Linux-Advocacy Digest #448
Linux-Advocacy Digest #448, Volume #27Tue, 4 Jul 00 02:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: We WANT different enviroments (Was: Linux, easy to use? (salvador peralta)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Roger)
Re: So where ARE all of these supposed Linux users? (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: Uptime 6 months and counting. ("Brian")
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Rick)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Rick)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Roger)
Re: Linux code going down hill (T. Max Devlin)
Re: So where ARE all of these supposed Linux users? (Pim van Riezen)
From: Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: I hope you trolls are happy...
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 22:54:07 -0400
Leslie Mikesell wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Pete Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Have you ever loaded a driver on LoseDos?
I write Windows device drivers for a living. You know, with all the crashes
and stuff (my own fault of course), not _once_ did Windows trash the disk.
I have an NTFS partition that was corrupted when my CPU fan quit
working and the machine crashed a few times before I found
I *LOVE* my new DFI board.
100 MHz bus, nad has the folowing monitors built into the BIOS:
* CPU TEMP
* CPU FAN SPEED
* AUXILLARY FAN SPEED (video card fan or case fan)
out what was wrong. Scandisk went through the motions of fixing
it and the files mostly seem ok, but now I have trouble getting
setup to unpack the files in self-installing exe files. They
keep telling me that I don't have disk space for the temp files
even though I do. I managed to install service pack 6a by putting
it and the temp directory on a network drive, but I still can't
get a Netscape update to install.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
--
From: Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: I hope you trolls are happy...
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 22:54:57 -0400
Tim Palmer wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jul 2000 19:48:58 -0500, Nathaniel Jay Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tim Palmer wrote:
On 1 Jul 2000 00:34:24 GMT, David Steinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: On 30 Jun 2000 18:44:10 GMT, Brian Langenberger
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: I went out and bought a nice Logitech PS2/USB one, plugged it in,
: adjusted a couple of config files and had no trouble since.
He bought the hardware, used available software, and and found that it
supported the hardware. The software supports the hardware. Period.
Jeff Szarka ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: No... There is where you are wrong. You're not susposed to edit any
: config files. As far as I'm concerned, Linux does not support wheel
: mice unless they just work.
Now, because truth seems to get in the way of your FUD, you wish to
re-define support?
It supports the hardwere only after you force it to. In Windo's it just works.
You half to fight with LIE-nux to make it do annything.
Have you ever loaded a driver on LoseDos?
You just popin CD and it lodes the driver no plobem not like UNIX where
everything's a plobem and you half to recompial.
And you know what happened when LoseDOS lost my freaking CD
driver???
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
--
From: salvador peralta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: We WANT different enviroments (Was: Linux, easy to use?
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 20:08:31 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL
Linux-Advocacy Digest #449
Linux-Advocacy Digest #449, Volume #27Tue, 4 Jul 00 05:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Peter Ammon) Re: LIE-nux is SUPPOST to destroy data (was: Re: This is a Troll, do not resond (was Re: Linux is junk)) (Pete Goodwin) Re: LIE-nux is SUPPOST to destroy data (was: Re: This is a Troll, do not resond (was Re: Linux is junk)) (Pete Goodwin) Re: Uptime 6 months and counting. (marc_k) Re: LIE-nux is SUPPOST to destroy data (was: Re: This is a Troll, do not resond (was Re: Linux is junk)) (Pete Goodwin) Just a thought of something missing (Marada C. Shradrakaii) Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (Pete Goodwin) Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (Pete Goodwin) Re: Where did all my windows go? (Pete Goodwin) Re: Where did all my windows go? (Pete Goodwin) Re: Where did all my windows go? (Pete Goodwin) Re: LIE-nux is SUPPOST to destroy data (abraxas) Re: Where did all my windows go? (Pete Goodwin) Re: Where did all my windows go? (Pete Goodwin) Re: I thought only Windows 98 SE did this! (Pete Goodwin) Re: Where did all my windows go? ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Where did all my windows go? ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Where did all my windows go? (JIM) Re: Where did all my windows go? ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Where did all my windows go? (Donovan Rebbechi) From: Peter Ammon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 23:28:04 -0700 Roger wrote: On Tue, 04 Jul 2000 00:18:34 -0400, someone claiming to be Rick wrote: Roger wrote: On Mon, 03 Jul 2000 17:43:42 -0700, someone claiming to be Peter Ammon wrote: An IRQ conflict occurs when the Windows demon-gods arbitrarily decide to prevent your various pieces of hardware from working together until you prove your devotion. You can prove this by spending several hours in the Device Manager changing obscure numbers and rebooting to see if it works. Watch out: the demon-gods will throw obstacles in your path. Some pieces of hardware can't use certain IRQs. Others require multiple IRQs. Some combinations of IRQs won't work. Sometimes the IRQs have to be in a certain order. And if, in the end, your tortured sense of the rational survives, then all the bounty of Windows shall be yours...until you want to install something else. Which is the fault of Windows .. why, exactly? Um, becasue its designed that way? Um, tell me, exactly where in the software known as Windows are IRQ's defined? hint: it's a hardware thing, not a software thing... When I experience my worst IRQ conflict, I eventually found a configuration that worked. But it was essentially trial and error. Surely Windows could do that? -Peter -- Subject: Re: LIE-nux is SUPPOST to destroy data (was: Re: This is a Troll, do not resond (was Re: Linux is junk)) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 07:01:43 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) wrote in 8jrddm$7ra$[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Because there is so much to it - and you are doing odd things with it. You'd spend many thousands of dollars putting together the equivalent functionality on commercial systems and since it would come in dozens of different packages you would expect to spend some time configuring each package correctly and making it all work together on your particular machine. Since it's free and all together on a couple of CD's, you seem to think it should be simple as a result, but there is no reason it should be simpler than all those individual packages. I've found these problems pretty quickly, unlike Windows. Linux seems to have less working that Windows, and I've not been working that long with it. Pete -- Subject: Re: LIE-nux is SUPPOST to destroy data (was: Re: This is a Troll, do not resond (was Re: Linux is junk)) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 07:02:36 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip) wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: All of the so called problems you have posted on this NG are minor and could be fixed if you would listen to the responses you get, or, better yet, post to the technical newsgroups. Problem is you are more interested in whining than you are fixing problems. I'm interested in pointing out the fact that Linux has problems, whereas Windows has less. Pete -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (marc_k) Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux Subject: Re: Uptime 6 months and counting. Date: 4 Jul 2000 07:00:25 GMT Brian ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: : Aaron Kulkis wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]... : All decently-built battery backups have these things called : circuit breakers. : Ya, and they work great. : However, under heavy transient conditions the
Linux-Advocacy Digest #450
Linux-Advocacy Digest #450, Volume #27Tue, 4 Jul 00 08:13:03 EDT Contents: Which Linux should I try? (cpliu) Re: CommyLinux vs Microsoft (Steve Mading) Re: Uptime 6 months and counting. (Nic) Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Kenneth P. Turvey) Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Hyman Rosen) Re: Another CommyLie-nux Commy expoased! (was: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!) (Mark Wooding) Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Phillip Lord) Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Phillip Lord) Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Phillip Lord) TPC-C Results for W2k revisited. (Truckasaurus) Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Phillip Lord) Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Phillip Lord) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (cpliu) Subject: Which Linux should I try? Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 09:15:23 GMT With all the hype about Linux, I'd like to give it a try. There are so many vendors on Linux, red hat, mandrake, caldera, TurboLinux, etc. Which one should I try? Are there any major differences? interface? How about compatibility between different venders? This must be a FAQ. Please give me a pointer or two before I get started. Thanks, CPLIU -- From: Steve Mading [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CommyLinux vs Microsoft Date: 4 Jul 2000 09:19:00 GMT abraxas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : Steve Mading [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : : Bullshit. I'm fully capable of seeing the multiple levels. : Whether or not you can see multiple levels has nothing to do with : whether or not you have experiential knowledge of the art of the : troll, which you apparantly do not. Assuming that someone who disagrees must be doing so because of inexperience is arrogant. I have plenty of experience with trolls, I just don't agree with the practice of patting trollers on the back and saying "mighty good troll, ole chap!" -- From: Nic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux Subject: Re: Uptime 6 months and counting. Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 21:48:58 +1200 Aaron Kulkis wrote: Unfortunately, they are rather pricy friends when you are dealing with 10 or so machines --- and while the mass-reboot every month or two is inconvenient, it still doesn't waste *that* many CPU cycles that buying a new machine instead of the UPS wouldn't result in a net benefit. Here's what you do. Open it up...you will find a 12.7V lead-acid batter inside (probably a "motorcycle" battery. Nowbuy a couple of car batteries...and put them in parallel with the motorcycle battery. Nice idea... if the float charger can hack the current draw of the extra batteries without all the magic smoke leaking out :-) Although, if it's decently designed, it'll be current limited too. Of course, "decently designed" is not as common as I'd like it to be. Nic. -- J. Random Coder sky at wibble dot net -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenneth P. Turvey) Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 03:22:42 -0500 On 03 Jul 2000 19:13:43 -0700, Michael Powe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Kenneth" == Kenneth P Turvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kenneth I think is a very good reason for not allowing majority Kenneth decisions in the most important aspects of our life. The Kenneth whole point of the Bill of Rights (the first ten Kenneth amendments to the US Constitution) is to take away the Kenneth power of the majority to infringe some select rights of Kenneth the minority. This is not correct. The purpose of the BoR was to prevent the government from infringing on the rights of "the people." There are no protections for minorities of any type in the Constitution itself nor in the BoR. Also, remember that in the late 18th C, only about 15% of the population could vote. It was primarily their rights that were being protected. Kenneth The only people protected by the Bill of Rights were Kenneth those that the majority would punish through the normal Kenneth processes outlined in the Constitution. This group of Kenneth people was a minority of the population at large. The Kenneth Bill of Rights protected a large portion of the 85% of Kenneth the population that could not vote as well. It Kenneth specifically did not protect enslaved blacks, but many of Kenneth its protections were afforded women and the landless even Kenneth though they did not have the power to vote. I think you need to check your BoR more closely. It specifically deals only with government actions against the general populace. I don't see any contradiction
Linux-Advocacy Digest #451
Linux-Advocacy Digest #451, Volume #27Tue, 4 Jul 00 11:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: LIE-nux is SUPPOST to destroy data (was: Re: This is a Troll, do not resond
(was Re: Linux is junk)) (Jim Cameron)
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (Jim Cameron)
Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (Jim Cameron)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Jim Cameron)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Jim Cameron)
Re: A hot one (Re: Hardware: ideal budget Linux box?) ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (Gary Hallock)
Re: C# is a copy of java (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: We WANT different enviroments (Was: Linux, easy to use? (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: We WANT different enviroments (Was: Linux, easy to use? (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Uptime 6 months and counting. (John Hasler)
Re: How fast is your text? (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Linux not ready for primetime!!! ! (codifex)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Codifex Maximus)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform ("Christopher Smith")
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform ("Christopher Smith")
Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (Codifex Maximus)
Re: Linux code going down hill (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (Codifex Maximus)
Re: Another CommyLie-nux Commy expoased! (was: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was:
Linux is awesome!) (Phillip Lord)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Cameron)
Subject: Re: LIE-nux is SUPPOST to destroy data (was: Re: This is a Troll, do not
resond (was Re: Linux is junk))
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:38:38 GMT
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Pete Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip) wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
All of the so called problems you have posted on this NG are minor and
could be fixed if you would listen to the responses you get, or,
better yet, post to the technical newsgroups. Problem is you are more
interested in whining than you are fixing problems.
I'm interested in pointing out the fact that Linux has problems, whereas
Windows has less.
No, Linux has less. DOS has a horribly broken attempt at more. Windows
has ... er ... notepad.exe?
(Since we're being pedantic about wording these days, the word you were
looking for is "fewer".)
Oh, and while we're on the subject, what do you mean by "Windows"?
NT? Win98SE? WFW3.11? I'm afraid we can't possibly discuss things in
a sensible fashion until you clarify your definitions.
jim
--
http://madeira.physiol.ucl.ac.uk/people/jim/
"Revenge is an integral part of forgiving and forgetting" -The BOFH
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Cameron)
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 11:10:02 GMT
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Tim Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 03:07:20 GMT, The Ghost In The Machine
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now now, let's not insult the protocol. Even if it does do
Minor niggle, but shurely "API"? X is a protocol.
palettes in a peculiar manner [*], requires that a user register
a window class before actually opening a window, includes unrelated
crap such as "MulDiv()" (), thinks in terms of thunks because of the
32-16 bit backward compatibility and horrible segmenting issues of
the ix86 processor, takes 10 (?) parameters to create a process when
none are really needed, can't handle a hung process properly [+],
doesn't know network transparency from a hole in the wall, is
restricted to at most three processor types (one of which is no
longer officially supported, and the other which is probably better
off running MacOS or Linux :-) ) and is different between WinCE, Win3.1,
Win95, Win98, Win98SE, WinNT3.51, WinNT4, and Win2K. :-)
None of this mattars to the user.
Actually I would dispute that. A consistant, logical and programmer-
friendly API shortens development time and lessens the number of bugs
in released code. A bletcherous, crufty, arbitrary, awkward, badly-
designed and ill-documented API such as, to pick an example completely
at random, Win32, results in late, buggy and bloated applications.
This does matter very much to the user.
Windo's is weal made.
Good one Tim. You mean it makes you come out in a rash?
You must admit, this troll does have his moments.
jim
--
http://madeira.physiol.ucl.ac.uk/people/jim/
"Revenge is an integral part of forgiving and forgetting" -The BOFH
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Cameron)
Subject: Re: I hope you trolls are happy...
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:43:01 GMT
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Pete Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gary Hallock) wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
You've fallen for Pete's trickery. He didn't say Linux, he said UNIX.
Pete wants
Linux-Advocacy Digest #452
Linux-Advocacy Digest #452, Volume #27Tue, 4 Jul 00 12:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: TPC-C Results for W2k revisited. (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Where did all my windows go? (The Ghost In The Machine)
BUFFOON of the YEAR AWARD!!! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Another CommyLie-nux Commy expoased! (was: Re: Richard Stallman's (Charlie
Ebert)
Re: TPC-C Results for W2k revisited. (mlw)
Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (Charlie Ebert)
Re: LIE-nux is SUPPOST to destroy data (was: Re: This is a Troll, do not resond
(was Re: Linux is junk)) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (Charlie Ebert)
Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (Charlie Ebert)
Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform ("Paul Smith")
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform ("Paul Smith")
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: TPC-C Results for W2k revisited.
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 14:52:04 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Truckasaurus [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote on Tue, 04 Jul 2000 11:07:38 GMT 8jsghj$76c$[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
From
Message-ID: 88hj0m$21r3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
"Subject: TPC-C Results for W2k!!
Date: 02/17/2000
Author: John Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Enjoy.
Compaq Proliant 8500-550-96P (W2K Advanced Server, SQL Server 2000)
Cost : $4,341,603
TPC-C Throughput : 227,079.15
Price/Performance : $19.12
Number of Users : 216,000
(...)
http://www.tpc.org/results/individual_results/Compaq/compaq.8500.96P.000
21702.es.pdf
http://www.tpc.org/new_result/c-result1.idc?id=99110201
http://www.tpc.org/new_result/c-result1.idc?id=99092701
http://www.tpc.org/new_result/c-result1.idc?id=99032301"
But where is this fantastic result now???
(http://www.tpc.org/new_result/ttperf.idc)
--
"It's the best $50 bucks I ever spent. I would have paid five
times that for what your 'New You' packet allowed me to do!!!"
-- K. Waterbury, CA
Martin A. Boegelund.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Dunno, but as of 7/4, the top 10 results sorted by
price/performance are all Microsoft.
