Re: [LAD] envy24control, resp. it's successor
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 20:11:54 -0500 "Tim E. Real" wrote: > > ...quick question on the "Monitor PCMs" tab: Why are there 2 sliders > > per PCM out? Shouldn't L/R Gang join channels 1 & 2, 3 & 4 etc... > > > Oh, is the gang not working? It was last I checked. > Oh wait, maybe I see what you mean, replace the two sliders with only > one, when gang is on? It's working... > We talked about replacing this with a pan knob or slider, like the > Windows version. Exactly what I finally concluded would be a good idea, yes -- I'm a little late and missed the initial discussion. David ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
Excerpts from Harry Van Haaren's message of 2010-12-15 03:47:26 +0100: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:40 AM, Ralf Mardorf > wrote: > > > A lot of people do, but perhaps they do it for mails that anyway are in > > public, e.g. to correspond to mailing lists. > > > > Anybody know of a public email provider that is better? Or more so: that can > prove they are better? > Open to suggestions :-) > > -Harry I like lavabit, I trust them more than google, but I can't prove they are better and they aren't better in every respect. I need a gmail account now (because it's required for me to have access to some Google spreadsheet), but now wants my phone number or it won't let me create an account. Needless to say that I'm neither happy that I'm required to use google nor that I'm required to give them my phone number. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
rosea.grammostola wrote: On 12/14/2010 09:28 PM, gene heskett wrote: On Tuesday, December 14, 2010 03:27:37 pm Victor Lazzarini did opine: Stallman hitting the mainstream news: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/dec/14/chrome-os-richard -stallman-warning He's right. +1 I agree. I also think he is addressing the 'consumer' environment. As soon as Chrome OS works on netbooks people in stores will be convinced that it is the latest 'cool thing' to buy, unaware of what exactly 'cloud' means. I also agree that 'cloud computing' is much of a buzz word, it's not so different from the once-upon-a-time systems with client-server model no? Once you store your data on the server, you have to trust the server owner that the data is secure (in all meanings) That said as an audio user having an actual machine I can control and with enough hardware 'capabilities' is still a need I personally have and will have for many years. Lorenzo. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wednesday, December 15, 2010 05:01:58 am Tim E. Real did opine: > On December 14, 2010 10:04:10 pm Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 02:47 +, Harry Van Haaren wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:40 AM, Ralf Mardorf > > > > > > wrote: > > > A lot of people do, but perhaps they do it for mails that > > > anyway are in > > > public, e.g. to correspond to mailing lists. > > > > > > Anybody know of a public email provider that is better? Or more so: > > > that can prove they are better? > > > Open to suggestions :-) > > > > > > -Harry > > > > An evasive answer: For a while I used OpenPGP for emails ;). Perhaps > > all autistics and savants able to do prime factorization are only > > working for Google and no other provider or even intelligence > > services :D. > > Ha. Good one. > > But really, should we all be using some form of it? > I did for a while. I notice some folks here use it, some don't. > KMail always says unknown (I think we have to share keys). > Would it be better for LAD? Does it matter? > Will it, soon, the way things are going? > > Big brother is the corporations. > I used to be able to claim a prize in a bag of potato chips by walking > in to any store and handing over a ticket. Now I must 'register' > on-line. > > This technology we use is a delicate dance between convenience and > security, but I don't like what I'm seeing transpire these days... > > Here, our gov created a national "do not call" list, which we could join > and telemarketers would not be allowed to call us, if we said so. > People flocked to the list! > Then the gov sold the list to some marketing group. Ugh... > > Tim. Ralf I suspect, if he were to use pgp, would be like me, and only trust pgp-2.6.2a, the last one before they put Zimmerman in jail for a few years. I have often said, and have been called the uber paranoid for it, that one of the conditions of his release was that the next generation of pgp had a back door. Denials out the yang are always instantaneous, but none of them came from Pete, so I have no choice but to conclude he is under NDA as the price of his freedom. So I figure the lack of compatibility of modern versions means I might as well use plain text anyway. My views aren't secret anyway if you read my sig. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Knowledge without common sense is folly. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 05:14:56AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > Ralf I suspect, if he were to use pgp, would be like me, and only trust > pgp-2.6.2a, the last one before they put Zimmerman in jail for a few years. > I have often said, and have been called the uber paranoid for it, that one > of the conditions of his release was that the next generation of pgp had a > back door. PZ was never put in jail. He was investigated for illegal export of 'munitions', but the US government dropped the case after some years without any charges being filed. Ciao, -- FA There are three of them, and Alleline. