Re: DIRM problem

2015-10-05 Thread Alan Altmark
On Monday, 10/05/2015 at 01:42 EDT, Bruce Hayden 
wrote:
> What do you have for all the configuration variables that start with PW_
in
> your CONFIG99 DATADVH file?  The expire days should be set by
> PW_INTERVAL_FOR_SET= according to the documentation.  I'm guessing it is
> not the default value or at least greater than zero.
>
> But - you say you also have RACF.  In that case, forget all of the PW_
> settings because RACF is the one that will be managing the passwords.
You
> set the password change interval, etc. using the RAC SETROPTS (set RACF
> options) command.

Nah.  DIRMAINT still keeps track of when passwords were changed via
DIRMAINT.

Tearing the problem apart...
DVHADD3212E Unexpected RC= 3376, from: EXEC DVHSTPWC ADD LXTEST2 CONFIG

This error is because there is a problem with the PW_INTERVAL_FOR_SET
statement.  A DIRM ADD, CHNGID, or SETPW command (ADD, in this case)
attempted to set the password validity interval to a value that is higher
than the interval from the PW_INTERVAL_FOR_GEN statement (2nd value).  The
default is 97 days.

There is either a bug in the doc or a bug in the code. PW_INTERVAL_FOR_GEN
is documented to have to values on it:  The first value specifies the
number of days a password is valid following one of the commands that set
the password for a general user, the second value specifies the number of
days a password is valid for a privileged user.

The code doesn't do that.  It assumes all users are general users as far
as PW_INTERVAL_FOR_SET is concerned.

I would do a
   DIRM CMS LISTFILE CONFIG* DATADVH *
to see what configuration files are available.  Then I would look in all
of them for a PW_INTERVAL_FOR_SET statement.  Not finding any, I would
simply restart DIRMAINT.  If you comment out a statement, RLDDATA won't
always work since as far as it's concerned, nothing is overriding the
existing value.

You can just put a null value on it.
   PW_INTERVAL_FOR_SET=

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Re: zKVM on zpdt

2015-10-05 Thread Alan Altmark
On Monday, 10/05/2015 at 04:33 EDT, Carsten Otte  wrote:
> I think you ran into a Linux dasd device driver problem. The issue is,
that
> the awsckd emulator does not support (and does not advertiese) the
prefix
> command. This is perfectly fine for a 3390 device, however Linux does
issue
> this command on 3390. The issue has been reported and is fixed in
upstream
> Linux. I think the bugfix needs to be backported to your level of code.
> As a workaround, you can bring up another linux that is either old
enough
> for not having the bug or new enough to have the fix, and do dasdfmt on
> your dasd. Using the dasd (partitioning, creating and mounting
filesystems)
> works flawless from your kernel as far as I can tell.

Carsten, I would suggest that if the a CCW gets CMD REJ, that the details
be displayed somewhere. I mean something that says " was
rejected by device ".   z/VM has something called "intensive error
recording mode" where it records details of UNIT CHECKs on a device.  Look
at the CP SET RECORD command.  Linux needs something similar, perhaps.

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Re: zKVM installation problem

2015-10-05 Thread Robert J Brenneman
1) format the disk with something else first. It almost doesn't matter what
- just make a real volume label on cyl 0.
2) just click  all the way through the install and take the defaults
for the disk layout.

Open a PMR if that works describing what you were trying to do originally -
this is to prove to support that your environment is able to run zKVM.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Christian Borntraeger <
borntrae...@de.ibm.com> wrote:

> Am 05.10.2015 um 17:11 schrieb Ray Mansell:
> > I'm trying to install zKVM in a virtual machine, but no matter what
> > installation options I choose, I always get the following error:
> >
> > 2015-10-03 14:39:40,900 - controller.controller - INFO - InstallProgress
> > screen
> > 2015-10-03 14:39:40,901 - controller.controller - INFO - Formatting
> disks...
> > 2015-10-03 14:39:40,901 - controller.controller - INFO - Installing KVM
> > for IBM z into disk dasda...
> > 2015-10-03 14:39:41,041 - model.installfunctions - INFO - Get
> repodata_file
> > 2015-10-03 14:39:41,088 - model.installfunctions - CRITICAL - Failed
> > installSystem
> > 2015-10-03 14:39:41,089 - model.installfunctions - CRITICAL -
> > EXCEPTION:
> > 2015-10-03 14:39:41,089 - model.installfunctions - CRITICAL - local
> > variable 's' referenced before assignment
> > 2015-10-03 14:39:41,089 - model.installfunctions - CRITICAL -
> > Stacktrace:Traceback (most recent call last):
> >   File "/opt/ibm/kvmibm-installer/model/installfunctions.py", line 357,
> > in installSystem
> > installPackages(rootDir, callback)
> >   File "/opt/ibm/kvmibm-installer/model/installfunctions.py", line 749,
> > in installPackages
> > repodata_file = getRepodataFile(repo, logger)
> >   File "/opt/ibm/kvmibm-installer/model/installfunctions.py", line 548,
> > in getRepodataFile
> > d = re.split('([\d\w]+-primary.sqlite.bz2)', s)
> > UnboundLocalError: local variable 's' referenced before assignment
> >
> > 2015-10-03 14:39:41,095 - controller.controller - CRITICAL - ZKVMError:
> > [['KVMIBMIN70500', 'Error while installing packages.'], ('INSTALLER',
> > 'INSTALLSYSTEM', 'INSTALL_MSG')]
> >
> > Help? Please?
>
> Can you give Grzegorz suggestion of a preformat a try?
> In case you have subscription & support, a PMR is certainly the right
> thing to do to get this fixed properly.
>
>
> Christian
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Re: zKVM on zpdt

2015-10-05 Thread Tito Garrido
Hi Carsten,

Thanks for your inputs.