Rank Company System
tpmC
Price/tpmC
System availability
Database
Operating System
TP Monitor
Date Submitted
The third one down is Win2K:
3 Compaq ProLiant DL-580R-6700
33507
14.09 US $
08/01/00
Microsoft SQL Server 2000
Microsoft Windows 2000
Microsoft COM+
06/23/00
The 9th entry in the results sorted by performance is
also Microsoft:
9 Compaq ProLiant PDC/O2000-6
101657
35.68 US $
03/31/00
Oracle 8i V8.1.6
Microsoft Windows NT Enterprise Edition 4.0
Compaq DB Web Connector
02/11/00
The 10th entry is almost identical, and might be an older model:
10 Compaq PDC/O2000
99274
39.14 US $
03/31/00
Oracle 8i V8.1.6
Microsoft Windows NT Enterprise Edition 4.0
Compaq DB Web Connector
12/23/99
Lest we think all is lost here, the absolute leader in
performance is IBM:
1 IBM Netfinity 8500R c/s
440879
32.28 US $
12/07/00
IBM DB2 UDB 7.1
Microsoft Windows 2000
Microsoft COM+
07/03/00
although it turns out they're *also* using Win2K.
Sigh.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Where did all my windows go?
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 15:07:57 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote on Tue, 04 Jul 2000 07:53:01 GMT 8js54n$vhu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin) wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in 8jri30$hvj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Troll, I was doing it to show you how inacurate and confusing it was
to
use the generic terms. By bitching about how unclear I was being you
have proven MY POINT.
So you now stoop to insults.
By being unclear you have proven my point. If you had used "Active
Directory" I would have understood. But you didn't did you, you said
"active directory". To me, active directory means the current working
directory. That exists on any machine, including Linux.
Pete
So, I could say "Active Directory is broken so MS Windows sucks" is a
fair statement?
Personally, I'd like to know what Active Directory is (is it related
to LDAP, for example? Did Amiga have a similar capability years
and years ago? :-) ), how precisely it is "broken", and why
Windows depends on it. (I don't have Win2K yet, but I suspect
that Active Directory is a system where a process can register
"intent to monitor changes in a directory", and be notified
through some mechanism that a file was created, a file deleted,
a file modified, etc. -- I'm mildly surprised Linux doesn't
have this, although it's not clear how much it buys one, and
a specialized polling file monitor is ridiculously easy
to write anyway. :-) )
Linux-Advocacy Digest #454
Linux-Advocacy Digest #454, Volume #27Tue, 4 Jul 00 14:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: So where ARE all of these supposed Linux users? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: I thought only Windows 98 SE did this! (Bob Hauck)
Re: Ready for Linux ? The "Furniture Scale" (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: LIE-nux is SUPPOST to destroy data (was: Re: This is a Troll, do(Gary
Hallock)
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: A hot one (Re: Hardware: ideal budget Linux box?) ("Gonzo")
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Cihl)
Re: I hope you trolls are happy... ("Rich C")
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Cihl)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: So where ARE all of these supposed Linux users?
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 17:28:51 GMT
But how many people are actually USING Linux?
I have some 15 different distributions/versions on my shelf and use
none of them.
Trying Linux and sticking with Linux are two completely different
things.
simon
On Tue, 04 Jul 2000 16:11:29 GMT, Charlie Ebert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
"R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:28:28 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(JEDIDIAH)
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 22:46:23 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They don't have to...
Win2k, even WITHOUT advocating STILL has a far higher market share
than Linsux
...an interesting assertion considering that Microsoft
itself is discouraging it's use as a general purpose
desktop OS.
Whatever. The fact remains that it still has far more marekt share
than Linsux...
Check the scoreboard. Microsoft just announced that they have
sold or given away 3 million copies of Windows 2000 including upgrades.
In the past 12 months.
Red Hat sold 3 million copies,
No boys and girls,,, this is 3.
SuSE sold about 4 million (much of it in Europe).
Now it is 3 + 4 = 7
Caldera is a bit behind at 1 million.
Now it is 7 + 1 = 8
Mandrake sold about 4 million copies (primarily U.S.)
Now it is 8 + 4 = 12
Corel sold about 2 million copies.
Now it is 12 + 2 = 14
Turbo Linux sold about 4 million copies (mostly Asia).
Now it is 14 + 4 = 18
Debian sold about 1/2 million copies.
Now it is .5 + 18 = 18.5 + Rex's missing downloads rounding to at least
19.
Thanks Rex
FreeBSD sold about 1 million copies.
Non Linux but okay.
and OpenBSD sold about 1 million copies.
Ditto.
(though FreeBSD and OpenBSD aren't actually "Linux", they share
the same software application and library base).
This puts Linux at nearly 20 million copies.
And this is a god damn conservative figure Rex.
What about the other 75 some odd linux distributions.
Then we have to factor in the old kodgers who UPGRADE
only when the blue fin turle mates on the north pole
There are still masses of individuals who are still runing the first
version of
slackware.
Let me give you another GOOD one which isn't even included in these
simple statistics.
Compaq, Dell, Gateway, and others sell machines direct.
Their installs are not included in these figures.
Between all of them we have 49,000,000 servers sold in 1999.
On 50 % of their servers you found Linux installed.
And of the desktops Linux still sold around 4-5 million with
the big computer manufacturers.
So if we took 24 million and added them to the 20 million above,
all we have left are the millions of downloads they don't even
account for.
Rex,
Just about everybody in my club downloads new versions of Linux.
People will buy maybe 3 -4 copies of Linux and then not buy anymore
for 2-3 years. They just download.
So we have 44 million sold, and an X number of downloads.
I will say the X is 25 million easy.
This is based on a combination of official sales figures
reported by public companies, and market share claimed
competitors.
The figures may be slightly out of date, and are based on
"hype".
--
Rex Ballard - Open Source Advocate, Internet
I/T Architect, MIS Director
http://www.open4success.com
Linux - 90 million satisfied users worldwide
This figure is simply too low Rex.
There is NO-WAY you will ever convince me that
there is only 90 million Linux users.
If we have already figured 65 million people accessing NEW
software in 1999, then how can we justify the 90 million.
It's a well known statistic that many Linux users are on older
machines and do not want to upgrade
And there are a pile of older machines out there.
Conservatively speaking Rex, I will ball park the Linux
encampment at 150,000,000 users easy.
and growing at over 5%/month!
Even you agree. At 5% a year you can't stay at the same old 90,000,000
user
statistics forever.
You have run this for I'm guessing 2 years now Rex.
Charlie
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: I thought only
Linux-Advocacy Digest #453
Linux-Advocacy Digest #453, Volume #27Tue, 4 Jul 00 14:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: So where ARE all of these supposed Linux users? (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451729 ("Rich C")
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Another CommyLie-nux Commy expoased! (was: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was:
Linux is awesome!) (phil hunt)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (phil hunt)
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Charlie Ebert)
Re: I thought only Windows 98 SE did this! (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (void)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform ("Christopher Smith")
Re: Where did all my windows go? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux code going down hill (Timothy Murphy)
Re: Linux code going down hill (abraxas)
Re: BUFFOON of the YEAR AWARD!!! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
From: Charlie Ebert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: So where ARE all of these supposed Linux users?
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 16:11:29 GMT
"R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:28:28 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(JEDIDIAH)
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 22:46:23 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They don't have to...
Win2k, even WITHOUT advocating STILL has a far higher market share
than Linsux
...an interesting assertion considering that Microsoft
itself is discouraging it's use as a general purpose
desktop OS.
Whatever. The fact remains that it still has far more marekt share
than Linsux...
Check the scoreboard. Microsoft just announced that they have
sold or given away 3 million copies of Windows 2000 including upgrades.
In the past 12 months.
Red Hat sold 3 million copies,
No boys and girls,,, this is 3.
SuSE sold about 4 million (much of it in Europe).
Now it is 3 + 4 = 7
Caldera is a bit behind at 1 million.
Now it is 7 + 1 = 8
Mandrake sold about 4 million copies (primarily U.S.)
Now it is 8 + 4 = 12
Corel sold about 2 million copies.
Now it is 12 + 2 = 14
Turbo Linux sold about 4 million copies (mostly Asia).
Now it is 14 + 4 = 18
Debian sold about 1/2 million copies.
Now it is .5 + 18 = 18.5 + Rex's missing downloads rounding to at least
19.
Thanks Rex
FreeBSD sold about 1 million copies.
Non Linux but okay.
and OpenBSD sold about 1 million copies.
Ditto.
(though FreeBSD and OpenBSD aren't actually "Linux", they share
the same software application and library base).
This puts Linux at nearly 20 million copies.
And this is a god damn conservative figure Rex.
What about the other 75 some odd linux distributions.
