CAVMEN Meeting on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - Final Agenda

[Chicago Area VM (and Linux) Enthusiasts]

The fourth quarter meeting of the Chicago Area VM 
(and Linux) Enthusiasts will be held on Thursday, October 22, 2009.


This note includes the final agenda.

There is still road construction work in progress 
in the area around Hewitt Associates.  The 
situation changes weekly, so I will send out a 
construction update on the Tuesday before the meeting.



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Meeting Location:

This quarter's meeting will be held at the Hewitt 
Associates 'East Campus' located at 100 Half Day 
Road, in Lincolnshire, IL. We will meet in 
Conference Room 100-M3, in Building 100, just off the cafeteria.


If you have not attended a meeting at this 
location before, or you are not familiar with the 
area, 
Click 
here for additional information on directions, maps, lodging and dining.



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Attendance:

We would like to request a count of expected 
attendees by the Monday before the meeting, so 
that we may plan appropriately for arranging the 
facilities, and for refreshments and lunch, 
should one of the vendors wish to provide them. 
If you are planning to attend, PLEASE send an 
E-Mail by that date to 
cav...@comcast.net 
with a subject line of "Meeting Attendance".


This is meant to be a facilities planning aid and 
should not be interpreted as a registration 
requirement. If you suddenly become available at 
the last minute, please feel free to attend even if you have not responded.


Thank you in advance for your cooperation in this matter.


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Final Meeting Agenda:

9:00 AM z/VM Platform Update: Introducing 
z/VM V6.1 - Advancing the Art of Server Virtualization


This presentation will highlight the new 
functions available with z/VM V6.1, IBM's newest 
version of advanced server virtualization support 
for IBM System z. Building on the functionally 
rich base of z/VM Version 5.4, z/VM V6.1, 
previewed on July 7, 2009, further enhances the 
economic attractiveness of consolidating 
workloads on the mainframe. Find out how z/VM 
V6.1 on IBM System z10 advances the art of 
enterprise virtualization. The speaker will also 
provide an overview of future z/VM support 
("statements of direction") included in the z/VM V6.1 preview announcement.


The speaker will be Alan Altmark of the IBM Corporation.

10:30 AMCoffee Break

11:00 AMSecurity Zones in z/VM

In multi-tier network applications, there is 
usually the concept of "demilitarized zones", or 
DMZs, that each contain a set of servers. Each 
DMZ is separated from others by firewalls and by 
access policies to ensure that there is no 
unwanted user access or flow of data. Learn in 
this presentation how to properly build virtual 
DMZs and to integrate virtual servers into your 
existing DMZs. We will also discuss using the 
RACF Security Server on z/VM to prevent a "red 
zone" server from connecting to a "green zone" network or "green zone" data...


The speaker will be Alan Altmark of the IBM Corporation.

12:30 PMLunch Break

1:30 PM Administration and Vendor Announcements

1:45 PM Linux on z Update

The speaker will present a brief update of recent 
developments in the Linux under z/VM area.


The speaker will be Paul Augustyniak of the IBM Corporation.

2:00 PM What makes a successful Proof of Concept for Linux on System z

Most companies begin their first foray into the 
Linux on System z world by conducting a z Linux 
POC. This presentation will draw upon the many 
years of experience of the presenter and the dos 
and dont's of a POC. Marianne will discuss how to 
pick the application and other "technical" aspects.


The speaker will be Marianne Eggett of Mainline Information Systems.

3:15 PM Coffee Break and Prize Drawing

3:30 PM System z Linux Proof of Concept - 
Project Management Best Practices


It's an important step - so when you are ready to 
move forward, make sure you're on solid ground. 
From planning, to proving, to production, there 
are a lot of intricate details to think about 
when you are considering a Linux implementation. 
In this session, Marianne Eggett summarizes 
industry best practices for project management of 
your IBM System z Linux Proof-of-Concept (POC). 
These best practices are based on her 30 + years 
in IT and 8 focusing on Linux on IBM Systems z New Workload.


