Re: RHEL Install in a LPAR
That is correct Jerry, no z/VM. I am doing this in a bare metal LPAR so to speak. I know of another vendor using a different flavor of linux that uses ICKDSF to format a volume and copy out the linux file system and IPL text to allow the volume to be IPL'ed. I am looking to see if I can MacGyver it for my own use. Thank you to all who replied, you have given me some good ideas to search on. __ Thank you, James Huckert 737-931- x28548 james_a_huck...@homedepot.com -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of Edgington, Jerry Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 11:05 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: RHEL Install in a LPAR James, I am assuming from your email, you are talking about installing Redhat as a LPAR on the zEC13, not under z/VM, correct? Jerry -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Huckert, James A Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 11:03 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: RHEL Install in a LPAR Hello Listers Does anyone know a way to install RHEL on a EC13 without using the HMC? I thought there was a way to format a volume from z/OS 2.3 and lay down the needed files and boot RedHat. Due to security concerns we are not allowed physical access to our HMC's nor insert any kind of media into them. Any suggestions or links to documentation on possible ways around this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your help ahead of time __ Regards, James The information in this Internet Email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this Email by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. When addressed to our clients any opinions or advice contained in this Email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in any applicable governing The Home Depot terms of business or client engagement letter. The Home Depot disclaims all responsibility and liability for the accuracy and content of this attachment and for any damages or losses arising from any inaccuracies, errors, viruses, e.g., worms, trojan horses, etc., or other items of a destructive nature, which may be contained in this attachment and shall not be liable for direct, indirect, consequential or special damages in connection with this e-mail message or its attachment. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.marist.edu_htbin_wlvindex-3FLINUX-2D390&d=DwIFAg&c=MtgQEAMQGqekjTjiAhkudQ&r=1MVJw8dQFG-wetiJF8VHJDFUwzm4Hkhd3rn3bOhZP1I&m=P8wbt-fzsDmgTDO7humyf0eINqFLRZu3-TL1hC94mVw&s=qzws5HoZUFGpOIRziZHWazfWOam8O6B83MVngHiLaqg&e= -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.marist.edu_htbin_wlvindex-3FLINUX-2D390&d=DwIFAg&c=MtgQEAMQGqekjTjiAhkudQ&r=1MVJw8dQFG-wetiJF8VHJDFUwzm4Hkhd3rn3bOhZP1I&m=P8wbt-fzsDmgTDO7humyf0eINqFLRZu3-TL1hC94mVw&s=qzws5HoZUFGpOIRziZHWazfWOam8O6B83MVngHiLaqg&e= The information in this Internet Email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this Email by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. When addressed to our clients any opinions or advice contained in this Email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in any applicable governing The Home Depot terms of business or client engagement letter. The Home Depot disclaims all responsibility and liability for the accuracy and content of this attachment and for any damages or losses arising from any inaccuracies, errors, viruses, e.g., worms, trojan horses, etc., or other items of a destructive nature, which may be contained in this attachment and shall not be liable for direct, indirect, consequential or special damages in connection with this e-mail message or its attachment. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: RHEL Install in a LPAR
On 3/21/19 11:02 AM, Huckert, James A wrote: > Hello Listers > > Does anyone know a way to install RHEL on a EC13 without using the HMC? > I thought there was a way to format a volume from z/OS 2.3 and lay down the > needed files and boot RedHat. > > Due to security concerns we are not allowed physical access to our HMC's nor > insert any kind of media into them. > Any suggestions or links to documentation on possible ways around this would > be greatly appreciated. > > Thank you for your help ahead of time You can use the web interface to the HMC, but you'll need to have an FTP server somewhere in your network that the SE can reach. Put the three "starter files" on it (kernel, parmfile, initrd) as well as the *.ins file that describes those three files. Select the "Load from Removable Media or Server" task and specify the IP address of the FTP server, and the path to the directory that contains the *.ins file for Red Hat. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: RHEL Install in a LPAR
James, I am assuming from your email, you are talking about installing Redhat as a LPAR on the zEC13, not under z/VM, correct? Jerry -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Huckert, James A Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 11:03 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: RHEL Install in a LPAR Hello Listers Does anyone know a way to install RHEL on a EC13 without using the HMC? I thought there was a way to format a volume from z/OS 2.3 and lay down the needed files and boot RedHat. Due to security concerns we are not allowed physical access to our HMC's nor insert any kind of media into them. Any suggestions or links to documentation on possible ways around this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your help ahead of time __ Regards, James The information in this Internet Email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this Email by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. When addressed to our clients any opinions or advice contained in this Email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in any applicable governing The Home Depot terms of business or client engagement letter. The Home Depot disclaims all responsibility and liability for the accuracy and content of this attachment and for any damages or losses arising from any inaccuracies, errors, viruses, e.g., worms, trojan horses, etc., or other items of a destructive nature, which may be contained in this attachment and shall not be liable for direct, indirect, consequential or special damages in connection with this e-mail message or its attachment. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: RHEL Install in a LPAR