Then we have to factor in the old kodgers who UPGRADE
only when the blue fin turle mates on the north pole
There are still masses of individuals who are still runing the first
version of
slackware.
Let me give you another GOOD one which isn't even included in these
simple statistics.
Compaq, Dell, Gateway, and others sell machines direct.
Their installs are not included in these figures.
Between all of them we have 49,000,000 servers sold in 1999.
On 50 % of their servers you found Linux installed.
And of the desktops Linux still sold around 4-5 million with
the big computer manufacturers.
So if we took 24 million and added them to the 20 million above,
all we have left are the millions of downloads they don't even
account for.
Rex,
Just about everybody in my club downloads new versions of Linux.
People will buy maybe 3 -4 copies of Linux and then not buy anymore
for 2-3 years. They just download.
So we have 44 million sold, and an X number of downloads.
I will say the X is 25 million easy.
This is based on a combination of official sales figures
reported by public companies, and market share claimed
competitors.
The figures may be slightly out of date, and are based on
"hype".
--
Rex Ballard - Open Source Advocate, Internet
I/T Architect, MIS Director
http://www.open4success.com
Linux - 90 million satisfied users worldwide
This figure is simply too low Rex.
There is NO-WAY you will ever convince me that
there is only 90 million Linux users.
If we have already figured 65 million people accessing NEW
software in 1999, then how can we justify the 90 million.
It's a well known statistic that many Linux users are on older
machines and do not want to upgrade
And there are a pile of older machines out there.
Conservatively speaking Rex, I will ball park the Linux
encampment at 150,000,000 users easy.
and growing at over 5%/month!
Even you agree. At 5% a year you can't stay at the same old 90,000,000
user
statistics forever.
You have run this
Linux-Advocacy Digest #455
Linux-Advocacy Digest #455, Volume #27Tue, 4 Jul 00 15:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: C# is a copy of java (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: So where ARE all of these supposed Linux users? (Daniel Tryba)
Re: Uptime 6 months and counting. ("Rich C")
Re: Linux code going down hill (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Peter Ammon)
Re: Which Linux should I try? (OSguy)
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: LIE-nux is SUPPOST to destroy data (was: Re: This is a Troll, do (Charlie
Ebert)
Re: LIE-nux is SUPPOST to destroy data (was: Re: This is a Troll, do(Charlie
Ebert)
Re: LIE-nux is SUPPOST to destroy data (was: Re: This is a Troll, do (Charlie
Ebert)
Re: Which Linux should I try? (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451729 (Charlie Ebert)
Re: WINDOWS! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Which Linux should I try? (Charlie Ebert)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: C# is a copy of java
Date: 4 Jul 2000 13:03:22 -0500
In article 8jsmij$sp$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Donal K. Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
mlw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Besides, is there life without pointers?
Yes, provided you've got references[*] instead. (Refs are like
pointers, but without the ability to do arithmetic on them. Pointer
math leads to *pain*...)
You mean you don't like:
char *foo="abcd"; foo[2];
and
"abcd"[2];
and
2["abcd"];
to all mean the same thing?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
From: Daniel Tryba [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: So where ARE all of these supposed Linux users?
Date: 4 Jul 2000 18:09:53 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: But how many people are actually USING Linux?
: I have some 15 different distributions/versions on my shelf and use
: none of them.
: Trying Linux and sticking with Linux are two completely different
: things.
I have 3 windowslicense sitting in the attic somewhere.
Buying windows (maybe preinstalled on a new machine) and
sticking to it are 2 completely different things.
--
Daniel Tryba
--
From: "Rich C" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Uptime 6 months and counting.
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:12:35 -0400
"Aaron Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Rich C wrote:
[snip]
You said you did destructive stress testing for _what_ company? :o)
All decently-built battery backups have these things called
circuit breakers.
And the purpose of popping the breaker would be..???
--
Rich C.
"Because light travels faster than sound, many people appear to be
intelligent, until you hear them speak."
--
From: Charlie Ebert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux code going down hill
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 18:14:46 GMT
"Joseph T. Adams" wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: Well, solving technical issues was not really the point of
: the post. I can trace down and fix the problems easily
: enough except for the lack of maintaining the man pages.
: The issue is why use an OS without centralizing source
: control and testing when there are free Unix-compatible
: implementations available that do have these critical
: elements?
You might be happier with FreeBSD.
Also, some Linux distributions, such as Debian, pay considerably more
attention to careful testing than others, particularly those that
deliberately try to be on the "bleeding edge" such as Mandrake.
Joe
Let me just add to this.
I've used FreeBSD and I think it's just dynamite.
I have nothing to say bad about FreeBSD, in-fact,
believe Debian is going to base a distribution on the
FreeBSD kernel in the near future from what I've heard.
And then there's FreeBSD's kernel being used by the
Mac people in their new OS.
FreeBSD may even be used to replace the Windows
Kernel in the near future.
Or they might use Linux.
I will say that FreeBSD is several times faster than Linux.
But FreeBSD doesn't support the hardware that Linux does.
Let me also say that I've tried FreeBSD against Linux in the past
and FreeBSD walked away from Linux.
But in todays 2.4 kernel environment, the difference between 4.0
BSD and the 2.4 kernel is not as great. Linux is catching up.
Let me also add that I decided to install Mandrake 7.1 on a hard drive
and I'm using it. It has native Reiser support just like Suse.
It has kernel support built in for Ultra 66. They did away with Lilo
in favor of another boot loader.
And when I compare what works with Mandrake 7.1 against Windows 2000,
you can see the support of the peripherals is better with Mandrake than
Windows. The file system, the Ultra Drivers actually use the cards
cache,
the DVD works, USB is usable.
Linux-Advocacy Digest #457
Linux-Advocacy Digest #457, Volume #27Tue, 4 Jul 00 16:13:06 EDT Contents: Re: Where did all my windows go? (Pete Goodwin) Re: Uptime 6 months and counting. (Aaron Kulkis) Re: Where did all my windows go? (Pete Goodwin) Re: LIE-nux is SUPPOST to destroy data (was: Re: This is a Troll, do not resond (was Re: Linux is junk)) (Leslie Mikesell) Re: C# is a copy of java (Aaron Kulkis) Re: I thought only Windows 98 SE did this! (Pete Goodwin) Re: Where did all my windows go? (abraxas) Re: I thought only Windows 98 SE did this! (Pete Goodwin) Re: Why Linux, and X.11 when MacOS 'X' is around the corner? (Jan Knutar) Re: LIE-nux is SUPPOST to destroy data (was: Re: This is a Troll, do not resond (was Re: Linux is junk)) (Leslie Mikesell) Re: Which Linux should I try? (Nico Coetzee) It's not Commie to dethrone kings (Laura Goodwin) Re: LIE-nux is SUPPOST to destroy data (was: Re: This is a Troll, donot resond (was Re: Linux is junk)) (Pete Goodwin) Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (Aaron Kulkis) Re: LIE-nux is SUPPOST to destroy data (was: Re: This is a Troll, donot resond (was Re: Linux is junk)) (Pete Goodwin) Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (Aaron Kulkis) Re: Why Linux, and X.11 when MacOS 'X' is around the corner? (Aaron Kulkis) Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Leslie Mikesell) Re: LIE-nux is SUPPOST to destroy data (was: Re: This is a Troll, do not resond (was Re: Linux is junk)) (Pete Goodwin) Re: LIE-nux is SUPPOST to destroy data (was: Re: This is a Troll, do not resond (was Re: Linux is junk)) (Pete Goodwin) Subject: Re: Where did all my windows go? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 19:37:30 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cihl) wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hey, Pete. Keep your shirt on, dude! We're working on it! (Uh, i mean the KDE-team is working on it) Faster! Faster! They didn't build Rome in one day either, you know. Have you seen KDE2 yet? Really much cooler than the old KDE, and much more userintuifriendlytive, too. It's exactly 9 weeks away until release. Get some screenshots at the kde.org and kde.com sites, if you're not just a Wintroll, that is. ;-) Yeah I had a look. Looks groovy! I think 'lagging behind' is not the right thing to say here. It suggests that Linux will never catch up to Windows, but i'd say that's not true at all, looking at the progress we've made in the past year. Linux is *quickly* gaining on Windows, so i'd like to call it 'catching up to' instead. Ok catching up then. Pete -- From: Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux Subject: Re: Uptime 6 months and counting. Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 15:38:32 -0400 Nic wrote: Aaron Kulkis wrote: Unfortunately, they are rather pricy friends when you are dealing with 10 or so machines --- and while the mass-reboot every month or two is inconvenient, it still doesn't waste *that* many CPU cycles that buying a new machine instead of the UPS wouldn't result in a net benefit. Here's what you do. Open it up...you will find a 12.7V lead-acid batter inside (probably a "motorcycle" battery. Nowbuy a couple of car batteries...and put them in parallel with the motorcycle battery. Nice idea... if the float charger can hack the current draw of the extra batteries without all the magic smoke leaking out :-) Although, if it's decently designed, it'll be current limited too. Of course, "decently designed" is not as common as I'd like it to be. Most *power* devices are waa over-built. Nic. -- J. Random Coder sky at wibble dot net -- Aaron R. Kulkis Unix Systems Engineer ICQ # 3056642 H: Knackos...you're a retard. A: The wise man is mocked by fools. B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort. C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction that she doesn't like. D: Jet claims to have killfiled me. E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup ...despite (D) above. F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a response until their behavior improves. G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn. -- Subject: Re: Where did all my windows go? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 19:38:34 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert) wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Your feeble attempt at patronising me not withstanding, Charlie, I read that book cover to cover. Pete -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) Subject: Re: LIE-nux is SUPPOST to destroy data (was: Re: This is a Troll, do not resond (was Re: Linux is junk)) Date: 4 Jul 2000 14:38:27 -0500 In article
Linux-Advocacy Digest #456
Linux-Advocacy Digest #456, Volume #27Tue, 4 Jul 00 16:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Which Linux should I try? ("Joe Kiser")
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux code going down hill (Aaron Kulkis)
[OT] intuitive (was Re: Hardware: ideal budget Linux box? (Re: I'm Ready! I'm
ready! I'm not ready.)) (Jonadab the Unsightly One)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: [OT] intuitive (was Re: Hardware: ideal budget Linux box? (Re: I'm (Aaron
Kulkis)
Re: Uptime 6 months and counting. (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Uptime 6 months and counting. (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Uptime 6 months and counting. (Aaron Kulkis)
Subject: Re: I hope you trolls are happy...
