Re: Counties running Linux on a z-Series/System z?
Afternoon, We are looking at bringing in a z9 BC to replace our existing 9672, with the possibility of also running Linux on the z9. However, my CIO is concerned with the types of applications, number of IFLs required, other county governments doing this, etc., that can be run on the z9. Are there any county governments running Linux on a z-Series or z9? If so, would you be kind enough to share the types of applications, number of IFL's, data bases, or any other information that might be of interest to my CIO. TIA, Dave Dave Stuart Prin. Info. Systems Support Analyst County of Ventura, CA 805-662-6731 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Dave, at the SHARE User Event last week in San Diego I attended session 9231 Building a strong z/VM and Linux on the mainframe architecture was given. There the Linux on the mainframe at Centre des services partages Quebec was shown. I found a softcopy of the presentation here: http://blog.coleo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/share_session_9231.pdf Hope it includes what you are looking for. Regards Mario Mario Held Linux Performance - Linux on System z IBM Boeblingen Lab, Germany -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Counties running Linux on a z-Series/System z?
Thanks Mario, I'll take a look at the presentation. Dave Dave Stuart Prin. Info. Systems Support Analyst County of Ventura, CA 805-662-6731 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mario Held [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/22/2007 10:07 AM Afternoon, We are looking at bringing in a z9 BC to replace our existing 9672, with the possibility of also running Linux on the z9. However, my CIO is concerned with the types of applications, number of IFLs required, other county governments doing this, etc., that can be run on the z9. Are there any county governments running Linux on a z-Series or z9? If so, would you be kind enough to share the types of applications, number of IFL's, data bases, or any other information that might be of interest to my CIO. TIA, Dave Dave Stuart Prin. Info. Systems Support Analyst County of Ventura, CA 805-662-6731 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Dave, at the SHARE User Event last week in San Diego I attended session 9231 Building a strong z/VM and Linux on the mainframe architecture was given. There the Linux on the mainframe at Centre des services partages Quebec was shown. I found a softcopy of the presentation here: http://blog.coleo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/share_session_9231.pdf Hope it includes what you are looking for. Regards Mario Mario Held Linux Performance - Linux on System z IBM Boeblingen Lab, Germany -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Counties running Linux on a z-Series/System z?
Hi - I'm one of the authors of said presentation, and have presented it in one format or another a bunch of times. Let me know if you have any questions or need any additional information. Glad to elaborate. David -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port on behalf of David Stuart Sent: Wed 8/22/2007 3:52 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Counties running Linux on a z-Series/System z? Thanks Mario, I'll take a look at the presentation. Dave Dave Stuart Prin. Info. Systems Support Analyst County of Ventura, CA 805-662-6731 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mario Held [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/22/2007 10:07 AM Afternoon, We are looking at bringing in a z9 BC to replace our existing 9672, with the possibility of also running Linux on the z9. However, my CIO is concerned with the types of applications, number of IFLs required, other county governments doing this, etc., that can be run on the z9. Are there any county governments running Linux on a z-Series or z9? If so, would you be kind enough to share the types of applications, number of IFL's, data bases, or any other information that might be of interest to my CIO. TIA, Dave Dave Stuart Prin. Info. Systems Support Analyst County of Ventura, CA 805-662-6731 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Dave, at the SHARE User Event last week in San Diego I attended session 9231 Building a strong z/VM and Linux on the mainframe architecture was given. There the Linux on the mainframe at Centre des services partages Quebec was shown. I found a softcopy of the presentation here: http://blog.coleo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/share_session_9231.pdf Hope it includes what you are looking for. Regards Mario Mario Held Linux Performance - Linux on System z IBM Boeblingen Lab, Germany -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Counties running Linux on a z-Series/System z?
It passed spell check ! G I knew it wasn't succeeded, but I couldn't get spell check to give my any other word that looked like a word that I don't normally use (round about logic). seceded does, indeed, look like a word that I don't normally use...it must be it! Thanks Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting Phil Smith III [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/15/2007 11:50 PM Succeeded at what? I think you meant seceded ;-) ...phsiii -Original Message- Date:Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:43:39 -0500 From:Tom Duerbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Counties running Linux on a z-Series/System z? Long story. The City of St. Louis succeeded from St. Louis County back in the late 1880's. So the City of St. Louis is also the County of the City of St. Louis (not to be confused with St. Louis County). -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Counties running Linux on a z-Series/System z?
-Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of Phil Smith III -Original Message- Date:Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:43:39 -0500 From:Tom Duerbusch Long story. The City of St. Louis succeeded from St. Louis County back in the late 1880's. So the City of St. Louis is also the County of the City of St. Louis (not to be confused with St. Louis County). Succeeded at what? I think you meant seceded ;-) While the context suggests that seceded was intended, it is also possible that the City of St. Louis succeeded from (became the successor of the original) St. Louis County. :-) -jc- -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Counties running Linux on a z-Series/System z?
I think that both of you were successful (or is that secessful?) in explaining that g. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chase, John Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 9:36 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Counties running Linux on a z-Series/System z? -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of Phil Smith III -Original Message- Date:Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:43:39 -0500 From:Tom Duerbusch Long story. The City of St. Louis succeeded from St. Louis County back in the late 1880's. So the City of St. Louis is also the County of the City of St. Louis (not to be confused with St. Louis County). Succeeded at what? I think you meant seceded ;-) While the context suggests that seceded was intended, it is also possible that the City of St. Louis succeeded from (became the successor of the original) St. Louis County. :-) -jc- -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Counties running Linux on a z-Series/System z?
We are a state entity and we have an 890 w/1 IFL. we run WAS,Db2,and a custom DB. Mace --- David Stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Afternoon, We are looking at bringing in a z9 BC to replace our existing 9672, with the possibility of also running Linux on the z9. However, my CIO is concerned with the types of applications, number of IFLs required, other county governments doing this, etc., that can be run on the z9. Are there any county governments running Linux on a z-Series or z9? If so, would you be kind enough to share the types of applications, number of IFL's, data bases, or any other information that might be of interest to my CIO. TIA, Dave Dave Stuart Prin. Info. Systems Support Analyst County of Ventura, CA 805-662-6731 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Counties running Linux on a z-Series/System z?
We are a federal, not state, agency. We are running 990s but going to Z9s in the next couple of months. We will be running under VM and running 2 IFLs (I believe - although subject to change). The Linux code will be handling XML input from the states and translating the messages back to our normal message formats to then go into the normal system (kinda like an XML front end). No DB2, no WAS. This is custom code for here only. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LJ Mace Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:58 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Counties running Linux on a z-Series/System z? We are a state entity and we have an 890 w/1 IFL. we run WAS,Db2,and a custom DB. Mace --- David Stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Afternoon, We are looking at bringing in a z9 BC to replace our existing 9672, with the possibility of also running Linux on the z9. However, my CIO is concerned with the types of applications, number of IFLs required, other county governments doing this, etc., that can be run on the z9. Are there any county governments running Linux on a z-Series or z9? If so, would you be kind enough to share the types of applications, number of IFL's, data bases, or any other information that might be of interest to my CIO. TIA, Dave Dave Stuart Prin. Info. Systems Support Analyst County of Ventura, CA 805-662-6731 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Counties running Linux on a z-Series/System z?
Thanks Kevin. Dave Dave Stuart Prin. Info. Systems Support Analyst County of Ventura, CA 805-662-6731 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/15/2007 4:01 AM We are a federal, not state, agency. We are running 990s but going to Z9s in the next couple of months. We will be running under VM and running 2 IFLs (I believe - although subject to change). The Linux code will be handling XML input from the states and translating the messages back to our normal message formats to then go into the normal system (kinda like an XML front end). No DB2, no WAS. This is custom code for here only. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LJ Mace Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:58 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Counties running Linux on a z-Series/System z? We are a state entity and we have an 890 w/1 IFL. we run WAS,Db2,and a custom DB. Mace --- David Stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Afternoon, We are looking at bringing in a z9 BC to replace our existing 9672, with the possibility of also running Linux on the z9. However, my CIO is concerned with the types of applications, number of IFLs required, other county governments doing this, etc., that can be run on the z9. Are there any county governments running Linux on a z-Series or z9? If so, would you be kind enough to share the types of applications, number of IFL's, data bases, or any other information that might be of interest to my CIO. TIA, Dave Dave Stuart Prin. Info. Systems Support Analyst County of Ventura, CA 805-662-6731 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Counties running Linux on a z-Series/System z?