This session will cover the important steps to a successful POC, including:
·  Project Initiation
·  Project Definition
·  Installation and Set Up
·  Testing
·  Closing

The speaker will be Marianne Eggett of Mainline Information Systems.

4:45 PM Free-for-All

Members will attempt to answer any reasonable VM 
or hardware related questions. If you are having 
a problem and want to find out if others are 
experiencing it, or you are installing new 
hardware or software and want to find out what 
types of problems others have experienced, here is the place to find out.


Members are encouraged

Re: RMF PM presentation from System z Expo

[Marcy Cortes]

I thought they pulled it in favor of Omegamon. 
Odd that someone is still giving presentations on it.

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From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Barton 
Robinson
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 2:22 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] RMF PM presentation from System z Expo

I thought IBM stopped pushing RMFPM about 5 years ago because of
overhead and lack of development interest? This was developed in the RMF
lab for installations that were z/OS, no z/VM and running Linux in an
LPAR.  Ask your boss to talk to references (for something that has been
out almost 10 years, I'm sure if it was usable, someone would be a
reference?)

Harder, Pieter wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I had a look at aroud the same time. Dropped it in favorr of Velocity's 
> ESALPS. More function, less overhead. And never looked back.
>
> Best regards,
> Pieter Harder
>
> 
> Van: Linux on 390 Port [linux-...@vm.marist.edu] namens Ron Foster at 
> Baldor-IS [rfos...@baldor.com]
> Verzonden: maandag 12 oktober 2009 22:03
> Aan: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Onderwerp: RMF PM presentation from System z Expo
>
> Hello,
>
> Last week my boss attended a presentation "Monitoring Linux Performance
> with RMF"
>
> Now he is wanting it installed and would like to evaluate it.
>
> Way back in the 2005 and 2006 time frame we looked at it.  Primarily
> based on what we found on the internet, we discontinued it's use.
>
> I have done a little searching on the mailing list archives.  I have not
> found very many good things to say about using RMF to monitor Linux.
> However, most of the threads mentioning this are a few years old.
>
> Does anyone have any comments about using RMF to monitor Linux?
>
> Is anyone using it?
>
> Anything we should look out for?
>
> Thanks,
> Ron
>
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Re: RMF PM presentation from System z Expo

[Barton Robinson]

I thought IBM stopped pushing RMFPM about 5 years ago because of
overhead and lack of development interest? This was developed in the RMF
lab for installations that were z/OS, no z/VM and running Linux in an
LPAR.  Ask your boss to talk to references (for something that has been
out almost 10 years, I'm sure if it was usable, someone would be a
reference?)

Harder, Pieter wrote:

Hi,

I had a look at aroud the same time. Dropped it in favorr of Velocity's ESALPS. 
More function, less overhead. And never looked back.

Best regards,
Pieter Harder


Van: Linux on 390 Port [linux-...@vm.marist.edu] namens Ron Foster at Baldor-IS 
[rfos...@baldor.com]
Verzonden: maandag 12 oktober 2009 22:03
Aan: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Onderwerp: RMF PM presentation from System z Expo

Hello,

Last week my boss attended a presentation "Monitoring Linux Performance
with RMF"

Now he is wanting it installed and would like to evaluate it.

Way back in the 2005 and 2006 time frame we looked at it.  Primarily
based on what we found on the internet, we discontinued it's use.

I have done a little searching on the mailing list archives.  I have not
found very many good things to say about using RMF to monitor Linux.
However, most of the threads mentioning this are a few years old.

Does anyone have any comments about using RMF to monitor Linux?

Is anyone using it?

Anything we should look out for?

Thanks,
Ron

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Re: RMF PM presentation from System z Expo

[Harder, Pieter]

Hi,

I had a look at aroud the same time. Dropped it in favorr of Velocity's ESALPS. 
More function, less overhead. And never looked back.

