Re: SSH for zVM?
Nix, Robert P. wrote: I was looking for something to ship a single command or string of commands across to the zLinux image. I don't actually want to start a session like telnet or transfer a file like ftp. (Although sftp support would be nice too...) If both ends and the path are secure, rsh (or rexec) will do the command bit. You can secure things somewhat at the Linux end with tcpwrappers (enforcing IP address limitations) and/or with iptables (same deal). Bear in mind anyone with access to he zVM system (or who can use/fake its ip address) might also be able to do things on the zLinux system. If you have an https client on zVM you could use a web interface. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tourist pics http://portgeographe.environmentaldisasters.cds.merseine.nu/ do not reply off-list -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Trying to move a file system recursively using tar
Post, Mark K wrote: I'd like to see line 163 of the create_system script: cat create_system | sed -e '160,165 !d' cat -evT create_system | sed -e '160,165 !d' I know I should restrain myself, but I do this: cat -n create_system | grep -w3 165 which has its disadvantages, but I can remember it more easily. I've just tried this: cat -evT create_system | sed -e '1,160d;170,$d' Note this won't work nearly so well: cat -evT create_system | sed -e "1,160d;170,$d" I link the line numbers, Mark likes other things. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tourist pics http://portgeographe.environmentaldisasters.cds.merseine.nu/ do not reply off-list -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Trying to move a file system recursively using tar
Rick Troth wrote: Hard links are where one physical file shows up in two directories. This is common in Unix (and Linux). But a "hard link" cannot cross physical filesystems, and since you're breaking out a single into multiples, it is very possible for this to happen. The solution is for one of the two to be a sym-link. (aka "soft link") This is likely to be a MANUAL PROCESS. If there are just a few, it's probably no problem. If there are many, or you need to automate this, it could be messy. Which of them should be the real file and which should be the sym-link? Red Hat used to symlink, but a symlink assumes /etc and the target are both present at the same time. Since /usr can be mounted later, this is problematic. I'd never checked the link count, and assumed the correct file was copied to /etc. I now supposed it's done like this: cp -l /etc/localtime The other error MAY be that the "consumer" TAR did in fact quit and left a shell reading from the "source" TAR. Ugly! I don't use the parenthesis trick. I use a different syntax for sub-shell hacks, which MAY be of help here. Try it: cd / tar -clpSf - . | sh -c ' cd /mnt ; exec tar -xpSf - ' Nothing wrong with ... | tar xpf /mnt --file - -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tourist pics http://portgeographe.environmentaldisasters.cds.merseine.nu/ do not reply off-list -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SSH for zVM?
Hello from Gregg C Levine Question! What are the settings for the /dev/rdr and the /dev/punch? Naturally I know these are S/390 Linux and zVM appropriate, but it seemed like a good question at the time. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "Remember the Force will be with you. Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi > -Original Message- > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Rick Troth > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 4:12 PM > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] SSH for zVM? > > On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Jay Maynard wrote: > > Merciful $DEITY. > > At some point, you're on the bare metal: > no 'chroot', no emulation, no hypervisor. No substitute. > > > You mean you can start a shell on a reader/punch combo? > > Sure! > > sh < /dev/rdr > > For that matter, you can start a shell on a raw disk: > > sh < /dev/dasdd > > I may still have a Linux that does something much like this. > > -- R; > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- > 390 or visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Trying to move a file system recursively using tar
