Test note, please ignore
Just delete this note. Martha -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
zLinuxWorld.com - Site Plan
For those interested, attached is the generic site plan I created for zlinuxworld.com. Feel free to comment, add/subtract, etc. This doesn't cover all area's, just a general site plan. FYI, the file is an .odt (Open Office) -FR -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 zLinuxWorld_SitePlan.odt Description: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text
Re: Call for Community Participation
>>> On 6/4/2010 at 03:35 PM, Richard Gasiorowski wrote: > Went to the site and looks like a great idea will investigate but do have > one bitch. It does not come up when google "zlinux" or "linux vm" linux > z/vm" or other variables If you're referring to wiki.linuxvm.org, a search on "mainframe linux wiki" shows up as #2 after en.wikipedia.org. Google has been indexing the site since it was created. How high up in the list a hit on Google result is determined partly by how many other sites link to the one in question. Not many people contributing, not many references to it, not much in the way of search results unless you get lucky or use the right terms. To perhaps help that along, I just updated linuxvm.org's main page to point to it. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Call for Community Participation
Perhaps the nice folks at marist could update the trailer on the mail template to include the wiki site address? Just a short "See our wiki at http://.. " Marcy "This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation." -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Gasiorowski Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 12:35 PM To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Call for Community Participation Went to the site and looks like a great idea will investigate but do have one bitch. It does not come up when google "zlinux" or "linux vm" linux z/vm" or other variables. So I think that's where Floyd and many of us are coming from. If it were not for Floyd I and others still would not know about it. Got to get that crystal ball repaired. Thx anyway its now bookmarked. Richard (Gaz) Gasiorowski SA&E Solution Architect CSC 3170 Fairview Park Dr., Falls Church, VA 22042 845-889-8533|Work|845-392-7889 Cell|rgasi...@csc.com|www.csc.com This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose. From: Rich Smrcina To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu Date: 06/04/2010 03:23 PM Subject: Re: Call for Community Participation None of that now, it's already available. Contribute at will. http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvtype?LINUX-VM.77911 On 06/04/2010 02:11 PM, McKown, John wrote: > Of course, the first "fight" will be over which Linux distro and Wiki engine! > > -- > John McKown > Systems Engineer IV > IT > > Administrative Services Group > > HealthMarkets(r) > > 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 > (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell > john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com > > -- Rich Smrcina Phone: 414-491-6001 http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2011 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Call for Community Participation
Takes time to show up in Google -- and you have to open your website to their 'bots' ... and if Richard hasn't registered the site with Google, he should seems like I recall some place where you specifically make yourself known to Google. Scott Rohling On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Richard Gasiorowski wrote: > Went to the site and looks like a great idea will investigate but do have > one bitch. It does not come up when google "zlinux" or "linux vm" linux > z/vm" or other variables. So I think that's where Floyd and many of us > are coming from. If it were not for Floyd I and others still would not > know about it. Got to get that crystal ball repaired. Thx anyway its now > bookmarked. > > Richard (Gaz) Gasiorowski > SA&E Solution Architect > CSC > 3170 Fairview Park Dr., Falls Church, VA 22042 > 845-889-8533|Work|845-392-7889 Cell|rgasi...@csc.com|www.csc.com > > > > > This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please > delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in > delivery. > NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to > any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement > or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such > purpose. > > > > From: > Rich Smrcina > To: > LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu > Date: > 06/04/2010 03:23 PM > Subject: > Re: Call for Community Participation > > > > None of that now, it's already available. Contribute at will. > > http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvtype?LINUX-VM.77911 > > On 06/04/2010 02:11 PM, McKown, John wrote: > > Of course, the first "fight" will be over which Linux distro and Wiki > engine! > > > > -- > > John McKown > > Systems Engineer IV > > IT > > > > Administrative Services Group > > > > HealthMarkets(r) > > > > 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 > > (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell > > john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com > > > > > > -- > Rich Smrcina > Phone: 414-491-6001 > http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina > > Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org > WAVV 2011 > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > > > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux on Z networking issue
absolutely. It depends on the needs of your Linux networking and your overall network scheme. I have Linux machines that need to connect as trunks and have multiple vlans on one set of nics. Other configurations the Linux machines can connect to vlan aware vswitches as access ports and do not to deal with the vlan tags. For the most part if the Linux machines can get by with a single network per nic an access connection to the vswitch will suffice. David Original Message Subject: Re: Linux on Z networking issue From: Pat Carroll Date: Fri, June 04, 2010 3:29 pm To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU In our case I had to configure as trunk due to the way the network admins configured the vlan on the physical switch port. I'll try to get the details from them. Patrick Carroll | Technology Architect II L.L.Bean, Inc.(r) | Double L St. | Freeport ME 04033 http://www.llbean.com | pcarr...