I have formatted from another linux and it worked.

Now I got another error on chreipl step:
























*2015-10-02 17:16:24,106 - model.installfunctions - DEBUG - Zipl output is:
Using config file '/etc/zipl.conf'Building bootmap in '/boot'Building menu
'zipl-automatic-menu'Adding #1: IPL section 'linux' (default)Preparing boot
device: dasda (5001).Done.2015-10-02 17:16:24,111 - model.installfunctions
- DEBUG - Zipl error output is:2015-10-02 17:16:24,130 -
model.installfunctions - DEBUG - Zipl bootName is: dasda2015-10-02
17:16:24,187 - model.installfunctions - DEBUG - chreipl output
is:2015-10-02 17:16:24,191 - model.installfunctions - DEBUG - chreipl error
output is: chreipl: Could not open "reipl/ccw/loadparm" (Permission
denied)2015-10-02 17:16:24,194 - model.installfunctions - ERROR - Error
running chreipl2015-10-02 17:16:24,198 - model.installfunctions - CRITICAL
- Failed installSystem2015-10-02 17:16:24,201 - model.installfunctions -
CRITICAL - EXCEPTION:2015-10-02
17:16:24,204 - model.installfunctions - CRITICAL - Error running
chreipl2015-10-02 17:16:24,223 - model.installfunctions - CRITICAL -
Stacktrace:Traceback (most recent call last): File
"/opt/ibm/kvmibm-installer/model/installfunctions.py", line 377, in
installSystem   installBootloader(diskSelected, rootDir, bootDev, rootDev,
swapDev) File "/opt/ibm/kvmibm-installer/model/installfunctions.py", line
1101, in installBootloader   raise RuntimeError('Error running
chreipl')RuntimeError: Error running chreipl2015-10-02 17:16:24,625 -
controller.controller - CRITICAL - ZKVMError: [['KVMIBMIN70500', 'Error
while installing packages.'], ('INSTALLER', 'INSTALLSYSTEM',
'INSTALL_MSG')](END)*
Probably is another issue with zPDT.



On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 5:30 AM, Carsten Otte  wrote:

>
> Tito,
>
> I think you ran into a Linux dasd device driver problem. The issue is, that
> the awsckd emulator does not support (and does not advertiese) the prefix
> command. This is perfectly fine for a 3390 device, however Linux does issue
> this command on 3390. The issue has been reported and is fixed in upstream
> Linux. I think the bugfix needs to be backported to your level of code.
> As a workaround, you can bring up another linux that is either old enough
> for not having the bug or new enough to have the fix, and do dasdfmt on
> your dasd. Using the dasd (partitioning, creating and mounting filesystems)
> works flawless from your kernel as far as I can tell.
>
> so long,
> Carsten
> --
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> IBM Deutschland R&D
> Firmware Development
>
>
>
> From:   Tito Garrido 
> To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Date:   02/10/2015 18:30
> Subject:Re: zKVM on zpdt
> Sent by:Linux on 390 Port 
>
>
>
> FYI: To make it work I had to format the dasds on an older Linux like
> RHEL6.
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Tito Garrido 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> >   I have already asked this question on z1090 mail list but it may be
> > interesting for other people here that would like to try zKVM and also
> you
> > may know the answer :)
> >
> >
> > I am trying to install zKVM on zpdt but it is not able to run dasdfmt
> > during the installation:
> >
> >
> > 2015-10-02 02:13:15,704 - program - INFO - Running... /sbin/dasdfmt -y -d
> > cdl -b 4096 /dev/dasda
> > 2015-10-02 02:13:15,734 - program - INFO - /sbin/dasdfmt: (invalidate
> > first track) IOCTL BIODASDFMT failed. (Input/output error)
> >
> > Any clue?
> >
> > I have already tried to run CPFMTXA on a z/VM instance and run the
> > installation again but no success...
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tito
> >
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Re: zKVM installation problem

2015-10-05 Thread Christian Borntraeger
Am 05.10.2015 um 17:11 schrieb Ray Mansell:
> I'm trying to install zKVM in a virtual machine, but no matter what
> installation options I choose, I always get the following error:
>
> 2015-10-03 14:39:40,900 - controller.controller - INFO - InstallProgress
> screen
> 2015-10-03 14:39:40,901 - controller.controller - INFO - Formatting disks...
> 2015-10-03 14:39:40,901 - controller.controller - INFO - Installing KVM
> for IBM z into disk dasda...
> 2015-10-03 14:39:41,041 - model.installfunctions - INFO - Get repodata_file
> 2015-10-03 14:39:41,088 - model.installfunctions - CRITICAL - Failed
> installSystem
> 2015-10-03 14:39:41,089 - model.installfunctions - CRITICAL -
> EXCEPTION:
> 2015-10-03 14:39:41,089 - model.installfunctions - CRITICAL - local
> variable 's' referenced before assignment
> 2015-10-03 14:39:41,089 - model.installfunctions - CRITICAL -
> Stacktrace:Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/opt/ibm/kvmibm-installer/model/installfunctions.py", line 357,
> in installSystem
> installPackages(rootDir, callback)
>   File "/opt/ibm/kvmibm-installer/model/installfunctions.py", line 749,
> in installPackages
> repodata_file = getRepodataFile(repo, logger)
>   File "/opt/ibm/kvmibm-installer/model/installfunctions.py", line 548,
> in getRepodataFile
> d = re.split('([\d\w]+-primary.sqlite.bz2)', s)
> UnboundLocalError: local variable 's' referenced before assignment
>
> 2015-10-03 14:39:41,095 - controller.controller - CRITICAL - ZKVMError:
> [['KVMIBMIN70500', 'Error while installing packages.'], ('INSTALLER',
> 'INSTALLSYSTEM', 'INSTALL_MSG')]
>
> Help? Please?