My experience has been that tar just keeps chugging unless it can't read something from the archive itself. You're not seeing that, just getting informational messages. I would bet you that it finished, after doing as well as it could. The hard link errors are because you're copying a file (with a hard link) onto two separate file systems. Hard links cannot go across file systems, only soft links. Since /usr is frequently a mounted file system, separate from /etc in the root file system, I'm surprised that those links to the time zone are hard ones, not soft ones. You should be able to recreate the links easily enough after you get the new system up. I'd like to see line 163 of the create_system script: cat create_system | sed -e '160,165 !d' cat -evT create_system | sed -e '160,165 !d' Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Melin Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 5:46 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Trying to move a file system recursively using tar Is there a limit to how many 'errors' tar will accept in a copy operation and if so can it be overridden? I am copying a single disk system to a 'broken out' multiple HFS structure via: cd / tar -clpSf - . | (cd /mnt ; tar -xpSf - ) the mounted file systems: (percentage use is after copy) /dev/dasdb12125924 1926936 90996 96% / tmpfs 510532 0510532 0% /dev/shm /dev/dasdc1 209120141744 56584 72% /mnt /dev/dasdd1 52200 8948 40560 19% /mnt/boot /dev/dasde1 34764 460 32512 2% /mnt/root /dev/dasdf1 191680 90384 91404 50% /mnt/home /dev/dasdk1 418344 65280331472 17% /mnt/var /dev/dasdi1 85029220807080 1% /tmp /dev/dasda1 85029220807080 1% /mnt/work /dev/dasdg12763768141052 2482324 6% /mnt/opt /dev/dasdj12976336 1446328 1378816 52% /mnt/usr /dev/dasdh1 237720 4225448 1% /mnt/opt/IBM/WebSphere Mostly I get socket errors. I've been told in the past that those are not anything I should worry about, but the last few 'Cannot hard link' errors and then the unrevealing last message are strange. The copy failed complaining: ./create_system: line 163: syntax error near unexpected token `)' ./create_system: line 163: `- )' and the only occurrence of -) in the thing is in the tar command shown above. The methodology I used to get here is shown in: http://www.linuxvm.org/Info/HOWTOs/movefs.html If anyone has any advice/insight, I'd appreciate any input. tar: ./dev/log: socket ignored tar: ./var/lib/ntp/dev/log: socket ignored tar: ./var/run/.resmgr_socket: socket ignored tar: ./var/run/.nscd_socket: socket ignored tar: ./var/spool/postfix/private/rewrite: socket ignored tar: ./var/spool/postfix/private/bounce: socket ignored tar: ./var/spool/postfix/private/defer: socket ignored tar: ./var/spool/postfix/private/trace: socket ignored tar: ./dev/log: socket ignored tar: ./var/lib/ntp/dev/log: socket ignored tar: ./var/run/.resmgr_socket: socket ignored tar: ./var/run/.nscd_socket: socket ignored - snips 20 lines from example- tar: ./var/spool/postfix/public/cleanup: socket ignored tar: ./var/spool/postfix/public/flush: socket ignored tar: ./var/spool/postfix/public/showq: socket ignored tar: ./usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago: Cannot hard link to `./etc/localtime': No such file or directory tar: ./usr/share/zoneinfo/SystemV/CST6CDT: Cannot hard link to `./etc/localtime': No such file or directory tar: ./usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Central: Cannot hard link to `./etc/localtime': No such file or directory tar: ./usr/share/zoneinfo/CST6CDT: Cannot hard link to `./etc/localtime': No such file or directory tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Trying to move a file system recursively using tar