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:03 AM, Dan Kegel wrote: > On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Harry Van Haaren > wrote: >> Anybody know of a public email provider that is better? Or more so: that can >> prove they are better? > > I'm afraid every webmail provider in the world is > going to have the same basic problem: you shouldn't > be trusting other people with your data. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/12/breaking-news-eff-victory-appeals-court-holds is a ray of hope, though... ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 05:14 -0500, gene heskett wrote: > On Wednesday, December 15, 2010 05:01:58 am Tim E. Real did opine: > > > On December 14, 2010 10:04:10 pm Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 02:47 +, Harry Van Haaren wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:40 AM, Ralf Mardorf > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > A lot of people do, but perhaps they do it for mails that > > > > anyway are in > > > > public, e.g. to correspond to mailing lists. > > > > > > > > Anybody know of a public email provider that is better? Or more so: > > > > that can prove they are better? > > > > Open to suggestions :-) > > > > > > > > -Harry > > > > > > An evasive answer: For a while I used OpenPGP for emails ;). Perhaps > > > all autistics and savants able to do prime factorization are only > > > working for Google and no other provider or even intelligence > > > services :D. > > > > Ha. Good one. > > > > But really, should we all be using some form of it? > > I did for a while. I notice some folks here use it, some don't. > > KMail always says unknown (I think we have to share keys). > > Would it be better for LAD? Does it matter? > > Will it, soon, the way things are going? > > > > Big brother is the corporations. > > I used to be able to claim a prize in a bag of potato chips by walking > > in to any store and handing over a ticket. Now I must 'register' > > on-line. > > > > This technology we use is a delicate dance between convenience and > > security, but I don't like what I'm seeing transpire these days... > > > > Here, our gov created a national "do not call" list, which we could join > > and telemarketers would not be allowed to call us, if we said so. > > People flocked to the list! > > Then the gov sold the list to some marketing group. Ugh... > > > > Tim. > > Ralf I suspect, if he were to use pgp, would be like me, and only trust > pgp-2.6.2a, the last one before they put Zimmerman in jail for a few years. > I have often said, and have been called the uber paranoid for it, that one > of the conditions of his release was that the next generation of pgp had a > back door. Denials out the yang are always instantaneous, but none of them > came from Pete, so I have no choice but to conclude he is under NDA as the > price of his freedom. So I figure the lack of compatibility of modern > versions means I might as well use plain text anyway. My views aren't > secret anyway if you read my sig. Hi Gene :) *chuckle* I wrote Tim off-list, because I thought it became OT for the OT thread. This reminds me, that I need to reply to some mails off-list to you too, sorry, I've got issues with antihypertensive drugs and less time at the moment and by the way, the side effects did effect my psyche, anyway, I didn't notice to be paranoid ;D, perhaps this will change, when reading more posts for this thread. Is it proved that there is a back door for versions ex 2.6.2a? Cheers! Ralf ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On 12/15/2010 11:14 AM, gene heskett wrote: > Ralf I suspect, if he were to use pgp, would be like me, and only trust > pgp-2.6.2a, the last one before they put Zimmerman in jail for a few years. > I have often said, and have been called the uber paranoid for it, that one > of the conditions of his release was that the next generation of pgp had a > back door. as they say, paranoia doesn't mean they're not after you! :-D i think this problem is mitigated somewhat by using open protocols with open crypto implementations that have undergone public scrutiny. unless you want to believe that "the NSA has quantum computers anyway and have solved the entire problem space years ago" :) ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 16:41 +0100, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: > On 12/15/2010 11:14 AM, gene heskett wrote: > > > Ralf I suspect, if he were to use pgp, would be like me, and only trust > > pgp-2.6.2a, the last one before they put Zimmerman in jail for a few years. > > I have often said, and have been called the uber paranoid for it, that one > > of the conditions of his release was that the next generation of pgp had a > > back door. > > as they say, paranoia doesn't mean they're not after you! > > :-D > > i think this problem is mitigated somewhat by using open protocols with > open crypto implementations that have undergone public scrutiny. unless > you want to believe that "the NSA has quantum computers anyway and have > solved the entire problem space years ago" :) PS: In the late 80ies German professional soldiers working as radio operators, who spied Russians radio, learn that it should take around 20 years to decrypted one mail. I know one and because it's a long time ago, he's allowed to speak about this. Nobody is allowed to speak about the current state, but it's still said, that it should take around 20 years. Suspect! I guess in 2020 or 2030 they are allowed to give information about the state of today. