Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO?
Mark Post wrote: On 8/24/2010 at 03:15 PM, Graves, Aaron aaron.gra...@citi.com wrote: How about a z/VM zLinux response to this? http://www.computerworld.com/pdfs/RedHat_Enterprise_Linux_has_Best_TCO.pdf If I were to say what I really think about this, I would most likely be perceived as bashing a competitor. I don't want to go there, so I'm going to try really hard to stay out of this particular discussion. Brad, my apologies for saying this much. Bear in mind that RH is targetting (mostly) Windows users on ia32/amd-64 systems. I wouldn't expect too much difference between SLES and RHEL on those kinds of hardware. Both RH's and Novell's users can do things those on Zeds cannot, most notably run Windows guests. And, quite a few times here; I've seen questions about this or that package that is shipped prebuilt as binaries for Linux (but only for intellish systems). Now, if someone wants to take aim at Linux on Intellish (or Power or Sparc if you wish) vs Linux on Zeds, I'm here to watch! -- Cheers John -- spambait 1...@coco.merseine.nu z1...@coco.merseine.nu -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO?
The implication is that these represent the leading edge of virtualization, completely ignoring z/VM's capabilities. This happens time after time, conference after conference and webcast after webcast. It's almost like z/VM with zLinux exists in some parallel universe that is outside the perception of the distributed world. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 12:37 AM To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu Subject: Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO? On Tuesday, 08/24/2010 at 03:16 EDT, Graves, Aaron aaron.gra...@citi.com wrote: How about a z/VM zLinux response to this? http://www.computerworld.com/pdfs/RedHat_Enterprise_Linux_has_Best_TCO.pdf Not sure what you're looking for, Aaron, as Red Hat says nothing about System z, limiting the comparison of their KVM-based system to VMware vSphere and Microsoft Windows Hyper-V. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO?
-Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Graves, Aaron Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 7:53 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO? The implication is that these represent the leading edge of virtualization, completely ignoring z/VM's capabilities. This happens time after time, conference after conference and webcast after webcast. It's almost like z/VM with zLinux exists in some parallel universe that is outside the perception of the distributed world. It is is not Intel, then it does not exist. How many Linux people (general population) consider Linux on the z, i, or p? Unless you came up in the z, i, or p world, those processors simply do not exist. computer is identically equal to Intel processor. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-691-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO?
It is is not Intel, then it does not exist. How many Linux people (general population) consider Linux on the z, i, or p? Unless you came up in the z, i, or p world, those processors simply do not exist. computer is identically equal to Intel processor. Then why are you talking about Linux? You do know operating system means Windows? Best regards, Pieter Harder pieter.har...@brabantwater.nl tel +31-73-6837133 / +31-6-47272537 -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-691-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Brabant Water N.V. Postbus 1068 5200 BC 's-Hertogenbosch http://www.brabantwater.nl Handelsregister: 16005077 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO?
-Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Harder, Pieter Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 8:08 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO? It is is not Intel, then it does not exist. How many Linux people (general population) consider Linux on the z, i, or p? Unless you came up in the z, i, or p world, those processors simply do not exist. computer is identically equal to Intel processor. Then why are you talking about Linux? You do know operating system means Windows? Best regards, Pieter Harder Touche! But even the general Linux world thinks in terms of Intel. Or embedded systems such as ARM. This forum is a small elite. Like the Seals (or Korps Commandotroepen) of the IT world. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-691-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO?
Why don't we all from now on always mentioned zLinux in one way or another (depending on subject, situation) when we post comments at various sites, fa ce book, my sp ace, email, you name it. All of us here cover the world you know ! Why not spread some z info as a balance to all the x86 info. Or am I to pushy ? (is that an english word really??) ___ Tore Agblad Volvo Information Technology Infrastructure Mainframe Design Development, Linux servers Dept 4352 DA1S SE-405 08, Gothenburg Sweden Telephone: +46-31-3233569 E-mail: tore.agb...@volvo.com http://www.volvo.com/volvoit/global/en-gb/ -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: den 25 augusti 2010 15:16 To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO? -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Harder, Pieter Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 8:08 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO? It is is not Intel, then it does not exist. How many Linux people (general population) consider Linux on the z, i, or p? Unless you came up in the z, i, or p world, those processors simply do not exist. computer is identically equal to Intel processor. Then why are you talking about Linux? You do know operating system means Windows? Best regards, Pieter Harder Touche! But even the general Linux world thinks in terms of Intel. Or embedded systems such as ARM. This forum is a small elite. Like the Seals (or Korps Commandotroepen) of the IT world. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-691-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO?