Hard links are where one physical file shows up in two directories. This is common in Unix (and Linux). But a "hard link" cannot cross physical filesystems, and since you're breaking out a single into multiples, it is very possible for this to happen. The solution is for one of the two to be a sym-link. (aka "soft link") This is likely to be a MANUAL PROCESS. If there are just a few, it's probably no problem. If there are many, or you need to automate this, it could be messy. Which of them should be the real file and which should be the sym-link? The other error MAY be that the "consumer" TAR did in fact quit and left a shell reading from the "source" TAR. Ugly! I don't use the parenthesis trick. I use a different syntax for sub-shell hacks, which MAY be of help here. Try it: cd / tar -clpSf - . | sh -c ' cd /mnt ; exec tar -xpSf - ' The "exec" will force the shell to go away, replaced with 'tar' after the 'cd' operation. If you still get "line 163: syntax error", then I am at a loss. -- R; On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, James Melin wrote: > Is there a limit to how many 'errors' tar will accept in a copy operation > and if so can it be overridden? > > I am copying a single disk system to a 'broken out' multiple HFS structure > via: > > cd / > tar -clpSf - . | (cd /mnt ; tar -xpSf - ) > > the mounted file systems: (percentage use is after copy) > > /dev/dasdb12125924 1926936 90996 96% / > tmpfs 510532 0510532 0% /dev/shm > /dev/dasdc1 209120141744 56584 72% /mnt > /dev/dasdd1 52200 8948 40560 19% /mnt/boot > /dev/dasde1 34764 460 32512 2% /mnt/root > /dev/dasdf1 191680 90384 91404 50% /mnt/home > /dev/dasdk1 418344 65280331472 17% /mnt/var > /dev/dasdi1 85029220807080 1% /tmp > /dev/dasda1 85029220807080 1% /mnt/work > /dev/dasdg12763768141052 2482324 6% /mnt/opt > /dev/dasdj12976336 1446328 1378816 52% /mnt/usr > /dev/dasdh1 237720 4225448 1% > /mnt/opt/IBM/WebSphere > > > Mostly I get socket errors. I've been told in the past that those are not > anything I should worry about, but the last few 'Cannot hard link' errors > and then the unrevealing last message are strange. > The copy failed complaining: > > ./create_system: line 163: syntax error near unexpected token `)' > ./create_system: line 163: `- )' > > and the only occurrence of -) in the thing is in the tar command shown > above. The methodology I used to get here is shown in: > http://www.linuxvm.org/Info/HOWTOs/movefs.html If anyone has any > advice/insight, I'd appreciate any input. > > tar: ./dev/log: socket ignored > tar: ./var/lib/ntp/dev/log: socket ignored > tar: ./var/run/.resmgr_socket: socket ignored > tar: ./var/run/.nscd_socket: socket ignored > tar: ./var/spool/postfix/private/rewrite: socket ignored > tar: ./var/spool/postfix/private/bounce: socket ignored > tar: ./var/spool/postfix/private/defer: socket ignored > tar: ./var/spool/postfix/private/trace: socket ignored > tar: ./dev/log: socket ignored > tar: ./var/lib/ntp/dev/log: socket ignored > tar: ./var/run/.resmgr_socket: socket ignored > tar: ./var/run/.nscd_socket: socket ignored > > - snips 20 lines from example- > > tar: ./var/spool/postfix/public/cleanup: socket ignored > tar: ./var/spool/postfix/public/flush: socket ignored > tar: ./var/spool/postfix/public/showq: socket ignored > tar: ./usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago: Cannot hard link to > `./etc/localtime': No such file or directory > tar: ./usr/share/zoneinfo/SystemV/CST6CDT: Cannot hard link to > `./etc/localtime': No such file or directory > tar: ./usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Central: Cannot hard link to > `./etc/localtime': No such file or directory > tar: ./usr/share/zoneinfo/CST6CDT: Cannot hard link to `./etc/localtime': > No such file or directory > tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Trying to move a file system recursively using tar
Is there a limit to how many 'errors' tar will accept in a copy operation and if so can it be overridden? I am copying a single disk system to a 'broken out' multiple HFS structure via: cd / tar -clpSf - . | (cd /mnt ; tar -xpSf - ) the mounted file systems: (percentage use is after copy) /dev/dasdb12125924 1926936 90996 96% / tmpfs 510532 0510532 0% /dev/shm /dev/dasdc1 209120141744 56584 72% /mnt /dev/dasdd1 52200 8948 40560 19% /mnt/boot /dev/dasde1 34764 460 32512 2% /mnt/root /dev/dasdf1 191680 90384 91404 50% /mnt/home /dev/dasdk1 418344 65280331472 17% /mnt/var /dev/dasdi1 85029220807080 1% /tmp /dev/dasda1 85029220807080 1% /mnt/work /dev/dasdg12763768141052 2482324 6% /mnt/opt /dev/dasdj12976336 1446328 1378816 52% /mnt/usr /dev/dasdh1 237720 4225448 1% /mnt/opt/IBM/WebSphere Mostly I get socket errors. I've been told in the past that those are not anything I should worry about, but the last few 'Cannot hard