Can you give Grzegorz suggestion of a preformat a try?
In case you have subscription & support, a PMR is certainly the right
thing to do to get this fixed properly.


Christian

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Re: zKVM installation problem

2015-10-05 Thread Grzegorz Powiedziuk
It’s a long shot but was the disk purged or you reused an old disk with some 
leftovers on it?
I’ve seen weird python errors similar to these ones (unfortunately I didn’t 
keep traces to compare) in some linux distribution during the installation if I 
had a “dirty disk”. 
And zKVM seems to be just another linux system. 
Redhat was really bad about this. It just didn’t like dirty disks even if it 
claimed that it will format them (especially minidisks which just overlapped 
older bigger minidisks in the past so just trash without a real partition 
table). 
In your trace, the error happens just one second after “formatting disks…” 
message. There is no way it would have enough time to finish format. 
So that’s why I popped into my mind. 
I would try to format it with ickdsf or cpfmtxa before running install, just in 
case. 

Gregory Powiedziuk




> On Oct 5, 2015, at 11:11 AM, Ray Mansell  wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to install zKVM in a virtual machine, but no matter what
> installation options I choose, I always get the following error:
> 
> 2015-10-03 14:39:40,900 - controller.controller - INFO - InstallProgress
> screen
> 2015-10-03 14:39:40,901 - controller.controller - INFO - Formatting disks...
> 2015-10-03 14:39:40,901 - controller.controller - INFO - Installing KVM
> for IBM z into disk dasda...
> 2015-10-03 14:39:41,041 - model.installfunctions - INFO - Get repodata_file
> 2015-10-03 14:39:41,088 - model.installfunctions - CRITICAL - Failed
> installSystem
> 2015-10-03 14:39:41,089 - model.installfunctions - CRITICAL -
> EXCEPTION:
> 2015-10-03 14:39:41,089 - model.installfunctions - CRITICAL - local
> variable 's' referenced before assignment
> 2015-10-03 14:39:41,089 - model.installfunctions - CRITICAL -
> Stacktrace:Traceback (most recent call last):
> File "/opt/ibm/kvmibm-installer/model/installfunctions.py", line 357,
> in installSystem
>   installPackages(rootDir, callback)
> File "/opt/ibm/kvmibm-installer/model/installfunctions.py", line 749,
> in installPackages
>   repodata_file = getRepodataFile(repo, logger)
> File "/opt/ibm/kvmibm-installer/model/installfunctions.py", line 548,
> in getRepodataFile
>   d = re.split('([\d\w]+-primary.sqlite.bz2)', s)
> UnboundLocalError: local variable 's' referenced before assignment
> 
> 2015-10-03 14:39:41,095 - controller.controller - CRITICAL - ZKVMError:
> [['KVMIBMIN70500', 'Error while installing packages.'], ('INSTALLER',
> 'INSTALLSYSTEM', 'INSTALL_MSG')]
> 
> Help? Please?
> 
> Ray...
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Re: zKVM installation problem

2015-10-05 Thread Grzegorz Powiedziuk
It’s a long shot but was the disk purged or you reused an old disk with some 
leftovers on it?
I’ve seen weird python errors similar to these ones (unfortunately I didn’t 
keep traces to compare) in some linux distribution during the installation if I 
had a “dirty disk”. 
And zKVM seems to be just another linux system. 
Redhat was really bad about this. It just didn’t like dirty disks even if it 
claimed that it will format them (especially minidisks which just overlapped 
older bigger minidisks in the past so just trash without a real partition 
table). 
In your trace, the error happens just one second after “formatting disks…” 
message. There is no way it would have enough time to finish format. 
So that’s why I popped into my mind. 
I would try to format it with ickdsf or cpfmtxa before running install, just in 
case. 

Gregory Powiedziuk




> On Oct 5, 2015, at 11:11 AM, Ray Mansell  wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to install zKVM in a virtual machine, but no matter what
> installation options I choose, I always get the following error:
> 
> 2015-10-03 14:39:40,900 - controller.controller - INFO - InstallProgress
> screen
> 2015-10-03 14:39:40,901 - controller.controller - INFO - Formatting disks...
> 2015-10-03 14:39:40,901 - controller.controller - INFO - Installing KVM
> for IBM z into disk dasda...
> 2015-10-03 14:39:41,041 - model.installfunctions - INFO - Get repodata_file
> 2015-10-03 14:39:41,088 - model.installfunctions - CRITICAL - Failed
> installSystem
> 2015-10-03 14:39:41,089 - model.installfunctions - CRITICAL -
> EXCEPTION:
> 2015-10-03 14:39:41,089 - model.installfunctions - CRITICAL - local
> variable 's' referenced before assignment
> 2015-10-03 14:39:41,089 - model.installfunctions - CRITICAL -
> Stacktrace:Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "/opt/ibm/kvmibm-installer/model/installfunctions.py", line 357,
> in installSystem
>installPackages(rootDir, callback)
>  File "/opt/ibm/kvmibm-installer/model/installfunctions.py", line 749,
> in installPackages
>repodata_file = getRepodataFile(repo, logger)
>  File "/opt/ibm/kvmibm-installer/model/installfunctions.py", line 548,
> in getRepodataFile
>d = re.split('([\d\w]+-primary.sqlite.bz2)', s)
> UnboundLocalError: local variable 's' referenced before assignment
> 
> 2015-10-03 14:39:41,095 - controller.controller - CRITICAL - ZKVMError:
> [['KVMIBMIN70500', 'Error while installing packages.'], ('INSTALLER',
> 'INSTALLSYSTEM', 'INSTALL_MSG')]
> 
> Help? Please?
> 
> Ray...
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Re: DIRM problem

2015-10-05 Thread Shumate, Scott
Yes.  I reloaded code and data.

