Re: vale openSolaris
Oracle is apparently closing down their support for OpenSolaris. In fairness to them, they are closing down support for their own binary distribution of OpenSolaris (eponymously and confusingly named). They still refuse to make any official public statement on the future of the OpenSolaris project (other than the leaked memo, which can be trivially disclaimed as not official). -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: vale openSolaris
I was taught it was pronouced something like: wa lay. The latin v is more like a w sound. Also (like Greek), the emphasis is on the penultimate syllable, moving to ultimate syllable if the statement is an imperative (if I remember correctly). -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: vale openSolaris
Any comments from this august assemblage ?. I suppose David has more reason than most to feel umbrage. Without getting myself back on the front page of the Register correcting technobloggers, I would still point out that Oracle cannot take away the source they have already released -- they don't own all the rights to it (for once, the CDDL actually does something positive). OpenSolaris on Z is still engaged, but at a much reduced priority while we see what plays out. The Illumos/Nexenta effort appears to be serious enough to merit additional discussion of what to do next -- at least we no longer need the closed source libi18n to build the OpenSolaris kernel, and they seem to be making good progress on the kernel lock manager and crypto bits that were the last remaining closed source bits. I might even release the Power code if they actually get those two pieces done. The new instructions in Power7 are actually very helpful for writing operating systems. As for Oracle, well, meh. I don't have much incentive to contribute anything back to their project(s) or recommend their software, that's for certain. It's really too bad that IBM muffed the Sun purchase, but ... yeah. C'est la vie. Es geht wie es geht. No matter -- I have plenty more good ideas. After all, I haven't messed up IBM's marketing strategy and message for at least 6 months 8-) -- db
Re: vale openSolaris
Could someone expound a bit on what vale openSolaris refers to, for those of us that don't follow Oracle/Sun that closely? A Google search turns up little of use. Thanks. On 08/16/2010 09:26 AM, David Boyes wrote: Any comments from this august assemblage ?. I suppose David has more reason than most to feel umbrage. Without getting myself back on the front page of the Register correcting technobloggers, I would still point out that Oracle cannot take away the source they have already released -- they don't own all the rights to it (for once, the CDDL actually does something positive). OpenSolaris on Z is still engaged, but at a much reduced priority while we see what plays out. The Illumos/Nexenta effort appears to be serious enough to merit additional discussion of what to do next -- at least we no longer need the closed source libi18n to build the OpenSolaris kernel, and they seem to be making good progress on the kernel lock manager and crypto bits that were the last remaining closed source bits. I might even release the Power code if they actually get those two pieces done. The new instructions in Power7 are actually very helpful for writing operating systems. As for Oracle, well, meh. I don't have much incentive to contribute anything back to their project(s) or recommend their software, that's for certain. It's really too bad that IBM muffed the Sun purchase, but ... yeah. C'est la vie. Es geht wie es geht. No matter -- I have plenty more good ideas. After all, I haven't messed up IBM's marketing strategy and message for at least 6 months 8-) -- db -- Dave Jones V/Soft www.vsoft-software.com Houston, TX 281.578.7544 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: vale openSolaris