link' errors and then the unrevealing last message are strange. The copy failed complaining: ./create_system: line 163: syntax error near unexpected token `)' ./create_system: line 163: `- )' and the only occurrence of -) in the thing is in the tar command shown above. The methodology I used to get here is shown in: http://www.linuxvm.org/Info/HOWTOs/movefs.html If anyone has any advice/insight, I'd appreciate any input. tar: ./dev/log: socket ignored tar: ./var/lib/ntp/dev/log: socket ignored tar: ./var/run/.resmgr_socket: socket ignored tar: ./var/run/.nscd_socket: socket ignored tar: ./var/spool/postfix/private/rewrite: socket ignored tar: ./var/spool/postfix/private/bounce: socket ignored tar: ./var/spool/postfix/private/defer: socket ignored tar: ./var/spool/postfix/private/trace: socket ignored tar: ./dev/log: socket ignored tar: ./var/lib/ntp/dev/log: socket ignored tar: ./var/run/.resmgr_socket: socket ignored tar: ./var/run/.nscd_socket: socket ignored - snips 20 lines from example- tar: ./var/spool/postfix/public/cleanup: socket ignored tar: ./var/spool/postfix/public/flush: socket ignored tar: ./var/spool/postfix/public/showq: socket ignored tar: ./usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago: Cannot hard link to `./etc/localtime': No such file or directory tar: ./usr/share/zoneinfo/SystemV/CST6CDT: Cannot hard link to `./etc/localtime': No such file or directory tar: ./usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Central: Cannot hard link to `./etc/localtime': No such file or directory tar: ./usr/share/zoneinfo/CST6CDT: Cannot hard link to `./etc/localtime': No such file or directory tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SUSE Linux for 390
Uhhh, yeah. Thanks for sharing. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shogunx Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 4:44 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: SUSE Linux for 390 On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Post, Mark K wrote: > And what does any of that have to do with what I said? > thats debian. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SSL on Enterprise SuSe Linux 9 on a zVM IFL
Ila, Just what issues? If you're able to SSH to the system, SSL is working at least for that purpose. What are you trying to do, and what's going wrong? Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Miller, Ila Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 4:53 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: SSL on Enterprise SuSe Linux 9 on a zVM IFL Hello, We are having issues running SSL on our SuSe Enterprise Linux 9 on our zVM IFL linux guest. We cannot seem to get it to work. It works on the intel platform. Has anyone else had an issue with SSL on SuSE Enterprise Linux 9 running under zVM 5.1? Ila Z. Miller -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
SSL on Enterprise SuSe Linux 9 on a zVM IFL
Hello, We are having issues running SSL on our SuSe Enterprise Linux 9 on our zVM IFL linux guest. We cannot seem to get it to work. It works on the intel platform. Has anyone else had an issue with SSL on SuSE Enterprise Linux 9 running under zVM 5.1? Ila Z. Miller ___ ___ Health Care Information Systems University of Iowa Hospitals & Clinics [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 319.356.0067 FAX: 319.356.3521 Notice: This e-mail (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, then delete it. Thank you. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: UDB for RHEL 4 32(31) bit
Thanks, Tom Tom Shilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: Linux on 390 Port 10/20/2005 02:46 PM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU cc: Subject:Re: UDB for RHEL 4 32(31) bit UDB 8.2 is identical to UDB 8.1 with fixpak 7a, if that helps. Even if it doesn't. :-) tom - - - - - - - - - - - - Toto, I have a feeling we're not in the mainframe world any more. _/) Tom Shilson ~Unix Team / IT Server Services Aloha Tel: 651-733-7591 tshilson at mmm dot com Fax: 651-736-7689 Linux on 390 Port wrote on 10/20/2005 02:04:03 PM: > Hello. Does anyone know where I can get UDB 8.2 for RHEL4 32(31) bit > flavor? I've been to the IBM website to down load a trial UDB 8.2 and all > they have is 64bit for S/390. > I'm running z/VM 5.1 and running RHEL 4 (31 bit) > I have tried the 64bit flavor of Linux and have had odd things happen so I > apprehensive to try it again. > Thanks, > Steve > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SUSE Linux for 390