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 17:18 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 16:41 +0100, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: > > On 12/15/2010 11:14 AM, gene heskett wrote: > > > > > Ralf I suspect, if he were to use pgp, would be like me, and only trust > > > pgp-2.6.2a, the last one before they put Zimmerman in jail for a few > > > years. > > > I have often said, and have been called the uber paranoid for it, that > > > one > > > of the conditions of his release was that the next generation of pgp had > > > a > > > back door. > > > > as they say, paranoia doesn't mean they're not after you! > > > > :-D > > > > i think this problem is mitigated somewhat by using open protocols with > > open crypto implementations that have undergone public scrutiny. unless > > you want to believe that "the NSA has quantum computers anyway and have > > solved the entire problem space years ago" :) > > PS: In the late 80ies German professional soldiers working as radio > operators, who spied Russians radio, learn that it should take around 20 > years to decrypted one mail. I know one and because it's a long time > ago, he's allowed to speak about this. Nobody is allowed to speak about > the current state, but it's still said, that it should take around 20 > years. Suspect! I guess in 2020 or 2030 they are allowed to give > information about the state of today. 1988 - 20 = 1968, so how could they make a projection? I guess everybody heard about 10 to 30 years to hack an encrypted email years ago. Knowledge about this must be a fake, they're liars. Paranoia isn't adequate, but über-scepticism is suitable. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 16:41 +0100, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: > On 12/15/2010 11:14 AM, gene heskett wrote: > > > Ralf I suspect, if he were to use pgp, would be like me, and only trust > > pgp-2.6.2a, the last one before they put Zimmerman in jail for a few years. > > I have often said, and have been called the uber paranoid for it, that one > > of the conditions of his release was that the next generation of pgp had a > > back door. > > as they say, paranoia doesn't mean they're not after you! > > :-D > > i think this problem is mitigated somewhat by using open protocols with > open crypto implementations that have undergone public scrutiny. unless > you want to believe that "the NSA has quantum computers anyway and have > solved the entire problem space years ago" :) It might be that they have algorithms or autistics and savants as slaves that are able to decrypt 1,000 emails a day by prime factorization or some other way, but I guess they need to hack some more, but just 1,000 mails a day. Ma assalaama sisters and brothers of the jihad [1], Ralf [1] At least one of the NSA computers now needs to read the LAD archive. Dear NSA computer, this is just satire. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] envy24control, resp. it's successor
On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 17:36:11 -0700 Niels Mayer wrote: > On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Ralf Mardorf > wrote: > >Pardon, I didn't follow the progress of envy24control. Did you > >finish > > the recently development and if so, where can we/I get the latest > > source code? > > http:// mudita24.googlecode.com > > Status: still at 1.03. Waiting for Tim E. Real to commit and then > will release 1.04. Or use Tim's current patches (see link above). > > Niels > http://nielsmayer.com Hi, ICE1724 based sound cards share a lot of code in common with ICE1712 cards. Would it be possible to adapt envy24control in order to work with those cards, or to make one envy24htcontrol ? I am not a C/C++ developer myself, so I cannot contribute code for this work, but I own an audiophile 192 and can help with testing. Dominique --- "We have the heroes we deserve." ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
[LAD] Meego pulseaudio "compliance" and "enforcement" (was Re: [Meego-handset] Enabling Speakerphone)
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Marco Ballesio > Please check here: > > http://meego.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/pulseaudio-policy-enforcement/trees/master/src > to get a few more hints on the subject. Hopefully there's more than just source-code to describe the policies and enforcement. Is there a design document stating the "organizational" or "legal" or "human" reasons for said policies and enforcements? And, as a developer, where is the documentation for the appropriate layer to use, the appropriate API, etc -- e.g. for the original question that started this thread -- how to switch on/off speakers, FM-radio transmitter, etc on handset. ( cf my original reply http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-handset/2010-December/66.html ) Something high-level like the following Maemo document would be very helpful -- but I have been unsuccessful finding such documentation for Meego: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Multimedia_Domain Also, why not use ALSA use-case-manager: http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/node/14 UCM appears to be scheduled for other distros "handset" work: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/N/ARM/AlsaScenarioManager > the n900 Resource Policy enforcement points were directly interacting > with ALSA. As Krisztian pointed out, it's no more necessary (and at > the limit it may be dangerous for your system's health) to do so > within MeeGo, as the pulseaudio ports can elegantly handle the whole > thing. Potential to blow out my handset speakers duly noted (the n900 goes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up_to_eleven !), however, I wasn't advocating playing around with the ALSA layer indiscriminately, in fact, I specifically stated: > the "amixer" results of meego indicate an equally complicated > soundchip; where random hacking could render your system somewhat useless... > is there documentation on all these values?: > http://nielsmayer.com/meego/n900-card0-amixer.txt . > The only chip mentioned by name is > http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tpa6130a2.pdf "TPA6130A2 Headphone" Regarding my old nemesis, pulseaudio ( http://tinyurl.com/2976vu6 == http://old.nabble.com/uninstall-pulseaudio-to-increase-audio-app-stability-across-updates-(was-Re:-yum-update)-td27759501.html#a27759501 ), I think the only "elegant" thing about pulseaudio is that it's bluetooth handling works for those that care about bluetooth; given the number of bug-reports and incompatibilities pulseaudio generates in different distros, I'm not sure "elegant" is the right word >From my position, as a multimedia/ALSA/linux-audio developer, having to go through pulseaudio sounds like an all-around bad idea, and to have "enforcement" or "compliance" attached makes it sound even worse. Tell me it ain't so! There is a growing class of applications that do not want or need pulseaudio around -- those using http://jackaudio.org/ . When the jack audio server launches, the first thing it does it use dbus to disable pulseaudio. Is that also non compliant? It seems inappropriate to preclude an entire class of application -- real-time "pro" audio and video apps that utilize the Jack audio server to provide low-latency, tightly synchronized audio -- as needed for modern multimedia creation and playback. Perhaps such applications are a stretch for an OMAP3-class device, but given the many audio/media apps listed in http://omappedia.org/wiki/PEAP_Projects , clearly OMAP4 and beyond might not be, even on a puny "handset." Of course, those making such audio apps might sidestep pulseaudio compliance/latency/inefficiency issues by using http://opensoundcontrol.org/ and an external DAC ( http://gregsurges.com/tag/dac/ ). Finally, it seems odd that in a "handset" environment, pulseaudio is an absolute requirement. To me, it is just a waste of batteries, and a terrible source of unnecessary context switching and interrupts during audio playback. It's sort of like being forced to drive around in a gas-guzzling, oversized sport-utility vehicle with 10 foot tires and 5 feet of ground clearance -- just to drive to the market or work on a well-paved freeway on a summer's day -- even when one might prefer a bicycle, motorcycle, sports-car, subway, or whatever tool is best for the job. Given that's the argument against Java/Android on the handset (it's the SUV of languages/environments) it's unfortunate that lighter-weight and less monolithic and more "unixy" solutions aren't being pursued for audio on the Meego handset. Take for example HD audio/video playback -- something where you need a "sportscar" to get the latency and sample rate associated with the audio stream while also performing HD decoding (e.g. 16bit/96K audio is supported on omap3430 per http://and-developers.com/device_information ). Pulseaudio typically operates at a fixed rate and forces resampling to that rate, causing an oft perceptible loss in fidelity. So in order to allow "digital mixing" for n
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wednesday 15 December 2010 16:41:32 Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: > On 12/15/2010 11:14 AM, gene heskett wrote: > > Ralf I suspect, if he were to use pgp, would be like me, and only trust > > pgp-2.6.2a, the last one before they put Zimmerman in jail for a few > > years. I have often said, and have been called the uber paranoid for it, > > that one of the conditions of his release was that the next generation > > of pgp had a back door. > > as they say, paranoia doesn't mean they're not after you! > > :-D > > i think this problem is mitigated somewhat by using open protocols with > open crypto implementations that have undergone public scrutiny. unless > you want to believe that "the NSA has quantum computers anyway and have > solved the entire problem space years ago" :) Some months back fbi had to admit that current encryption is to good for them. After a year of trying they returned a hard-disk (which Mexican police asked them to decrypt) admitting they couldn't do anything to get the data... Went through fefe's blog... Have fun, Arnold signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 19:56 +0100, Arnold Krille wrote: > On Wednesday 15 December 2010 16:41:32 Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: > > On 12/15/2010 11:14 AM, gene heskett wrote: > > > Ralf I suspect, if he were to use pgp, would be like me, and only trust > > > pgp-2.6.2a, the last one before they put Zimmerman in jail for a few > > > years. I have often said, and have been called the uber paranoid for it, > > > that one of the conditions of his release was that the next generation > > > of pgp had a back door. > > > > as they say, paranoia doesn't mean they're not after you! > > > > :-D > > > > i think this problem is mitigated somewhat by using open protocols with > > open crypto implementations that have undergone public scrutiny. unless > > you want to believe that "the NSA has quantum computers anyway and have > > solved the entire problem space years ago" :) > > Some months back fbi had to admit that current encryption is to good for > them. > After a year of trying they returned a hard-disk (which Mexican police asked > them to decrypt) admitting they couldn't do anything to get the data... > Went through fefe's blog... > > Have fun, > > Arnold There still is a much easier way to decrypt mails. I'm not talking about a completely encrypted hard disk. Get the non-public, private key. Is this key saved in a file on a computer that is connected to the web, e.g. for usage directly with your mail client? Hack the firewall and get that key or burglarise the flat to get access to the non-public, private key. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wednesday 15 December 2010, at 19.56.04, Arnold Krille wrote: [...] > Some months back fbi had to admit that current encryption is to good for > them. After a year of trying they returned a hard-disk (which Mexican > police asked them to decrypt) admitting they couldn't do anything to get > the data... Went through fefe's blog... ...or maybe the files were just truly random noise from an analog source? ;-) ...or the FBI just *said* they couldn't do it, to lull us all into a false sense of security. -- //David Olofson - Consultant, Developer, Artist, Open Source Advocate .--- Games, examples, libraries, scripting, sound, music, graphics ---. | http://consulting.olofson.net http://olofsonarcade.com | '-' ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 21:50 +0100, David Olofson wrote: > ...or the FBI just *said* they couldn't do it, to lull us all into a > false sense of security. Exactly! ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wednesday 15 December 2010 20:40:20 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 19:56 +0100, Arnold Krille wrote: > > On Wednesday 15 December 2010 16:41:32 Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: > > > On 12/15/2010 11:14 AM, gene heskett wrote: > > > > Ralf I suspect, if he were to use pgp, would be like me, and only > > > > trust pgp-2.6.2a, the last one before they put Zimmerman in jail for > > > > a few years. I have often said, and have been called the uber > > > > paranoid for it, that one of the conditions of his release was that > > > > the next generation of pgp had a back door. > > > > > > as they say, paranoia doesn't mean they're not after you! > > > > > > :-D > > > > > > i think this problem is mitigated somewhat by using open protocols with > > > open crypto implementations that have undergone public scrutiny. unless > > > you want to believe that "the NSA has quantum computers anyway and have > > > solved the entire problem space years ago" :) > > > > Some months back fbi had to admit that current encryption is to good for > > them. After a year of trying they returned a hard-disk (which Mexican > > police asked them to decrypt) admitting they couldn't do anything to get > > the data... Went through fefe's blog... > > > > Have fun, > > > > Arnold > > There still is a much easier way to decrypt mails. I'm not talking about > a completely encrypted hard disk. Get the non-public, private key. Is > this key saved in a file on a computer that is connected to the web, > e.g. for usage directly with your mail client? Hack the firewall and get > that key or burglarise the flat to get access to the non-public, private > key. Still you have to know the password for the key :-P signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wednesday 15 December 2010 21:50:19 David Olofson wrote: > On Wednesday 15 December 2010, at 19.56.04, Arnold Krille > wrote: > [...] > > > Some months back fbi had to admit that current encryption is to good for > > them. After a year of trying they returned a hard-disk (which Mexican > > police asked them to decrypt) admitting they couldn't do anything to get > > the data... Went through fefe's blog... > > ...or maybe the files were just truly random noise from an analog source? > ;-) > > ...or the FBI just *said* they couldn't do it, to lull us all into a false > sense of security. Lets take a rational view: Most probably that hard-disk was connected with crime. And as it was Mexico, it would most probably be drugs. If they really did manage to break the encryption, someone in the chain would have said something about "thanks to the fbi we know from that hard-disk"... Staying rational, I don't think fbi/nsa/cia have enough money to fund years of research for quantum computing, producing working results capable of cracking todays hardest encryptions and not have anyone talk. Not that it wouldn't be possible given enough money, I just don't think they would have managed to spent enough money on this. If you speak German, read the blog from udo vetter (lawblog.de) and watch his talk on the ccc-congress where he (and several people from the audience) gave every-day testimonials of encrypted hard-discs where law-enforcement didn't get any valid data from. Have fun, Arnold signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On 15.12.2010 22:09, Arnold Krille wrote: > On Wednesday 15 December 2010 21:50:19 David Olofson