Long story. The City of St. Louis succeeded from St. Louis County back in the late 1880's. So the City of St. Louis is also the County of the City of St. Louis (not to be confused with St. Louis County). As such City Hall contains the Mayor of the City plus 9 County Officers (some elected, some appointed by the State of Missouri). So there are 10 chiefs and no single person in charge. I.S. (A City department) is suppose to cover the City, and any needs the County offices has (if they are willing to kick in some bucks). The CIO, sees great need and great promise of server consolidation. Just no money. Trying to get the county offices onboard, slows up when the offices need to kick in some cash, until they understand the cost savings. In the last hardware upgrade we bought an IBM z/890 130 with an IFL and went from 400 GB dasd to 4 TB dasd. That all happened two years ago. We still are not in production with much on the IFL side. Lots of proof of concepts, and some development. What we have and have tried are: Oracle 10g(s): Will go into production. Many departmental databases will be migrated there. DB2/UDB(s): Will go into production. The DB2/VSE engine will be moved here. Some other departmental databases will also be migrated here. SAMBA Server(s): Minor use in production. Replacement for LANRES/VSE Disk Host function. FTP Server(s): Minor use in production. Replacement for LANRES/VSE Distribution function. Also used for the install server for zLinux. NFS Server(s): File server for Linux applications. VSE VTAPE Server(s): GPG Server(s): VSE files are sent here to be encrypted prior to be sent out on the public Internet. Apache Web Server(s): If mainframe data is being served, it will be served by a mainframe web server, over hipersockets. Future (within 12 months) Websphere/HATS: We will be testing it as a front end to webafry our home grown applications (also z/WebHost on the VSE side will be tested) Websphere/HOD: Host on Demand. This is a purchased part of our GEAC accounting system called active client. It webafry the accounting system. Keymanager for 3592 encryption tapes: When we get the tape drives purchased. SSLServer: For TN3270 sessions. PDF Server: There is talk about taking certain mainframe reports (W2, 1099, tax bills) and storing them in PDF format, so the end users can reprint a single page when needed. Right now, between test, development, proof of concept and my testing servers, we have 50 (Linux50 is my first attempt at SLES10) servers created with about 2 dozen running. My push is that if it can run on Linux, and there is a z distribution for it, try it on the mainframe. Zero initial cost (everything is already bought), I'll give you a server in a couple hours (instead of a couple months to buy one) and if the application goes into production, we can make a decision on if it should stay on the mainframe, or offloaded to another box. I expect most stuff to stay. Current IFL CPU utilization over 1st shift, about 15%. Like I said, very few users. Last week, our UPS failed and shutdown power to the entire machine room. Funny, the IBM z/890 kept running. It took 10 minutes of futile frustration as no I/O devices were available. However, even though the IBM DS6800 drives spun down, the controller and cache stayed up and recorded the attempts at error recovery from the z/890. Eventually, I shutdown the mainframe (didn't need to) as we switch from the UPS to the electric company. We would have stayed up. No UPS, no electric power. At least long enough to bring back power. How is that for uptime? Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting (sometimes I wonder, What am I doing here?) David Stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/14/2007 6:12 PM Afternoon, We are looking at bringing in a z9 BC to replace our existing 9672, with the possibility of also running Linux on the z9. However, my CIO is concerned with the types of applications, number of IFLs required, other county governments doing this, etc., that can be run on the z9. Are there any county governments running Linux on a z-Series or z9? If so, would you be kind enough to share the types of applications, number of IFL's, data bases, or any other information that might be of interest to my CIO. TIA, Dave Dave Stuart Prin. Info. Systems Support Analyst County of Ventura, CA 805-662-6731 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Counties running Linux on a z-Series/System z?
