Re: Idea: Using SCRT to report on Linux usage; maybe a way to reduce the entry level cost for Linux on Z?
David Boyes wrote: >My main concern with the tool Tim mentioned is how closely >is it tied to the whole BigFix tool ecosystem? SCRT doesn't >seem to require any external dependency stuff to work >(other than a working Java interpreter), and a quick look >at the docs appear to show that the other tool seems to >bring in a whole bunch of other dependencies, some of which >are priced. Is that the case? ILMT is still zero charge, including the BigFix components that now come with it. See here for reference: http://www.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21993303#A2 If (and only if) you're going to use BigFix for other purposes, beyond what the components provided with ILMT are doing to support ILMT, then you'd have to license BigFix. As a general matter, IBM has indeed reduced the cost of entry to use Z and LinuxONE. Here are some examples: * The IBM Cloud's HyperSecure Database as a Service (DBaaS) offerings run on IBM LinuxONE machines. See here for an introduction: https://www.ibm.com/blogs/systems/hypersecure-dbaas-evolution-cloud-databases/ * The IBM Cloud's Blockchain Platform also runs on IBM LinuxONE machines. Details here: https://www.ibm.com/blockchain/platform/ * The IBM LinuxONE Community Cloud offers Linux virtual machines on real IBM LinuxONE machines for up to 120 days at no charge: https://developer.ibm.com/linuxone * The LinuxONE Rockhopper II, introduced last week, has further improved "on premises" and Cloud Service Provider (CSP) platform economics. In most countries, LinuxONE systems and software are now available via cloud-like pay-as-you-use pricing, even though they are "on premises" machines. That characteristic is at least uncommon among servers. Timothy Sipples IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM Z & LinuxONE, Multi-Geography E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: Idea: Using SCRT to report on Linux usage; maybe a way to reduce the entry level cost for Linux on Z?
On 4/13/18, 3:22 PM, "Linux on 390 Port on behalf of Gibney, Dave" wrote: > I FIND THIS DISCUSSION TROUBLING. It will not likely ever affect me of my > installation, has we haven't (and unfortunately are not likely to) used > zLinux and Z/VM. The idea spawned from a lunchtime discussion about how to reduce the entry cost sticker shock for Linux on Z; the PHBs have been conditioned to think that Linux = minimal/zero cost, and when they see the price tag for $X thousand for a Linux distribution plus the cost of z/VM plus the cost of the hardware, it turns them off the platform (Quote: "if that's going to cost us > $50K to try to do the same thing that we can already do with a spare PC we're buying anyway for other purposes for nothing, why would we want to do that?" Wrong, but it passes as rational thinking in PHBworld). If you can spin the discussion as "start small, grow quickly without having to do purchase orders every 5 minutes" and/or "pay only for what you use while still getting the QoS and support you expect from the mainframe", they seem to like that framing more. From there it was a "how do we do this with the minimum amount of work, preferably none, by reusing something that already exists in a creative way" idea. > But, is the z/OS MIPS/MSU pricing model (IMO, one of the major drags on the > platform) really being extended into this arena. I agree it's not ideal, but it's one that most people with Z hardware already understand and that we don't have to argue about having different tools to look at usage for different OSes. It also has the advantage of neatly integrating with how IBM already thinks about some kinds of pricing, which makes it easier to sell to 3rd party vendors as "use something that already exists instead of inventing yet another unique weird gadget to do this". It also has the advantage of the whole picture in one place rather than chasing it down all over the place. My main concern with the tool Tim mentioned is how closely is it tied to the whole BigFix tool ecosystem? SCRT doesn't seem to require any external dependency stuff to work (other than a working Java interpreter), and a quick look at the docs appear to show that the other tool seems to bring in a whole bunch of other dependencies, some of which are priced. Is that the case? Sounds like general consensus is that it's not a great idea. It's worth having the discussion, though. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: Idea: Using SCRT to report on Linux usage; maybe a way to reduce the entry level cost for Linux on Z?