Best regards,
Pieter Harder


Van: Linux on 390 Port [linux-...@vm.marist.edu] namens Ron Foster at Baldor-IS 
[rfos...@baldor.com]
Verzonden: maandag 12 oktober 2009 22:03
Aan: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Onderwerp: RMF PM presentation from System z Expo

Hello,

Last week my boss attended a presentation "Monitoring Linux Performance
with RMF"

Now he is wanting it installed and would like to evaluate it.

Way back in the 2005 and 2006 time frame we looked at it.  Primarily
based on what we found on the internet, we discontinued it's use.

I have done a little searching on the mailing list archives.  I have not
found very many good things to say about using RMF to monitor Linux.
However, most of the threads mentioning this are a few years old.

Does anyone have any comments about using RMF to monitor Linux?

Is anyone using it?

Anything we should look out for?

Thanks,
Ron

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RMF PM presentation from System z Expo

[Ron Foster at Baldor-IS]

Hello,

Last week my boss attended a presentation "Monitoring Linux Performance
with RMF"

Now he is wanting it installed and would like to evaluate it.

Way back in the 2005 and 2006 time frame we looked at it.  Primarily
based on what we found on the internet, we discontinued it's use.

I have done a little searching on the mailing list archives.  I have not
found very many good things to say about using RMF to monitor Linux.
However, most of the threads mentioning this are a few years old.

Does anyone have any comments about using RMF to monitor Linux?

Is anyone using it?

Anything we should look out for?

Thanks,
Ron

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Re: Young Developers Get Old Mainframers¹ Jobs

[John Campbell]

Howard Rifkind wrote:
> So my friend, where are the jobs?

Going to people off-shore, perhaps?

> There is a whole bunch of highly experienced z/Mainframe systems and 
> applications people out there without jobs.

Just as Security == Inconvenience, Experience == High Pay Rates.

Remember, just because you are able to wear multiple hats does NOT
mean that you can occupy more than one cell in some bean-counter's
spread-sheet... and, usually, the bean-counter will assume you are
mainly wearing the hat that should be paid the least.   :-)   :-)
:-)

Anybody out there need a Linux GNUrd like me?

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Re: Young Developers Get Old Mainframers¹ Job s

[Jack Woehr]

Howard Rifkind wrote:

There is a whole bunch of highly experienced z/Mainframe systems and 
applications people out there without jobs.
It's time, in the immortal words of the Firesign Theatre, to climb a 
tree, take off your shoes,

and learn to play the flute!

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Re: Young Developers Get Old Mainframers¹ Jobs

[Neale Ferguson]

I didn't write the article I found it and posted its link without comment.


On 10/12/09 12:15 PM, "Howard Rifkind"  wrote:

> So my friend, where are the jobs?
> 
> There is a whole bunch of highly experienced z/Mainframe systems and
> applications people out there without jobs.
> 
> There are more of the above people and fewer mainframes around these days. 
> That's because client/server is a cheaper way to do business although not
> nearly as secure or reliable as mainframes, but it is what it is.
> 
> Please find out there the jobs are.  The number of bytes stored on mainframe
> hardware does not translate to jobs.

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Re: Young Developers Get Old Mainframers¹ Jobs

[Howard Rifkind]

So my friend, where are the jobs?

There is a whole bunch of highly experienced z/Mainframe systems and 
applications people out there without jobs.

There are more of the above people and fewer mainframes around these days.  
That's because client/server is a cheaper way to do business although not 
nearly as secure or reliable as mainframes, but it is what it is.

Please find out there the jobs are.  The number of bytes stored on mainframe 
hardware does not translate to jobs.

