Oracle RAC

2007-10-23 Thread Robert Flynn
Has anyone tried setting up an Oracle RAC installation? It is documented
in the new Oracle/zLinux Redbook, just wondering what experiences anyone
had. Thanks, RF


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Restarting DB2 and WAS with crontab

2007-10-23 Thread LJ Mace
We are Suse9,Z/VM 5.2 shop.
I'm having a small problem and am wondering if someone
can help me out. 
I've written / integrated some scripts to bring down
DB2,WAS,CM, then backup/zip the files up ,and restart
the systems.
All the scripts work fine separately and together if
I'm am logged on as root, but if I submit the same
script using crontab everything BUT the startup works.
What happens is the system looks as if everything is
up(per the task count) but we are unable to log on to
our DB using WAS.
 All we then do is su into root run the startup
procedure and everything works.
All the proper calls /paths are in the scripts and I
have even placed roots' path in the path stmt in
/etc/crontab.
I'm really at a loss.
thanks
Larry


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Re: Oracle RAC

2007-10-23 Thread Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Has anyone tried setting up an Oracle RAC installation? It is
> documented in the new Oracle/zLinux Redbook, just wondering
> what experiences anyone had. Thanks, RF

Robert:

I had a customer do this early this year, more for testing than
anything else. It works quite well with one note:

Use an active/passive configuration ONLY if you have only one
IFL. If you have more than one IFL then you can use an
active/active configuration. This especially true when doing a
database load as an active/active configuration ends up swapping
between the two Linux images for every record loaded.

Jim

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No subject

2007-10-23 Thread Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: Leon Buitendag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Streams (LiS)

> Hi, I am planning on installing Communicaton server for Linux,
> however I according to the documentation I need to install LiS
> first, however this is where I run into problems:

Leon:

The CommServer for Linux developers hang out on the
nntp://news.software.ibm.com server in the
ibm.software.commserver.linux group. That is probably the best
place for you to get a fast and accurate answer.

PS: I have a customer running CS for Linux on SLES10 on z with no
problems.

Jim

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Re: Restarting DB2 and WAS with crontab

2007-10-23 Thread Edmund R. MacKenty
On Tuesday 23 October 2007 09:44, LJ Mace wrote:
>We are Suse9,Z/VM 5.2 shop.
>I'm having a small problem and am wondering if someone
>can help me out.
>I've written / integrated some scripts to bring down
>DB2,WAS,CM, then backup/zip the files up ,and restart
>the systems.
>All the scripts work fine separately and together if
>I'm am logged on as root, but if I submit the same
>script using crontab everything BUT the startup works.
>What happens is the system looks as if everything is
>up(per the task count) but we are unable to log on to
>our DB using WAS.
> All we then do is su into root run the startup
>procedure and everything works.
>All the proper calls /paths are in the scripts and I
>have even placed roots' path in the path stmt in
>/etc/crontab.

THis sounds like a difference in the process environments.  When you log
in, /etc/profile and a number of other scripts are run for you and these set
up many environment variables.  But when a cron job is started, none of that
setup occurs.  You can either make your scripts source those startup files,
or figure out which environment variables are not getting set and run those.

Because this is DB2, the most likely thing that is not getting run is the
$HOME/db2profile script.  This sets up a number of environment variables that
DB2 requires to do anything, such as DB2INSTANCE.  Try putting this command
at the beginning of your script:

source $HOME/db2profile

and see if that doesn't fix things.  If not, use env(1) to dump out your
environment when logged in and from the cron job, and compare the two.
- MacK.
-
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Software Architect
Rocket Software, Inc.
Newton, MA USA

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Is anyone connecting to a Hitachi SAN-box with FCP NPiV?

2007-10-23 Thread Collinson.Shannon
We wanted to connect to our SAN-box using FCP NPiV for either
open-systems server storage (using TSM) or to implement the new GDPS
function of DR-mirroring the open-systems storage.  However, the IBM
representative we talked to said that they couldn't support us if we ran
into any problems (either with connectivity or possibly data corruption)
unless we were connecting to an IBM box.  It kinda scared us off the
idea.  Is anyone successfully using non-IBM storage (especially Hitachi)
with FCP NPiV?