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 19:10:23 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Codifex Maximus) wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
While I haven't been to alt.os.linux.mandrake, I'm sure there is an army
of people there helping that army of people who need help.
At the moment there's confusion as many people say "it works for me" and
just as many say "not for me".
Pete
--
From: "Joe Kiser" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Which Linux should I try?
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:15:16 -0400
"Charlie Ebert" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
You can try them all. It's cheap.
For the price you'd pay for ONE copy of Windows 2000, you can have a copy
of all those mentioned PLUS debian.
I paid three dollars.
--
Subject: Re: Where did all my windows go?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 19:17:33 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in 8js6lj$lv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
No, he is NOT! Linux is an OS kernel and KDE is a Unix desktop Developed
by DIFFERENT people, though cooperating they are INDEPENDENT of each
other. The Linux (being a KERNEL) servers an different function than KDE
the desktop. Linux CAN and does run WITHOUT KDE and KDE can and DOES run
without Linux. They are independent of each other! I would submit a
Linux bug to the Linux development team and a KDE to the KDE
development team!
Avtually I was referring to calling it a lie, not KDE bug = Linux bug.
Using your logic, any application that RUNS on Windows that has a bug
means that Windows has that bug! after all, KDE is only an APPLICATION
that runs on Linux!
See above.
Did you check the logs You claim an absolute! that means that there
can be NO error recorded ANY where! Or were you just being unclear
again??? Being so unclear that I could say "if there was no error, how
did the application crash?"
Yep, checked the logs. No error reported. No indication that kfm crashed.
What's that got to do with the computer that meets *MY* needs??? windows
lags FAR, FAR behind in the FLEXIBILITY that I need! You claimed an
absolute again when you claimed that Linux is lagging behind Windows.
(what windows? 3.1??? you're unclear again) You must now prove that
Linux lags behind EVERY VERSION of windows in EVERY situation. Not
flashing an error message if trivial compared to what it takes to run on
- Alpha's, 390's, macs, Intel, SGI. Windows (ALL VERSIONS) lags behind
here! Super computers??? Going to Linux or Unix windows (all versions)
lag behinde here!!! So your statement that "Linux is lagging behind
windows" is FALSE and MISLEADING!
Blimey, if you carry on like that, you'll burst a blood vessel. Calm down.
Would it help if I qualified my statement? As in:
"The Linux desktop lags behind Windows"
Is that better?
wow how nice of you!
Yes aren't I just.
Pete, Are you going for the troll of the year award???
Are you going for the insult of the year award? Stop calling me troll and
maybe I'll stop using "Linux" so casually.
Pete
--
Subject: Re: Where did all my windows go?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 19:18:51 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi) wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hear! Hear!
Pete
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From: Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux code going down hill
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 15:22:42 -0400
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
Quoting abraxas from comp.os.linux.advocacy; 2 Jul 2000 13:22:47 GMT
[...]
Solaris is an exceedingly specialized UNIX, linux is not UNIX at
all. Linux is 'gnu-nux'.
Obviously a matter of perspective as well as opinion. I think AIX might
count as a "specialized Unix", but I think you'd have to go to terminal
AIX is a BSD-derived product that was written "to the letter" of
POSIX compliance, but certainly not the spirit of same.
It's ENTIRE purpose was to achieve customer lock-in, specifically
through the use of
Linux-Advocacy Digest #458
Linux-Advocacy Digest #458, Volume #27Tue, 4 Jul 00 17:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: LIE-nux is SUPPOST to destroy data (was: Re: This is a Troll, do (Gary
Hallock)
Re: It's not Commie to dethrone kings (Cihl)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Linux code going down hill (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: So where ARE all of these supposed Linux users? (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Just a thought of something missing (Cihl)
Re: Linux code going down hill (Gary Hallock)
Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (Cihl)
Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451729 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux code going down hill ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Uptime 6 months and counting. ("Brian")
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 16:14:11 -0400
From: Gary Hallock [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: LIE-nux is SUPPOST to destroy data (was: Re: This is a Troll, do
Pete Goodwin wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gary Hallock) wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
You are the only one that has hit these problems and they have not been
able to be reproduced by anyone.
That doesn't mean they don't exist.
No, but then it means you have a very unusual copy of Linux.
"For instance, you have two kfm processes running. You want to copy the
text from one t'other. CTRl-C CTRL-V is
a standard key sequence (no, it wasn't created by Windows!) and kfm
doesn't
recognise it. Even clicking on the
buttons doesn't work!"
This is a lie.
Um, well, the X way of copy paste works but CTRL-C CTRL-V doesn't. I fail
to see why you call this a lie.
Because CTRL-C CTRL-V DOES work. At least for everyone besides you.
"Linux KDE doesn't even have drag to application,
sheesh!"
This is a lie.
It is? Can I drag a file from kfm to Netscape. Um, by default, it doesn't
work. Someone pointed that it can be made to work.
Yes you can. I'm sorry you copy of Linux is so screwed up.
"Really. Still have your hands over your ears I see.
Drag a file from kfm, drag it to Netscape.
What happens?
Nothing."
This is a lie.
See above.
See above.
I specifically asked you what you meant by KDE Explorer. You never
responded. I can't believe you couldn't figure out what the program is
called. I just downloaded a copy to check it out. Click on Help.
The menu that pops up has three choices - Contents, About kruiser, About
KDE. That might give you a clue. Click on Contents. Up pops "The
Kruiser Handbook".Go back to Help-About kruiser. It says version
0.4. By convention, fractional releases are beta. That should give
you a clue that it might not be meant for general consumption.
It was installed on the KDE menu as "KDE Windows explorer", so naturally I
assumed it was something like kexplorer. I had no idea that it was kruiser.
It took me a while to figure it out, because I couldn't believe other
people hadn't even heard of it.
At lot of things seem to be beta on Linux. smbfs is one, apparently.
kruiser is another. What the hell is a distro like Mandrake 7.1 doing
shipping beta code? Probably to make up for the lack of applications on
Linux, I guess.