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Post, Mark K wrote: > And what does any of that have to do with what I said? > thats debian. > > Mark Post > > -Original Message- > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > shogunx > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 4:02 PM > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: Re: SUSE Linux for 390 > > > On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Post, Mark K wrote: > > > If and only if ISV certifications are not an issue, and they usually > > are. Plus, while I know the gang at SNA does a good job of providing > > commercial support for Debian/390, a lot of PHBs are not going to be > > willing to use them because they don't have thousands of employees all > > > over the world. Another reason why PHBs stink, but unfortunately > > they're a fact of life. > > Not that I have a problem with commercial Linux vendors... I don't, nor > do I have a problem with anyone making a living from open source > support. The roots (no pun intended) of the community are still in > effect in the form of a system that anyone CAN use, gratis, with open > source and open documentation, and that is what matters. > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > sleekfreak pirate broadcast http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SUSE Linux for 390
And what does any of that have to do with what I said? Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shogunx Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 4:02 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: SUSE Linux for 390 On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Post, Mark K wrote: > If and only if ISV certifications are not an issue, and they usually > are. Plus, while I know the gang at SNA does a good job of providing > commercial support for Debian/390, a lot of PHBs are not going to be > willing to use them because they don't have thousands of employees all > over the world. Another reason why PHBs stink, but unfortunately > they're a fact of life. Not that I have a problem with commercial Linux vendors... I don't, nor do I have a problem with anyone making a living from open source support. The roots (no pun intended) of the community are still in effect in the form of a system that anyone CAN use, gratis, with open source and open documentation, and that is what matters. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SSH for zVM?
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Jay Maynard wrote: > Merciful $DEITY. At some point, you're on the bare metal: no 'chroot', no emulation, no hypervisor. No substitute. > You mean you can start a shell on a reader/punch combo? Sure! sh < /dev/rdr For that matter, you can start a shell on a raw disk: sh < /dev/dasdd I may still have a Linux that does something much like this. -- R; -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SSH for zVM?
On Oct 20, 2005, at 3:01 PM, Jay Maynard wrote: On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 02:53:48PM -0500, Adam Thornton wrote: On Oct 20, 2005, at 2:45 PM, Thomas Kern wrote: I agree that if the traffic is staying within the box there is no real snooping problem. But we are trying to talk to linux servers and some paranoid security people do not want any clear-text traffic for any linux servers. In that case, do ur or IUCV and tell 'em it's not network traffic. Merciful $DEITY. You mean you can start a shell on a reader/punch combo? Not as such, or at least, I've never tried. But no reason you can't watch the reader, and when you get something in, receive it to a file and submit that file as a shell script, putting the redirected output of stdout and stderr back into the punch as, say $$.stdout and $ $.stderr (where $$ expands to "the pid of that process"). A little magic to spool your punch to the appropriate user and run everything through EBCDIC <-> ASCII translation, and it's all good. Adam -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SSH for zVM?
