Re: What to ask RedHat presenters about SuSE on OS/390 vs Redhat?
Hello from Gregg C Levine And you are not. I will accept corrections, but I believe they were the first ones to create non Intel ports of Linux. That is actively released ones. Everyone one was, and still is tinkering their way through such. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda ) -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390;VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Alex deVries Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] What to ask RedHat presenters about SuSE on OS/390 vs Redhat? Jon R. Doyle wrote: I have too, it is my experience RH is new to the multi-platform capability, but they are not new to marketing, they are great at that, ala M$. I don't think that Red Hat is new to non-IA32 archs at all. I'm sure I'm getting my years wrong, but they did have an Alpha and Sparc port throughout the late 1990s. - Alex -- Alex deVries Principal Architect, Linuxcare Canada, Inc. (613) 562 2759 Linuxcare. Simplifying Server Consolidation.
Re: What to ask RedHat presenters about SuSE on OS/390 vs Redhat?
On Mon, 2002-11-11 at 02:45, Alex deVries wrote: Jon R. Doyle wrote: I have too, it is my experience RH is new to the multi-platform capability, but they are not new to marketing, they are great at that, ala M$. I don't think that Red Hat is new to non-IA32 archs at all. I'm sure I'm getting my years wrong, but they did have an Alpha and Sparc port throughout the late 1990s. Red Hat have done Sparc and Alpha releases, also PPC and some other bits, as well as a rough cuts CD of the third party ports to m68k, (yes I ran Red Hat on my MacII), mips and the like. Unlike Debian which does have things like a MacII port, MCA bus, and the like Red Hat can't go around doing ports that are not commercially viable, especially as we then have to provide the customers support. Alan
Re: What to ask RedHat presenters about SuSE on OS/390 vs Redhat?
On Mon, Nov 11, 2002 at 09:38:16AM -0500, David Boyes wrote: I don't think that Red Hat is new to non-IA32 archs at all. I'm sure I'm getting my years wrong, but they did have an Alpha and Sparc port throughout the late 1990s. At least until 2000, I believe. I remember talking with a customer just after RH discontinued the Sparc port, and the RH person in the room casually said if you'd buy 600 copies at full price, they'd bring it back. ftp.auroralinux.org contains a real nice and stable sparc port of Red Hat Linux 7.3. It has many sparc fixes in it as well as some important errata rpms past the release. Should be a real nice start and in general you can easily recompile further errata rpms released for x86. Red Hat Linux is very modular and in general easily ported to new archs, the question is more the demand for such ports. greetings, Florian La Roche
Re: What to ask RedHat presenters about SuSE on OS/390 vs Redhat?
Anne, I would say that more Linux/390 installations are SuSE than Red Hat because SuSE had the first to market advantage in this case. Between the two, SuSE is the only one with a GA 64-bit distribution for zSeries. My understanding is that the gap in numbers is closing somewhat. SuSE and Red Hat both have a contractual obligation to provide Linux distributions across all of IBM's hardware lines. Red Hat has business and philosophical/political issues with distributing Object Code Only modules, and will not do so. How hard it is to integrate IBM's OCO into Red Hat's installation process is a function of how familiar you are with Linux in general, and not just Linux/390. Also, that particular hassle really only has to happen once, for the initial installation. After that, you can easily upgrade running systems, and use the same installation files for follow-on new installs. Contact me off list if you would like more details. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Peticolas, Anne [mailto:anne.peticolas;mail.va.gov] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 5:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: What to ask RedHat presenters about SuSE on OS/390 vs Redhat? Hi, I'm very inexperienced with S/390 Linux but have downloaded a SuSE version and brought it up in an LPAR. I have the impression (true?) that more sites, even in the US, use SuSE for S/390 than Redhat, and I know I went to an IBM free class last month about Linux/390 applications and they used SuSE in class. However, Redhat has a big appeal to management probably because it might be a cross-platform choice and we are most definitely not bought in to either distribution yet. Redhat is giving a presentation here Wednesday which will include info on IBM-Red Hat and Z series partnership. So - if any of you have suggestions, I would welcome them both about advantages/disadvantages of Redhat vs SuSE and as to questions of any nature that I should ask the presenters. I do not know whether they will bring along a techie so I can get really good answers or not. a) My management is very concerned about security so any related questions/comparisons would be very salient; b) Of course which vendors adapt packages to most often/quickest and which I can get most help from from this list is important (I noticed post about DB2 latest version just certified on SuSE today); c) I recall reading while doing a search awhile back that at the time of a post I read (maybe a year back), Redhat wasn't distributing the OSA OCO driver modules but you had to put that together with what they had and was difficult. Still true? Any help/info/comments much appreciated, Anne Peticolas Dept. of Veterans Affairs Austin, Texas
Re: What to ask RedHat presenters about SuSE on OS/390 vs Redhat?
On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 07:17, you wrote: SuSE and Red Hat both have a contractual obligation to provide Linux distributions across all of IBM's hardware lines. How often do you happen to know? The latest I can see at RH's ftp site is: ftp dir 7.2/en/os 200 PORT command successful. Consider using PASV. 150 Here comes the directory listing. drwxr-xr-x6 004096 Jul 15 08:07 i386 drwxr-xr-x7 004096 Jul 14 17:51 ia64 drwxr-xr-x6 004096 Sep 13 18:41 s390 226 Directory send OK. ftp dir 7.1/en/os 200 PORT command successful. Consider using PASV. 150 Here comes the directory listing. drwxr-xr-x9 004096 Jul 14 06:06 alpha drwxr-xr-x6 004096 Jul 15 07:39 i386 drwxr-xr-x6 004096 Jul 15 07:32 ia64 drwxr-xr-x5 004096 Sep 23 05:55 ppc drwxr-xr-x6 004096 Sep 23 05:52 s390x 226 Directory send OK. -- Cheers John Summerfield Microsoft's most solid OS: http://www.geocities.com/rcwoolley/ Join the Linux Support by Small Businesses list at http://mail.computerdatasafe.com.au/mailman/listinfo/lssb
Re: What to ask RedHat presenters about SuSE on OS/390 vs Redhat?
