Linux-Advocacy Digest #429
Linux-Advocacy Digest #429, Volume #33Sat, 7 Apr 01 05:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Communism (Roberto Alsina)
Re: IA32, was an advocacy rant (Brian Inglis)
Re: IA32, was an advocacy rant (Brian Inglis)
Re: "The Linux Desktop", by T. Max Devlin (Bloody Viking)
Re: "The Linux Desktop", by T. Max Devlin (Roberto Alsina)
Re: "The Linux Desktop", by T. Max Devlin (Roberto Alsina)
Re: "The Linux Desktop", by T. Max Devlin (Bloody Viking)
Re: "The Linux Desktop", by T. Max Devlin (Dave Martel)
Re: Hey, JS PL was Re: Microsoft abandoning USB? (GreyCloud)
Re: IA32, was an advocacy rant ("Ben L. Titzer")
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (GreyCloud)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (GreyCloud)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Graham Murray)
Re: Chimp in TV program downloads Linux to talk ("Kelsey Bjarnason")
Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office 97/2000? ("Kelsey Bjarnason")
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("Sam Morris")
Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office 97/2000? (Richard L. Hamilton)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: 7 Apr 2001 06:05:36 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:57:44 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Roberto Alsina wrote:
On 6 Apr 2001 15:34:43 -0500, Chad Everett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6 Apr 2001 20:39:40 GMT, Roberto Alsina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Example: "The tooth fairy doesn't exist".
What?! The Tooth Fairy doesn't exist!? I don't think there is any
way you can prove or support that with facts. If you try to, I'll
argue with you forever and never let you have the last word.
Well, I agree that my position in impossible to prove :-)
Sheesh! It's no wonder 30K civilians were killed by their own countrymen.
They were trying to shut each other up.
Well, I wouldn't make fun of such a thing. It most certainly was
not funny while it was happening!
What country was this?
My country. Didn't I say that already? And before you say it: no, the
assassins were not communists. They were big on the free market idea.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: Brian Inglis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.arch
Subject: Re: IA32, was an advocacy rant
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 00:07:50 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 04 Apr 2001 16:46:03 -0700, Eric Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Craig Kelley wrote:
Too bad IA32 chips run faster than Alphas now. :)
Alexis Cousein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Too bad they're IA*32*, though, and can't address more than 4GB.
Only a per-process virtual memory limit. And it might be possible
to circumvent that. Remeber how on the PDP-11 big programs used separate
ID space (64 Kbytes each)? Well, IIRC on the x86 (x=3) you can have
multiple segments that are up to 4G each. So you could easily have
a 4G instruction segment and a 4G data segment, without requiring
nastiness in C code like near and far pointers.
Probably not enough of a win to be worthwhile, though. Personally, I have
yet to encounter an executable bigger than 1.5G.
MS W2K or XP perhaps?
Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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[EMAIL PROTECTED](Brian dot Inglis at SystematicSw dot ab dot ca)
use address above to reply
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From: Brian Inglis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.arch
Subject: Re: IA32, was an advocacy rant
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 00:07:51 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:46:55 -0500, "Ben L. Titzer"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
Well, the physical address bus is 36 bits these days, which means 64gb,
While arguably you could use these to support a kernel that handles more
than 4GB, I doubt many *applications* would actually be able to use more
than 2 or 4GB, at least not without another ILP model than that normally
used (ILP32).
I doubt there are any kernels that would need more than 4GB. But as
far as accessing more than 4GB in an application, that is very easy.
Most "data warehouses" (I hate that term) are much larger than 4GB.
They could benefit from the speed enhancements over a strictly hard
drive system.
Compaq has several Xeon based servers (4x, 8x, and even more) that have up
to 32 and 64gb of physical RAM. Any kernel running on those machines
wouldn't "need" that much memory; it would of course, have to manage it,
though, for user applications. Versions of Windows 2000 server have
support for these large memory spaces, and I *think* there may be Linux
support. Plus whatever OSes companies like Compaq and HP have running on
their "big-iron" Intel boxes probably have PAE support as well.
Linux-Advocacy Digest #430
Linux-Advocacy Digest #430, Volume #33Sat, 7 Apr 01 10:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: "The Linux Desktop", by T. Max Devlin (Goldhammer)
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: "The Linux Desktop", by T. Max Devlin (Goldhammer)
Re: IA32, was an advocacy rant (Paul Repacholi)
Re: "The Linux Desktop", by T. Max Devlin (Goldhammer)
õÓÔÁÎÏ×ËÁ Linux ("TV")
Re: Galeon, Galeon, rah, rah, rah (was: Too expensive, too invasive) (Matthias
Warkus)
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure (Goldhammer)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: NT is stagnant while Linux explodes ("WGAF")
Re: Chimp in TV program downloads Linux to talk (Charles Lyttle)
Re: NT is stagnant while Linux explodes (Johan Kullstam)
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
From: Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 21:24:04 +1200
And you can download it for free!
Matthew Gardiner
JS PL wrote:
"Matthew Gardiner" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
hmm 2 days and yet no reply. I guess "JS PL" has realised how stupid
his/her
comments were, and has now set off to make up a new alias. Sounds very
familiar to Claire Lynn/Flatfish/Jeff (care to add more).
Matthew Gardiner
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
I'm still trying to understand the connection "JS PL" and "Peter Ammon"
are
trying to make. Microsoft are giving away a product for free, plan and
simple. I simply pointed out that it was the was the case, and that I
felt
that it was double standards on Microsofts part. Even if you could run
in on
the desktop version of Windows, would anyone seriously consider it? I
have
actually set it up to stream a piece of media accross my lan at home, so
it
is possible to do it on Windows 2000 Pro.
Also, the follow up articles. So, if a piece of software is written for
more than one platform, and it is given away, it is evil, however, if it
has
been written for only one OS, and that OS just so happened to be written
by
Microsoft, then it is perfectly acceptable? thats the logic our good
friends
"JS PL" and Peter Ammon" subscribe to.