 

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Re: Restarting DB2 and WAS with crontab

2007-10-23 Thread Daryl Hoffman
We are currently running scripts through /etc/init.d/rcX, which, I realize,
is something different, but we also run as wasadmin using a stored userID
and password.  Here is the script we use, although ultimately simple, it
works.  Not sure what the CM product is.  We have DB2 and WAS on separate
Suse 9 images.  DB2 is one image at present, and WAS is a cluster of 3 with
a shared binaries image and one deployment manager server.


echo "Starting IBM Websphere Application Server on Linux11.."
su - wasadmin -c /wasprofiles/profile/Linux11Custom/bin/startNode.sh;
su - wasadmin -c "/wasprofiles/profile/Linux11Custom/bin/startServer.sh
linux11AppSrv01;"
echo "... start up complete for Websphere Application Server on Linux11";
exit 0

echo "Stopping IBM Websphere Application Server on Linux11...";
su - wasadmin -c "/wasprofiles/profile/Linux11Custom/bin/stopServer.sh
linux11AppSrv01;"
su - wasadmin -c "/wasprofiles/profile/Linux11Custom/bin/stopNode.sh;"
echo "... shutdown complete for Websphere Application Server on Linux11";
exit 0

DM is simply stopManager.sh

Daryl

On 10/23/07, LJ Mace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> We are Suse9,Z/VM 5.2 shop.
> I'm having a small problem and am wondering if someone
> can help me out.
> I've written / integrated some scripts to bring down
> DB2,WAS,CM, then backup/zip the files up ,and restart
> the systems.
> All the scripts work fine separately and together if
> I'm am logged on as root, but if I submit the same
> script using crontab everything BUT the startup works.
> What happens is the system looks as if everything is
> up(per the task count) but we are unable to log on to
> our DB using WAS.
> All we then do is su into root run the startup
> procedure and everything works.
> All the proper calls /paths are in the scripts and I
> have even placed roots' path in the path stmt in
> /etc/crontab.
> I'm really at a loss.
> thanks
> Larry
>
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Re: Is anyone connecting to a Hitachi SAN-box with FCP NPiV?

2007-10-23 Thread Hall, Ken (GTI)
We're getting ready to try it with EMC DMX.  IBM has been very
supportive, but we have a contract with them.

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We wanted to connect to our SAN-box using FCP NPiV for either
open-systems server storage (using TSM) or to implement the new GDPS
function of DR-mirroring the open-systems storage.  However, the IBM
representative we talked to said that they couldn't support us if we ran
into any problems (either with connectivity or possibly data corruption)
unless we were connecting to an IBM box.  It kinda scared us off the
idea.  Is anyone successfully using non-IBM storage (especially Hitachi)
with FCP NPiV?

 

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Re: Is anyone connecting to a Hitachi SAN-box with FCP NPiV?

2007-10-23 Thread Smith, Ann (ISD, IT)
We are using EMC DMX and EMC Clariion for SAN.
SLES9 and SLES10- no issues.

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We wanted to connect to our SAN-box using FCP NPiV for either
open-systems server storage (using TSM) or to implement the new GDPS
function of DR-mirroring the open-systems storage.  However, the IBM
representative we talked to said that they couldn't support us if we ran
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idea.  Is anyone successfully using non-IBM storage (especially Hitachi)
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Re: Oracle RAC

2007-10-23 Thread David Boyes
> Has anyone tried setting up an Oracle RAC installation? It is
documented
> in the new Oracle/zLinux Redbook, just wondering what experiences
anyone
> had. Thanks, RF

Works as documented, or as well as RAC ever does. 

For it to be any use for survivability, you really need to do it in a
CSE environment with two systems or LPARs and split the cluster members
across the two instances. Shared DASD is necessary, which is complicated
to set up and maintain with FCP disk. Networking really needs to do
layer 2 VSWITCH with VLANs managed by goodly sized switches between the
machines to do the heartbeats efficiently. 

Short version: it's as much of a PITA to manage as RAC is on discrete
systems. Given that the underlying infrastructure (CSE, VM, System Z) is
orders of magnitude more reliable and stable than the discrete system
approach, it's probably overkill for anything short of absolutely
critical systems (which, IMHO, are the principal justifying reason for
z/OS parallel sysplexes, and once you have a parallel sysplex in play,
we're talking about a whole 'nother level of RAS, and RAC is pretty
pathetic in that arena).