Kruiser is not part of the standard KDE distribution. I had never heard of it
before. There are all sorts of programs available for Linux. Some good,
some not so good. You are blaming KDE and Linux for some beta third party
program.
What? What do you think JFS is? You said UNIX filesystems and JFS IS
a UNIX fliesystem. Or are you now claiming that Linux is UNIX but AIX
is not UNIX?
And what do you think ext2fs is? Is it not a UNIX filesystem? Is JFS _all_
the filing systems on every UNIX system out there?
No JFS is not all file systems for UNIX, but neither is ext2fs. Your claim
that UNIX file systems can't handle a power outage is just plain wrong,
because it implies that there are no UNIX file systems that can handle a power
outage. In this day and age, most can.
Your problem is that you never ask how to do something. Instead if it
doesn't behave just like Windows or if you can't figure it out, you make
outrageous claims that Linux or KDE has a problem or is limited in some
feature. You whole attitude toward Linux is one that is going to get you
flamed.
Gary
--
From: Cihl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: It's not Commie to dethrone kings
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 20:16:39 GMT
Laura Goodwin wrote:
=
I just had to say that. :)
=
(I'm now dual-booting Win98 SE and Definite Linux 7.0)
=
--
Laura Goodwin
=
"Pain is fleeting, glory is forever.
Remember: scars are sexy."
Hey, i'm curious. Which peripherals did you get to work? I mean, with
your Windows-hardware and all.
-- =
=A8I live!=A8
=A8I hunger!=A8
=A8Run, coward!=A8
-- The Sinistar
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Linux-Advocacy Digest #460
Linux-Advocacy Digest #460, Volume #27Tue, 4 Jul 00 20:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (Gary Hallock) Re: Linux code going down hill (Gary Hallock) Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (Pete Goodwin) Re: I thought only Windows 98 SE did this! (Pete Goodwin) Re: Linux code going down hill (Leslie Mikesell) Re: Where did all my windows go? (Donovan Rebbechi) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 18:13:47 -0400 From: Gary Hallock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: I hope you trolls are happy... Pete Goodwin wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron Kulkis) wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Every major version of Unix now has a journaled filesystem available. It can't guarantee that you will have everything written to disk up to the very last second...but it WILL guarantee that filesystem corruption from crashes are now a thing of the past. So things have changed. Yeh, for at least a decade. Like I said before, you have zero experience with modern versions of Unix and so have no business making statements as if you do. Gary -- Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 18:18:45 -0400 From: Gary Hallock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux code going down hill abraxas wrote: How can you move from VM on an S/390 to linux on an S/390 and lose EBCDIC? I dont see much of a point of running linux on pure S/390 hardware with no intermediary management system (VM)...Unless its one of those new little dual G6s. Does that even work? -yttrx VM doesn't really care what encoding the guest OS uses. The hardware does really care for the most part. There are some instructions that might have problems with ASCII but the compiler can handle that. Gary -- Subject: Re: I hope you trolls are happy... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 22:21:54 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gary Hallock) wrote in 3962619A.1094FF71 @attglobal.net: Yeh, for at least a decade. Like I said before, you have zero experience with modern versions of Unix and so have no business making statements as if you do. Such a generalisation is amazing. So you can happily discount anything I say as "you don't know what you're talking about". Well, that's a nice defence against ever paying any attention to me - you know, I might actually have a point? But it's lost on you because you generalise. Pete -- Subject: Re: I thought only Windows 98 SE did this! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 22:28:07 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) wrote in 8jtjg8$12qp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]: If you have a server running all the time, you can configure it as a primary DNS server for your local domain (which can be fictitious) and otherwise either be a plain caching server or slave to your ISP's. That way all local machines can always use this as their resolver. You can run a dhcp server here too for your local net if you sometimes plug in a laptop or often reconfigure your other machines. I don't need DNS, all the names are in /etc/hosts. I don't need DHCP, all the addresses are in /etc/hosts. What you are suggesting seems awfully complex for a two node system. I could understand it if I were running a larger system permanently connected to the internet, but I'm not. With a stable server in place, you could use fetchmail to gather your mail from the remote pop server(s) and deliver locally to a Linux mailbox - then you could access it via IMAP from any of the machines (Outlook/Netscape on windows, Netscape/Pine/others on Linux) You can create multiple folders on the server and all are accessable from any client. You can even drag messages you have already downloaded back into an IMAP inbox. Ah I begin to see what you're getting at. It's not really something I want to do just yet. If I ever decide Linux is worth switching to, then I might. However, since my favourite application isn't there yet (Kylix), I'm still evaluating Linux. Pete -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) Subject: Re: Linux code going down hill Date: 4 Jul 2000 17:27:09 -0500 In article 8jtm75$gn1$[EMAIL PROTECTED], abraxas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you happen to have any experience with mysql under freebsd? I sort-of inherited a box running apache and mod_perl with a mysql backend under freebsd and periodically it locked up with mysql never finishing it's queries even though normally they complete very quickly. Also top always shows mysqld consuming some CPU time even if it isn't doing much. I moved the myqsl to a Linux box and everything was fine with no other changes (start-up options are the same in both cases). I tried building exactly the same version of mysql on the freebsd box and putting it back, but still had the same problem. Any ideas? Were the versions of everything identical
Linux-Advocacy Digest #462
Linux-Advocacy Digest #462, Volume #27Tue, 4 Jul 00 21:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux code going down hill (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Charlie Ebert)
Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (Charlie Ebert)
Re: I thought only Windows 98 SE did this! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: I thought only Windows 98 SE did this! (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Hyman Rosen)
Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (Michael Marion)
Re: I thought only Windows 98 SE did this! (Michael Marion)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Hyman Rosen)
Re: I thought only Windows 98 SE did this! (Michael Marion)
Re: I thought only Windows 98 SE did this! (Michael Marion)
Re: I had a reality check today :( (Tim Palmer)
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (Tim Palmer)
Re: I had a reality check today :( (Tim Palmer)
Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (Tim Palmer)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Linux code going down hill
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 23:10:47 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, abraxas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote on 4 Jul 2000 21:49:27 GMT 8jtm57$gn1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Gary Hallock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Aaron Kulkis wrote:
Customer lock-in is what IBM is all about. That's why their
mainframe systems are the ONLY ones in the world using EBCDIC
rather than ASCII...
That's why (well, one reason) I'm moving from VM/CMS to Linux for
S/390 - no more EBCDIC.
How can you move from VM on an S/390 to linux on an S/390 and lose EBCDIC?
Who says we've lost it? :-)
dd conv=ascii if=ebcdic_file of=ascii_file
dd conv=ebcdic if=ascii_file of=ebcdic_file
dd conv=ibm if=ascii_file of=ebcdic2_file (different mapping?)
[snip]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- dd. It slices, it dices, it chops, it slops, it
even does julienne fries! :-)
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From: Charlie Ebert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Where did all my windows go?
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 00:10:05 GMT
Subject:
A pinch of bullshit. In Pete's own words.
Pete Goodwin wrote:
Sniping {}
Yes it is. I'm conversing with a 13 year old again.
Uhuh. So you can't deal with reality, eh, Charlie. You have to invent an
excuse. "This guy doesn't agree with, therefore he must be a thirteen year
old". Oh yeah, that explains everything.
Yeah, I think that explains everything Pete.
Ohhh, you've bitched about more than that Pete.
You've made statements about Windows 95, Windows 3.11, Dos even.
You've said NT wasn't as good as 2000.
I've never mentioned Windows 3.11.
I've rarely mentioned DOS.
Okay. So you have mentioned 95, and NT then.
Can't remember talking about 98 SE then? Or perhaps
you don't want to reference it because I didn't.
That's extremely convinent.
What haven't you hit?
What are you hitting right now Charlie?
I'm hitting on the fact that your totally full of bullshit.
SNIP{}
It shares nothing in common with NT. OF course you know this being
a Windows programmer. You have the lastest API kit from them don't you?
Well, it has the WIN32 API. It shares that in common with NT. It has SYS
style device drivers, and the new WDM device drivers, some of it is NT
technology.
How interesting. Pete, I was wondering...