--- On Sat, 10/10/09, Neale Ferguson  wrote:

From: Neale Ferguson 
Subject: Young Developers Get Old Mainframers¹ Jobs
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 6:46 PM

http://www.linuxtoday.com/high_performance/2009101000535NWBZ

> "My co-worker, Tim, explained that our company, a major software vendor, is
> seeing its mainframe workforce rapidly approaching the age of retirement. Tim
> said IBM and most other firms whose businesses depend on mainframes are also
> dealing with this industry-wide problem.
> 
> "Since the 1980¹s, PC¹s and UNIX machines were supposed to have taken over the
> computing world, relegating mainframes to the scrap heap alongside rotary-dial
> telephones, suitcase-size boom boxes, and Plymouth Reliants. Indeed, most
> mainframes from that era have been consigned to the scrap heap ­ only to be
> replaced by bigger and faster mainframes.
> 
> "Today the number of mainframes is estimated to be 10,000. Since 2000, the
> processing power of mainframes has quadrupled in terms of MIPS. According to
> IBM, the top 25 world banks run mainframes, 80% of the world¹s corporate data
> resides or originates on mainframes, and 71% of global Fortune 500 companies
> are mainframe clients." 


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Re: Windows emulation

[John Campbell]

> A ROT for performance:
> 1 layer of emulation loses 90%.
> Bear in mind you're using two layers of emulation. I suggest DOS/Win 3.1
> for your first effort, or WI9{5,8}.
>
> I'm sure it will work, and you might like to get some screen shots first
> time.

There are reasons that I refer to these kinds of efforts as enemalation.

In all seriousness, I seem to recall that Windows "does not play well
with others" when it comes to letting a system lay idle when there is
no work necessary though I may be a bit out-of-date.

(Heck, the 100Hz timer pop made Linux seem fiendly rather than friendly!)

I wonder if anyone has gotten OS|2 up on top of Bochs.  What about the
intel version of MacOS X?

What of the SIMH suite?  Maybe bringing up an ancient system (TSS-8,
perhaps?) would be more entertaining...

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Re: Has anyone looked into a "console server"

[John Summerfield]

Scott Rohling wrote:

Hmmm..  maybe more like announcing your wife just stopped beating you?
;-)

Scott



Good news, whichever way you look at in.



On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Mark Post  wrote:


On 10/8/2009 at  6:19 PM, Shawn Wells  wrote:

-snip-

We've had this since RHEL 5.4 released earlier. for once, it's
Novell that needs to catch up ;)

Hopefully you realize that statement is very similar to announcing you've
just stopped beating your wife.  :)


Mark Post

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Re: Multipathing for ECKD devices

[John Summerfield]

Sterling James wrote:

Has the ECKD dasd device driver in SLES11/Redhat 5.4 changed to provide
muiltipathing vs multipath?


Please, please, do not hijack threads.

Starting a new thread is really easy - just click on the list's email
address. It's way easier than clicking the "reply" button and then
cleaning out the trash.

Cleaning out the trash doesn't work well, either. Email clients use
special headers such as these to group related messages together:
Message-ID:

In-Reply-To:


Note that those are two headers, both taking two lines (on my screen).
The Message-ID is unique in the known universe. "In-Reply-To" can
reference many messages. You can't remove those headers.

Most email clients can be instructed to group related messages. This
process is called "threading." Threading gives users a shorter list of
messages, one per topic or thread. They can choose just those topics of
interest.

I don't know anything useful about "Multipathing for ECKD devices," but
I did want to read about "How to share files/disk between 2 LPARS."

If, instead, I was a guru on Multipathing and not in the least
interested in sharing between LPARs, I'd not have seen your question at
all and you'd miss out on guru help.



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Re: Windows emulation

[John Summerfield]

Patrick Spinler wrote:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

David Boyes wrote:

(snipped good explanation of basic X11 forwarding)


Or use an ssh client with X11 forwarding turned on.  The combination of
putty and xming works well on windows, or (with a bit more fiddling)
cygwin ssh client and cygwin X11.




This is great fun!
From a system running X (such as Linux),
 ssh -X somehost
 startkde


A ROT for performance:
1 layer of emulation loses 90%.
Bear in mind you're using two layers of emulation. I suggest DOS/Win 3.1
for your first effort, or WI9{5,8}.

I'm sure it will work, and you might like to get some screen shots first
time.





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