@llbean.com | 207.552.2426 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. The information is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Any disclosure, copying, distribution, or other use of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this message. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of David Kreuter Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 3:20 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Linux on Z networking issue The vswitch can be vlan aware with Linux connecting on access ports, that's legit. The vswitch is then solely responsible for vlan packet insertion and removal. So adapter scenario 3 is a disconnected vswitch on layer 2. On adapter 2 if you remove the real OSA devices can you communicate between the virtual Linux machines? One piece of advise would be to check the microcode levels of your osa devices. There are some anomalies with sharing layer 2 and 3 traffic corrected on recent microcode updates. Although you are not sharing layer 2 and 3 it worth a shot as perhaps the MCL corrected other layer 2 problems as well. Just to confirm with the output from lsqeth that you are using layer2? And the layer 2 vswitch is defined as TYPE ETHERNET ? What does the output of NETSTAT ARP ALL TCP show? And you need to this command twice, breath in between. David Kreuter Original Message Subject: Re: Linux on Z networking issue From: Pat Carroll Date: Fri, June 04, 2010 3:12 pm To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU If you're doing vlan tagging you need to configure as a trunk port Patrick Carroll | Technology Architect II L.L.Bean, Inc.(r) | Double L St. | Freeport ME 04033 http://www.llbean.com | pcarr...@llbean.com | 207.552.2426 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. The information is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Any disclosure, copying, distribution, or other use of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this message. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Peter Pauer Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 12:46 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Linux on Z networking issue We have a customer experiencing difficulties with a s390 Linux under VM networking The Linux OS's tried are SuSe 11, SuSe 10.3 and RedHat 5.5 For test purposes on the guests we have defined Adapter 1: vswitch 1, layer 3, OSA card attached. 142.* ip address Adapter 2: vswitch 2, vlan aware, port access, layer 2, OSA card attached 10.* ip address Adapter 3: vswitch 3, vlan aware, port access, layer 2, NO OSA CARD 192.* ip address Adapter 1: is connected and working correctly between the VM guests and on the intranet. Adapter 2: is connected and not working between the VM guests also not working on the intranet. Adapter 3: is connected and working between the guests, no physical connection to the intranet. Only apparent difference between adapter 2 and adapter 3 is that an OSA card that is attached to Adapter 2. Any one have experience with a similar situation/resolution? Peter -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to
Re: Call for Community Participation
Went to the site and looks like a great idea will investigate but do have one bitch. It does not come up when google "zlinux" or "linux vm" linux z/vm" or other variables. So I think that's where Floyd and many of us are coming from. If it were not for Floyd I and others still would not know about it. Got to get that crystal ball repaired. Thx anyway its now bookmarked. Richard (Gaz) Gasiorowski SA&E Solution Architect CSC 3170 Fairview Park Dr., Falls Church, VA 22042 845-889-8533|Work|845-392-7889 Cell|rgasi...@csc.com|www.csc.com This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose. From: Rich Smrcina To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu Date: 06/04/2010 03:23 PM Subject: Re: Call for Community Participation None of that now, it's already available. Contribute at will. http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvtype?LINUX-VM.77911 On 06/04/2010 02:11 PM, McKown, John wrote: > Of course, the first "fight" will be over which Linux distro and Wiki engine! > > -- > John McKown > Systems Engineer IV > IT > > Administrative Services Group > > HealthMarkets(r) > > 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 > (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell > john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com > > -- Rich Smrcina Phone: 414-491-6001 http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2011 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux on Z networking issue
In our case I had to configure as trunk due to the way the network admins configured the vlan on the physical switch port. I'll try to get the details from them. Patrick Carroll | Technology Architect II L.L.Bean, Inc.(r) | Double L St. | Freeport ME 04033 http://www.llbean.com | pcarr...@llbean.com | 207.552.2426 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. The information is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Any disclosure, copying, distribution, or other use of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this message. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of David Kreuter Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 3:20 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Linux on Z networking issue The vswitch can be vlan aware with Linux connecting on access ports, that's legit. The vswitch is then solely responsible for vlan packet insertion and removal. So adapter scenario 3 is a disconnected vswitch on layer 2. On adapter 2 if you remove the real OSA devices can you communicate between the virtual Linux machines? One piece of advise would be to check the microcode levels of your osa devices. There are some anomalies with sharing layer 2 and 3 traffic corrected on recent microcode updates. Although you are not sharing layer 2 and 3 it worth a shot as perhaps the MCL corrected other layer 2 problems as well. Just to confirm with the output from lsqeth that you are using layer2? And the layer 2 vswitch is defined as TYPE ETHERNET ? What does the output of NETSTAT ARP ALL TCP show? And you need to this command twice, breath in between. David Kreuter Original Message Subject: Re: Linux on Z networking issue From: Pat Carroll Date: Fri, June 04, 2010 3:12 pm To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU If you're doing vlan tagging you need to configure as a trunk port Patrick Carroll | Technology Architect II L.L.Bean, Inc.(r) | Double L St. | Freeport ME 04033 http://www.llbean.com | pcarr...