Dave Gibney wrote: >But, is the z/OS MIPS/MSU pricing model (IMO, one of the >major drags on the platform) really being extended into >this arena. SCRT facilitates sub-capacity licensing of z/OS, z/VSE, and software products for those operating systems such as CICS and WebSphere Application Server. Before SCRT you were generally required to license your whole machine at full capacity for all products. That's still an option if you prefer it; simply skip SCRT. Variable Workload License Charges (VWLC) for z/OS and related products were introduced about 18 years ago. IBM License Metric Tool (ILMT) facilitates sub-capacity licensing of software products on Linux (including Linux on Z and LinuxONE), Windows, AIX, and some other operating systems. The details are slightly different, in particular SCRT has some finer granularity (a good thing), but the broad concepts are similar. Likewise, there's no *requirement* to use ILMT. If you don't use ILMT, then you must license the full capacity of the machine (s) where you run the IBM software products. ILMT was introduced many years ago but well after the first SCRT release. Timothy Sipples IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM Z & LinuxONE, Multi-Geography E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: Idea: Using SCRT to report on Linux usage; maybe a way to reduce the entry level cost for Linux on Z?
I FIND THIS DISCUSSION TROUBLING. It will not likely ever affect me of my installation, has we haven't (and unfortunately are not likely to) used zLinux and Z/VM. But, is the z/OS MIPS/MSU pricing model (IMO, one of the major drags on the platform) really being extended into this arena. > -Original Message- > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of > David Boyes > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 11:07 AM > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: Idea: Using SCRT to report on Linux usage; maybe a way to reduce > the entry level cost for Linux on Z? > > Given that IBM is now allowing 3rd party vendors to use the SCRT processing > infrastructure to collect usage data, the thought occurred to me: could this > be used to do usage-based pricing for Linux and Linux-based applications? > Some mapping of Linux features/functions to SMF type 70 and 89 records > would have to be done, and the various distributors would need to register > application types, but all the other infrastructure is there and the usage > data > reporting piece already exists for Linux (it's a Java app). > > > > The idea here is that if the distributors could get accurate usage data, they > could offer usage-based pricing, which would lower the entry level for > getting started with Linux on Z and avoid some of the sticker shock. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 > or visit > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http- > 3A__www.marist.edu_htbin_wlvindex-3FLINUX- > 2D390&d=DwIGaQ&c=C3yme8gMkxg_ihJNXS06ZyWk4EJm8LdrrvxQb- > Je7sw&r=u9g8rUevBoyCPAdo5sWE9w&m=SR7LQpnyDBjYGjTye0BPguO45lA > V8a33Cvq2BCEgJF8&s=26_h4XZw2Jz5zF5YAXnL9oWnZZW8QGjW_g5REqzZIV > w&e= > > -- > > For more information on Linux on System z, visit > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http- > 3A__wiki.linuxvm.org_&d=DwIGaQ&c=C3yme8gMkxg_ihJNXS06ZyWk4EJm8L > drrvxQb- > Je7sw&r=u9g8rUevBoyCPAdo5sWE9w&m=SR7LQpnyDBjYGjTye0BPguO45lA > V8a33Cvq2BCEgJF8&s=cnNnWeCd2jXKq-6r8v6xIfG5Bwkml- > gQWCEpt3TnTzM&e= -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: Idea: Using SCRT to report on Linux usage; maybe a way to reduce the entry level cost for Linux on Z?
I run SCRT on my z/VSE Systems, and have been for a couple years, or so, now. So, no, SCRT isn't just for z/OS. Dave Dave Stuart Principal Info. Systems Support Analyst County of Ventura 805-662-6731 david.stu...@ventura.org -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of barton Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 10:43 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Idea: Using SCRT to report on Linux usage; maybe a way to reduce the entry level cost for Linux on Z? Isn't the ibm tool just for z/os and at the LPAR level? nothing to do with what goes on inside z/vm. nothing to do with what goes on inside linux for specific licensing. I've been asked to provide such information by another vendor, and that function will be released shortly. This allows the 4 hour rolling average for linux servers (x or z), pools of linux servers, groups of linux servers, and can be done for applications inside linux as well. It can also be used for VSE if anyone cares. So I've led the horse to water. On 4/12/2018 6:55 PM, Timothy Sipples wrote: > IBM already has a sub-capacity accounting tool for Linux on Z and LinuxONE: > the IBM License Metric Tool (ILMT). ILMT is already facilitating > sub-capacity licensing of IBM software products on Linux on Z and LinuxONE. > Details here: > > https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/wikis/home?lang=en#!/wiki > /IBM%20License%20Metric%20Tool > > ILMT is also available for (and common on) Windows, AIX, Linux on X86, etc. > And it's a no charge, supported tool. > > I don't know if IMLT allows non-IBM software accounting, but that > seems like a great idea to me if it's not already available. Try here > if you want/need to lodge a Request for Enhancement (RFE): > > https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rfe/?BRAND_ID=301 > > Be sure to look for preexisting ILMT RFEs that might be similar before > opening a new one. > > IBM also already has sub-capacity licensing for z/VM, also via ILMT. > Details here: > > https://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/7/897/ENUS217-267/ENUS217-267.PD > F > > -- > -- > Timothy Sipples > IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM Z & LinuxONE, > Multi-Geography > E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > -- > For more information on Linux on System z, visit > http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ > > -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: Idea: Using SCRT to report on Linux usage; maybe a way to reduce the entry level cost for Linux on Z?