On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 02:53:48PM -0500, Adam Thornton wrote: > On Oct 20, 2005, at 2:45 PM, Thomas Kern wrote: > >I agree that if the traffic is staying within the box there is no real > >snooping problem. But we are trying to talk to linux servers and some > >paranoid security people do not want any clear-text traffic for any linux > >servers. > In that case, do ur or IUCV and tell 'em it's not network traffic. Merciful $DEITY. You mean you can start a shell on a reader/punch combo? -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.cx http://www.tronguy.net (Yes, that's me!) http://jmaynard.livejournal.com -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SUSE Linux for 390
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Post, Mark K wrote: > If and only if ISV certifications are not an issue, and they usually > are. Plus, while I know the gang at SNA does a good job of providing > commercial support for Debian/390, a lot of PHBs are not going to be > willing to use them because they don't have thousands of employees all > over the world. Another reason why PHBs stink, but unfortunately > they're a fact of life. Not that I have a problem with commercial Linux vendors... I don't, nor do I have a problem with anyone making a living from open source support. The roots (no pun intended) of the community are still in effect in the form of a system that anyone CAN use, gratis, with open source and open documentation, and that is what matters. > > > Mark Post > > -Original Message- > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > shogunx > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 1:26 PM > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: Re: SUSE Linux for 390 > > > -snip- > > Makes a decent case for Debian s/390 and good old > > apt-get update && apt-get upgrade. > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > sleekfreak pirate broadcast http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SSH for zVM?
On Oct 20, 2005, at 2:45 PM, Thomas Kern wrote: I agree that if the traffic is staying within the box there is no real snooping problem. But we are trying to talk to linux servers and some paranoid security people do not want any clear-text traffic for any linux servers. In that case, do ur or IUCV and tell 'em it's not network traffic. Adam -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: UDB for RHEL 4 32(31) bit
UDB 8.2 is identical to UDB 8.1 with fixpak 7a, if that helps. Even if it doesn't. :-) tom - - - - - - - - - - - - Toto, I have a feeling we're not in the mainframe world any more. _/) Tom Shilson ~Unix Team / IT Server Services Aloha Tel: 651-733-7591 tshilson at mmm dot com Fax: 651-736-7689 Linux on 390 Port wrote on 10/20/2005 02:04:03 PM: > Hello. Does anyone know where I can get UDB 8.2 for RHEL4 32(31) bit > flavor? I've been to the IBM website to down load a trial UDB 8.2 and all > they have is 64bit for S/390. > I'm running z/VM 5.1 and running RHEL 4 (31 bit) > I have tried the 64bit flavor of Linux and have had odd things happen so I > apprehensive to try it again. > Thanks, > Steve > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SSH for zVM?
I agree that if the traffic is staying within the box there is no real snooping problem. But we are trying to talk to linux servers and some paranoid security people do not want any clear-text traffic for any linux servers. Paranoid security people are like PHBs, every company has at least one and you just have to live with them or become their boss so you can fire them. /Tom Kern --- Adam Thornton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Oct 20, 2005, at 10:41 AM, Nix, Robert P. wrote: > > I was looking for something to ship a single command or string of > > commands across to the zLinux image. I don't actually want to start > > a session like telnet or transfer a file like ftp. (Although sftp > > support would be nice too...) > > If they're on the same box, why worry about it? Put the VM system > and the Linux system on their own VLAN, open up rsh on the Linux > system *only* for the VM system's VLAN IP address, and just do it > cleartext. No unencrypted traffic will ever hit any external wire. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
UDB for RHEL 4 32(31) bit
Hello. Does anyone know where I can get UDB 8.2 for RHEL4 32(31) bit flavor? I've been to the IBM website to down load a trial UDB 8.2 and all they have is 64bit for S/390. I'm running z/VM 5.1 and running RHEL 4 (31 bit) I have tried the 64bit flavor of Linux and have had odd things happen so I apprehensive to try it again. Thanks, Steve -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SUSE Linux for 390