Thanks
Scott


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>>> On 10/5/2015 at 11:00 AM, "Shumate, Scott"  wrote:
> What am I missing?  I did comment out PW_INTERVAL_FOR_GEN=   0 0 in my
> config99 datadvh file but still get this error.

Did you recycle Dirmaint after making that change?  It may be something that 
gets evaluated at startup time only.


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Re: DIRM problem

2015-10-05 Thread Mark Post
>>> On 10/5/2015 at 11:00 AM, "Shumate, Scott"  wrote: 
> What am I missing?  I did comment out PW_INTERVAL_FOR_GEN=   0 0 in my 
> config99 datadvh file but still get this error.

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Re: DIRM problem

2015-10-05 Thread Bruce Hayden
What do you have for all the configuration variables that start with PW_ in
your CONFIG99 DATADVH file?  The expire days should be set by
PW_INTERVAL_FOR_SET= according to the documentation.  I'm guessing it is
not the default value or at least greater than zero.

But - you say you also have RACF.  In that case, forget all of the PW_
settings because RACF is the one that will be managing the passwords.  You
set the password change interval, etc. using the RAC SETROPTS (set RACF
options) command.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Shumate, Scott 
wrote:

> I'm in the process of setting up DIRMAINT AND RACF to work together so we
> can exploit SMAPI.  I'm using redbook The Virtualization Cookbook for IBM z
> Systems
> Volume 1: IBM z/VM 6.3 to configure it.  I'm on section 8.3.  When I run
> the command to add the server, I get the following error.
>
>
> DVHREQ2288I Your ADD request for LXTEST2 at * has been accepted.
> DVHPWU3376E Days can not exceed the current password expire value of 0
> DVHPWU3376E for user LXTEST2.
> DVHADD3212E Unexpected RC= 3376, from: EXEC DVHSTPWC ADD LXTEST2 CONFIG
> DVHREQ2289E Your ADD request for LXTEST2 at * has failed; with RC =
> DVHREQ2289E 3212.
>
> What am I missing?  I did comment out PW_INTERVAL_FOR_GEN=   0 0 in my
> config99 datadvh file but still get this error.
>
> Thanks
> Scott
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Re: zKVM installation problem

2015-10-05 Thread Ray Mansell

On 10/5/2015 13:28, Mark Post wrote:

On 10/5/2015 at 11:11 AM, Ray Mansell  wrote:

Help? Please?

That looks like a problem IBM will need to fix.  One question, though; does 
your virtual machine provide all the system resources they ask for in the 
documentation?


Mark Post


I'm pretty sure it does, but I will certainly check again.

Ray

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Re: zKVM installation problem

2015-10-05 Thread Mark Post
>>> On 10/5/2015 at 11:11 AM, Ray Mansell  wrote: 
> Help? Please?

That looks like a problem IBM will need to fix.  One question, though; does 
your virtual machine provide all the system resources they ask for in the 
documentation?


Mark Post

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Re: DIRM problem

2015-10-05 Thread Barton Robinson

This is the reason I have re-invested in a full rewrite of ZPRO to
completely eliminate any need for SMAPI.  Our community objectives
should be to make our systems easier to implement and maintain.
Companies are not investing in the training as in the past, skills are
harder to acquire, and investing in systems where increased skills will
be required in the future is completely the wrong direction.  I've
always found SMAPI to require training and education beyond what most of
the installations out there want to invest. (How many systems
programmers do you know  have an extra week to pull out manuals and
figure all this stuff out???)   SMAPI is there to provide access from
outside world to run z/vm, and I've yet to find anybody using it that
thinks it has anything to do with making a system easier to implement or
maintain.



On 10/5/2015 8:00 AM, Shumate, Scott wrote:

I'm in the process of setting up DIRMAINT AND RACF to work together so we can 
exploit SMAPI.  I'm using redbook The Virtualization Cookbook for IBM z Systems
Volume 1: IBM z/VM 6.3 to configure it.  I'm on section 8.3.  When I run the 
command to add the server, I get the following error.


DVHREQ2288I Your ADD request for LXTEST2 at * has been accepted.
DVHPWU3376E Days can not exceed the current password expire value of 0
DVHPWU3376E for user LXTEST2.
DVHADD3212E Unexpected RC= 3376, from: EXEC DVHSTPWC ADD LXTEST2 CONFIG
DVHREQ2289E Your ADD request for LXTEST2 at * has failed; with RC =
DVHREQ2289E 3212.

What am I missing?  I did comment out PW_INTERVAL_FOR_GEN=   0 0 in my config99 
datadvh file but still get this error.

Thanks
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Re: LVM usage

2015-10-05 Thread Rick Troth
Summary:
Think about how and where (and by whom) the storage is to be managed.
What is the pattern? YES, I am beginning to see a pattern as we discuss it.