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Re: CUPS -- was Re: Philosophical: Linux vs. AIX

2007-10-23 Thread John Summerfield

Patrick Spinler wrote:

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John Summerfield wrote:


I can understand that if you're running Ghostscript, then you're in for
some trouble.


No ghostscript, thank heavens.  We just provide a dumb queuing
service, and send whatever the app produces straight to the printer.
No filtering.


I think you'd need to pay close attention to how (often) the CUPS
servers talk to each other, too. If they're discussing 10,000 printers
every few seconds. The default browseinterval is 30 seconds, that might
be a little often.



the problem appeared to be related to this, but not between the CUPS
servers.  Specifically, since CUPS' default broadcast behavior doesn't
work across subnets, and since most of my hosts wanting to print to
CUPS weren't on those subnets, the client hosts had to be configured
to poll, and that broke the cups servers.

Our setup was like this:


  Network  Network  Network  Network  Network  many many
  Printer  Printer  Printer  Printer  Printer  others...


Cups ServerCups ServerCups Server
 Subnet 1   Subnet 2   Subnet 3


  Other Unix Other Unix Other Unix 400 other
  Cups clientCups ClientCups Clientunix hosts.
   Subnet 4   Subnet 5   Subnet 6  >20 subnets


Since broadcasts only propagate as far as a subnet boundary, the
'other hosts' would not see the broadcasts from the cups servers.
Ergo, they had to be configured to poll the servers, and that's what
appeared to break 'em, even on a several hour polling interval.


For those who haven't been around so long, I don't actually use zLinux
(except sometimes under Hercules, and that's about as close as I'm
likely to get to a Zed these days). I do administer Linux systems, and I
have some S/360, S/370 background.

My home LAN and the LAN I administer at home are linked via VPN, and we
too use several subnets.

At one time I wanted to print something from home to work, so I had CUPS
at home poll work's server, and suddenly all work's printers appeared at
home!




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Re: CUPS -- was Re: Philosophical: Linux vs. AIX

2007-10-23 Thread John Summerfield

David Boyes wrote:




There's no harm to installing both CUPS server and client code on each
host. If you never define a printer on the host, the server is quiet and


this is what Apple does, and it's why I have CUPS on my Powerbook G4.
It's also probably the reason Apple bought CUPS.






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Re: Philosophical: Linux vs. AIX

2007-10-23 Thread John Summerfield

David Boyes wrote:

We use LPRng instead of CUPS because of CUPS' chattyness. We have
literally
thousands of printers defined (over 7000) and the printcap defining

these

printers is installed on over 100 servers. CUPS would overrun our

network.

CUPS is a great design for a desktop client and one or two printers;

it

really fails when you attempt to scale it up to an actual server

level.

Chattyness is completely adjustable. It's a CUPS tuning and filtering
question. Send me a copy of your config, and I can probably help.


Might be good to make this a kind of tutorial. There seem to be a few
here who could use some tips, people being what they are, likely not all
those who do will step up and say so.




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Re: Philosophical: Linux vs. AIX & real unixes

2007-10-23 Thread John Summerfield

Adam Thornton wrote:

Carey Tyler Schug wrote:

Don't smoke your cigar yet.

At least on Ubuntu, which is derived from Debian, ps --forest only
shows
the tree back as far as the last shell, which comes AFTER the
script, so
it doesn't show the script process.



Mine shows me back as far as the login shell:


Last login: Mon Oct 22 08:46:58 2007 from 192.168.1.79
 services:~ $ bash -l
 services:~ $ bash -l
 services:~ $ bash -l
 services:~ $ ps --forest
  PID TTY  TIME CMD
32268 pts/000:00:00 bash
32270 pts/000:00:00  \_ bash
32272 pts/000:00:00  \_ bash
32273 pts/000:00:00  \_ bash
32276 pts/000:00:00  \_ ps
 services:~ $ ps --version
procps version 3.2.1


For a different view...
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  PID TTY  TIME CMD
 4824 pts/900:00:00 bash
 5186 pts/900:00:00  \_ ps
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  PID TTY  TIME CMD
 4824 pts/900:00:00 bash
 5189 pts/900:00:00   ps
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Re: Linux Streams (LiS)

2007-10-23 Thread John Summerfield

Leon Buitendag wrote:

Hi, I am planning on installing Communicaton server for Linux, however I
according to the documentation I need to install LiS first, however this is
where I run into problems:



I currently have SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 with SP1 installed.