Is there something in here that deserves a follow up? The steaming media
server costs about $1000.00. You can call it free till your blue in the
face. It's $1000 because you only get it with Windows2000 Server and up.
--
Disclaimer:
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
If you do not like it go: [rm -rf /home/luser] and
have a nice day :)
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From: Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 22:01:13 +1200
Dave Martel wrote:
On Sat, 07 Apr 2001 03:45:47 GMT, "WGAF" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You'd have hard time naming some commercial
grade application for Linux. Even if you do, they won't be free.
TCLPro, Corel PhotoPaint, WordPerfect, Snif+, not to mention the usual
apps like GIMP and XEmacs. There's bunches more but it's been a long
day.
Sorry, for a win-advocate (such as WGAF), unless Microsoft produces an
application for Linux, then everything else that runs on it must be
sub-standard!
Matthew Gardiner
--
Disclaimer:
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
If you do not like it go: [rm -rf /home/luser] and
have a nice day :)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Goldhammer)
Subject: Re: "The Linux Desktop", by T. Max Devlin
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 10:02:58 GMT
On 7 Apr 2001 06:52:00 GMT, Bloody Viking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Slackware is my favourite distro.
Same here. Slack is the no-bullshit
distro.
If what you mean by "BSD style init" the
setup to install process, I like that method
better than, say, Red Hat.
He probably means BSD style init scripts,
as opposed to System V style.
If I was going to switch from Slackware, I'd probably
go with BSD instead of the other Linux distros. It
wouldn't surprise me if the initial install method
of Slack is copied from the BSD method.
Yes, the Slack installer 'feels' very similar to the
BSD install.
Slackware is, imho, the easiest to install, easiest
to manage, most bullshit-free distro. I've never
had any hassles with Slackware.
Btw, I also share your sentiment about FreeBSD.
FreeBSD and Slackware go on the production machines.
Other Linux distros are fine and dandy, but when
we decide to set up a machine dedicated to
Linux-Advocacy Digest #432
Linux-Advocacy Digest #432, Volume #33Sat, 7 Apr 01 11:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: "The Linux Desktop", by T. Max Devlin ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (Chad Everett)
Re: Hey, JS PL was Re: Microsoft abandoning USB? (Bob Hauck)
Re: "The Linux Desktop", by T. Max Devlin (Bob Hauck)
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (Chad Everett)
Re: Hey, JS PL was Re: Microsoft abandoning USB? ("JS PL")
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: "The Linux Desktop", by T. Max Devlin
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 10:33:04 -0400
Dave Martel wrote:
On 7 Apr 2001 06:52:00 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking) wrote:
The Slack/BSD method offers the best
flexibility but with the caveat of making the install harder for new users
with non-flaky computers. If your computer is flaky, the more difficult
install is vastly better than the install made impossible due to bad hardware.
Plus there's the matter of control. I despise the Windows approach to
applications installation, where applications can tromp all over your
system with neither notification nor permission for their actions and
usually leaving no record of what they've done.
RPM isn't nearly as bad but it still doesn't provide enough control to
suit me. Even so, I'd give in and use RPM on the more complex packages
if it weren't an all-or-nothing system. (All-or-nothing meaning that
you have to use RPM for _all_ your software installations, or it can't
track what's been installed for purposes of dependency-checking)
rpm --list somefile.rpm
will tell you exactly where the files of an RPM file will be placed.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 10:37:52 -0400
Craig Kelley wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck) writes:
On 05 Apr 2001 09:38:42 -0600, Craig Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course not, but at least republicans go after Microsoft with the
intent of restoring a free market, and not with some loony class-war
redistribution of wealth fanaticism.
No, that fanaticism would result in selling off Microsoft and giving
the money to the poor. As opposed to the loony Republican turn the
country into an corporate oligarchy fanaticism.
Damn, you figured me out. The reason I use Linux is to build my
secret empire of corporate support to suppress the open source
developers. Not because it's good. Not because it allows me the
freedom of personal discretion in our network. No, nothing so
reasonable as that.
Clue: Selling off Microsoft entirely would eliminate 27,000 jobs
directly and countless other thousands indirectly.
Wrong. New jobs would spring up to fill the void. The difference
is...by migrating to a new platform, productivity for EVERYBODY
would be reased significantly
Linux-Advocacy Digest #433
Linux-Advocacy Digest #433, Volume #33Sat, 7 Apr 01 13:13:02 EDT
Contents:
TeX pdf output was Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office 97/2000? (Steve
Bellenot)
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (Salvador Peralta)
Re: Why does Open Source exist, and what way is it developing? (Goldhammer)
Re: Hey, JS PL was Re: Microsoft abandoning USB? ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised (Wodger)
Re: XP = eXPerimental ("Ermine Todd III")
Re: NT is stagnant while Linux explodes (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a (Martin Eden)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Bellenot)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,alt.solaris.x86,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: TeX pdf output was Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office 97/2000?
Date: 7 Apr 2001 15:06:38 GMT
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Richard L. Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Agree preferring some of the old to some of the new. But I really _hate_
the cruddy, almost unreadable fonts one typically sees in TeX generated
PostScript. They don't look quite so bad on paper, but at mere screen
resolutions, they're dreadful.
Indeed they can be, but they don't have to be. Here are a couple of
easy fixes:
http://www.math.fsu.edu/~bellenot/web/pdf.html
--
http://www.math.fsu.edu/~bellenot
bellenot At/ math.fsu.edu
+1.850.644.7189 (4053fax)
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From: Salvador Peralta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 08:25:24 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WGAF quoth:
In some respect you're right, KDE can lock up as much as Windows :).
I've never that happen in v2.1. I have application crashes, and
application lockups ( so far, only knode in v2.1 ), but that is a
simple PS -A, kill PID. Or XKill.
However, I disagree with
your conclusion about the better integration with applications.