On 10/05/2015 11:23 AM, Sergey Korzhevsky wrote:
>  Could you tell me some details, because it is not obvious for what type
> of services you are actually using LVM? Is this Websphere, databases,
> Samba, log storage, custom application with a lot of data, anything else?

Oh my personal systems, I use LVM for all filesystems except the boot
volume.
Once the system is up, the boot volume is out of the picture.
(I maintain the kernel and related files by copying them from /boot to
wherever they physically reside. But that's just me.)

Last time I used LVM at work, it was primarily WAS, but also included
Tomcat and/or IHS (IBM's spin on Apache) and DB2 (UDB). Backing store in
that context was primarily SAN. Note what Robert Nix said about using
ECKD for the backing store: you can grow your volume groups (VGs) by
adding physical volumes (PVs).

As Scott just noted (overlapping email) SAN volumes tend to be much
larger, but even there it's common to add a PV to a VG as the needs grow
and the LVs grow.


> Stories about TSM and Samba are great, but this is one installation
> for the site and we are speaking in terms of z/VM, right?
> Maybe i need to ask additional query: do you use LVM no matter what?
> For example, if you need to create one linux (maybe a bunch of them)
>  with webserver (it is relatively small), will you use LVM anyway?

Can't say that I use LVM no matter what, but for my "big storage" it is
first choice. Always.

You mention web server as an example.
Common use of web servers today is to sit between your users and your
applications. For that, you don't need "big storage". So for a web
server, I'd let VM do your volume management, doling out minidisks to
such a guest. Little value in LVM there. (This is assuming you have VM
behind the server. For anything *not* virtual, go with LVM.)

But IF you have ANY concerns that your web servers will need more file
storage, go with LVM. It won't hurt. Even without hard numbers,
experience indicates that the insertion loss with LVM is no issue.

Three strikes in favor of LVM: big storage, a guest with storage growth
needs, anything not virtual.


> DASD now can be 27 and 54GB, which is plenty of space for normal
> application use (except DB). Is it not enough for your needs?
> Maybe you initially allocate as little space as possible (say 1GB) and
> then add later?
> Basically, what is the pattern? :)

It's not a question of adequacy or sufficiency. It's a question of
management.

I am seeing a pattern ... a need to differentiate how much you have
versus how you will manage it.

Am loving the conversation. I hope this helps.

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Re: LVM usage

2015-10-05 Thread Nix, Robert P.
We use LVM on EVERY server we build, for all of the disk, with the
exception of /boot, and ASM disks for Oracle. Everything else is beneath
LVM. Why? Because the users never estimate their space needs sufficiently,
so there is always a need to add. Because disk subsystems seldom last the
life of a system, so we are constantly being asked to move data to a new
subsystem, and with LVM, we can do this transparently and without an
outage to the user. Because other things grow over time, and while we
include some ³buffer² space, we also don¹t like our disk going unused, so
we run close to the actual size needed. Because the root filesystem
shouldn¹t be maxed out by a run-away user¹s home directory, /tmp file, or
/var file, and with LVM we can isolate these things, without having to
allocate multiple disks.

LVM lets you make little disks out of big ones, a.k.a z/VM minidisks, and
it also lets you make big disks out of little ones. It lets you stripe and
mirror without too much of a headache. It¹s a nice, useful, lightweight
management layer that takes some of the guesswork out of disk management,
and keeps it all within one tool.
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On 10/5/15, 10:23 AM, "Linux on 390 Port on behalf of Sergey Korzhevsky"
 wrote:

>Hi Rick,
>
> Could you tell me some details, because it is not obvious for what type
>of services you are actually using LVM? Is this Websphere, databases,
>Samba, log storage, custom application with a lot of data, anything else?
>
>Stories about TSM and Samba are great, but this is one installation for
>the site and we are speaking in terms of z/VM, right?
>Maybe i need to ask additional query: do you use LVM no matter what? For
>example, if you need to create one linux (maybe a bunch of them)  with
>webserver (it is relatively small), will you use LVM anyway?
>
>DASD now can be 27 and 54GB, which is plenty of space for normal
>application use (except DB). Is it not enough for your needs?
>Maybe you initially allocate as little space as possible (say 1GB) and
>then add later?
>Basically, what is the pattern? :)
>
>
>Thank all who will respond and already responded.
>
>WBR, Sergey
>
>
>
>
>Rick Troth 
>Sent by: Linux on 390 Port 
>05-10-15 17:18
>Please respond to Linux on 390 Port
>
>To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
>cc:
>Subject:Re: LVM usage
>
>
>Two great responses from Bob and Berry. Here's my LVM story too.
>
>
>On 10/05/2015 08:56 AM, Sergey Korzhevsky wrote:
>> Could you, please, explain me a real usage of the LVM
>> in the server environments with z/VM or whatever.
>
>I was introduced to LVM by colleagues.
>Since then, I have used it increasingly.
>It is the central facilitator for most of my storage needs.
>
>
>> Do you really need to "online" expand your "opt" or "home" directory
>> which is worth to have additional layer in disk access?
>
>Online resizing works very well.
>
>For me, there is no additional layer
>because I use LVM without partitioning.
>Where possible, I discard the partitioning "layer" in favor of LVM.
>In other words, where it can be done, I stamp the whole disk as a PV
>rather than stamping one or more partitions.
>
>Recent discussion exposes a bug in recent LVM utilities where there is
>some sad confusion between partitioned and unpartitioned physical
>volumes. Other than that, LVM is everything partitioning wanted to be if
>partitioning grew up.
>
>Hard numbers exposing the insertion loss from use of LVM would be great.
>Best practice recommends use of LVM for the administrative advantage.
>
>
>> Moreover,  databases already have such functionality
>> (tablespace/containers), so they don't need LVM.
>
>There are many places we see functional overlap. Not only databases, but
>also ...
>
> + EVMS combined multipath support with volume management, yet LVM won
>
> + newer filesystems combine volume management with the FS, and LVM is
>losing
>
>There is no one size fits all, so you'll want to dig-into the
>capabilities of LVM to answer your own needs. But LVM is an excellent
>solution with fewer layering violations than the overlaps mentioned
>here. (It fits the Unix rule of do one thing and do it well.)
>
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Re: SLES12 + EDEV + bug