Pushy is used in the proper context. However, it may not be the Kings English (no slight intended). -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Agblad Tore Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 9:27 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO? Why don't we all from now on always mentioned zLinux in one way or another (depending on subject, situation) when we post comments at various sites, fa ce book, my sp ace, email, you name it. All of us here cover the world you know ! Why not spread some z info as a balance to all the x86 info. Or am I to pushy ? (is that an english word really??) ___ Tore Agblad Volvo Information Technology Infrastructure Mainframe Design Development, Linux servers Dept 4352 DA1S SE-405 08, Gothenburg Sweden Telephone: +46-31-3233569 E-mail: tore.agb...@volvo.com http://www.volvo.com/volvoit/global/en-gb/ -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: den 25 augusti 2010 15:16 To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO? -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Harder, Pieter Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 8:08 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO? It is is not Intel, then it does not exist. How many Linux people (general population) consider Linux on the z, i, or p? Unless you came up in the z, i, or p world, those processors simply do not exist. computer is identically equal to Intel processor. Then why are you talking about Linux? You do know operating system means Windows? Best regards, Pieter Harder Touche! But even the general Linux world thinks in terms of Intel. Or embedded systems such as ARM. This forum is a small elite. Like the Seals (or Korps Commandotroepen) of the IT world. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-691-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO?
Isn't the real problem that the VMWare vendor(s) does a LOT of advertising and marketing, and the z/VM vendor does not (other than preaching to the choir)? Graves, Aaron wrote: The implication is that these represent the leading edge of virtualization, completely ignoring z/VM's capabilities. This happens time after time, conference after conference and webcast after webcast. It's almost like z/VM with zLinux exists in some parallel universe that is outside the perception of the distributed world. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 12:37 AM To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu Subject: Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO? On Tuesday, 08/24/2010 at 03:16 EDT, Graves, Aaron aaron.gra...@citi.com wrote: How about a z/VM zLinux response to this? http://www.computerworld.com/pdfs/RedHat_Enterprise_Linux_has_Best_TCO.pdf Not sure what you're looking for, Aaron, as Red Hat says nothing about System z, limiting the comparison of their KVM-based system to VMware vSphere and Microsoft Windows Hyper-V. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO?
It may be that there is more revenue to be made from that platform. Selling subscription/support on a per IFL basis is not as lucrative as targeting the mass xSeries market. One can assume that they are in business to make money. The non-zSeries markets are the easiest way to achieve this. bar...@vm1.velocity-software.com Sent by: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 08/25/2010 10:26 AM Please respond to LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU To LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO? Isn't the real problem that the VMWare vendor(s) does a LOT of advertising and marketing, and the z/VM vendor does not (other than preaching to the choir)? Graves, Aaron wrote: The implication is that these represent the leading edge of virtualization, completely ignoring z/VM's capabilities. This happens time after time, conference after conference and webcast after webcast. It's almost like z/VM with zLinux exists in some parallel universe that is outside the perception of the distributed world. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 12:37 AM To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu Subject: Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO? On Tuesday, 08/24/2010 at 03:16 EDT, Graves, Aaron aaron.gra...@citi.com wrote: How about a z/VM zLinux response to this? http://www.computerworld.com/pdfs/RedHat_Enterprise_Linux_has_Best_TCO.pdf Not sure what you're looking for, Aaron, as Red Hat says nothing about System z, limiting the comparison of their KVM-based system to VMware vSphere and Microsoft Windows Hyper-V. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ If you are not the intended addressee, please inform us immediately that you have received this e-mail in error, and delete it. We thank you for your cooperation. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Virtualization with the Best TCO?
How about a z/VM zLinux response to this? http://www.computerworld.com/pdfs/RedHat_Enterprise_Linux_has_Best_TCO.pdf Aaron -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO?
This is smoek screen. they do not include facility costs, middleware, network and support. 1) If they include they ONLY included the power NOT the ambient cooling. Sysz - 5Kw and none 2) BIggest savings is middleware - more virtual servers per unit (harware) equals less in license costs 3) With out crypto you are looking at a backbone network savings (behind the wall) of 30 to 40%. If you include crypto its even greater cuz now there is an elimination of bandwidth and firewall appliances 4) With zLinux I can update the kernel once for an entire LPAR or with DSS one common read only Oracle SQP library that effects all prodcution servers on the LPAR.\ How do I know this - been doing that fight daily for the last 4 years at the company I work for. There is a reason they do not include System z - plus the more servers the better the TCO or ROI. This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose. From: Graves, Aaron aaron.gra...@citi.com To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu Date: 08/24/2010 03:16 PM Subject: Virtualization with the Best TCO? How about a z/VM zLinux response to this? http://www.computerworld.com/pdfs/RedHat_Enterprise_Linux_has_Best_TCO.pdf Aaron -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO?
On 8/24/2010 at 03:15 PM, Graves, Aaron aaron.gra...@citi.com wrote: How about a z/VM zLinux response to this? http://www.computerworld.com/pdfs/RedHat_Enterprise_Linux_has_Best_TCO.pdf If I were to say what I really think about this, I would most likely be perceived as bashing a competitor. I don't want to go there, so I'm going to try really hard to stay out of this particular discussion. Brad, my apologies for saying this much. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO?
On Tuesday, 08/24/2010 at 03:16 EDT, Graves, Aaron aaron.gra...@citi.com wrote: How about a z/VM zLinux response to this? http://www.computerworld.com/pdfs/RedHat_Enterprise_Linux_has_Best_TCO.pdf Not sure what you're looking for, Aaron, as Red Hat says nothing about System z, limiting the comparison of their KVM-based system to VMware vSphere and Microsoft Windows Hyper-V. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