@llbean.com | 207.552.2426 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. The information is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Any disclosure, copying, distribution, or other use of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this message. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Peter Pauer Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 12:46 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Linux on Z networking issue We have a customer experiencing difficulties with a s390 Linux under VM networking The Linux OS's tried are SuSe 11, SuSe 10.3 and RedHat 5.5 For test purposes on the guests we have defined Adapter 1: vswitch 1, layer 3, OSA card attached. 142.* ip address Adapter 2: vswitch 2, vlan aware, port access, layer 2, OSA card attached 10.* ip address Adapter 3: vswitch 3, vlan aware, port access, layer 2, NO OSA CARD 192.* ip address Adapter 1: is connected and working correctly between the VM guests and on the intranet. Adapter 2: is connected and not working between the VM guests also not working on the intranet. Adapter 3: is connected and working between the guests, no physical connection to the intranet. Only apparent difference between adapter 2 and adapter 3 is that an OSA card that is attached to Adapter 2. Any one have experience with a similar situation/resolution? Peter -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Call for Community Participation
None of that now, it's already available. Contribute at will. http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvtype?LINUX-VM.77911 On 06/04/2010 02:11 PM, McKown, John wrote: Of course, the first "fight" will be over which Linux distro and Wiki engine! -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com -- Rich Smrcina Phone: 414-491-6001 http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2011 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Call for Community Participation
Floyd I certainly would be interested in looking at the plan when complete. This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose. From: Floyd Rodery To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu Date: 06/04/2010 03:14 PM Subject: Re: Call for Community Participation Richard, I certainly agree and think we both sort of hit the same approach idea. Any/All contributions could be published/posted anonymous. I have a plan/guideline document that I'm working on and would certainly be willing to share it with anyone who's interested? The more idea's and "hands in the pot" the better as far as I'm concerned, as I agree, there's no "one idea/person" that suites everyone. The more involvement, the more idea's, the better the outcome (at least in my book, collaboration is key!). -FR On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Richard Gasiorowski wrote: > I think its a good idea and would be willing to contribute ONLY if it is > left anonymous. Company restrictions and that the biggest egos not take > ownership. > > So Floyd a strategic plan and some structure around it would be a good > idea. Too many sites do get built with the typical engineer mindset which > is like a developer mindset. Its my idea and it must be good ala- people > will come. This isn't baseball - field of dreams. > Never heard until today that there was a zLinux Wiki site built. At least > a site where google search criteria would generate a match. > > Do you have any plans? Guidelines? > > > > > > > > > > > This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please > delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in > delivery. > NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to > any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement > or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such > purpose. > > > > From: > David Boyes > To: > LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu > Date: > 06/04/2010 02:26 PM > Subject: > Re: Call for Community Participation > > > > If I misread, I apologize. The domain name looks like one of the ZDNet > vortex, which would really bug me as they're getting quite pissy about > paywalls and registration, yet continuing to solicit "contributors". > > -- db > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > > > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux on Z networking issue
The vswitch can be vlan aware with Linux connecting on access ports, that's legit. The vswitch is then solely responsible for vlan packet insertion and removal. So adapter scenario 3 is a disconnected vswitch on layer 2. On adapter 2 if you remove the real OSA devices can you communicate between the virtual Linux machines? One piece of advise would be to check the microcode levels of your osa devices. There are some anomalies with sharing layer 2 and 3 traffic corrected on recent microcode updates. Although you are not sharing layer 2 and 3 it worth a shot as perhaps the MCL corrected other layer 2 problems as well. Just to confirm with the output from lsqeth that you are using layer2? And the layer 2 vswitch is defined as TYPE ETHERNET ? What does the output of NETSTAT ARP ALL TCP show? And you need to this command twice, breath in between. David Kreuter Original Message Subject: Re: Linux on Z networking issue From: Pat Carroll Date: Fri, June 04, 2010 3:12 pm To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU If you're doing vlan tagging you need to configure as a trunk port Patrick Carroll | Technology Architect II L.L.Bean, Inc.(r) | Double L St. | Freeport ME 04033 http://www.llbean.com | pcarr...@llbean.com | 207.552.2426 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. The information is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Any disclosure, copying, distribution, or other use of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this message. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Peter Pauer Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 12:46 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Linux on Z networking issue We have a customer experiencing difficulties with a s390 Linux under VM networking The Linux OS's tried are SuSe 11, SuSe 10.3 and RedHat 5.5 For test purposes on the guests we have defined Adapter 1: vswitch 1, layer 3, OSA card attached. 142.* ip address Adapter 2: vswitch 2, vlan aware, port access, layer 2, OSA card attached 10.* ip address Adapter 3: vswitch 3, vlan aware, port access, layer 2, NO OSA CARD 192.* ip address Adapter 1: is connected and working correctly between the VM guests and on the intranet. Adapter 2: is connected and not working between the VM guests also not working on the intranet. Adapter 3: is connected and working between the guests, no physical connection to the intranet. Only apparent difference between adapter 2 and adapter 3 is that an OSA card that is attached to Adapter 2. Any one have experience with a similar situation/resolution? Peter -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Call for Community Participation