2015-10-05 Thread Grzegorz Powiedziuk
> On Oct 3, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Grzegorz Powiedziuk  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> SUSE subscriptions are for a product line, not a particular version, unless 
>> that version is out of support.  So, if you have a valid subscription to any 
>> SUSE Linux Enterprise Server for System z, then you have a valid 
>> subscription for SLES12. Assuming the subscription was a "standard" or 
>> "priority" one, and not "basic" you're entitled to open support requests.  
>> Basic subscriptions come with support for installation, not subsequent 
>> problems.  But, if all you have is the trial version and nothing else, then 
>> yes, you're out of luck.  It will have to be pursued as an internally 
>> reported bug, which carries far lower priority. Unless someone else out 
>> there with a current standard or priority subscription runs into the same 
>> problem and reports it (hint), it could be slow going.
>> 
>> 
>> Mark Post
>> 
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> 
> done last night. After I figured exactly what is going on I've logged it and 
> reported it
> 
> Gregory Powiedziuk

Seems like it was acknowledged as a bug. I just got an email:

"I agree with you on allowing pvscan to scan non-partitioned devices for 
backwards compatibility.   I've opened Bug 948859  in your behalf.
Thanks for bringing it to our attention.”


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Re: LVM usage

2015-10-05 Thread Scott Rohling
My experience is that LVM is almost always used -- non-LVM is rarer on
zLinux.DASD sizes have grown which help limit some needs for using LVM
-- but the ability to be expanded dynamically is a pretty big sell point
when the goal is 'no outage required' for most shops..

One exception is probably FCP/SAN storage -- where LVM may be used less
often ...  Large enough spaces may be allocated on the SAN that combining
devices isn't necessary..   but I still see LVM used for expandability
purposes even on this storage...

Scott Rohling

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Sergey Korzhevsky 
wrote:

> Hi Rick,
>
>  Could you tell me some details, because it is not obvious for what type
> of services you are actually using LVM? Is this Websphere, databases,
> Samba, log storage, custom application with a lot of data, anything else?
>
> Stories about TSM and Samba are great, but this is one installation for
> the site and we are speaking in terms of z/VM, right?
> Maybe i need to ask additional query: do you use LVM no matter what? For
> example, if you need to create one linux (maybe a bunch of them)  with
> webserver (it is relatively small), will you use LVM anyway?
>
> DASD now can be 27 and 54GB, which is plenty of space for normal
> application use (except DB). Is it not enough for your needs?
> Maybe you initially allocate as little space as possible (say 1GB) and
> then add later?
> Basically, what is the pattern? :)
>
>
> Thank all who will respond and already responded.
>
> WBR, Sergey
>
>
>
>
> Rick Troth 
> Sent by: Linux on 390 Port 
> 05-10-15 17:18
> Please respond to Linux on 390 Port
>
> To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
> cc:
> Subject:Re: LVM usage
>
>
> Two great responses from Bob and Berry. Here's my LVM story too.
>
>
> On 10/05/2015 08:56 AM, Sergey Korzhevsky wrote:
> > Could you, please, explain me a real usage of the LVM
> > in the server environments with z/VM or whatever.
>
> I was introduced to LVM by colleagues.
> Since then, I have used it increasingly.
> It is the central facilitator for most of my storage needs.
>
>
> > Do you really need to "online" expand your "opt" or "home" directory
> > which is worth to have additional layer in disk access?
>
> Online resizing works very well.
>
> For me, there is no additional layer
> because I use LVM without partitioning.
> Where possible, I discard the partitioning "layer" in favor of LVM.
> In other words, where it can be done, I stamp the whole disk as a PV
> rather than stamping one or more partitions.
>
> Recent discussion exposes a bug in recent LVM utilities where there is
> some sad confusion between partitioned and unpartitioned physical
> volumes. Other than that, LVM is everything partitioning wanted to be if
> partitioning grew up.
>
> Hard numbers exposing the insertion loss from use of LVM would be great.
> Best practice recommends use of LVM for the administrative advantage.
>
>
> > Moreover,  databases already have such functionality
> > (tablespace/containers), so they don't need LVM.
>
> There are many places we see functional overlap. Not only databases, but
> also ...
>
>  + EVMS combined multipath support with volume management, yet LVM won
>
>  + newer filesystems combine volume management with the FS, and LVM is
> losing
>
> There is no one size fits all, so you'll want to dig-into the
> capabilities of LVM to answer your own needs. But LVM is an excellent
> solution with fewer layering violations than the overlaps mentioned
> here. (It fits the Unix rule of do one thing and do it well.)
>
> -- R; <><
>
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Re: LVM usage

2015-10-05 Thread Sergey Korzhevsky
Hi Rick,

 Could you tell me some details, because it is not obvious for what type
of services you are actually using LVM? Is this Websphere, databases,
Samba, log storage, custom application with a lot of data, anything else?