I said better integration between the browser and applications. Can
you specify that you want to use an image editor to open images in
IE? Can you select what application you'd like to use to view
source? Can you specify what mail client you'd like to use? Which
news client? How much configuration can you do on your key bindings?
Can you open zipped and gzipped files without uncompressing them?
Can you set HTTP user agent?
One
can't even copy/paste between application.
Simply untrue. The only application on my desktop that I do not have
full cut-and-paste capabilities with other applications is Mozilla.
And that's because the project made a poor choice of widget sets to
work with.
Just because KDE looks
like Windows it doesn't mean it acts like one in lot of respects.
Thank god for large favors.
From the tipical end users perspective it doesn't really matter what
the OS is. Most of them don't know it anyway. Nonetheless they get
more usability out of Windows or more concisely from the
applications running on Windows.
Not really. About the only microsoft application you can make a case
for being superior to its counterparts on linux is office. And even
that is open for debate. In terms of visual Office software, I
prefer ABI Word to office for word processing. Spreadsheets are
spreadsheets. The only real advantage office has is its presentation
software. Some people might justify spending a few hundred on that
piece of functionality. I cannot.
there are
lots of games, 10 zillion different text editor with little or no
relation to each other. Not to mention all of the interesting
looking apps what Linux has.
Holding aside the games ( since I don't use them ), my system came
configured out of the box with a screen magnifier for the visually
impaired. CD burning utilities, fax sender/viewer, babelfish,
advaned text editor, basic text editor, and a binary editor ( all
superior to their counterparts on windows ), postscript and pdf
viewers, the gimp ( you won't really try and compare MS paint to the
gimp, will you? ), screen capture software, ftp, chat, newsreaders,
email, html editors, word, illustrator, spreadsheets, calendar,
organizer, palm connectivity, and a host of other applications all
comparable or better than their counterparts on windows ( if they are
even available after a windows install ), and I don't even have half
of what I could have put on my desktop.
The graphical text editors in KDE are more similar than wordpad and
notepad. As for the non-graphical ones, jed, ed, sed, et al...
I suspect that you don't really know use the shell if you actually
believe that they have little or no relationship to one another.
Windows comes
You'd have hard time naming some
commercial grade application for Linux. Even if you do, they won't
be free.
Again, what came bundled with my system is superior to
Linux-Advocacy Digest #435
Linux-Advocacy Digest #435, Volume #33Sat, 7 Apr 01 15:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: XP = eXPerimental (J Sloan)
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure (Goldhammer)
Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office 97/2000? ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Why does Open Source exist, and what way is it developing? (Salvador Peralta)
Re: Why does Open Source exist, and what way is it developing? (Goldhammer)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Stefaan A Eeckels)
MS and ISP's (667 Neighbor of the Beast)
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised (Peter Hayes)
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised (Peter Hayes)
Re: How funny. (Peter Hayes)
Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office 97/2000? (Logan Shaw)
Re: Q:Windows NT scripting? (667 Neighbor of the Beast)
From: J Sloan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: XP = eXPerimental
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 18:38:03 GMT
Ermine Todd III wrote:
Linux is for people who don't have any real work to do and can spend endless
hours recompiling the kernel and are too cheap to pay for the real thing.
Linux is for people who don't have time to futz around
with reboots, blue screens, virii and reinstalls.
Linux is for people who need solid Unix services
without all the red tape and licensing hassles of
traditional old time Unix vendors, or the lock in
of proprietary single vendor RISC platforms.
Be advised that most Linux users never recompile
their kernel - it's just not neccessary - however
they can if they want to, unlike ms customers.
BTW I've gladly paid a lot of money for Linux distros,
and for good software to use on Linux - e.g Red Hat
Professional and SuSE distros, good games like Quake
3 Arena, stuff like Applixware, Mathematica, etc.
OTOH, one thing I will NOT do is to spend another
penny, ever,on software of any kind for ms windows.
cu
jjs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Goldhammer)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 18:48:31 GMT
On Sat, 07 Apr 2001 18:00:54 GMT,
The Ghost In The Machine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Goldhammer wrote:
Of the three principles of Microsoft-think,
here we see yet another manifestation of
the 3rd.
1. A database is a file.
Well, a file *is* a database -- and the term "database" is
slightly stupidly used, anyway; the correct term (IMO, although
I know at least one person who would agree with me)
is "data retrieval system". A file in such a system might be
a "data retrieval system data storage container".
But even so, it does not imply that a database
is a file, as so many Access users seem to think.
Of course, one
could get arbitrarily verbose here. :-)
Sure. With such definitions, a laundry-list
can be considered a database.
But yes, you're right; data retrieval systems such as Oracle
are very flexible, and can use files or partitions. Even
Postgres uses multiple files, as I understand it, although
it's not clear to me whether it can handle a relation 2GB.
I'd have to poke around in its source code... :-)
Why not just go ahead and create a very large Postgres
database and see for yourself?
3. An OS is something that runs on an x86.
Indeed.
Then I wonder why some people think Linux
is limited to 2Gb files. It must be because
they think Linux, like all OSs, only run on
x86s.
--
Don't think you are. Know you are.
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From: "Les Mikesell" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,alt.solaris.x86,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office 97/2000?
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 18:51:24 GMT
"Kelsey Bjarnason" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:YN1z6.2745$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
IMHO anyone who reads mail with a variable-width font shows a remarkable
lack of understanding.
Now why would that be? Some of us happen to find variable-width fonts
easier to read; you're saying that making computing easier and more
pleasant
is a lack of understanding? What a bizarre position.
Perhaps you can explain why there is no sense of pain or suffering about
this problem in the biographies of all those people who had to compose
and read their historically significant works on typewriters with no choice
of fonts at all
Now it's true you can't, say, read someone's nicely-aligned columnar text
which they developed with a fixed font, if you're reading with a variable
font, but that, if anything, suggests that there are probably better ways
to
produce documents containing layout information, ways that don't require
that the recipient happen to use your particular choice of font type.