Richard, I certainly agree and think we both sort of hit the same approach idea. Any/All contributions could be published/posted anonymous. I have a plan/guideline document that I'm working on and would certainly be willing to share it with anyone who's interested? The more idea's and "hands in the pot" the better as far as I'm concerned, as I agree, there's no "one idea/person" that suites everyone. The more involvement, the more idea's, the better the outcome (at least in my book, collaboration is key!). -FR On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Richard Gasiorowski wrote: > I think its a good idea and would be willing to contribute ONLY if it is > left anonymous. Company restrictions and that the biggest egos not take > ownership. > > So Floyd a strategic plan and some structure around it would be a good > idea. Too many sites do get built with the typical engineer mindset which > is like a developer mindset. Its my idea and it must be good ala- people > will come. This isn't baseball - field of dreams. > Never heard until today that there was a zLinux Wiki site built. At least > a site where google search criteria would generate a match. > > Do you have any plans? Guidelines? > > > > > > > > > > > This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please > delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in > delivery. > NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to > any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement > or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such > purpose. > > > > From: > David Boyes > To: > LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu > Date: > 06/04/2010 02:26 PM > Subject: > Re: Call for Community Participation > > > > If I misread, I apologize. The domain name looks like one of the ZDNet > vortex, which would really bug me as they're getting quite pissy about > paywalls and registration, yet continuing to solicit "contributors". > > -- db > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > > > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux on Z networking issue
If you're doing vlan tagging you need to configure as a trunk port Patrick Carroll | Technology Architect II L.L.Bean, Inc.(r) | Double L St. | Freeport ME 04033 http://www.llbean.com | pcarr...@llbean.com | 207.552.2426 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. The information is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Any disclosure, copying, distribution, or other use of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this message. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Peter Pauer Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 12:46 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Linux on Z networking issue We have a customer experiencing difficulties with a s390 Linux under VM networking The Linux OS's tried are SuSe 11, SuSe 10.3 and RedHat 5.5 For test purposes on the guests we have defined Adapter 1: vswitch 1, layer 3, OSA card attached. 142.* ip address Adapter 2: vswitch 2, vlan aware, port access, layer 2, OSA card attached10.* ip address Adapter 3: vswitch 3, vlan aware, port access, layer 2, NO OSA CARD 192.* ip address Adapter 1: is connected and working correctly between the VM guests and on the intranet. Adapter 2: is connected and not working between the VM guests also not working on the intranet. Adapter 3: is connected and working between the guests, no physical connection to the intranet. Only apparent difference between adapter 2 and adapter 3 is that an OSA card that is attached to Adapter 2. Any one have experience with a similar situation/resolution? Peter -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Call for Community Participation
Of course, the first "fight" will be over which Linux distro and Wiki engine! -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Call for Community Participation
I think its a good idea and would be willing to contribute ONLY if it is left anonymous. Company restrictions and that the biggest egos not take ownership. So Floyd a strategic plan and some structure around it would be a good idea. Too many sites do get built with the typical engineer mindset which is like a developer mindset. Its my idea and it must be good ala- people will come. This isn't baseball - field of dreams. Never heard until today that there was a zLinux Wiki site built. At least a site where google search criteria would generate a match. Do you have any plans? Guidelines? This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose. From: David Boyes To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu Date: 06/04/2010 02:26 PM Subject: Re: Call for Community Participation If I misread, I apologize. The domain name looks like one of the ZDNet vortex, which would really bug me as they're getting quite pissy about paywalls and registration, yet continuing to solicit "contributors". -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Call for Community Participation
@Mark, Correct, I do work for DISA and decided to send the email from here, as opposed to my work email (didn't want any "conflict of interest" as far as work goes). Certainly not looking to make ANY money either, site will always be ad free (no adsense, payclicks, non of that crap), literally just an idea/site to maybe help the community in a small way. On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 2:25 PM, David Boyes wrote: > If I misread, I apologize. The domain name looks like one of the ZDNet > vortex, which would really bug me as they're getting quite pissy about > paywalls and registration, yet continuing to solicit "contributors". > > -- db > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Call for Community Participation
