, line number 131 needs to be changed to Enable=true and then gdm restarted. Did you
Re: ipling initial linux tape
Are the tape drives on Bus Tag or ESCON? If they are ESCON are they defined for the LPAR you are trying to use them to boot into? If they are not ESCON are they defined as reconfigurable? -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robin Murray Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 3:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ipling initial linux tape no, this is the kernal i downloaded from marist. i don't think this is a linux problem, i don't think it's even getting to linux. but i thought perhaps someone else has run across this... Robin Murray Tel: (902) 453-7300 x4177 Cell: (902) 430-0637 Post, Mark K [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: Linux on 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/23/2004 04:27 PM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: ipling initial linux tape Is this by any chance a Red Hat distribution? If so, look at http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=121788 Apparently Red Hat will be putting out an updated s390utils package soon. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Murray Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 3:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ipling initial linux tape i'm running an mp3000 with three lpars defined, and am trying to ipl linux from the intall tape for the first time. when i ipl the tape (a 3490), all i get is a load failure, saying control unit or device is busy. i've tried varying off the drives/paths/chpid from all the other lpars and ipling again, but i get the same thing. anyone else run into this? Robin Murray Tel: (902) 453-7300 x4177 Cell: (902) 430-0637 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: ipling initial linux tape
I know this may be a long shot but it did happen to me several years ago. I had two 3490 c22's numbered 100 and 101. For several months we just mounted tapes according to what the tape displays idicated without really cross checking what the console was saying. One day I was attempting to IPL SAE on th test LPAR. These were escon 3490's shared between the two LPAR's. Anyway I kept issuing the IPL from device 100 command from the HMC. The 3490 drive said mount tape xx which I did but nothing happened. Did this many many times before I realized that the tape mount message was actually coming out on device 101 and not 100. The escon cables were crossed! Chances are this isn't your problem but you never know! [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/23/04 03:31PM no, this is the kernal i downloaded from marist. i don't think this is a linux problem, i don't think it's even getting to linux. but i thought perhaps someone else has run across this... Robin Murray Tel: (902) 453-7300 x4177 Cell: (902) 430-0637 Post, Mark K [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: Linux on 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/23/2004 04:27 PM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: ipling initial linux tape Is this by any chance a Red Hat distribution? If so, look at http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=121788 Apparently Red Hat will be putting out an updated s390utils package soon. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Murray Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 3:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ipling initial linux tape i'm running an mp3000 with three lpars defined, and am trying to ipl linux from the intall tape for the first time. when i ipl the tape (a 3490), all i get is a load failure, saying control unit or device is busy. i've tried varying off the drives/paths/chpid from all the other lpars and ipling again, but i get the same thing. anyone else run into this? Robin Murray Tel: (902) 453-7300 x4177 Cell: (902) 430-0637 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
backup questions
Hi gang. I'm running Suse on an lpar on a MP3K H30. I need to back this thing up and I think I'm having some kind of senior moment. I'm trying amanda but that's kind of different to set up and seems to be a bit much for my purposes. I'd really just like an image backup using tar but I keep erroring out, I think when it fills the tape. My tar command is: tar cvf /dev/ntibm0 / I'm trying to backup the whole planet. Do any of you see an error in my tar command or is there a better utility (preferably a freebee)? I have a new appreciation for DDR. Thanks for any help. Andrew Engels, CPIMwww.grtlks.com Great Lakes Consulting, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (773) 205-1431 Chicago, IL Where the sky was first scraped Support SAGGROUP International in your local region: http://www.saggroup.org Watch for the next NATURAL Conference: www.naturalconference.com Catch the WAVV! www.wavv.org -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: backup questions
On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 16:00, Andy Engels wrote: Hi gang. I'm running Suse on an lpar on a MP3K H30. I need to back this thing up and I think I'm having some kind of senior moment. I'm trying amanda but that's kind of different to set up and seems to be a bit much for my purposes. I'd really just like an image backup using tar but I keep erroring out, I think when it fills the tape. My tar command is: tar cvf /dev/ntibm0 / I'm trying to backup the whole planet. Do any of you see an error in my tar command or is there a better utility (preferably a freebee)? You can do better with tar. For starters, if you want to be able to restore that backup in any useful sense, you want a p option to preserve permissions. If you use -j it will compress with bzip2, if you use -z it will compress with gzip, and -Z with compress. Those are in reverse order of compression ratio. So the first thing to try is tar cvfpj /dev/ntibm0 / Adam -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Slack/390