I did see a news item on a (dutch) website where it states that Oracle stops the OpenSolaris in favor of the new Solaris 11. It also points to a memo on http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-discuss/2010-August/05 9310.html (obviously this memo is in English). Regards, Berry. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Shane Sent: maandag 16 augustus 2010 15:53 To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: vale openSolaris Any comments from this august assemblage ?. I suppose David has more reason than most to feel umbrage. I kept wanting to get involved (non-z), but didn't see the effort being rewarded long-term. Even the devs that were at the kernel conference I was on when the acquisition was (formally) announced were not confident Oracle would continue the effort. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ ÿþD i t b e r i c h t i s v e r t r o u w e l i j k e n k a n g e h e i m e i n f o r m a t i e b e v a t t e n e n k e l b e s t e m d v o o r d e g e a d r e s s e e r d e . I n d i e n d i t b e r i c h t n i e t v o o r u i s b e s t e m d , v e r z o e k e n w i j u d i t o n m i d d e l l i j k a a n o n s t e m e l d e n e n h e t b e r i c h t t e v e r n i e t i g e n . A a n g e z i e n d e i n t e g r i t e i t v a n h e t b e r i c h t n i e t v e i l i g g e s t e l d i s m i d d e l s v e r z e n d i n g v i a i n t e r n e t , k a n A t o s O r i g i n n i e t a a n s p r a k e l i j k w o r d e n g e h o u d e n v o o r d e i n h o u d d a a r v a n . H o e w e l w i j o n s i n s p a n n e n e e n v i r u s v r i j n e t w e r k t e h a n t e r e n , g e v e n w i j g e e n e n k e l e g a r a n t i e d a t d i t b e r i c h t v i r u s v r i j i s , n o c h a a n v a a r d e n w i j e n i g e a a n s p r a k e l i j k h e i d v o o r d e m o g e l i j k e a a n w e z i g h e i d v a n e e n v i r u s i n d i t b e r i c h t . O p a l o n z e r e c h t s v e r h o u d i n g e n , a a n b i e d i n g e n e n o v e r e e n k o m s t e n w a a r o n d e r A t o s O r i g i n g o e d e r e n e n / o f d i e n s t e n l e v e r t z i j n m e t u i t s l u i t i n g v a n a l l e a n d e r e v o o r w a a r d e n d e L e v e r i n g s v o o r w a a r d e n v a n A t o s O r i g i n v a n t o e p a s s i n g . D e z e w o r d e n u o p a a n v r a a g d i r e c t k o s t e l o o s t o e g e z o n d e n . T h i s e - m a i l a n d t h e d o c u m e n t s a t t a c h e d a r e c o n f i d e n t i a l a n d i n t e n d e d s o l e l y f o r t h e a d d r e s s e e ; i t m a y a l s o b e p r i v i l e g e d . I f y o u r e c e i v e t h i s e - m a i l i n e r r o r , p l e a s e n o t i f y t h e s e n d e r i m m e d i a t e l y a n d d e s t r o y i t . A s i t s i n t e g r i t y c a n n o t b e s e c u r e d o n t h e I n t e r n e t , t h e A t o s O r i g i n g r o u p l i a b i l i t y c a n n o t b e t r i g g e r e d f o r t h e m e s s a g e c o n t e n t . A l t h o u g h t h e s e n d e r e n d e a v o u r s t o m a i n t a i n a c o m p u t e r v i r u s - f r e e n e t w o r k , t h e s e n d e r d o e s n o t w a r r a n t t h a t t h i s t r a n s m i s s i o n i s v i r u s - f r e e a n d w i l l n o t b e l i a b l e f o r a n y d a m a g e s r e s u l t i n g f r o m a n y v i r u s t r a n s m i t t e d . O n a l l o f f e r s a n d a g r e e m e n t s u n d e r w h i c h A t o s O r i g i n s u p p l i e s g o o d s a n d / o r s e r v i c e s o f w h a t e v e r n a t u r e , t h e T e r m s o f D e l i v e r y f r o m A t o s O r i g i n e x c l u s i v e l y a p p l y .