From what I read on the RH site the other ports are custom hacks, supported through thier consulting. I know we have boxed kits here in-house for: SuSE i-series x-series (i386) z-series p-series ?-series 64bit Builds or kits outside IBM sparc amd-64 (sledgehammer) ppc-MAC I have too, it is my experience RH is new to the multi-platform capability, but they are not new to marketing, they are great at that, ala M$. Regards, Jon Jon R. Doyle Sendmail Inc. 6425 Christie Ave Emeryville, Ca. 94608 (o_ (o_ (o_ //\ (/)_ (\)_ V_/_ On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, John Summerfield wrote: On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 07:17, you wrote: SuSE and Red Hat both have a contractual obligation to provide Linux distributions across all of IBM's hardware lines. How often do you happen to know? The latest I can see at RH's ftp site is: ftp dir 7.2/en/os 200 PORT command successful. Consider using PASV. 150 Here comes the directory listing. drwxr-xr-x6 004096 Jul 15 08:07 i386 drwxr-xr-x7 004096 Jul 14 17:51 ia64 drwxr-xr-x6 004096 Sep 13 18:41 s390 226 Directory send OK. ftp dir 7.1/en/os 200 PORT command successful. Consider using PASV. 150 Here comes the directory listing. drwxr-xr-x9 004096 Jul 14 06:06 alpha drwxr-xr-x6 004096 Jul 15 07:39 i386 drwxr-xr-x6 004096 Jul 15 07:32 ia64 drwxr-xr-x5 004096 Sep 23 05:55 ppc drwxr-xr-x6 004096 Sep 23 05:52 s390x 226 Directory send OK. -- Cheers John Summerfield Microsoft's most solid OS: http://www.geocities.com/rcwoolley/ Join the Linux Support by Small Businesses list at http://mail.computerdatasafe.com.au/mailman/listinfo/lssb
Re: What to ask RedHat presenters about SuSE on OS/390 vs Redhat?
Jon R. Doyle wrote: I have too, it is my experience RH is new to the multi-platform capability, but they are not new to marketing, they are great at that, ala M$. I don't think that Red Hat is new to non-IA32 archs at all. I'm sure I'm getting my years wrong, but they did have an Alpha and Sparc port throughout the late 1990s. - Alex -- Alex deVries Principal Architect, Linuxcare Canada, Inc. (613) 562 2759 Linuxcare. Simplifying Server Consolidation.
Re: What to ask RedHat presenters about SuSE on OS/390 vs Redhat?
Never seen thier Sparc port, wow, I fogot Alpha, and I run one here on my desk, a Miata, good catch. Right they had a couple revs, last one CPQ had to pay them to do it. Point being they are great for MKTing, but IMHO SuSE has them cold on Engineering. But, case in point, the Alpha, the best technology is not often what everyone uses :~) Regards, Jon Jon R. Doyle Sendmail Inc. 6425 Christie Ave Emeryville, Ca. 94608 (o_ (o_ (o_ //\ (/)_ (\)_ V_/_ On Sun, 10 Nov 2002, Alex deVries wrote: Jon R. Doyle wrote: I have too, it is my experience RH is new to the multi-platform capability, but they are not new to marketing, they are great at that, ala M$. I don't think that Red Hat is new to non-IA32 archs at all. I'm sure I'm getting my years wrong, but they did have an Alpha and Sparc port throughout the late 1990s. - Alex -- Alex deVries Principal Architect, Linuxcare Canada, Inc. (613) 562 2759 Linuxcare. Simplifying Server Consolidation.
Re: What to ask RedHat presenters about SuSE on OS/390 vs Redhat?
On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:31, you wrote: I have too, it is my experience RH is new to the multi-platform capability, but they are not new to marketing, they are great at that, ala M$. RH has had Alpha and Sparc for years I think in both 32 and 64-bit. Recently it's culled some. I'm slightly puzzled about Power support though, if RH has a contract requiring it then I thought there'd be something newer than 7.1. -- Cheers John Summerfield Microsoft's most solid OS: http://www.geocities.com/rcwoolley/ Join the Linux Support by Small Businesses list at http://mail.computerdatasafe.com.au/mailman/listinfo/lssb
Re: What to ask RedHat presenters about SuSE on OS/390 vs Redhat?
Read good Marketing John, dig deep and you will see it is pay me consulting for ye hack Regards, Jon Jon R. Doyle Sendmail Inc. 6425 Christie Ave Emeryville, Ca. 94608 (o_ (o_ (o_ //\ (/)_ (\)_ V_/_ On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, John Summerfield wrote: On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:31, you wrote: I have too, it is my experience RH is new to the multi-platform capability, but they are not new to marketing, they are great at that, ala M$. RH has had Alpha and Sparc for years I think in both 32 and 64-bit. Recently it's culled some. I'm slightly puzzled about Power support though, if RH has a contract requiring it then I thought there'd be something newer than 7.1. -- Cheers John Summerfield Microsoft's most solid OS: http://www.geocities.com/rcwoolley/ Join the Linux Support by Small Businesses list at http://mail.computerdatasafe.com.au/mailman/listinfo/lssb