If and only if ISV certifications are not an issue, and they usually are. Plus, while I know the gang at SNA does a good job of providing commercial support for Debian/390, a lot of PHBs are not going to be willing to use them because they don't have thousands of employees all over the world. Another reason why PHBs stink, but unfortunately they're a fact of life. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shogunx Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 1:26 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: SUSE Linux for 390 -snip- Makes a decent case for Debian s/390 and good old apt-get update && apt-get upgrade. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: z/Linux actual costs
To answer the question on 6. ESALPS is currently licensed per system, regardless of number of CPs, IFLs or LPARS. I would expect this to change next year. >Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:49:54 -0400 >Reply-To: Linux on 390 Port >From: Yu Safin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >On 10/19/05, Dave Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I saw this the other day over on the IBM-MAIN list...thought so folks >> here might like to read it. >> >> I would like to relay what is real concerning zLinux costs and what is >> theory or conjecture. I run a z/900-101 with one IFL along with my z/900- >> 101 and z/900-102 in a Parallel Sysplex. >> >> 5. z/VM Assembler - go it free off the Internet. Can buy one from Dignis >> for about $5K I am told. >> 6. I wanted a z/VM & Linux monitor, bought ESALPS from Velocity Software >> for $30K. >is this license per CPU? "If you can't measure it, I'm Just NOT interested!"(tm) // Barton Robinson - CBW Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Velocity Software, IncMailing Address: 196-D Castro Street P.O. Box 390640 Mountain View, CA 94041 Mountain View, CA 94039-0640 VM Performance Hotline: 650-964-8867 Fax: 650-964-9012 Web Page: WWW.VELOCITY-SOFTWARE.COM // -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: z/Linux actual costs
A lot of the cost is One Time charges. For us the cost averaged about $65,000 per year over 3 years. For some management types you have to average it. We don't run WAS or DB2. We do run Oracle but have an enterprise license. So no cost counted in there. The licensing is good for the midtier server folks but makes it harder for us to show real savings. Still possible but harder. We don't have ISPF or VM/DFSMS either. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 2:50 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: z/Linux actual costs On 10/19/05, Dave Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I saw this the other day over on the IBM-MAIN list...thought so folks > here might like to read it. > > I would like to relay what is real concerning zLinux costs and what is > theory or conjecture. I run a z/900-101 with one IFL along with my z/900- > 101 and z/900-102 in a Parallel Sysplex. > > First it makes no sense to bring up just 1-2 zLinux instances on an > Enterprise Server. To make it cost effective, I figure it is around > 20-30 and cheaper if there is more. So that lets out just using LPARs > without z/VM. With z/VM V5,it is cheap. Here is the breakdown: > > 1. z/VM - $19K one time & about $5K Support & Subscription (S&S). > 2. SuSe Linux - $16K one time. is this per Linux guest or for the shop? I don't recall paying this. > 3. SuSe Linux e-Maintenance - $13K yearly. this comes from Novell and > entitlesme to patches and upgrades all done from a web site. No phone > calls. > 4. IBM zLinux Support - $20K yearly. I wanted the same support as I get from > IBM for z/OS and with this if I have a problem, IBM will create the > patch immediately and then go staff it through the OPEN Source Community. Why have 3 and 4, shouldn't 4 cover for 3? that is what we have done. > 5. z/VM Assembler - go it free off the Internet. Can buy one from Dignis > for about $5K I am told. > 6. I wanted a z/VM & Linux monitor, bought ESALPS from Velocity Software > for $30K. is this license per CPU? > 7. IBM tells you for z/VM's DFSMS/VM you need ISPF/VM for $25K (was > ($50K) and it is not true for cheaper DIRMAINT ($1K S&S) provides same > functions. > 8. I needed to buy RACF/VM to satisfy Auditors even though I only have > three VM users (SYSPROG). It was around $12K & .($2K S&S). > 9. Firewalls can be done with free IPTABLES or multiple IPLTABLES (defense > in depth). > 10. WAS for zLINUX is $25K and then about $4K S&S. > 11. DB2 was about $25K and S&S is also about $4K. > 12. Tivoli/TAMS can be licensed by user so it depends, not that > outrageous. > 13. The IFL engine for me was $120K but I am told it is now $80K and > I know sites where IBM gave you one for free. to us it was more like $90k for the first one. > 14. zAAP engines are only for z/OS and not available for z/VM or zLinux. > 15. I used to train MVS'ers and z/VM troops. Today IBM has a free class > for 3 days for z/VM & SuSe Linux install. My z/OS bigots attended and > in no time they are doing enough z/VM to maintain it. > > > Ok, I run a z/VM LPAR for Production