Re: vale openSolaris
-Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Dave Jones Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 9:26 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: vale openSolaris Could someone expound a bit on what vale openSolaris refers to, for those of us that don't follow Oracle/Sun that closely? A Google search turns up little of use. Thanks. vale is Latin for goodbye. Oracle is apparently closing down their support for OpenSolaris. Oracle does not appear to believe the open software is of much importance. They don't seem to have much interest that I can see in Java either. And suing Google over Android and its improper use of Java. I don't understand what this latter is about. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-691-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: vale openSolaris
Thanks for the note, JohnI knew I should have taken Latin in school instead of that FORTRAN IV course. The leaked memo that Berry v S. points to sheds more light on the issue..in short, at Oracle the open source development model has now been axed and OpenSolaris is officially now dead. DJ On 08/16/2010 09:41 AM, McKown, John wrote: -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Dave Jones Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 9:26 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: vale openSolaris Could someone expound a bit on what vale openSolaris refers to, for those of us that don't follow Oracle/Sun that closely? A Google search turns up little of use. Thanks. vale is Latin for goodbye. Oracle is apparently closing down their support for OpenSolaris. Oracle does not appear to believe the open software is of much importance. They don't seem to have much interest that I can see in Java either. And suing Google over Android and its improper use of Java. I don't understand what this latter is about. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-691-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- Dave Jones V/Soft www.vsoft-software.com Houston, TX 281.578.7544 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: vale openSolaris
On 8/16/10 7:41 AM, McKown, John wrote: vale is Latin for goodbye. Oracle is apparently closing down their support for OpenSolaris. Oracle does not appear to believe the open software is of much importance. They don't seem to have much interest that I can see in Java either. And suing Google over Android and its improper use of Java. I don't understand what this latter is about. So, for those of us that took BASIC (actually a keypunch class in which BASIC was available via tty over a 300 (110?) baud modem to a PDP-8) in high school instead of Latin, is vale pronounced like veil, as in veil of secrecy, or like valley, as in valley of evil? - Larry -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: vale openSolaris
-Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Larry Ploetz Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 12:47 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: vale openSolaris On 8/16/10 7:41 AM, McKown, John wrote: vale is Latin for goodbye. Oracle is apparently closing down their support for OpenSolaris. Oracle does not appear to believe the open software is of much importance. They don't seem to have much interest that I can see in Java either. And suing Google over Android and its improper use of Java. I don't understand what this latter is about. So, for those of us that took BASIC (actually a keypunch class in which BASIC was available via tty over a 300 (110?) baud modem to a PDP-8) in high school instead of Latin, is vale pronounced like veil, as in veil of secrecy, or like valley, as in valley of evil? - Larry I was taught it was pronouced something like: wa lay. The latin v is more like a w sound. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-691-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: vale openSolaris
On 8/16/10 10:52 AM, McKown, John wrote: I was taught it was pronouced something like: wa lay. The latin v is more like a w sound. Oh, like waylay: to lie in wait for or attack from ambush. Are you saying Oracle has untoward intentions ?!? ;-) - Larry -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: vale openSolaris
-Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Larry Ploetz Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:08 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: vale openSolaris On 8/16/10 10:52 AM, McKown, John wrote: I was taught it was pronouced something like: wa lay. The latin v is more like a w sound. Oh, like waylay: to lie in wait for or attack from ambush. Are you saying Oracle has untoward intentions ?!? ;-) - Larry not way, I should have written wah instead of wa. My opinion of Oracle is not too high at present. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-691-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: vale openSolaris
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 09:41:10AM -0500, McKown, John wrote: vale is Latin for goodbye. Oracle is apparently closing down their support for OpenSolaris. Oracle does not appear to believe the open software is of much importance. They don't seem to have much interest that I can see in Java either. And suing Google over Android and its improper use of Java. I don't understand what this latter is about. As I understanding, Oracle are asserting that Dalvik, Google's JVM, infringes on various Oracle patents. The talking points advanced by various Oracle supporters appear to be that by performing an independent re-implementation of the JVM, rather than buying the terrible J2SE JVM (which Sun never open sourced), Google have stolen Sunacle's valuable intellectual property. Since it's an independent reimplmentation, based on bits of the Harmony project, itself an independent reimplementation, patents are the only weapon Oracle have in this case. The fact Oracle appear to be going after someone for selling a Java-based product without giving Oracle money ought to give RedHat, IBM, etc pause. The FUD it hands Apple, Microsoft, etc, will no doubt be very handy for them. -- Rodger Donaldsonrodg...@diaspora.gen.nz -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: vale openSolaris
rather than buying the terrible J2SE JVM (which Sun never open sourced), Google have stolen Sunacle's valuable intellectual property. Correcting an error between brain and fingers: that should, of course, read Terrible J2ME JVM. -- Rodger Donaldsonrodg...@diaspora.gen.nz -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