Hello from Gregg C Levine One clause must be given here, with regards to the following statements, I have been using the Slackware distribution because it works for me. You have tried the MIX X server? Then you should have read their FAQ on accessing the services from a Linux box. Their FAQ uses the telnet program but since that program is being no longer used because of the obvious security reasons, I chose SSH in the following explanation. Its really quite simple, you SSH into your box, once you've logged on, set the display to match the IP address of where the MIX X server has its face. Then you run your program, and append an to the end of the program name, before running it, such as #xterm(1), and you'll find your seeing an XTERM screen showing you with the prompt for your Slackware-390 session. One caveat they forgot to provide is making sure that the properties for X forwarding are turned on for SSH, most of the time its turned off. If your running Slackware-390 on big iron, there won't be a big performance problem, however, if your running the OS via, Hercules, say, there might be one, but not much. I've done this via MIX X server, and the SSH program from SSH to an Intel Slackware-9.1 system, running here, and it works. However if you have X running on the Linux box, there will be a complaint on the SSH screen. Mark if you want to make that part of a FAQ, or a HOWTO for your website, then go right, all I ask for credit be given. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi (1) # means root prompt. Commands are given in lower case because most systems expect them that way. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Pinion Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 3:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Slack/390 I give up, I've tried everything suggested and everything I can think of (which ain't much!!!). One last attempt here's the debugging stuff thrown to /var/log/syslog Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_decode: Received opcode QUERY from client 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_query: Opcode 2 from 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_host_allow: client-hostname is dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_send_willing: Sending WILLING to 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_decode: Received opcode REQUEST from client 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_request: Got REQUEST from 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_host_allow: client-hostname is dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_request: xdmcp_pending=0, MaxPending=4, xdmcp_sessions=0, MaxSessions=16, ManufacturerID= Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_display_dispose_check (dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0) Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_auth_secure_display: Setting up access for dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_auth_secure_display: Setting up access Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_auth_secure_display: Setting up access for dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 - 1 entries Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_display_alloc: display=dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0, session id=-1671202951, xdmcp_pending=1 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_send_accept: Sending ACCEPT to 172.30.0.249 with SessionID=-1671202951 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_decode: Received opcode MANAGE from client 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_manage: Got MANAGE from 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_host_allow: client-hostname is dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_manage: Got Display=0, SessionID=-1671202951 Class=MIT-unspecified from 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_manage: Looked up dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_choose_indirect_lookup: Host 172.30.0.249 not found Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_forward_query_lookup: Host 172.30.0.249 not found Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_display_manage: Managing dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: loop check: last_start 0, last_loop 0, now: 1093271186, retry_count: 0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: Resetting counts for loop of death detection Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_display_manage: Forked slave: 280 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[280]: gdm_slave_start: Starting slave process for dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[280]: gdm_slave_start: Loop Thingie Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[280]: gdm_slave_run: Opening display dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23
Apache setup question
Hi, I have been asked to set up a web server for a Linux partition S390 (9672-R26). I'm a newbie to Linux (and networking). I got Linux (2.4.17) up (Debian GNU/Linux 3.0rev2) and am serving web pages with apache (1.3.26), but I've a irritation that I can not seem to figure out. I want the user to be able to come in with tcpipName-or-address/test1 Please note the lack of / at the end (it works fine if the final / is added). Is there any way to do this, and if so how? In httpd.conf I've got IfModule mod_dir.c DirectoryIndex index.html index.htm default.htm /IfModule Alias /test1 /usr/mywebtest/ Directory /usr/mywebtest/ Options Indexes MultiViews AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all /Directory The first page is in /usr/mywebtest/default.htm I've tried an alias pointing directly to that (Alias /test1 /usr/mywebtest/default.htm ), but that seemed to make the base directory for all other pages, images, ... the root directory (not /usr/mywebtest like I wanted it to be). Thanks, Steven. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Slack/390
Based on the various Google searches I did, this all looks normal. It really appears to me that the Labtam X server on your Windows system is refusing to authorize/authenticate the Linux system. As someone else pointed out, when you use MI/X, you need to SSH to the Linux system (make sure you have X Forwarding turned on in /etc/ssh/sshd_config) and start your X client there. It should display just fine on your Windows system. I am curious, though, why you want to have a GNOME desktop running on your mainframe. Seems like an awful waste of CPU cycles and network bandwidth. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Pinion Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 3:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Slack/390 I give up, I've tried everything suggested and everything I can think of (which ain't much!!!). One last attempt here's the debugging stuff thrown to /var/log/syslog Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_decode: Received opcode QUERY from client 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_query: Opcode 2 from 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_host_allow: client-hostname is dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_send_willing: Sending WILLING to 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_decode: Received opcode REQUEST from client 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_request: Got REQUEST from 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_host_allow: client-hostname is dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_request: xdmcp_pending=0, MaxPending=4, xdmcp_sessions=0, MaxSessions=16, ManufacturerID= Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_display_dispose_check (dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0) Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_auth_secure_display: Setting up access for dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_auth_secure_display: Setting up access Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_auth_secure_display: Setting up access for dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 - 1 entries Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_display_alloc: display=dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0, session id=-1671202951, xdmcp_pending=1 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_send_accept: Sending ACCEPT to 172.30.0.249 with SessionID=-1671202951 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_decode: Received opcode MANAGE from client 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_manage: Got MANAGE from 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_host_allow: client-hostname is dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_manage: Got Display=0, SessionID=-1671202951 Class=MIT-unspecified from 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_manage: Looked up dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_choose_indirect_lookup: Host 172.30.0.249 not found Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_forward_query_lookup: Host 172.30.0.249 not found Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_display_manage: Managing dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: loop check: last_start 0, last_loop 0, now: 1093271186, retry_count: 0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: Resetting counts for loop of death detection Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_display_manage: Forked slave: 280 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[280]: gdm_slave_start: Starting slave process for dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[280]: gdm_slave_start: Loop Thingie Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[280]: gdm_slave_run: Opening display dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[280]: gdm_slave_greeter: Running greeter on dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10:26:27 linux390 gdm[228]: (child 280) gdm_slave_child_handler Aug 23 10:26:27 linux390 gdm[280]: gdm_slave_greeter: Greeter on pid 285 Aug 23 10:26:27 linux390 gdm[280]: Sending GREETPID == 285 for slave 280 Aug 23 10:26:27 linux390 gdm[280]: Sending GREETPID 280 285 Aug 23 10:26:27 linux390 gdm[228]: Handling message: 'GREETPID 280 285' Aug 23 10:26:27 linux390 gdm[228]: Got GREETPID == 285 Aug 23 10:26:27 linux390 gdm[228]: (child 280) gdm_slave_usr2_handler: dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 got USR2 signal [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/state/gdm# I've even tried a different Windows Xserver, MicroImages MI-X 4.1. All I have is the blue screen with the little mouse clock or whatever that mouse pointer thingy is! [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/23/04 12:29PM I'm not at all familiar with Labtam, but it looks as though your problem involves authorization, perhaps having to do with the MIT Magic Cookie. You might want to try looking at your X server setup on your Windows system, and see what kind of authentication/authorization is needed. Another option is to find the [debug] section in gdm.conf, and change the line Enable=false to Enable=true and restart gdm. Mark Post
Re: ipling initial linux tape
Hmm. IPLing from tape is a gigantic pain, just for reasons like this. Make sure you rewind in-between each attempt. You might also want to create a .tdf file that points to the three starter files and try to IPL from an emulated tape drive, since this is an MP3K. The Marist file system that is currently on their web site is extremely out of date. You might want to take a look at some of the other options, such as Debian for S/390, Slack/390, Tao Linux for S/390, etc. Finally, I didn't answer your question about searchable archives. Yes, there is one at the bottom of http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?linux-390 Be warned, that it is very slow. That's why I make gzip-compressed copies available at http://linuxvm.org/archives/ so that people can download them, uncompress them, and search them on their local desktop system. There is an unofficial archive at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/index.html that some people find useful. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Murray Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 3:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ipling initial linux tape no, this is the kernal i downloaded from marist. i don't think this is a linux problem, i don't think it's even getting to linux. but i thought perhaps someone else has run across this... Robin Murray Tel: (902) 453-7300 x4177 Cell: (902) 430-0637 Post, Mark K [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: Linux on 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/23/2004 04:27 PM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: ipling initial linux tape Is this by any chance a Red Hat distribution? If so, look at http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=121788 Apparently Red Hat will be putting out an updated s390utils package soon. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Murray Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 3:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ipling initial linux tape i'm running an mp3000 with three lpars defined, and am trying to ipl linux from the intall tape for the first time. when i ipl the tape (a 3490), all i get is a load failure, saying control unit or device is busy. i've tried varying off the drives/paths/chpid from all the other lpars and ipling again, but i get the same thing. anyone else run into this? Robin Murray Tel: (902) 453-7300 x4177 Cell: (902) 430-0637 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Slack/390