with many Virtual Linux Servers. > I am up to about 32 Virtual Servers and to do web serving, DB2 with IFL > running about 10%. So it leaves me room to bring up more. > > I am looking to transfer a Windows $40K Oracle license to the IFL. Oracle > charges $40K for an engine. So you can do porting for free on any platform > and only need the license when it goes production. So if we port the > application to zLinux, the production license comes too. Now once I have > the license, the next port means I can terminate a $40K license on > Windows. More likely I will just bring up more Oracle's on the zLinux > using the one (1) license I will have. What'a deal. The same goes for > DB2, I can run many at the same price. > > Then there is nothing too shabby about running Virtual Routers and > Virtual Switches under z/VM (free). The network group casting a dim > eye wanting to see something physical.I can talk amongst them using > Hypersockets or a memory to memory transfer. > > I run an LPAR Test & Development LPAR with all the zLinux virtual > machines. > > My SYSPROGs wanted a SYSPROG LPAR for new z/VM's although the learned > about z/VM 2nd level. WOW. > > Is it dirt-cheap, no. Is it cheaper, yes. > > Jim Marshall > > -- > DJ > V/Soft Software > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > In our case, just the savings in Oracle by moving from Sun and AIX plus some savings from zOS (moved some work over saving $300k in zOS licenses) more than compensated for the new costs. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email
Re: SUSE Linux for 390
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Daniel Jarboe wrote: > > I actually don't think there is any software checking. > > We bought support during the period and we never had > > to change anything from the original install. > > What ends is your ability to pull maintenance from portal. Makes a decent case for Debian s/390 and good old apt-get update && apt-get upgrade. > > ~ Daniel > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > sleekfreak pirate broadcast http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SUSE Linux for 390
> I actually don't think there is any software checking. > We bought support during the period and we never had > to change anything from the original install. What ends is your ability to pull maintenance from portal. ~ Daniel -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SSH for zVM?
On Oct 20, 2005, at 10:41 AM, Nix, Robert P. wrote: I was looking for something to ship a single command or string of commands across to the zLinux image. I don't actually want to start a session like telnet or transfer a file like ftp. (Although sftp support would be nice too...) If they're on the same box, why worry about it? Put the VM system and the Linux system on their own VLAN, open up rsh on the Linux system *only* for the VM system's VLAN IP address, and just do it cleartext. No unencrypted traffic will ever hit any external wire. On the other hand, you could use non-network means to transfer the commands and responses: the ur driver, or fs_iucv, or something like that. Have something that picks up the jobs from that device, and runs 'em. Just be sure that you feel OK trusting whatever comes in via the reader or the IUCV connection or whatever. If it's gotta go external, again, as long as your first hop to a Linux guest is allowed to be in cleartext (or you can pick it up from the reader or an IUCV connection), there are bazillions of ways to turn that Linux guest into a proxy. Contact me off-list if you want more info. Some methods are free, some aren't. Adam -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SSH for zVM?
I was looking for something to ship a single command or string of commands across to the zLinux image. I don't actually want to start a session like telnet or transfer a file like ftp. (Although sftp support would be nice too...) -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation RO-CE-8-857 200 First Street SW 507-284-0844Rochester, MN 55905 - "In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different." -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yu Safin Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 3:27 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: SSH for zVM? You mean, something different from telnet or ftp? -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SSH for zVM?
Have people tried porting the PLINK program from the PuTTY package or just the full-blown OpenSSH package? As much as I would like the full capabilities of OpenSSL and OpenSSH, my real need is for a command-line interface that I can use in service machines. /Tom Kern --- David Boyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is there an implementation of ssh for zVM? > > Not yet. Several people have tried, but it's not an easy application to > port. > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