Do you really feel all the people on COLA are brainless assholes?
It's building from the past. They don't just THROW the past away and
start from the ground floor up.
Sometimes a complete rewrite is a good idea.
That's why most of the things NT used to do for us don't work
under 2000. Simple things like com port support.
Just look at the API calls. The comments in your API development kid.
You know, that thing you buy with 13 CD's in it Pete!
Funny how 100% of the API calls in NT are still there in Windows 2000.
Part of the reason many calls wouldn't work anymore Pete was
due to their changing the programming interfaces.
Others on newer technology didn't work as their OS wasn't debugged
thoroughly.
Again, do you feel we are all brainless assholes here on COLA?
SNIP {}
More people have heard of Microsoft and Windows then they have of
Hitler these days.
Comparing Microsoft to Hitler is really stretching it a bit Charlie.
I found it very entertaining that you would make the physical connection
with Hitler and Microsoft Pete. I merely said more people have heard
of Microsoft than Hitler. Didn't say a damn thing about Microsoft
being Hitler
You did.
The billions in sales do account for something? Don't they?
Yep.
What of committement toward the customer? They've never had that.
Oh its there. It's kinda hard to find it sometimes, but its there.
Indeed. Microsoft support is hard to find...
But this seems to be your chief
Linux-Advocacy Digest #463
Linux-Advocacy Digest #463, Volume #27Tue, 4 Jul 00 22:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (Tim Palmer) From: Tim Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: I hope you trolls are happy... Date: 4 Jul 2000 21:08:20 -0500 On 3 Jul 2000 12:56:01 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 03 Jul 2000 01:56:20 -0400, Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Worst-case Unix-scenario vs. Everyday LoseDOS scenario... You really shouldn't call Windows LoseDOS. After all, it's Linux, not Windows, that allows you to lose DOS. ;) Yea and it still make you tipe command. -- Microsoft. How do you want to lose your data today? -- ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.advocacy) via: Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: ftp.funet.fipub/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Advocacy Digest **
Linux-Advocacy Digest #464
Linux-Advocacy Digest #464, Volume #27Tue, 4 Jul 00 22:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: M$ is evil - WAS: Re: So where ARE all of these Linux users? (Charlie Ebert) From: Charlie Ebert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: M$ is evil - WAS: Re: So where ARE all of these Linux users? Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 01:16:09 GMT "R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: billy ball wrote: On 19 Jun 2000 02:36:12 GMT, Joseph T. Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Colin R. Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : : So where are all of these folks? : : In every important business in the world, for starters. : Including Microsoft. : Is Microsoft an important business? I guess it depends how you define "business," but assuming Microsoft can be considered at least in part a business, not merely a criminal organization, To be fair, Microsoft isn't necessarily a criminal organization. Several of it's top executives committed criminal acts, but they believed that they had done nothing wrong. Well, I see guy's on T.V. who've been shot or shot at somebody and they felt they did nothing wrong either. Nixon did nothing wrong. Clinton did nothing wrong. OJ did nothing wrong. Rodney did nothing wrong La-di-da! The Justice department doesn't just break up corporations because they need the ego KICK. There are REASONS. Bill Gates is the victim of his own paranoid delusions in which he sincerely believes that he could have his 97% market share control of all desktops (Including Macs), decimated by Linux and UNIX in as little as 2 years. To be Bill Gates and not be paranoid of Linux does not compute to me. If I were Bill Gates, I'd cash in all my chips and go buy an Island to retire on. As a Linux advocate, I'd love it if he was right. But even if my 90 million number (admittedly the largest estimate offered by anybody), were accurate, it would still take 3 years at 200% growth to have parity with Microsoft. You aren't thinking here. In reality, there are fewer than 10 million full-time Linux/UNIX machines, and there are over 600 million Microsoft users. At 200% growth per annum, you'd have 30 million in 2001, 90 million in 2002, 270 million in 2003, and 750 million in 2004. If Microsoft continues to grow it's market at 20%/annum they'd have 720 million in 2001, 864 million in 2002, 1 billion in 2003, and 1.3 billion in 2004. This would give Linux just over 30% of the market in 2004. This would be accurate for Microsoft if you were ONLY counting commercial accounts. The typical PC homeowner will not be able to afford Microsoft past 2004 due to the rapid increases in the cost of the Operating system plus the cost to upgrade all their applications. It it upgrade cost! This is the issue. I could give a flip less if they had twice the number today. It's already cheaper for most organizations to do business by buying a mainframe than to buy into Windows as we speak. Obviously, the best market growth areas would be India (1 billion people), China (1.3 billion), Africa (.5 billion), South America (.7 billion), and secondary systems (the ability to run multiple systems from a single console, resulting in 2:1 or 3:1 machine:user ratios). And here we get back to that dreaded cost issue again. Then we see Linux being endorced by overseas government's such as Germany and France, even Great Britian. These governments want to control costs and improve quality. The United Nations will not be passing out an endorsement for Microsoft in the near future. They have to Linux however. There are 6 billion people on the planet and that is growing at the rate of 250 million people per year. If we eventually reach the same degree of parity in other countries as we have in the U.S. (average 1 machine per 1.2 people). Furthermore, with the ability to produce cheaper machines, Linux may be able to reach markets that Microsoft can't, Linux has already established a product for international markets, and Linux can provide service to multiple machines through a single console (and provide service to multiple users as well). No maybe's too it. its market capitalization and the prominence of several of its products do qualified it as being quite important. Unfortunately, this is true at several levels. Many mutual funds, used to protect the retirement savings of most of the baby boomers and their parents, are heavily vested in Microsoft. There are nearly $200 billion invested in Microsoft, and another $1 trillion in Microsoft dependent ventures. People win and loose in the Market place everyday! I don't base which OS I use based on what happens to the stock market. Microsoft is under pressure to sustain 20% earnings growth rate, in a market that has, up to
Linux-Advocacy Digest #465
Linux-Advocacy Digest #465, Volume #27Tue, 4 Jul 00 23:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Which Linux should I try? (cpliu)
Re: Linux beats Win2k yet again! ("Joe Kiser")
Re: Where did all my windows go? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Where did all my windows go? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Which Linux should I try? (cpliu)
Re: 10 Linux "features" nobody cares about.
Re: Uptime 6 months and counting. ("Rich C")
Re: Haakmat digest, volume 2451730 (Pascal Haakmat)
Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (Gary Hallock)
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Which Linux should I try? (OSguy)
Re: Linux code going down hill (Gary Hallock)
Re: LIE-nux is SUPPOST to destroy data (was: Re: This is a Troll, do (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Linux code going down hill (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: So where ARE all of these supposed Linux users? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform ("Shock Boy")
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform ("Shock Boy")
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform ("Shock Boy")
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform ("Shock Boy")
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (cpliu)
Subject: Re: Which Linux should I try?
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 01:22:49 GMT
Thank you all for the suggestions and pointers.
Avoid Corel Linux!
I just downloaded yesterday. Can you give me specifics why shouldn't I
try it? I probably will start with Mandrake 7.1.
Thanks,
cpliu
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From: "Joe Kiser" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2k yet again!
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:25:03 -0400
"Jens Prüfer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Hi folks,
just felt like sharing this one. According to
http://www.spec.org/osg/web99/results/res2000q2
Linux leads the "fastest Web Server" list by far. A quad-CPU Dell server
with 8 GB RAM running Linux and the TUX threaded web server 1.0 is more
than 2.5 times faster than Win2k running Microshaft IIS on the same
hardware (4200 vs. 1598)! The second fastest server is an IBM RS/6000
7026-M80 with 8 processors, 24 GB of RAM running the Zeus webserver
3.3.5
Where are the BSDs and Solaris? Not a flame, just a question...
--
- Joe Kiser
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.mindspring.com/~joekiser/
"I walk the Earth, another day.
The wicked one, that comes this way.
Savior to my own.
Devil to some.
Mankind falls, Something Wicked Comes."
-Iced Earth
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Where did all my windows go?