@Dave, The additional benefit would be to provide a more general approach to a zLinux information/community site, leveraging some of the newer web technologies and social aspects that seem to be "popular to the masses". As I stated before, this site isn't meant to take ANYTHING away from linuxvm.org (or any other site). linuxvm.org is an outstanding site for technical information. The benefit I see, is the structor of this site would be easily searchable and indexable content, essentially easy access to information (both tech and industry), as well as many other area's. In regards to "plan to pay contributors", that sort of takes away from the community aspect, but I guess it would always be a possibility if the site ever got to that level. Once again, this goal of the site is to be more community driven/interaction, trying to avoid the standard "this is my site, here's my content" approach. I'm not "press" or a "magazine" trying to get free content, and certainly not looking to produce any sort of income. As a matter of fact, I'm paying out of my own pocket for hosting, etc, every month. I'm not a company, a business, some new start-up looking to make a buck, simply a fellow zLinux sysadmin who enjoy's tinkering with web design/implementation and figured if I could start something that would benefit the community as a whole, then great! If not, no harm no foul... @Mark, As I just got done typing the previous paragraph and my past experience, I can certainly agree that getting folks involved "for the greater good" is always the stick in the mud. If your already working on something that I can direct my efforts in that direction, I would certainly be willing to. Might even be able to combine this "new" effort with your idea's and get some sort of organized community site as an outcome. Feel free to shoot me an email if you think there's a way to approach it. I certainly have a couple idea's I wouldn't mind bouncing around if anyone's willing to listen. -Floyd Rodery -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Call for Community Participation
If I misread, I apologize. The domain name looks like one of the ZDNet vortex, which would really bug me as they're getting quite pissy about paywalls and registration, yet continuing to solicit "contributors". -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Call for Community Participation
>>> On 6/4/2010 at 01:53 PM, David Boyes wrote: > Do you plan to pay contributors even a nominal amount? If not, this seems > strange if a "legit" press or magazine author is trying to get free content > for a "publication" that is designed to produce revenue... Floyd works for DISA, and has been on the mailing list for almost a year. I looked over the web site, and I don't think he's trying to make money off this. (While still acknowledging that I could be wrong.) Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Call for Community Participation
>>> On 6/4/2010 at 01:41 PM, Floyd Rodery wrote: > Good afternoon all, > > I'll keep this as brief as possible, as I'm sure there will be some > interested, and some might not make it past this sentence. > > I'm sending this out to see if there is anyone, or hopefully more then one, > who would be interested in participating in a new "zLinux" website. Before > the common response of "Why another site for Linux on System z", there is a > different direction intended for this. > > When I first started out in zLinux, there was not a central information > source that covered all aspects of the things behind the scenes that make > Linux on System z work. This was largely why Mike MacIsaac and I wanted to start a wiki. That was done, but getting people to contribute to it has been rather difficult, to say the least. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux on Z networking issue
>>> On 6/4/2010 at 12:45 PM, Peter Pauer wrote: > We have a customer experiencing difficulties with a s390 Linux under VM > networking > > The Linux OS's tried are SuSe 11, SuSe 10.3 and RedHat 5.5 > > For test purposes on the guests we have defined > Adapter 1: vswitch 1, layer 3, OSA card > attached. 142.* ip address > Adapter 2: vswitch 2, vlan aware, port access, layer 2, OSA card > attached10.* ip address > Adapter 3: vswitch 3, vlan aware, port access, layer 2, NO OSA CARD > 192.* ip address My understanding, based on Alan Altmark's frequent contributions is that anything VLAN aware needs to be on a trunk port, not an access port. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Call for Community Participation
There's linuxvm.org already. What additional benefit beyond that do you see this providing? Do you plan to pay contributors even a nominal amount? If not, this seems strange if a "legit" press or magazine author is trying to get free content for a "publication" that is designed to produce revenue... -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: sles10-sp3 cannot login after a base install
>>> On 6/4/2010 at 09:43 AM, Bernie Wu wrote: > Hi Listers, > What userid do I use to sign in after doing a base install of SLES10-SP3 > from my 3270 session ? > All I see is : > > Welcome to SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP3 (s390x) - Kernel > 2.6.16.21-0.8-default (ttys0) > linux login: > > No matter what userid I use all I get is "Login incorrect". > > Has anyone else encountered this ? Yes, if I tried to cut down the package list too far. Define "base install." Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: sles10-sp3 cannot login after a base install
>>> On 6/4/2010 at 12:34 PM, "Edgington, Gerald" wrote: > I believe the default is to make the root password the same as the user > defined during the installation process. That's possible with SLES11, but not really the default. It's certainly not for SLES10. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Call for Community Participation
Good afternoon all, I'll keep this as brief as possible, as I'm sure there will be some interested, and some might not make it past this sentence. I'm sending this out to see if there is anyone, or hopefully more then one, who would be interested in participating in a new "zLinux" website. Before the common response of "Why another site for Linux on System z", there is a different direction intended for this. When I first started out in zLinux, there was not a central information source that covered all aspects of the things behind the scenes that make Linux on System z work. I would be bouncing between the ListServ (great resource!), IBM's site, Novell's site, Velocity's site, linuxvm.org (another great resource), and many more, in order to piece together some general information. I thought there were sites for "regular Linux", like linux.com, linuxjournal.com, etc, which provide weekly news updates, tech tips/how-to's, vendor news, etc. So with those goals in mind, I decided to tinker with the idea of a website for zLinux that would do just that. The site is NOT meant to contend with the exsisting sites relating to Linux on System z, more of a site to provide a spot to visit for a quick dose of weekly zLinux information. With all of that mentioned, and if your still hopefully reading this, would anyone be interested in participating from the community? I envision this site as more of a "virtual magazine", with a structor similiar to www.linuxjournal.com. *What does "participating" mean?* Essentially anyone who would be willing to contribute content, information, articles, tips, how-to's, etc. You don't have to be an expert or an english major, just willing to help out with contributing small bits of information (1 or 2 paragraph articles, etc). This is very open-ended, so any suggestions would be great! *The goal being to create a site that benefits the community as a whole, from the experts, to the new folks, to the vendors, etc.* Thanks again for your time, hope everyone enjoys the weekend. -Floyd Rodery -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux on Z networking issue