No, it suggests that it is impossible without having a mate to your
particular choice of typesetting tools.
HTML
is one answer, although its layout capabilities may be less
Linux-Advocacy Digest #434
Linux-Advocacy Digest #434, Volume #33Sat, 7 Apr 01 15:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why does Open Source exist, and what way is it developing? (Salvador Peralta)
Re: Screaming wannbie new users. (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Q:Windows NT scripting? ("Mike")
Re: Stupid error message (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Things Linux can't do! (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a luser... (was Re:
Chinese airforce adopted Win2k infrastructure) (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (Dave Martel)
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (Dave Martel)
Re: XP = eXPerimental (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (silverback)
Re: NT is stagnant while Linux explodes (Dave Martel)
From: Salvador Peralta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why does Open Source exist, and what way is it developing?
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 10:33:47 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Goldhammer quoth:
... snip...
What you have shown is that it's pretty easy to decontextualize and
misreperesent, or outright contrive statements by three of the most
influential thinkers of the 19th century in a flippant way and make
yourself look like an arrogant boob in the process.
"Such genius!"
Kudos.
--
Salvador Peralta -o)
Programmer/Analyst, Webmaster / \
[EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v
^
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Screaming wannbie new users.
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 17:25:10 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Martigan
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote
on Fri, 06 Apr 2001 15:41:49 GMT
1tlz6.9715$[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
O.k. I have been hearing from some new users that Linux is too hard to
learn. Why? Does it take a little more brain power? YES! Does it give
us more options and choices? YES!
Hell I was at a SMALL computer show,
Just out of curiosity, are you referring to (small computer) show or
small (computer show)? :-) My experience with computer shows is that
they tend to be rather large affairs, held in such places as Moscone
Center in San Francisco. (I can't think of an equivalent location
in Rome or other parts of Italy ('.it').) However, I've also been
to computer flea markets.
Siemens (sp?) was trying to show
off their wireless networking, on two win NT 4.0 machines. But failed they
kept locking up.
SNAFU, apparently. :-)
Sun was showing their Network "Service" on a Solaris Term, and a Win Nt
term. , the Win NT term kept locking up.
Cisco laughed when I said "Why don't you run Win NT?"
So the Big companies run Linux/Unix, or BSD.
If the companies a using them what should that tell you? That they are
cheap basterds that wanna save money? If so then why did so many servers
get taken down with "i love you. txt.vbs"? And many companies are still
fight the VBS scare.
Which is still out there; they're not hard to write at all, apparently.
Regrettably, the person who captured a copy of the Melissa virus has
since left my employer, and the listing is missing, although I
strongly suspect someone else has posted it on the Internet somewhere.
(Perhaps McAfee has a copy? An interesting notion, albeit a
frightening one if some enterprising young hacker decides to copy
or modify it and send it out into the wild -- again!)
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- windows NT/Outlook makes it soo easy sometimes... :-)
EAC code #191 1d:19h:56m actually running Linux.
The US gov't spends about $54,000/second. I wish I could.
--
From: "Mike" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Q:Windows NT scripting?
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 17:33:10 GMT
"Chris Ahlstrom" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Sean wrote:
Chris
There's also the excellent free C compiler
for Windows by Jacob Navia and others. It's
called lcc - see:
http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~lcc-win32/
Nice tool - pity about Windows!
That their manual is in Microsoft Word format
is worrisome to me. HTML or even PDF would
have been better, to my way of thinking.
I'm trying to standardize on GNU code, at least
for now.
Chris
HTML is a problem if you want to print the file, so it tends to work
reasonably well for online docs, but not very well otherwise.
Converting Word to PDF is usually not a problem. If you have the full PDF
package, you can use the Word viewer to print to PDF. Otherwise, you can
write to a postscript file, then use the PS2PDF conversion utility that
comes with ghostscript.
To verify
Linux-Advocacy Digest #436
Linux-Advocacy Digest #436, Volume #33Sat, 7 Apr 01 17:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: gates messiah (Anonymous)
Re: Why does Open Source exist, and what way is it developing? (Salvador Peralta)
Re: Communism (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Communism (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Communism (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Communism (T. Max Devlin)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("Roger Perkins")
Re: Communism (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Communism (T. Max Devlin)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("Roger Perkins")
Re: Microsoft abandoning USB? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Q:Windows NT scripting? (Donn Miller)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Hey, JS PL was Re: Microsoft abandoning USB? (Bob Hauck)
Re: Hey, JS PL was Re: Microsoft abandoning USB? (Bob Hauck)
Re: Entry-level *ix positions?? (Bob Hauck)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (T. Max Devlin)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 13:26:11 -0600
From: Anonymous [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: gates messiah
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
matt wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:07:30 GMT, Dark Angel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
:In soc.singles Anonymous [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
:| that weird monkey guy who isn't stebe:
:| Dark Angel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
:|
:| : Your archnemisis, Steve Chaney, seems to have had no trouble learning
:| : to use unix. Guess you're finally conceding that Chaney's smarter
:| : than you
:|
:| And Jackie Pokemon didn't need a recount to realise it's time to concede.
:
:| do you speak japanese?
:| if not
:| does that make you dumber than someone who can?
:| jackie 'anakin' tokeman
:
:Depends, if he put equal effort into learning Japanese and failed
:as the other person did and succeeded, then yes.
% man anakin
NAME
anakin - (Yet Another) Dark Lord of the Sith
SYNOPSIS
anakin [OPTIONS] [IMPERIAL_CODE]
USAGE
% anakin 402
Your misery is my dance
% anakin --help
The fact that 'anakin' does not run under Unix may be a bug, but
the executable considers it a feature.
% anakin 267
p r e c i s e l y
OPTIONS
-t sniggla Specify the designated target.
--mt deathstar
Specify a more military target.
--gthw play Global Thermonuclear Hypocrisy War
AUTHOR
Shmi Skywalker, apparently.
qui gonn speculates that i may have been fathered directly by the
midichlorians
whatever the fuck that means
BUGS
Does not know the language of binary load lifters.