Hello from Gregg C Levine Mark, that was me. And your interpretation of my instructions are indeed correct. Richard if this works, I'd appreciate getting an e-mail. No comment regarding the GNOME desktop however. I looked at the Labtam product, as well as one other. Way too expensive for my needs. Also too difficult to setup. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Post, Mark K Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 7:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Slack/390 Based on the various Google searches I did, this all looks normal. It really appears to me that the Labtam X server on your Windows system is refusing to authorize/authenticate the Linux system. As someone else pointed out, when you use MI/X, you need to SSH to the Linux system (make sure you have X Forwarding turned on in /etc/ssh/sshd_config) and start your X client there. It should display just fine on your Windows system. I am curious, though, why you want to have a GNOME desktop running on your mainframe. Seems like an awful waste of CPU cycles and network bandwidth. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Pinion Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 3:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Slack/390 I give up, I've tried everything suggested and everything I can think of (which ain't much!!!). One last attempt here's the debugging stuff thrown to /var/log/syslog Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_decode: Received opcode QUERY from client 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_query: Opcode 2 from 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_host_allow: client-hostname is dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_send_willing: Sending WILLING to 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_decode: Received opcode REQUEST from client 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_request: Got REQUEST from 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_host_allow: client-hostname is dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_request: xdmcp_pending=0, MaxPending=4, xdmcp_sessions=0, MaxSessions=16, ManufacturerID= Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_display_dispose_check (dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0) Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_auth_secure_display: Setting up access for dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_auth_secure_display: Setting up access Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_auth_secure_display: Setting up access for dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 - 1 entries Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_display_alloc: display=dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0, session id=-1671202951, xdmcp_pending=1 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_send_accept: Sending ACCEPT to 172.30.0.249 with SessionID=-1671202951 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_decode: Received opcode MANAGE from client 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_manage: Got MANAGE from 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_host_allow: client-hostname is dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_manage: Got Display=0, SessionID=-1671202951 Class=MIT-unspecified from 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_manage: Looked up dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_choose_indirect_lookup: Host 172.30.0.249 not found Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_forward_query_lookup: Host 172.30.0.249 not found Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_display_manage: Managing dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: loop check: last_start 0, last_loop 0, now: 1093271186, retry_count: 0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: Resetting counts for loop of death detection Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_display_manage: Forked slave: 280 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[280]: gdm_slave_start: Starting slave process for dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[280]: gdm_slave_start: Loop Thingie Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[280]: gdm_slave_run: Opening display dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[280]: gdm_slave_greeter: Running greeter on dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10:26:27 linux390 gdm[228]: (child 280) gdm_slave_child_handler Aug 23 10:26:27 linux390 gdm[280]: gdm_slave_greeter: Greeter on pid 285 Aug 23 10:26:27 linux390 gdm[280]: Sending GREETPID == 285 for slave 280 Aug 23 10:26:27 linux390 gdm[280]: Sending GREETPID 280 285 Aug 23 10:26:27 linux390 gdm[228]: Handling message: 'GREETPID 280
Re: Apache setup question
You should be able to do that in version 2 of Apache, which you should really try to get installed. I think levels beyond 2.0.43 or something have some security fixes as well as this multi-directory feature. I'm not sure that it worked very well on version 1. I have 2.0.49 installed. At 05:06 PM 8/23/2004, you wrote: Hi, I have been asked to set up a web server for a Linux partition S390 (9672-R26). I'm a newbie to Linux (and networking). I got Linux (2.4.17) up (Debian GNU/Linux 3.0rev2) and am serving web pages with apache (1.3.26), but I've a irritation that I can not seem to figure out. I want the user to be able to come in with tcpipName-or-address/test1 Please note the lack of / at the end (it works fine if the final / is added). Is there any way to do this, and if so how? In httpd.conf I've got IfModule mod_dir.c DirectoryIndex index.html index.htm default.htm /IfModule Alias /test1 /usr/mywebtest/ Directory /usr/mywebtest/ Options Indexes MultiViews AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all /Directory The first page is in /usr/mywebtest/default.htm I've tried an alias pointing directly to that (Alias /test1 /usr/mywebtest/default.htm ), but that seemed to make the base directory for all other pages, images, ... the root directory (not /usr/mywebtest like I wanted it to be). Thanks, Steven. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 Andrew Engels, CPIMwww.grtlks.com Great Lakes Consulting, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (773) 205-1431 Chicago, IL Where the sky was first scraped Support SAGGROUP International in your local region: http://www.saggroup.org Watch for the next NATURAL Conference: www.naturalconference.com Catch the WAVV! www.wavv.org -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