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 01:18:30 GMT
The bottom line is you are claiming that Linux lags behind with the user
inerface. I beleive that it is MS that lags behind. With MS, you are
stuck with one interface and no real choice! While with Linux you have a
choice! I can choose what Xserver I use, xfree or one of the commercial
versions. I can choose my desktop, from native X to the likes of KDE,
Gnome or CDE. I can even run WITHOUT a GUI if that is what *MY NEEDS*
are at the time! man, what flexibility, what power! With MS you get one
interface, if that does not meet your needs or you do not like it,
you're screwed! MS has a Long way to catch up! Only one real interface,
how sad and outdated.
snip a bunch of drivel from someone who does not know the difference
between a kernel and an interface
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Where did all my windows go?
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 01:28:38 GMT
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin) wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in 8js6lj$lv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
No, he is NOT! Linux is an OS kernel and KDE is a Unix desktop
Developed
by DIFFERENT people, though cooperating they are INDEPENDENT of each
other. The Linux (being a KERNEL) servers an different function than
KDE
the desktop. Linux CAN and does run WITHOUT KDE and KDE can and DOES
run
without Linux. They are independent of each other! I would submit a
Linux bug to the Linux development team and a KDE to the KDE
development team!
Avtually I was referring to calling it a lie, not KDE bug = Linux bug.
Using your logic, any application that RUNS on Windows that has a bug
means that Windows has that bug! after all, KDE is only an
APPLICATION
that runs on Linux!
See above.
Did you check the logs You claim an absolute! that means that
there
can be NO error recorded ANY where! Or were you just being unclear
again??? Being so unclear that I could say "if there was no error,
how
did the application crash?"
Yep, checked the logs. No error reported. No indication that kfm
crashed.
What's that got to do with the computer that meets *MY* needs???
windows
lags FAR, FAR behind in the FLEXIBILITY that I need! You claimed an
absolute again when you claimed that Linux is lagging behind Windows.
Linux-Advocacy Digest #466
Linux-Advocacy Digest #466, Volume #27Wed, 5 Jul 00 00:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform ("Shock Boy")
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform ("Shock Boy")
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform ("Shock Boy")
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform ("Shock Boy")
Re: LIE-nux is SUPPOST to destroy data (was: Re: This is a Troll, do not resond
(was Re: Linux is junk)) (Perry Pip)
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Perry Pip)
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Perry Pip)
Microsoft .Net (Aravind Sadagopan)
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Perry Pip)
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Perry Pip)
Re: Linux code going down hill (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: I hope you trolls are happy...
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Roger)
Re: Uptime 6 months and counting. (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Where did all my windows go? (David Steinberg)
Re: LIE-nux is SUPPOST to destroy data (was: Re: This is a Troll, do (Charlie
Ebert)
Re: Where did all my windows go?
Re: Where did all my windows go?
Re: Uptime 6 months and counting. ("Rich C")
From: "Shock Boy" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 02:53:43 GMT
"Rick" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Shock Boy wrote:
"Rick" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Shock Boy wrote:
"Rick" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael Marion
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Full Name wrote:
We recently had a Mandrake box rendered unusable when the machine that
was used as a backup failed to answer the mount request.
Why don't you configure it properly...
Ah... the usual UNIXhead answer whenever someone complains about falling
into yet another UNIX misconfiguration trap: "It's not the fault of
UNIX, it's the fault of the user for not configuring UNIX properly."
And they wonder why the Linux companies have fallen on hard times...
Just exactly what hard times would those be? Linux continues to increase
marketshare, mostly with servers, but also some desktops.
as for configuration...you should see the nightmares that arise when
Windoze isnt correctly configured.
Every linux install I have withnessed had the difficulty in configuration..
but i've yet to see
any nightmares over windows.
Insert CD, click install.. sip some coffee.. then install one's applications.
Cant use this, IRQ conflict, cant use that, IRQ conflict. Its a
nightmare.
Would you please define what an IRQ conflict is? I've never experienced one, on
the Mac or PC side of life..
How the hell should I know what it is... all Iknow is everytime I put a
card inthe Widoze machine at work there were all sorts of conflicts.
Hmm.. I've put in alot of cards.. including one external chassis with bettween 7 and
10 ( it varies as I add and remove cards )
wihtout
ever encountering them.. perhaps you need to RTFM?
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From: "Shock Boy" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 02:53:46 GMT
"Leslie Mikesell" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8jretv$ad7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In article LX885.385$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Shock Boy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No, because hardware support is inferior in linux.
Strange. My SCSI discs work FAR more efficiently on Linux.
We're talking about more than one simple part..
Sure, Sparc's, Alpha's, IBM 390's, and many more work
great under Linux.
We were discussing the installation on a PC where the hardware selection is far
greater...
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From: "Shock Boy" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 02:53:46 GMT
"Peter Ammon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Shock Boy wrote:
"Rick" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Cant use this, IRQ conflict, cant use that, IRQ conflict. Its a
nightmare.
Would you please define what an IRQ conflict is? I've never experienced one, on
the Mac or PC side of life..
An IRQ conflict occurs when the Windows demon-gods arbitrarily decide to
prevent your various pieces of hardware from working together until you
prove your devotion. You can prove this by spending several hours in
the Device Manager changing obscure numbers and rebooting to see if it
works. Watch out: the demon-gods will throw
Linux-Advocacy Digest #467
Linux-Advocacy Digest #467, Volume #27Wed, 5 Jul 00 01:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (T. Max Devlin) Re: Linsux as a desktop platform ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (T. Max Devlin) Re: Why Linux, and X.11 when MacOS 'X' is around the corner? (Jerry McBride) Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (T. Max Devlin) Linux 3X faster than W2K (Arthur Frain) Re: Stupid idiots that think KDE is a Window Manager Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (T. Max Devlin) Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (T. Max Devlin) Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (T. Max Devlin) Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (T. Max Devlin) Re: Where did all my windows go? (Donovan Rebbechi) From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 23:49:22 -0400 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quoting Tiberious from comp.os.linux.advocacy; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:26:48 [...] Switch from Windows to Linux? Why? Because in the real world, capabilities and control are more important than hand-holding. Why should someone take a step back in time to a half supported system? This "computers with dumb users is progress" thing has *got* to go. What advantage does the person above gain running Linux? The person above only does the install once. They use the system for years (if its Linux; if its Windows, about six months, and then you've gotta do it all over again...) I have yet to se a valid reason to do so except for cost, and running a desktop system kills that reason. How does running a desktop system kill cost as a reason? You forget, the equivalent license for Windows that you get for free with Linux would cost you something on the order of a few million dollars, and that's discounting the ability to modify the code if you have a good enough reason. Obviously a desktop system wouldn't need a "developers source code license". But for the amount of support you gotta pay for when installing that scanner *doesn't* work, you kind of make up in the bargain. Sorry but Linux loses again. Plus, like most Wintrolls, you are picking your "and everything works great" environment, and comparing it to last year's Linux distros. You lose again. -- T. Max Devlin Manager of Research Educational Services Managed Services ELTRAX Technology Services Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] -[Opinions expressed are my own; everyone else, including my employer, has to pay for them, subject to applicable licensing agreement]- == Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News == http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! === Over 80,000 Newsgroups = 16 Different Servers! == -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 22:50:27 -0500 On Wed, 05 Jul 2000 02:52:43 GMT, "Shock Boy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On Tue, 04 Jul 2000 11:22:19 -0700, Peter Ammon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: Peter Ammon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I have much less PC experience than you, and even I've been there. Rick is right: it is a nightmare. And, as usual, blown *way* out of proportion. I've been using PCs for a long, long time and the number of IRQ conflicts I've ever had has been miniscule and taken all of about 5 minutes to resolve. I can't comment on the frequency with which they happen, since I've only had it happen once, but it did take a trained technician several hours to resolve while I stood nearby and waited. Define "trained technician", please. Also describe his employer. From my experienced.. most skilled/trained technician's are not "technician's".. as they can easily get a much better paying job. All the people I know who *really* know computers are NOT in support. That is why I always laugh with these "horror" stories about support staff. Of COURSE they can't figure it out quickly.. that's why they're in such a low end job! Exactly. -- From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 23:51:39 -0400 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quoting Tim Scoff from comp.os.linux.advocacy; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:25:02 [...] Unix is wonderful if you're an expert. If you're not there is a steep learning curve involved in order to get to the point where you can administer it successfully. Computers are wonderful if you're an expert. If you're not there is a steep learning curve involved in order to get to the point where you