I have downloaded LiS-2.18.0.tgz unpacked it and applied the recommended
patch.



The make was done and the make install, however when I try to do the
modprobe streams I get the following errors:



Oct 22 15:07:25 lnx1 kernel: streams: no version for "struct_module" found:
kernel tainted.

Oct 22 15:07:25 lnx1 kernel: streams: module not supported by Novell,
setting U taint flag.

Oct 22 15:07:25 lnx1 kernel: Unable to handle kernel pointer dereference at
virtual kernel address 000200311000

Oct 22 15:07:25 lnx1 kernel: Oops: 003b [#1]

Oct 22 15:07:25 lnx1 kernel: CPU:0Tainted: GFU

Oct 22 15:07:25 lnx1 kernel: Process modprobe (pid: 20505, task:
000179cc7768, ksp: 000160657b38)

Oct 22 15:07:25 lnx1 kernel: Krnl PSW : 070420018000 000200311740
(0x200311740)

Oct 22 15:07:25 lnx1 kernel: Krnl GPRS:  
0001812f5600 00018122e1d6

Oct 22 15:07:25 lnx1 kernel:000160657cd8 0001
00010001 001c

Oct 22 15:07:25 lnx1 kernel:000181252500 000181252500
00506e78 00506e78

Oct 22 15:07:25 lnx1 kernel:00506e98 000181229d60
0001812261a6 000160657c38

Oct 22 15:07:25 lnx1 kernel: Krnl Code:  Bad PSW.

Oct 22 15:07:25 lnx1 kernel: Call Trace:

Oct 22 15:07:25 lnx1 kernel: ([<001c>] 0x1c)

Oct 22 15:07:25 lnx1 kernel:



Any help would be appreciated


Perhaps you should use the supplier's help fora, probably there are more
experts to me. I suspect this means Novell won't (officially) help:
> Oct 22 15:07:25 lnx1 kernel: streams: no version for "struct_module"
found:
> kernel tainted.

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SAN NAS

2007-10-23 Thread John Summerfield

People here have shown forbearance before, so I'll test my luck again;-)

I know both provide disk storage on a network, and one's
higher-performance than the other, but

When is a Tb of storage a NAS and when is it a SAN?





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Re: SAN NAS

2007-10-23 Thread Fargusson.Alan
A NAS acts like a file server.  It contains its own filesystem and usually 
connects to a LAN, not a dedicated network.  Often a NAS communicates to the 
client using SMB, and NFS.  Many of the lower cost NAS are just a Windows 
system that does not let you log into it.

A SAN does not have a filesystem.  It serves disk space over a dedicated 
network.

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People here have shown forbearance before, so I'll test my luck again;-)

I know both provide disk storage on a network, and one's
higher-performance than the other, but

When is a Tb of storage a NAS and when is it a SAN?





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Re: SAN NAS

2007-10-23 Thread Adam Thornton

On Oct 23, 2007, at 6:12 PM, John Summerfield wrote:


People here have shown forbearance before, so I'll test my luck
again;-)

I know both provide disk storage on a network, and one's
higher-performance than the other, but

When is a Tb of storage a NAS and when is it a SAN?


The difference, roughly, is whether your data is presented as files
or as blocks.

NAS tends to be some sort of storage appliance that presents an NFS
(or SMB, or other network filesystem) interface to the data, while
SAN is generally presented as a block device.  SAN is less likely to
use IP as the transport, though certainly there are things like iSCSI.

Adam

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Re: SAN NAS

2007-10-23 Thread David Boyes
Connectivity method and transport protocols. NAS are attached via data 
networking technologies such as IP or other data network transport protocols, 
usually employing standard networking equipment used for ordinary networking 
transports. Usually gig Ethernet over fiber or copper with dedicated segments 
for storage traffic.
 
SANs are accessed via storage networking techniques which do not involve IP or 
other data network transport protocols and use specialized switching equipment 
optimized for storage networking protocols.
 
It's arguable whether performance is any different these days (in fact, with 
multipath links, NAS may be faster these days).  



From: Linux on 390 Port on behalf of John Summerfield
Sent: Tue 10/23/2007 7:12 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: SAN NAS



People here have shown forbearance before, so I'll test my luck again;-)

I know both provide disk storage on a network, and one's
higher-performance than the other, but

When is a Tb of storage a NAS and when is it a SAN?




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