WARNINGS
Refuses to mount excessively large filesystems.
May attempt 'kill -SOUL' on any PID at any time, even the
calling process.(in that event see 'anakin 666')
i think i only got aboot 40% of that
but it was still pretty funny
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
--
From: Salvador Peralta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why does Open Source exist, and what way is it developing?
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 12:57:28 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Goldhammer quoth:
On Sat, 7 Apr 2001 10:33:47 -0700,
Salvador Peralta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What you have shown is that it's pretty easy to decontextualize and
misreperesent, or outright contrive statements by three of the most
influential thinkers of the 19th century in a flippant way and make
yourself look like an arrogant boob in the process.
That's odd. I didn't present any "statements"
by Marx or Freud,
I stand corrected. You flippantly dismissed 4 of the 19th century's
most influential thinkers and it appears that I was overgenerous in
my interpretation of how you did it. You didn't even attempt to
contrive or misrepresent a statement before flippantly dismissing
either Marx or Freud. But you did of Nietszche. And in that case it
was contrived. Why not throw in Jung or Kierkegaard and go for a
quinella?
Perhaps you prefer the criticism: "A mouse nipping at the heels of
giants"? Again, it is easy to decontextualize, misrepresent, and
contrive positions. Easier still to say "Genius? Balderdash." More
difficult to show that you actually understand any of their works
well enough to offer a legitimate deconstruction or otherwise defend
your assertions with something other than the few decontextualized
references to one of Darwin's works.
As for Darwin's sloppy method... every single paragraph cites
references in the literature available to him at the time... all in
all a good sight less sloppy in that regard than your
decontextualized critique of aspects of the work.
--
Salvador Peralta -o)
Linux-Advocacy Digest #437
Linux-Advocacy Digest #437, Volume #33Sat, 7 Apr 01 18:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Q:Windows NT scripting? (667 Neighbor of the Beast)
Re: Hey, JS PL was Re: Microsoft abandoning USB? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Hey, JS PL was Re: Microsoft abandoning USB? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Hey, JS PL was Re: Microsoft abandoning USB? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("billh")
Re: Hey, JS PL was Re: Microsoft abandoning USB? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Why does Open Source exist, and what way is it developing? (Goldhammer)
Re: Q:Windows NT scripting? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Q:Windows NT scripting? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Q:Windows NT scripting? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: MS and ISP's ("JS PL")
Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a luser... (was Re:
Chinese airforce adopted Win2k infrastructure) ("Chad Myers")
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Q:Windows NT scripting? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
From: 667 Neighbor of the Beast [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Q:Windows NT scripting?
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 13:48:58 -0700
Donn Miller wrote:
"Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
OS/2 and UNIX operating systems don't have a
GDI either. The GDI is a Windows implementation.
Isn't Xlib (libX11) the unix equivalent of GDI32? For example,
XCopyArea() is the Xlib equivalent of the GDI function BitBlt(),
XCreateWindow() (Xlib) is analogous to CreateWindow() (GDI), etc. etc.
So yes, unix has a GDI also. It's just called libX11 and not GDI. 8-/
All (or most modern) OS's have display engines. OS/2 has MMOS/2 at
least and maybe more. Obviously, Unix must have some display engine
equivalent to the GDI on Windows. Neither of these OS's is so dumb as
to stick the display engine in the kernel. In fact, IBM strenuously
objected when MS tried to put the GDI and the GUI into MS/IBM OS/2,
and that was one of the things that led to the breakup. IBM said it
would make the system unstable, and of course it does.
--
Bob
Being flamed? Don't know why? Take the Flame Questionnaire(TM)
today!
Why do you think you are being flamed?
[ ] You crossposted
[ ] You continued a long, stupid thread
[ ] You started an off-topic thread
[ ] You posted something totally uninteresting
[ ] People don't like your tone of voice
[ ] Your stupidity is astounding
[ ] You suck
[ ] Other (describe)
--
From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Hey, JS PL was Re: Microsoft abandoning USB?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 20:55:55 GMT
Said JS PL in alt.destroy.microsoft on Fri, 6 Apr 2001 23:54:52 -0400;
"667 Neighbor of the Beast" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
During the trial it was made clear that MS frequently offered nearly
free server software for ISP's if they promised to get at least 75% of
their customers to use IE.
I don't remember that being brought up at the MS lynchierr...trial. It
sounds like bullshit.[...]
GU-fucking-christ-I-can't-believe-anyone-could-be-so-stupid-FFAW!
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
--
From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Hey, JS PL was Re: Microsoft abandoning USB?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 20:57:33 GMT
Said JS PL in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sat, 7 Apr 2001 11:00:03 -0400;
[...]
Nothing you have described is illegal.[...]
Anti-trust doesn't work like that. It is not the actions which are
illegal, it is the *class of actions*. If what he described was an
attempt to monopolize or restrain trade, it was illegal; it does not
matter what the actions were.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
--
From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Hey, JS PL was Re: Microsoft abandoning USB?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 20:58:52 GMT
Said JS PL in alt.destroy.microsoft on Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:24:04 -0400;
[...]
You don't think anyone is dumb enough to believe your "I meant download from
my cd" bullshit do you?[...]
Well, you obviously think everyone is dumb enough to believe your
bullshit.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
--
From: "billh"
Linux-Advocacy Digest #440
Linux-Advocacy Digest #440, Volume #33Sat, 7 Apr 01 19:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Entry-level *ix positions?? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: MS and ISP's (Ed Allen)
Re: Dave Cutlers Art (Peter Hayes)
Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a luser... ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a luser... ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a luser... ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Entry-level *ix positions??
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 18:55:54 -0400
Bob Hauck wrote:
On Saturday 07 April 2001 00:32, Chad Everett
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The point is that all this is doable and reading news logged into a
home server is prefectly comfortable with a dial-in connection to
a home system that has a link to a newsserver.