On 3/21/19 5:45 PM, Rob van der Heij wrote: On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 at 16:04, Huckert, James A wrote: Does anyone know a way to install RHEL on a EC13 without using the HMC? I thought there was a way to format a volume from z/OS 2.3 and lay down the needed files and boot RedHat. Due to security concerns we are not allowed physical access to our HMC's nor insert any kind of media into them. Any suggestions or links to documentation on possible ways around this would be greatly appreciated. There was, but it may not have been used in the previous two decades. http://home.iae.nl/users/rvdheij/linuxipl.html I suspect it might still work. At least for the IPL installer part, that might be combined with RHEL6 Preparing https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/6/html/installation_guide/s1-steps-hd-installs-s390 "Using a Prepared ..." https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/6/html/installation_guide/s1-s390-steps-boot However, the ISO and install.img for the installer phases following the IPL typically reside on a Linux filesystem and I have no idea if and how you could create such under z/OS. Not sure if this still works with RHEL7 as I could not find the preparation documentation any more, just how to IPL from something that was already prepared: "Using a Prepared ..." https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/html/installation_guide/sect-installation-overview-s390 Alternatively, installation over network is an option, if you want to avoid using HMC storage for IPL/install. This requires the preparation of some reachable network server. But doesn't somebody at least need to trigger an LPAR load on the HMC in any case to IPL the installer? -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Kind regards Steffen Maier Linux on IBM Z Development https://www.ibm.com/privacy/us/en/ IBM Deutschland Research & Development GmbH Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Matthias Hartmann Geschaeftsfuehrung: Dirk Wittkopp Sitz der Gesellschaft: Boeblingen Registergericht: Amtsgericht Stuttgart, HRB 243294 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: RHEL Install in a LPAR
On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 at 16:04, Huckert, James A < james_a_huck...@homedepot.com> wrote: > > Does anyone know a way to install RHEL on a EC13 without using the HMC? > I thought there was a way to format a volume from z/OS 2.3 and lay down > the needed files and boot RedHat. > > Due to security concerns we are not allowed physical access to our HMC's > nor insert any kind of media into them. > Any suggestions or links to documentation on possible ways around this > would be greatly appreciated. > > There was, but it may not have been used in the previous two decades. http://home.iae.nl/users/rvdheij/linuxipl.html I suspect it might still work. Rob -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: RHEL Install in a LPAR
On Thursday, 03/21/2019 at 03:05 GMT, "Huckert, James A" wrote: > Does anyone know a way to install RHEL on a EC13 without using the HMC? > I thought there was a way to format a volume from z/OS 2.3 and lay down the > needed files and boot RedHat. Never heard of it. There's nothing documented in RH install book. It is the installer program that you boot from DVD that puts the stuff on disk so you can IPL it. The only other way to load an LPAR is to use ftp/ftps/sftp, but since you're on a z13, you have to break open (e.g. with a VPN connection) the HMC-SE network to allow the SE to reach the ftp server. (As of z14, the HMC now acts as a proper transparent ftp gateway.) > Due to security concerns we are not allowed physical access to our HMC's nor > insert any kind of media into them. That does not compute. You just need an LPAR definition that doesn't have access to z/OS resources and your need your HMC limited to only the LPAR or LPARs over which you exercise administrative authority. You are, of course, personally responsible for your behavior w.r.t. those LPARs. And apparently the Keepers of the HMC feel that only THEY are qualified to touch the Holy Keyboard and not accidentally do anything? If so, send THEM the DVDs and let THEM stand there and put them in as you direct. The emotive "security concerns" surrounding access to the HMC is a venerable ghost story, still told today around campfires to scare the young sysprogs. Think of it as being sent on a zSnipe hunt. You'd think that in the year 2019 people are still logging on SYSPROG with the default password, with access to Everything Everywhere. As a "break-glass" ID, sure, but not for day-to-day management. (Gr.) Alan Altmark Senior Managing z/VM and Linux Consultant IBM Systems Lab Services IBM Z Delivery Practice ibm.com/systems/services/labservices office: 607.429.3323 mobile; 607.321.7556 alan_altm...@us.ibm.com IBM Endicott -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
RHEL Install in a LPAR
Hello Listers Does anyone know a way to install RHEL on a EC13 without using the HMC? I thought there was a way to format a volume from z/OS 2.3 and lay down the needed files and boot RedHat. Due to security concerns we are not allowed physical access to our HMC's nor insert any kind of media into them. Any suggestions or links to documentation on possible ways around this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your help ahead of time __ Regards, James The information in this Internet Email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this Email by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. When addressed to our clients any opinions or advice contained in this Email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in any applicable governing The Home Depot terms of business or client engagement letter. The Home Depot disclaims all responsibility and liability for the accuracy and content of this attachment and for any damages or losses arising from any inaccuracies, errors, viruses, e.g., worms, trojan horses, etc., or other items of a destructive nature, which may be contained in this attachment and shall not be liable for direct, indirect, consequential or special damages in connection with this e-mail message or its attachment. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