Are the virtual machines authorized to connect to VSwitch2? On 06/04/2010 11:45 AM, Peter Pauer wrote: We have a customer experiencing difficulties with a s390 Linux under VM networking The Linux OS's tried are SuSe 11, SuSe 10.3 and RedHat 5.5 For test purposes on the guests we have defined Adapter 1: vswitch 1, layer 3, OSA card attached. 142.* ip address Adapter 2: vswitch 2, vlan aware, port access, layer 2, OSA card attached10.* ip address Adapter 3: vswitch 3, vlan aware, port access, layer 2, NO OSA CARD 192.* ip address Adapter 1: is connected and working correctly between the VM guests and on the intranet. Adapter 2: is connected and not working between the VM guests also not working on the intranet. Adapter 3: is connected and working between the guests, no physical connection to the intranet. Only apparent difference between adapter 2 and adapter 3 is that an OSA card that is attached to Adapter 2. Any one have experience with a similar situation/resolution? Peter -- Rich Smrcina Phone: 414-491-6001 http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2011 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Linux on Z networking issue
We have a customer experiencing difficulties with a s390 Linux under VM networking The Linux OS's tried are SuSe 11, SuSe 10.3 and RedHat 5.5 For test purposes on the guests we have defined Adapter 1: vswitch 1, layer 3, OSA card attached. 142.* ip address Adapter 2: vswitch 2, vlan aware, port access, layer 2, OSA card attached10.* ip address Adapter 3: vswitch 3, vlan aware, port access, layer 2, NO OSA CARD 192.* ip address Adapter 1: is connected and working correctly between the VM guests and on the intranet. Adapter 2: is connected and not working between the VM guests also not working on the intranet. Adapter 3: is connected and working between the guests, no physical connection to the intranet. Only apparent difference between adapter 2 and adapter 3 is that an OSA card that is attached to Adapter 2. Any one have experience with a similar situation/resolution? Peter -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: sles10-sp3 cannot login after a base install
I believe the default is to make the root password the same as the user defined during the installation process. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Rich Smrcina Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 12:24 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: sles10-sp3 cannot login after a base install That's very strange. Pay special attention to the part of the install when it asks you to provide the root password and add another user. On 06/04/2010 11:07 AM, Bernie Wu wrote: > Thanks Rich for your reply. > I tried "root". All I got back was "Login incorrect" > > > -- Rich Smrcina Phone: 414-491-6001 http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2011 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: sles10-sp3 cannot login after a base install
That's very strange. Pay special attention to the part of the install when it asks you to provide the root password and add another user. On 06/04/2010 11:07 AM, Bernie Wu wrote: Thanks Rich for your reply. I tried "root". All I got back was "Login incorrect" -- Rich Smrcina Phone: 414-491-6001 http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2011 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: sles10-sp3 cannot login after a base install
Thanks Samir. Currently, I am trying a complete re-install. If that doesn't work, I will try the rescue method. The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. This message may be an attorney-client communication and/or work product and as such is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: sles10-sp3 cannot login after a base install
Thanks Rich for your reply. I tried "root". All I got back was "Login incorrect" The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. This message may be an attorney-client communication and/or work product and as such is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: sles10-sp3 cannot login after a base install
If you can't login with the root user, you can try resetting the root password. You boot from the installation dvd en choose the rescue system. you mount the disk that contains the root "/" en you do a chroot to this mount. After the chroot you can use the passwd command to change the root password: for example: chccwdev -e 0.0.0200 mount /dev/dasda1 /mnt mount -o bind /proc /mnt/proc mount -o bind /sys /mnt/sys mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev chroot /mnt passwd Samir Reddahi Bernie Wu Sent by: Linux on 390 Port 04/06/2010 15:44 Please respond to Linux on 390 Port To LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject sles10-sp3 cannot login after a base install Hi Listers, What userid do I use to sign in after doing a base install of SLES10-SP3 from my 3270 session ? All I see is : Welcome to SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP3 (s390x) - Kernel 2.6.16.21-0.8-default (ttys0) linux login: No matter what userid I use all I get is "Login incorrect". Has anyone else encountered this ? TIA Bernie Wu The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. This message may be an attorney-client communication and/or work product and as such is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 - Confidentiality Notice - This communication and the information it contains is intended (a) for the person(s) or organization(s) named above and for no other person or organization, and (b) may be confidential, legally privileged and protected by law. Unauthorized use, copying or disclosure of any of it may be unlawful! If you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately, destroy any copies and delete it from your computer system. Please consult our disclaimer on our site www.securex.eu Thank you. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: tar extract - code conversion.