Sure, it is all doable. But Aaron isn't doing it.
And your proof is
To help make my point: I have added the additional header lines that
you have included in your post.
I usually use slrn too (I'm trying out KNode today) and a while back I
did the same trick. I made mine say something about Aaron. Trivial,
really. I can't think of a good reason to do this for "security"
though, as Aaron claims. Even the entertainment value wears off fast.
Bob, on my command
JUMP!
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
--
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MS and ISP's
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Allen)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 23:01:03 GMT
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
667 Neighbor of the Beast [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bob Hauck wrote:
On Fri, 6 Apr 2001 23:54:52 -0400, JS PL jspl@jsplom wrote:
"667 Neighbor of the Beast" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
But suppose microsoft actually did give away their OS and server software,
SO WHAT!! Who's business is it?
There are laws on the books against "dumping" in order to drive your
competition out of business. Which was exactly what MS was trying to do
to Netscape.
Yes not only that but it is totally illegal to offer SW for free or at
steep discount if you promise to, say, convert 75% of your users to
IE, if you promise to only support IE, if you promise to put
IE-specific stuff on your web page, etc. That is an exclusive
agreement, and they are all illegal.
Not all exclusive agreements are illegal according to the Courts.
Such agreements often encourage competition to pop up to offer
alternatives. This is normal and to be anticipated eagerly.
The agreements are illegal when used by a monopoly holder to
strengthen or extend that monopoly. Both of which MS did with their
agreements.
There are no hard numbers beneath which a monopoly cannot exist and
must be exceeded to guarantee monopoly. Actions, like exclusive
contracts, which can be legal for non monopolies may be deemed anti-
competitive when done by a monopoly holder.
MS is using copyright laws to declare that they have a legally
granted monopoly
Linux-Advocacy Digest #438
Linux-Advocacy Digest #438, Volume #33Sat, 7 Apr 01 19:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Server bankrupt and data gone! (GreyCloud)
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (GreyCloud)
Re: gates messiah ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Server bankrupt and data gone!
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 16:10:28 -0700
Seattle Lighting: their contracted out server in Seattle went bankrupt.
All access to their data is lost!
So much for the thought of .NET or any other remotely contracted data
servers.
--
From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 16:18:48 -0700
WGAF wrote:
"Dave Martel" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
TCLPro, Corel PhotoPaint, WordPerfect, Snif+, not to mention the usual
apps like GIMP and XEmacs. There's bunches more but it's been a long
day.
The TCLPro is available for the Windows platform also for the same cost,
which is free. The commercial software like Corel isn't free as I said
previously. You can have any versions of the Emacs
Slackware and Debian are robust and they're both free. There are
indeed some high-priced distro's that approach the cost of an NT
license, but those are aimed at the corporate market and most permit
an unlimited number of installations.
Which is understandable. To develop a quality distro will cost money and it
needs to be recovered, otherwise the distro will disappear. The point is
that it won't be long when the Linux pricing will go by licensing the
distros for corporation based upon the number of installation. Take for
example Caldera's Tarantella Express, 5 user license for $835.00. As time
passes by I wouldn't be surprised that even desktop versions will need to be
licensed also. Yes, the Linux kernel and the GNU part of the distros will be
free, but when the company wraps some proprietery code around them, then
they can license it and won't need to make it available for free..
Otto
Caldera is already having troubles from what I've heard on the net.
(A lot of things are heard about different things.) But since its still
Linux
people will weigh what is it that they're getting for their money? The
average user
doesn't need it. The 5 user license more than likely can be
circumvented by looking around for the equivalent for free. The spirit
of Linux is just that... free and good.
--
V
--
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: gates messiah
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 18:20:33 -0400
Anonymous wrote:
matt wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:07:30 GMT, Dark Angel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
:In soc.singles Anonymous [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
:| that weird monkey guy who isn't stebe:
:| Dark Angel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
:|
:| : Your archnemisis, Steve Chaney, seems to have had no trouble learning
:| : to use unix. Guess you're finally conceding that Chaney's smarter
:| : than you
:|
:| And Jackie Pokemon didn't need a recount to realise it's time to concede.
:
:| do you speak japanese?
:| if not
:| does that make you dumber than someone who can?
:| jackie 'anakin' tokeman
:
:Depends, if he put equal effort into learning Japanese and failed
:as the other person did and succeeded, then yes.
% man anakin
NAME
anakin - (Yet Another) Dark Lord of the Sith
SYNOPSIS
anakin [OPTIONS] [IMPERIAL_CODE]
USAGE
% anakin 402
Your misery is my dance
% anakin --help
The fact that 'anakin' does not run under Unix may be a bug, but
the executable considers it a feature.
% anakin 267
p r e c i s e l y
OPTIONS
-t sniggla Specify the designated target.
--mt deathstar
Specify a more military target.
--gthw play Global Thermonuclear Hypocrisy War
AUTHOR
Shmi Skywalker, apparently.
qui gonn speculates that i may have been fathered directly by the
midichlorians
whatever the fuck that means
BUGS
Does not know the language of binary load lifters.
WARNINGS
Refuses to mount excessively large filesystems.
May attempt 'kill -SOUL' on any PID at any time, even the
calling process.(in
Linux-Advocacy Digest #439
Linux-Advocacy Digest #439, Volume #33Sat, 7 Apr 01 19:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (mm@mm)
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: IA32, was an advocacy rant (GreyCloud)
Re: Hey, JS PL was Re: Microsoft abandoning USB? (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 18:41:35 -0400
Roy Culley wrote:
In article 9agc8g$n2q$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
"Matthew Gardiner" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So, say if I was a programmer, and I was working from home. I was just
cruising through the source code of piece of software and I saw a MAJOR
error, so I think, well, I better email work to notify them of the problem.
So, I open up me hotmail inbox and email them a patch to correct the error.