Isn't the ibm tool just for z/os and at the LPAR level? nothing to do with what goes on inside z/vm. nothing to do with what goes on inside linux for specific licensing. I've been asked to provide such information by another vendor, and that function will be released shortly. This allows the 4 hour rolling average for linux servers (x or z), pools of linux servers, groups of linux servers, and can be done for applications inside linux as well. It can also be used for VSE if anyone cares. So I've led the horse to water. On 4/12/2018 6:55 PM, Timothy Sipples wrote: IBM already has a sub-capacity accounting tool for Linux on Z and LinuxONE: the IBM License Metric Tool (ILMT). ILMT is already facilitating sub-capacity licensing of IBM software products on Linux on Z and LinuxONE. Details here: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/wikis/home?lang=en#!/wiki/IBM%20License%20Metric%20Tool ILMT is also available for (and common on) Windows, AIX, Linux on X86, etc. And it's a no charge, supported tool. I don't know if IMLT allows non-IBM software accounting, but that seems like a great idea to me if it's not already available. Try here if you want/need to lodge a Request for Enhancement (RFE): https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rfe/?BRAND_ID=301 Be sure to look for preexisting ILMT RFEs that might be similar before opening a new one. IBM also already has sub-capacity licensing for z/VM, also via ILMT. Details here: https://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/7/897/ENUS217-267/ENUS217-267.PDF Timothy Sipples IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM Z & LinuxONE, Multi-Geography E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: Idea: Using SCRT to report on Linux usage; maybe a way to reduce the entry level cost for Linux on Z?
IBM already has a sub-capacity accounting tool for Linux on Z and LinuxONE: the IBM License Metric Tool (ILMT). ILMT is already facilitating sub-capacity licensing of IBM software products on Linux on Z and LinuxONE. Details here: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/wikis/home?lang=en#!/wiki/IBM%20License%20Metric%20Tool ILMT is also available for (and common on) Windows, AIX, Linux on X86, etc. And it's a no charge, supported tool. I don't know if IMLT allows non-IBM software accounting, but that seems like a great idea to me if it's not already available. Try here if you want/need to lodge a Request for Enhancement (RFE): https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rfe/?BRAND_ID=301 Be sure to look for preexisting ILMT RFEs that might be similar before opening a new one. IBM also already has sub-capacity licensing for z/VM, also via ILMT. Details here: https://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/7/897/ENUS217-267/ENUS217-267.PDF Timothy Sipples IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM Z & LinuxONE, Multi-Geography E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: Idea: Using SCRT to report on Linux usage; maybe a way to reduce the entry level cost for Linux on Z?
Hello! If you want an observer's perspective, I'd say this is good news. - Gregg C Levine gregg.drw...@gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 2:06 PM, David Boyes wrote: > Given that IBM is now allowing 3rd party vendors to use the SCRT processing > infrastructure to collect usage data, the thought occurred to me: could this > be used to do usage-based pricing for Linux and Linux-based applications? > Some mapping of Linux features/functions to SMF type 70 and 89 records would > have to be done, and the various distributors would need to register > application types, but all the other infrastructure is there and the usage > data reporting piece already exists for Linux (it's a Java app). > > The idea here is that if the distributors could get accurate usage data, they > could offer usage-based pricing, which would lower the entry level for > getting started with Linux on Z and avoid some of the sticker shock. > > Thoughts? > > > > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > -- > For more information on Linux on System z, visit > http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Idea: Using SCRT to report on Linux usage; maybe a way to reduce the entry level cost for Linux on Z?
Given that IBM is now allowing 3rd party vendors to use the SCRT processing infrastructure to collect usage data, the thought occurred to me: could this be used to do usage-based pricing for Linux and Linux-based applications? Some mapping of Linux features/functions to SMF type 70 and 89 records would have to be done, and the various distributors would need to register application types, but all the other infrastructure is there and the usage data reporting piece already exists for Linux (it's a Java app). The idea here is that if the distributors could get accurate usage data, they could offer usage-based pricing, which would lower the entry level for getting started with Linux on Z and avoid some of the sticker shock. Thoughts? -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