I feel your pain, John. For details of my shock period, see the end of this reply. Long note. Before you get too annoyed ... the 0x15 thing is actually a blessing. It turns out that since USS plain text uses EBCDIC NL and all other Unix use ASCII LF, you can programatically recognize one or the other and adjust reliably. In both character sets, 0x15 and 0x0a are non-printable. But 0x85, which is the official ASCII "newline", might be mistaken as an EBCDIC lower case "e". And the EBCDIC "linefeed" is 0x25, which could be an ASCII percent sign. On USS, PAX gets it right. Dunno how to beat 'iconv' into submission. When you find out, please let me know. I have some old and very crude code based on this surprising characteristic. It scans an input stream that is supposed to be plain text. When it sees a 0x0a, it treats the preceding content as ASCII. When it sees a 0x15, it treats the preceding content as EBCDIC. It then either translates or not based on the local environment. Unix made the mistake of calling 0x0a "newline". It's not. Never was. 0x0a is "linefeed". The mixup probably came from abstraction semantics (eg: backslash n in C programs). But this is just a guess. EBCDIC also has both linefeed (0x25) and carriage return (0x0d, surprisingly the same as for ASCII). When ASCII grew up from 7-bit to 8-bit, it got a formal newline, which is 0x85. Welcome to the world of control characters. Back in the late 80s, some good people put a lot of time into normalizing all this stuff. As for me ... when I first saw OpenVM, I was stoked! Mount the root FS, then 'openvm shell', and voi-la! All the minimal standard stuff was there. (Of course there was a compiler to build the add-ons everyone demanded.) So I brought in a tarball with my stuff, cracked it open, tried to run one of my handy shell scripts ... bbbzzzttt!!! Didn't work. Not just didn't work, it was as if something had gotten really trashed. Looking at the file, I realized that it was ASCII (as expected) but that the byte filesystem side of CMS was EBCDIC (not expected). I was totally bummed out and didn't touch OpenVM for like 7 months. I was spittin bullets mad at IBM for this stupidity. When you cross the line from record oriented to byte oriented, add that "newline" but also translate the rest. Yes? No. Then I realized that they HAD to do it the way they did (stream, yes, but EBCDIC). There would have been all kinds of issues with compilers and things like that if USS (and OpenVM) spoke ASCII. (Not that I would not personally be delighted.) I do wish that all USS and OpenVM utils which expect "plain text" would include and automatic 0x15 / 0x0a sense on their input. I'm not asking for much. :-) -- R; <>< On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 08:39, McKown, John wrote: > Thanks to all for these scripts. I've now got another whine for IBM about > z/OS UNIX. z/OS UNIX uses "new line" (0x15) as a line ending instead of LF > (line feed). So, when I use iconv on Linux, the 0x15 gets translated to 0x85. > EBCDIC is becoming a royal PITA for me! The z/OS version of pax has a > "properly perverted" translate table to translate 0x15 to 0x0a and vice versa > on its translation. > > -- > John McKown > Systems Engineer IV > IT > > Administrative Services Group > > HealthMarkets(r) > > 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 > (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell > john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or > proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please > contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original > message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and > issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake > Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of > TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: tar extract - code conversion.