Stories about TSM and Samba are great, but this is one installation for
the site and we are speaking in terms of z/VM, right?
Maybe i need to ask additional query: do you use LVM no matter what? For
example, if you need to create one linux (maybe a bunch of them)  with
webserver (it is relatively small), will you use LVM anyway?

DASD now can be 27 and 54GB, which is plenty of space for normal
application use (except DB). Is it not enough for your needs?
Maybe you initially allocate as little space as possible (say 1GB) and
then add later?
Basically, what is the pattern? :)


Thank all who will respond and already responded.

WBR, Sergey




Rick Troth 
Sent by: Linux on 390 Port 
05-10-15 17:18
Please respond to Linux on 390 Port

To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
cc:
Subject:Re: LVM usage


Two great responses from Bob and Berry. Here's my LVM story too.


On 10/05/2015 08:56 AM, Sergey Korzhevsky wrote:
> Could you, please, explain me a real usage of the LVM
> in the server environments with z/VM or whatever.

I was introduced to LVM by colleagues.
Since then, I have used it increasingly.
It is the central facilitator for most of my storage needs.


> Do you really need to "online" expand your "opt" or "home" directory
> which is worth to have additional layer in disk access?

Online resizing works very well.

For me, there is no additional layer
because I use LVM without partitioning.
Where possible, I discard the partitioning "layer" in favor of LVM.
In other words, where it can be done, I stamp the whole disk as a PV
rather than stamping one or more partitions.

Recent discussion exposes a bug in recent LVM utilities where there is
some sad confusion between partitioned and unpartitioned physical
volumes. Other than that, LVM is everything partitioning wanted to be if
partitioning grew up.

Hard numbers exposing the insertion loss from use of LVM would be great.
Best practice recommends use of LVM for the administrative advantage.


> Moreover,  databases already have such functionality
> (tablespace/containers), so they don't need LVM.

There are many places we see functional overlap. Not only databases, but
also ...

 + EVMS combined multipath support with volume management, yet LVM won

 + newer filesystems combine volume management with the FS, and LVM is
losing

There is no one size fits all, so you'll want to dig-into the
capabilities of LVM to answer your own needs. But LVM is an excellent
solution with fewer layering violations than the overlaps mentioned
here. (It fits the Unix rule of do one thing and do it well.)

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zKVM installation problem

2015-10-05 Thread Ray Mansell

I'm trying to install zKVM in a virtual machine, but no matter what
installation options I choose, I always get the following error:

2015-10-03 14:39:40,900 - controller.controller - INFO - InstallProgress
screen
2015-10-03 14:39:40,901 - controller.controller - INFO - Formatting disks...
2015-10-03 14:39:40,901 - controller.controller - INFO - Installing KVM
for IBM z into disk dasda...
2015-10-03 14:39:41,041 - model.installfunctions - INFO - Get repodata_file
2015-10-03 14:39:41,088 - model.installfunctions - CRITICAL - Failed
installSystem
2015-10-03 14:39:41,089 - model.installfunctions - CRITICAL -
EXCEPTION:
2015-10-03 14:39:41,089 - model.installfunctions - CRITICAL - local
variable 's' referenced before assignment
2015-10-03 14:39:41,089 - model.installfunctions - CRITICAL -
Stacktrace:Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/opt/ibm/kvmibm-installer/model/installfunctions.py", line 357,
in installSystem
installPackages(rootDir, callback)
  File "/opt/ibm/kvmibm-installer/model/installfunctions.py", line 749,
in installPackages
repodata_file = getRepodataFile(repo, logger)
  File "/opt/ibm/kvmibm-installer/model/installfunctions.py", line 548,
in getRepodataFile
d = re.split('([\d\w]+-primary.sqlite.bz2)', s)
UnboundLocalError: local variable 's' referenced before assignment

2015-10-03 14:39:41,095 - controller.controller - CRITICAL - ZKVMError:
[['KVMIBMIN70500', 'Error while installing packages.'], ('INSTALLER',
'INSTALLSYSTEM', 'INSTALL_MSG')]

Help? Please?

Ray...

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DIRM problem

2015-10-05 Thread Shumate, Scott
I'm in the process of setting up DIRMAINT AND RACF to work together so we can 
exploit SMAPI.  I'm using redbook The Virtualization Cookbook for IBM z Systems
Volume 1: IBM z/VM 6.3 to configure it.  I'm on section 8.3.  When I run the 
command to add the server, I get the following error.


DVHREQ2288I Your ADD request for LXTEST2 at * has been accepted.
DVHPWU3376E Days can not exceed the current password expire value of 0
DVHPWU3376E for user LXTEST2.
DVHADD3212E Unexpected RC= 3376, from: EXEC DVHSTPWC ADD LXTEST2 CONFIG
DVHREQ2289E Your ADD request for LXTEST2 at * has failed; with RC =
DVHREQ2289E 3212.

What am I missing?  I did comment out PW_INTERVAL_FOR_GEN=   0 0 in my config99 
datadvh file but still get this error.

Thanks
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Re: LVM usage

2015-10-05 Thread Rick Troth
Two great responses from Bob and Berry. Here's my LVM story too.


On 10/05/2015 08:56 AM, Sergey Korzhevsky wrote:
> Could you, please, explain me a real usage of the LVM
> in the server environments with z/VM or whatever.