Hi Tom, Thanks for all the information. I really do appreciate it. Yeah, I understand about power outages. We had one here a couple years ago. One UPS failed out right (37 dead cells), and the second one failed due to human error (Don't touch that switch!. You mean this switch?.). My 9672 and Disk Arrays stayed up just fine (internal batteries). I did lose Tape and Console controllers. 3 Test/Dev Systems stayed up, and once the Console Controllers were back they reconnected just fine. Production would have stayed up, if the Operator hadn't followed IBM Remote Support's directions to try and IPL to determine why the Console wasn't responding (remember those dead controllers?). Thanks, Dave Dave Stuart Prin. Info. Systems Support Analyst County of Ventura, CA 805-662-6731 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom Duerbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/15/2007 11:43 AM Long story. The City of St. Louis succeeded from St. Louis County back in the late 1880's. So the City of St. Louis is also the County of the City of St. Louis (not to be confused with St. Louis County). As such City Hall contains the Mayor of the City plus 9 County Officers (some elected, some appointed by the State of Missouri). So there are 10 chiefs and no single person in charge. I.S. (A City department) is suppose to cover the City, and any needs the County offices has (if they are willing to kick in some bucks). The CIO, sees great need and great promise of server consolidation. Just no money. Trying to get the county offices onboard, slows up when the offices need to kick in some cash, until they understand the cost savings. In the last hardware upgrade we bought an IBM z/890 130 with an IFL and went from 400 GB dasd to 4 TB dasd. That all happened two years ago. We still are not in production with much on the IFL side. Lots of proof of concepts, and some development. What we have and have tried are: Oracle 10g(s): Will go into production. Many departmental databases will be migrated there. DB2/UDB(s): Will go into production. The DB2/VSE engine will be moved here. Some other departmental databases will also be migrated here. SAMBA Server(s): Minor use in production. Replacement for LANRES/VSE Disk Host function. FTP Server(s): Minor use in production. Replacement for LANRES/VSE Distribution function. Also used for the install server for zLinux. NFS Server(s): File server for Linux applications. VSE VTAPE Server(s): GPG Server(s): VSE files are sent here to be encrypted prior to be sent out on the public Internet. Apache Web Server(s): If mainframe data is being served, it will be served by a mainframe web server, over hipersockets. Future (within 12 months) Websphere/HATS: We will be testing it as a front end to webafry our home grown applications (also z/WebHost on the VSE side will be tested) Websphere/HOD: Host on Demand. This is a purchased part of our GEAC accounting system called active client. It webafry the accounting system. Keymanager for 3592 encryption tapes: When we get the tape drives purchased. SSLServer: For TN3270 sessions. PDF Server: There is talk about taking certain mainframe reports (W2, 1099, tax bills) and storing them in PDF format, so the end users can reprint a single page when needed. Right now, between test, development, proof of concept and my testing servers, we have 50 (Linux50 is my first attempt at SLES10) servers created with about 2 dozen running. My push is that if it can run on Linux, and there is a z distribution for it, try it on the mainframe. Zero initial cost (everything is already bought), I'll give you a server in a couple hours (instead of a couple months to buy one) and if the application goes into production, we can make a decision on if it should stay on the mainframe, or offloaded to another box. I expect most stuff to stay. Current IFL CPU utilization over 1st shift, about 15%. Like I said, very few users. Last week, our UPS failed and shutdown power to the entire machine room. Funny, the IBM z/890 kept running. It took 10 minutes of futile frustration as no I/O devices were available. However, even though the IBM DS6800 drives spun down, the controller and cache stayed up and recorded the attempts at error recovery from the z/890. Eventually, I shutdown the mainframe (didn't need to) as we switch from the UPS to the electric company. We would have stayed up. No UPS, no electric power. At least long enough to bring back power. How is that for uptime? Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting (sometimes I wonder, What am I doing here?) David Stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/14/2007 6:12 PM Afternoon, We are looking at bringing in a z9 BC to replace our existing 9672, with the possibility of also running Linux on the z9. However, my CIO is concerned with the types of applications, number of IFLs required, other county governments doing this, etc., that can be run on the z9. Are there any county
Re: Counties running Linux on a z-Series/System z?
Succeeded at what? I think you meant seceded ;-) ...phsiii -Original Message- Date:Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:43:39 -0500 From:Tom Duerbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Counties running Linux on a z-Series/System z? Long story. The City of St. Louis succeeded from St. Louis County back in the late 1880's. So the City of St. Louis is also the County of the City of St. Louis (not to be confused with St. Louis County). -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Counties running Linux on a z-Series/System z?
Afternoon, We are looking at bringing in a z9 BC to replace our existing 9672, with the possibility of also running Linux on the z9. However, my CIO is concerned with the types of applications, number of IFLs required, other county governments doing this, etc., that can be run on the z9. Are there any county governments running Linux on a z-Series or z9? If so, would you be kind enough to share the types of applications, number of IFL's, data bases, or any other information that might be of interest to my CIO. TIA, Dave Dave Stuart Prin. Info. Systems Support Analyst County of Ventura, CA 805-662-6731 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