> -Original Message- > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On > Behalf Of Al Dunsmuir > Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 9:08 AM > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: Re: tar extract - code conversion. > > John > > There are 2 different EBCDIC character line termination conventions. > > EBCDIC CR (x0D) + LF (x25). > I believe this originated from BiSync, and was a direct translation > of Teletype ASCII. This tended to be associated with traditional > MVS processing. > > Equivalent to ASCII CR (x0D) + LF (x0A) used by DOS and Windows > > EBCDIC NL (x15) Newline > This was used by VM (perhaps originating from 3715 printer?). > It was in turn used by the C/C++ compilers on VM/MVS/zOS. > > Equivalent to ASCII LF (x0A) convention used by UNIX. It is natural > and a good thing that Linux followed this convention. > > The ASCII NEL (x85) is normally associated with Unicode (UTF-8) > encoding. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newline. In a few months > I'm going to be playing with EBCDIC<>ASCII in Unicode, so I'm not sure > of all the details on z/OS. The latest (zOS XL 1.11) C/C++ compiler > does add Unicode support, so those and the LE docs will be my first > stop. > > The iconv function reflects the LE iconv function operation, and I do > agree that it can be a pain. It associates the output line terminator > based on the "to" code page selected. IBM-037 (traditional MVS) gets > you CRLF. IBM-1047 (UNIX System Services) gets you NL. > > What was the command line that you used which resulted in NEL instead > of NL when converting to ASCII? > Al When I use pax on z/OS UNIX to do my conversion, I use: pax -ofrom=IBM-1047,to=ISO8859-1 -wvf file.pax list.of.files and my ISO8859-1 files are good on Linux when I use tar to unwind them. The problem comes if I don't do the conversion on z/OS using pax. In that case, I transfer the IBM-1047 encoded files via pax, unwind on Linux, then convert from IBM-1047 to ISO8859-1 on Linux. The iconv on Linux converts the NEL (0x15 EBCDIC) to 0x85. So after the iconv, I need a tr to convert \205 to \012 (octal equivalents of 0x85 and 0x0a). -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: tar extract - code conversion.
Friday, June 4, 2010, 8:39:08 AM, John wrote: > Thanks to all for these scripts. I've now got another whine for IBM > about z/OS UNIX. z/OS UNIX uses "new line" (0x15) as a line ending > instead of LF (line feed). So, when I use iconv on Linux, the 0x15 > gets translated to 0x85. EBCDIC is becoming a royal PITA for me! The > z/OS version of pax has a "properly perverted" translate table to > translate 0x15 to 0x0a and vice versa on its translation. > -- > John McKown > Systems Engineer IV > IT John There are 2 different EBCDIC character line termination conventions. EBCDIC CR (x0D) + LF (x25). I believe this originated from BiSync, and was a direct translation of Teletype ASCII. This tended to be associated with traditional MVS processing. Equivalent to ASCII CR (x0D) + LF (x0A) used by DOS and Windows EBCDIC NL (x15) Newline This was used by VM (perhaps originating from 3715 printer?). It was in turn used by the C/C++ compilers on VM/MVS/zOS. Equivalent to ASCII LF (x0A) convention used by UNIX. It is natural and a good thing that Linux followed this convention. The ASCII NEL (x85) is normally associated with Unicode (UTF-8) encoding. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newline. In a few months I'm going to be playing with EBCDIC<>ASCII in Unicode, so I'm not sure of all the details on z/OS. The latest (zOS XL 1.11) C/C++ compiler does add Unicode support, so those and the LE docs will be my first stop. The iconv function reflects the LE iconv function operation, and I do agree that it can be a pain. It associates the output line terminator based on the "to" code page selected. IBM-037 (traditional MVS) gets you CRLF. IBM-1047 (UNIX System Services) gets you NL. What was the command line that you used which resulted in NEL instead of NL when converting to ASCII? Al -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: sles10-sp3 cannot login after a base install
root? On 06/04/2010 08:43 AM, Bernie Wu wrote: Hi Listers, What userid do I use to sign in after doing a base install of SLES10-SP3 from my 3270 session ? All I see is : Welcome to SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP3 (s390x) - Kernel 2.6.16.21-0.8-default (ttys0) linux login: No matter what userid I use all I get is "Login incorrect". Has anyone else encountered this ? TIA Bernie Wu -- Rich Smrcina Phone: 414-491-6001 http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2011 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
sles10-sp3 cannot login after a base install
Hi Listers, What userid do I use to sign in after doing a base install of SLES10-SP3 from my 3270 session ? All I see is : Welcome to SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP3 (s390x) - Kernel 2.6.16.21-0.8-default (ttys0) linux login: No matter what userid I use all I get is "Login incorrect". Has anyone else encountered this ? TIA Bernie Wu The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. This message may be an attorney-client communication and/or work product and as such is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: tar extract - code conversion.
Thanks to all for these scripts. I've now got another whine for IBM about z/OS UNIX. z/OS UNIX uses "new line" (0x15) as a line ending instead of LF (line feed). So, when I use iconv on Linux, the 0x15 gets translated to 0x85. EBCDIC is becoming a royal PITA for me! The z/OS version of pax has a "properly perverted" translate table to translate 0x15 to 0x0a and vice versa on its translation. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