I was introduced to LVM by colleagues.
Since then, I have used it increasingly.
It is the central facilitator for most of my storage needs.


> Do you really need to "online" expand your "opt" or "home" directory
> which is worth to have additional layer in disk access?

Online resizing works very well.

For me, there is no additional layer
because I use LVM without partitioning.
Where possible, I discard the partitioning "layer" in favor of LVM.
In other words, where it can be done, I stamp the whole disk as a PV
rather than stamping one or more partitions.

Recent discussion exposes a bug in recent LVM utilities where there is
some sad confusion between partitioned and unpartitioned physical
volumes. Other than that, LVM is everything partitioning wanted to be if
partitioning grew up.

Hard numbers exposing the insertion loss from use of LVM would be great.
Best practice recommends use of LVM for the administrative advantage.


> Moreover,  databases already have such functionality
> (tablespace/containers), so they don't need LVM.

There are many places we see functional overlap. Not only databases, but
also ...

 + EVMS combined multipath support with volume management, yet LVM won

 + newer filesystems combine volume management with the FS, and LVM is
losing

There is no one size fits all, so you'll want to dig-into the
capabilities of LVM to answer your own needs. But LVM is an excellent
solution with fewer layering violations than the overlaps mentioned
here. (It fits the Unix rule of do one thing and do it well.)

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Re: LVM usage

2015-10-05 Thread van Sleeuwen, Berry
Hi Sergey,

Our Samba server has a 180G filesystem on Model 9 DASD. It's obviously an LVM 
just to get to that size. Our TSM server has a 3.2TB staging filesystem, this 
guest has 72 model 54 disks to build the LVM filesystem.

Striping within LVM can spread IO onto multiple disks.

Databases might indeed have the possibility to group disks but most 
applications don't have that option. DASD volumes are usually not large enough 
to hold the data. Especially model 3 and model 9 are too small by itself most 
of the time.

While databases might have similar features to group disks into larger 
tablespaces and/or to spread IO, implementation (and therefore advantages) 
depend on the database in question. Some implementations might disregard the 
s390 features and result in poor performance and/or increased costs.

Met vriendelijke groet/With kind regards/Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Berry van Sleeuwen

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Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 2:56 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: LVM usage

Hi All,

Could you, please, explain me a real usage of the LVM in the server 
environments with z/VM or whatever.
Do you really need to "online" expand your "opt" or "home" directory which is 
worth to have additional layer in disk access?
Moreover,  databases already have such functionality (tablespace/containers), 
so they don't need LVM.

Thank you.



WBR, Sergey

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Re: LVM usage

2015-10-05 Thread Nix, Robert P.
Do you really need it? Yes! We use it all the time to do just that, and
did especially on zLinux, because the physical DASD devices were fixed in
size, and relatively small. We also did it because it allowed us to
non-disruptively move between DASD, using the pvmove command. This allowed
us to remain up through several major disk subsystem replacements, both on
the zSeries boxes and on Intel based Linux servers. Anything that avoids
downtime for my users, and masks infrastructure changes from them is a
³Good Thing (tm)².
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On 10/5/15, 7:56 AM, "Linux on 390 Port on behalf of Sergey Korzhevsky"
 wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>Could you, please, explain me a real usage of the LVM in the server
>environments with z/VM or whatever.
>Do you really need to "online" expand your "opt" or "home" directory which
>is worth to have additional layer in disk access?
>Moreover,  databases already have such functionality
>(tablespace/containers), so they don't need LVM.
>
>Thank you.
>
>
>
>WBR, Sergey
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LVM usage

2015-10-05 Thread Sergey Korzhevsky
Hi All,

Could you, please, explain me a real usage of the LVM in the server
environments with z/VM or whatever.
Do you really need to "online" expand your "opt" or "home" directory which
is worth to have additional layer in disk access?
Moreover,  databases already have such functionality
(tablespace/containers), so they don't need LVM.

Thank you.



WBR, Sergey

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Re: zKVM on zpdt

2015-10-05 Thread Carsten Otte

Tito,

I think you ran into a Linux dasd device driver problem. The issue is, that
the awsckd emulator does not support (and does not advertiese) the prefix
command. This is perfectly fine for a 3390 device, however Linux does issue
this command on 3390. The issue has been reported and is fixed in upstream
Linux. I think the bugfix needs to be backported to your level of code.
As a workaround, you can bring up another linux that is either old enough
for not having the bug or new enough to have the fix, and do dasdfmt on
your dasd. Using the dasd (partitioning, creating and mounting filesystems)
works flawless from your kernel as far as I can tell.

so long,
Carsten
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From:   Tito Garrido 
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Date:   02/10/2015 18:30
Subject:Re: zKVM on zpdt
Sent by:Linux on 390 Port 



FYI: To make it work I had to format the dasds on an older Linux like
RHEL6.

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Tito Garrido 
wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
>   I have already asked this question on z1090 mail list but it may be
> interesting for other people here that would like to try zKVM and also
you
> may know the answer :)
>
>
> I am trying to install zKVM on zpdt but it is not able to run dasdfmt
> during the installation:
>
>
> 2015-10-02 02:13:15,704 - program - INFO - Running... /sbin/dasdfmt -y -d
> cdl -b 4096 /dev/dasda
> 2015-10-02 02:13:15,734 - program - INFO - /sbin/dasdfmt: (invalidate
> first track) IOCTL BIODASDFMT failed. (Input/output error)
>
> Any clue?
>
> I have already tried to run CPFMTXA on a z/VM instance and run the
> installation again but no success...
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Tito
>
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