Does that mean that the patch I just sent is the property of Microsoft?
that sound pretty strange. Its a bit like posting a letter, and getting
told that the Post Office owns it once you have posted it, regardless of who
it is intended for.
Its not a bit like it, it is it (to many it's :-) But who cares about a
patch? If you are developing something with other people via any Microsoft
service they basically own anything you send. Why didn't I think of this?
Brilliant! Going back to british humour, a diffeent thread I think, Monty
Python couldn't have come up with a better sketch. Or maybe they did with
It's a Norwegian window...
the guy asking for money from the stockbroker. :-)
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
--
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 18:43:18 -0400
Zed Mister wrote:
Not really. A few people (including myself) e-mailed cnet about it and they
ran off the story. Microsoft then changed their license. You had the
stupid idea of blocking all mail coming from or going to hotmail from
passing through your servers, which is pretty damn stupid. You should think
logically next time and go to the press with this sort of thing instead of
coming up with dumb ideas in an attempt to stick it to Microsoft. It's not
necessary to go to ridiculous lengths to get things done, ok? Just use your
head next time.
An excellant idea for ANY business, if that's what it takes to get
their business clients to WAKE THE FUCK UP and stop trusting Mafia$oft.
"Chad Everett" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Oh, I read it all right. This discussion and
Linux-Advocacy Digest #441
Linux-Advocacy Digest #441, Volume #33Sat, 7 Apr 01 21:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("Roger Perkins")
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (Salvador Peralta)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (silverback)
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message ("Gary Hallock")
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (pip)
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (pip)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Mathew)
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (pip)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("billh")
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (pip)
Re: MS and ISP's ("JS PL")
Re: Chimp in TV program downloads Linux to talk (Bloody Viking)
Re: Why does Open Source exist, and what way is it developing? (Salvador Peralta)
Re: Linux is just another Unix (yawn) (Bloody Viking)
From: "Roger Perkins" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 17:27:31 -0700
As I understand it the Bible was written from Greek or Aramaic documents
translated into Latin.
Roger
AIRBORNE!
"T. Max Devlin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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Said billh in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 05 Apr 2001 23:46:22 GMT;
"T. Max Devlin"
Well, the Catholics say that its "thou shalt not kill". The "commit
murder" phrasing is *definitely* revisionist.
"*Definitely* revisionist", huh? LOL!!!
Do you know what it is in the original hebrew in which it was written.
Is
it "kill" or is it "murder"? It is "murder".
Yes, 'murder' which allowed for the death and torture of anyone except
the head of a household. To call that 'murder' is quibbling.
The hebrew is "xcr" ( phoneticlly raw-tsakh) which means to "murder",
"slay", "assassinate".
So "though shalt not assassinate" means murder is wrong but killing is
OK? "Though shalt not slay" means the same thing? Sounds more to me
like it isn't so much murder as killing of a human (as opposed to
killing a calf, which obviously isn't going to fly in the Old
Testament.) Which is to say, it says "though shalt not kill", as
indicated, despite this linguistic quibbling that you use to try to
justify war.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: Salvador Peralta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 16:54:33 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mm@mm quoth:
speaking of KDE, I went to see what the fuss was all about, wanted
to download KDE 2.1, when I followed the links, all what I found was
zillions of RPM files in a directory, that the user is supposded to
download one by one to install.
are linux people that clueless? can't they least put everyone in one
file to make it easier to download?
Can you explain the difference in level of difficulty between
selecting and downloading multiple files versus downloading one?
Any problem with the control key on your computer that you can't use
it to select multiple files in the graphical ftp clients on your
system? While you are pondering, consider this:
Why should a user who doesn't want every single application that
comes with KDE be forced to download all of them in a single file?
isn't it a waste of time and bandwidth?
or may be, I shudder to think of
it, have an easy installer for this?
The graphical front end for the redhat package manager is nice. So
are the auto updating facilities that come with some of the
commercial distributions like Mandrake.
I shudder to think about what might happen if you actually took the
time to learn your system before favoring us with these jewels of
ignorance.
the problem I see with linux, is that programmers work very hard,
but they fail at the end. Becuase they have no idea how to make
things simpler for end users to install applications.
lol... Download the files that you want. Test for dependencies.
Install. You can even do it all in one shot. Exit X windows. type
'startx'. Please explain to me how it is easier to upgrade every
application on your windows desktop and the environment itself?
Linux desktop remains very weak compred to windows, lack of
integration with applications, no consistant interface, hard to use
and still needs much more polishing. I think it is now where windows
3.0 was. so I put windows desktop at about 5 years ahead of linux
desktops. (linux desktop still can't figure
Linux-Advocacy Digest #442
Linux-Advocacy Digest #442, Volume #33Sun, 8 Apr 01 01:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (Bob Hauck)
Re: XP = eXPerimental (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: An end to legacy hardware? (Axel Harvey)
Re: TeX pdf output was Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office 97/2000? (Ed L
Cashin)
Re: Entry-level *ix positions?? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message ("WGAF")
Fun With Old Laptops. (: (Bloody Viking)
Re: Baseball (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Baseball (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Baseball (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Too expensive, too invasive (T. Max Devlin)
From: Bob Hauck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message
Reply-To: bobh = haucks.org
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 00:44:00 GMT
On Saturday 07 April 2001 18:09, mm@mm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
speaking of KDE, I went to see what the fuss was all about, wanted to
download KDE 2.1, when I followed the links, all what I found was
zillions of RPM files in a directory, that the user is supposded to
download one by one to install.
Well, I would think a clueless luser like yourself would be using a
graphical ftp client where you can just drag the directory to where you
want it. Like, say, the KDE file manager. At worst you'd have to hold
the control key while you select the files. Yeah, real rocket science
there.
Oh, maybe you've only got a text-mode system. Then you'd have to use
the "get tarred directory" feature that most Unix ftp servers have:
ncftp ftp.kde.org
cd ...some long path...
get RPMS rpms.tar
Then just untar and install. Or, use one of the many programs that can
do recursive gets (e.g. wget, KDE's file manager).
are linux people that clueless?
No, but you seem to be. Downloading multiple files isn't exactly
rocket science.
can't they least put everyone in one file to make it easier to
download?
I don't prefer to download 150 MB files, and sometimes only want to
grab a part of the distribution.
or may be, I shudder to think of it, have an easy installer for this?
Like RPM? I installed KDE 2.1.1 (upgrade from 2.1) by doing this:
$ for i in qt kdebase kdelibs kdegames ...; do rpm -U $i/*; done
I then went and helped my daughter with her homework while it
installed. Yeah, that was real rough.
[snip rest of yet another stupid troll]
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: XP = eXPerimental
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 02:19:25 +0200
Ermine Todd III wrote:
Linux is for people who don't have any real work to do and can spend
endless hours recompiling the kernel and are too cheap to pay for the
real thing.
In the last 12 month I´ve paid about 1500$ on Software for Linux and
linux itself, whereas I´ve paid about 300$ for Wintendo-software (mostly
for the kids).
By the way, I´m doing programming for a living. Constantly rebooting is
just not very productive.
Peter
--
The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably
the day they start making vacuum cleaners" - Ernst Jan Plugge
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From: Axel Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: An end to legacy hardware?
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 01:45:40 +
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Andy Walker wrote:
Lets face it, PC's are pieces of crap. They have so many legacy problems
such as interrupt configurations, memory and backwards compatability that
they belong in the 1980's if not the 70's. In reality it's like getting an
old Cortina and trying to get it to perform like a Ford Focus.
Gee! I thought legacy hardware was something like my Cromemco Z2X
(preciously mothballed in my cellar)--and I think of it more as a
Duesenberg J than as a Ford.
--
From: Ed L Cashin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,alt.solaris.x86,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: TeX pdf output was Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office 97/2000?
Date: 07 Apr 2001 21:51:42 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Bellenot) writes:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Richard L. Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Agree preferring some of the old to some of the new. But I really _hate_
the cruddy, almost unreadable fonts one typically sees in TeX generated
PostScript. They don't look quite so bad on paper, but at mere screen
resolutions, they're dreadful.
Indeed they can be, but they don't have to be. Here are a couple of
easy fixes:
http://www.math.fsu.edu/~bellenot/web/pdf.html
Yeah, bad-looking pdf from TeX was likely made by folks who don't know
about pdftex.
Linux-Advocacy Digest #443
Linux-Advocacy Digest #443, Volume #33Sun, 8 Apr 01 02:13:06 EDT Contents: Re: Baseball (T. Max Devlin) Re: Baseball (T. Max Devlin) Re: Baseball (T. Max Devlin) Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (T. Max Devlin) Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (T. Max Devlin) Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (T. Max Devlin) Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (T. Max Devlin) Re: Galeon, Galeon, rah, rah, rah (was: Too expensive, too invasive) (T. Max Devlin) Re: Article: Microsoft excludes world+dog from Passport climb-down (T. Max Devlin) Re: NT is stagnant while Linux explodes (T. Max Devlin) Re: Phases (Michael Vester) Re: XP = eXPerimental (Chad Everett) Re: Why does Open Source exist, and what way is it developing? (Chad Everett) International Space Station: Russian software seems more reliable than Windows NT (Dave Martel) From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles Subject: Re: Baseball Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 05:12:01 GMT Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:39:05 -0600; T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:44:45 aaron wrote: Anonymous wrote: "Matthew Gardiner" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe Microsoft will go the full monty and deliver a stable OS for once? why don't you do something to make unix as easy to use as windows while retaining the former's stability and put microsoft out of business? It's been so for well over a DECADE, jackie. so you're saying that in 1991 there was a unix system as easy to use as windows is today? To someone who knows how to use it, Unix is easy to use. To someone who does not know how to use it, Windows is hard to use. which one is easier to learn to use? Unix, without a doubt. I've taught ignorant people both, and there is no comparison. Unix is more powerful than many people feel comfortable with, of course, as they're insecure and unimaginative, as they've been taught to be. But Unix is undisputably easier. And that's not counting the command line. Anything with a command line is easier to learn, of course, because it is simpler (harder to memorize, perhaps, but easier to understand). But when dealing with a GUI, its best to have a rock-solid, stable and consistent system. So Unix wins, hands down. It's a lot less common, of course, since no Unix developer ever attempted to gain an illegal monopoly in OSes, let alone succeeded on the open-standard PC platform, but that's not what you asked. -- T. Max Devlin *** The best way to convince another is to state your case moderately and accurately. - Benjamin Franklin *** -- From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles Subject: Re: Baseball Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 05:14:08 GMT Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:48:36 -0600; T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Said Mike in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 05 Apr 2001 16:16:12 -0700; "." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why don't you do something to make unix as easy to use as windows while retaining the former's stability and put microsoft out of business? Windows isn't easy to use, it's pretty damned painful and stressful. To have excel GPF because you typed numbers into a cell, and lose your most recent work, is frustrating and inexplicable. Especially when you can load it up a second time and do exactly the same thing, but this time it wont crash. Every time I use linux, it does what I would expect it to do. THAT'S ease of use. WHERE ARE THE LINUX BILLIONAIRES? They're all over the place. Consider the "market price" of a PC OS. Let's say, fifty bucks. Now, that's just an EULA. A developer's license (yea, you see where I'm going with this) with source code and unlimited right to produce derivative property, that would probably cost no less than a few thousand bucks. But that's per computer; the right to distribute the OS or put it on any number (that's ANY NUMBER, one to one million, if you have, sell, or touch that many PCs) of computers. There are several million Linux billionaires, the way I see it. does my freeware copy of pacman make me a pacman billionaire? No. Freeware gives you no rights to the intellectual property; you merely have a copy of pacman, worth whatever you can get someone else to pay you for it. Kind of like a Windows license, accept you didn't give up your rights to sell it in order to get it. -- T. Max Devlin *** The best way to convince another is to state your