wrote: >> On Wednesday 15 December 2010, at 19.56.04, Arnold Krille >> wrote: >> [...] >> >>> Some months back fbi had to admit that current encryption is to good for >>> them. After a year of trying they returned a hard-disk (which Mexican >>> police asked them to decrypt) admitting they couldn't do anything to get >>> the data... Went through fefe's blog... >> >> ...or maybe the files were just truly random noise from an analog source? >> ;-) >> >> ...or the FBI just *said* they couldn't do it, to lull us all into a false >> sense of security. > > Lets take a rational view: Let's go back to paranoia: Theo de Raadt's mail of yesterday http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=129236621626462&w=2 cu Thomas -- "From the perspective of communication analysis, government is not an instrument of law and order, but of law and disorder." (Gracchus Gruad in: Robert Shea & Robert A. Wilson, The Golden Apple) http://www.residuum.org/ ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wednesday, December 15, 2010 05:36:25 pm f...@kokkinizita.net did opine: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 05:14:56AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > Ralf I suspect, if he were to use pgp, would be like me, and only > > trust pgp-2.6.2a, the last one before they put Zimmerman in jail for > > a few years. I have often said, and have been called the uber > > paranoid for it, that one of the conditions of his release was that > > the next generation of pgp had a back door. > > PZ was never put in jail. He was investigated for illegal export of > 'munitions', but the US government dropped the case after some years > without any charges being filed. > > Ciao, Fons, no dis-respect intended, but I was there, observing closely, sitting behind the keyboard of a full house supercharged amiga back in those years. He did do 2 or 3 years. Don't forget, this is a prime example of that old saw about history being written by the winners, so the whole thing may have been white washed to a high polish by now. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) All generalizations are false, including this one. -- Mark Twain ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wednesday, December 15, 2010 05:44:12 pm Dan Kegel did opine: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:03 AM, Dan Kegel wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Harry Van Haaren wrote: > >> Anybody know of a public email provider that is better? Or more so: > >> that can prove they are better? > > > > I'm afraid every webmail provider in the world is > > going to have the same basic problem: you shouldn't > > be trusting other people with your data. > > https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/12/breaking-news-eff-victory-appeals- > court-holds is a ray of hope, though... Yes it is. Now, if we can just get a law that when I have pulled the msg to my machine, and issued the delete to the server, it truly was deleted, then they would need a search warrant to my machine in order to see yesterdays emails already pulled. The move has been to make the ISP's hold those supposedly deleted messages till the statutes run out, and TBT, there probably isn't an ISP on the planet with THAT much storage, not without treating it like an unfunded mandate. Which it sure is. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Even God lends a hand to honest boldness. -- Menander ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 5:42 PM, gene heskett wrote: > Fons, no dis-respect intended, but I was there, observing closely, sitting > behind the keyboard of a full house supercharged amiga back in those years. > > He did do 2 or 3 years. Don't forget, this is a prime example of that old > saw about history being written by the winners, so the whole thing may have > been white washed to a high polish by now. if so, they appear to have wiped google (and wikipedia) clean too. there is no record that i can find of zimmerman ever spending time in prison for PGP. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wednesday, December 15, 2010 05:51:45 pm Jörn Nettingsmeier did opine: > On 12/15/2010 11:14 AM, gene heskett wrote: > > Ralf I suspect, if he were to use pgp, would be like me, and only > > trust pgp-2.6.2a, the last one before they put Zimmerman in jail for > > a few years. I have often said, and have been called the uber > > paranoid for it, that one of the conditions of his release was that > > the next generation of pgp had a back door. > > as they say, paranoia doesn't mean they're not after you! > > :-D > > i think this problem is mitigated somewhat by using open protocols with > open crypto implementations that have undergone public scrutiny. unless > you want to believe that "the NSA has quantum computers anyway and have > solved the entire problem space years ago" :) > Not NASA, FBI. There are reports of 2 or 3 guys witnessing their machinery busting a post 2.6.2a PGP's key in 30 seconds. No clue if that passes the snope's sniff test or not, could be nothing more than propaganda to discourage its use too. It is still a problem for some methods though, just look at all the hoorah about R.I.M. a few months ago, and I doubt their encryption is even equal to a 256 bit PGP key. > ___ > Linux-audio-dev mailing list > Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) A little experience often upsets a lot of theory. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:51:20 -0500 Paul Davis wrote: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 5:42 PM, gene heskett wrote: > > > Fons, no dis-respect intended, but I was there, observing closely, sitting > > behind the keyboard of a full house supercharged amiga back in those years. > > > > He did do 2 or 3 years. Don't forget, this is a prime example of that old > > saw about history being written by the winners, so the whole thing may have > > been white washed to a high polish by now. > > if so, they appear to have wiped google (and wikipedia) clean too. > there is no record that i can find of zimmerman ever spending time in > prison for PGP. They seem to have wiped my memory as well. Also, I was under the impression his first name was Phil, not Pete. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:56:24 -0500 gene heskett wrote: > On Wednesday, December 15, 2010 05:51:45 pm Jörn Nettingsmeier did opine: > > > On 12/15/2010 11:14 AM, gene heskett wrote: > > > Ralf I suspect, if he were to use pgp, would be like me, and only > > > trust pgp-2.6.2a, the last one before they put Zimmerman in jail for > > > a few years. I have often said, and have been called the uber > > > paranoid for it, that one of the conditions of his release was that > > > the next generation of pgp had a back door. > > > > as they say, paranoia doesn't mean they're not after you! > > > > :-D > > > > i think this problem is mitigated somewhat by using open protocols with > > open crypto implementations that have undergone public scrutiny. unless > > you want to believe that "the NSA has quantum computers anyway and have > > solved the entire problem space years ago" :) > > > Not NASA, FBI. There are reports of 2 or 3 guys witnessing their machinery > busting a post 2.6.2a PGP's key in 30 seconds. No clue if that passes the > snope's sniff test or not, could be nothing more than propaganda to > discourage its use too. It is still a problem for some methods though, > just look at all the hoorah about R.I.M. a few months ago, and I doubt > their encryption is even equal to a 256 bit PGP key. Hmmm. GPG is mostly compatible with PGP and it has had crypto experts working on it for years. I would be surprised if they hadn't noticed any back door by now, and I don't see how PGP could have a major vulnerability without it reflecting back to GPG. Just my 2d -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 5:14 AM, gene heskett wrote: > Ralf I suspect, if he were to use pgp, would be like me, and only trust > pgp-2.6.2a, the last one before they put Zimmerman in jail for a few years. > I have often said, and have been called the uber paranoid for it, that one > of the conditions of his release was that the next generation of pgp had a > back door. Denials out the yang are always instantaneous, but none of them > came from Pete, so I have no choice but to conclude he is under NDA as the > price of his freedom. Wrong also: Q: I heard a rumor that you cut a deal with the US Government to put a back door in PGP in order to not be prosecuted for publishing PGP. Is this true? Come on, you can tell me, I won't tell anyone, I promise. A: You heard wrong. No, I didn't cut any deals, and would not have done so even if it was the only way to stay out of prison. But I didn't have to negotiate with them at all. After a three year criminal investigation, they did not indict me, because we beat them. This is from his own website: http://www.philzimmermann.com/EN/faq/index.html paranoia will only get you so far gene :) ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:42 PM, gene heskett wrote: >> > Ralf I suspect, if he were to use pgp, would be like me, and only >> > trust pgp-2.6.2a, the last one before they put Zimmerman in jail for >> > a few years. >> >> PZ was never put in jail. He was investigated for illegal export of >> 'munitions', but the US government dropped the case after some years >> without any charges being filed. > > Fons, no dis-respect intended, but I was there, observing closely, sitting > behind the keyboard of a full house supercharged amiga back in those years. > > He did do 2 or 3 years. Are you sure you're not confusing PZ with RS? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Zimmermann http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randall_schwartz http://www.crn.com/news/channel-programs/18827445/philip-zimmermann-privacy-activist.htm >From a quick scan of the web, it seems PZ did do jail briefly, but it was long before he wrote PGP. - Dan ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 05:51:20PM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 5:42 PM, gene heskett wrote: > > > Fons, no dis-respect intended, but I was there, observing closely, sitting > > behind the keyboard of a full house supercharged amiga back in those years. Where is 'there' ? What did you observe ? What has a supercharged amiga to do with this ? > > He did do 2 or 3 years. Don't forget, this is a prime example of that old > > saw about history being written by the winners, so the whole thing may have > > been white washed to a high polish by now. > > if so, they appear to have wiped google (and wikipedia) clean too. And reprinted all issues of Cryptologia (quarterly journal about cryptology which I've been reading for the pase 20 years or so), and several books, and the archives of all worldwide news agencies. And of course the memories of a number cryptology researchers I know personally have been reprogrammed as well. Ciao, -- FA There are three of them, and Alleline. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 17:51 -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > if so, they appear to have wiped google (and wikipedia) clean too. > there is no record that i can find of zimmerman ever spending time in > prison for PGP. I have seen Phil speak on the topic of encryption twice, have corresponded with him many times, and was a very early PGP user back in my MSDOS days, and I have no knowledge of him ever having served any jail time due to PGP. He was under investigation for many years, he was harassed at airports, and I'm sure the stress levels took years off his life, but he never did jail time. Best, Ricardus... ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:48 PM, gene heskett wrote: > Now, if we can just get a law that when I have ... issued the delete to > the server, it truly was deleted For what it's worth, Google's caution in promising deletion is probably because it's not quite sure how to do that quickly. Users would be Very Very Angry if a disk outage or a fire in a datacenter resulted in the loss of their stored email, so Google probably has some sort of offsite backup arrangement, and that might complicate prompt deletion. ... yup, http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=7401 says "residual copies of deleted messages and accounts may take up to 60 days to be deleted from our active servers and may remain in our backup systems." So, if you were google, would you use tape backup? If so, how would you do that permanent deletion thing? If not, how would you make darn sure you didn't anger users by losing messages during a disaster? - Dan p.s. I used to work there, so I'm probably more sympathetic to the problems they face than the average privacy activist. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wednesday, December 15, 2010 07:32:11 pm Paul Davis did opine: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 5:42 PM, gene heskett wrote: > > Fons, no dis-respect intended, but I was there, observing closely, > > sitting behind the keyboard of a full house supercharged amiga back > > in those years. > > > > He did do 2 or 3 years. �Don't forget, this is a prime example of that > > old saw about history being written by the winners, so the whole > > thing may have been white washed to a high polish by now. > > if so, they appear to have wiped google (and wikipedia) clean too. > there is no record that i can find of zimmerman ever spending time in > prison for PGP. And I have to admit a failure myself at this late date. His home page makes good reading today, but put a extra n on the end of his name. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) There is one difference between a tax collector and a taxidermist -- the taxidermist leaves the hide. -- Mortimer Caplan ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wednesday, December 15, 2010 07:34:43 pm Folderol did opine: > On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:51:20 -0500 > > Paul Davis wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 5:42 PM, gene heskett wrote: > > > Fons, no dis-respect intended, but I was there, observing closely, > > > sitting behind the keyboard of a full house supercharged amiga back > > > in those years. > > > > > > He did do 2 or 3 years. Don't forget, this is a prime example of > > > that old saw about history being written by the winners, so the > > > whole thing may have been white washed to a high polish by now. > > > > if so, they appear to have wiped google (and wikipedia) clean too. > > there is no record that i can find of zimmerman ever spending time in > > prison for PGP. > > They seem to have wiped my memory as well. Also, I was under the > impression his first name was Phil, not Pete. A slip of a mind suffering from flash wearout syndrome? It has been around 76 years now, and I realized the mistake _after_ I hit the send button. It wasn't the first time, and if I wake up in the morning, likely won't be the last. ;-) -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) There is one difference between a tax collector and a taxidermist -- the taxidermist leaves the hide. -- Mortimer Caplan ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wednesday, December 15, 2010 07:38:50 pm Paul Davis did opine: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 5:14 AM, gene heskett wrote: > > Ralf I suspect, if he were to use pgp, would be like me, and only > > trust pgp-2.6.2a, the last one before they put Zimmerman in jail for > > a few years. I have often said, and have been called the uber > > paranoid for it, that one of the conditions of his release was that > > the next generation of pgp had a back door. �Denials out the yang are > > always instantaneous, but none of them came from Pete, so I have no > > choice but to conclude he is under NDA as the price of his freedom. > > Wrong also: > > Q: I heard a rumor that you cut a deal with the US Government to put a > back door in PGP in order to not be prosecuted for publishing PGP. Is > this true? Come on, you can tell me, I won't tell anyone, I promise. > > A: You heard wrong. No, I didn't cut any deals, and would not have > done so even if it was the only way to stay out of prison. But I > didn't have to negotiate with them at all. After a three year criminal > investigation, they did not indict me, because we beat them. > > This is from his own website: > http://www.philzimmermann.com/EN/faq/index.html > > paranoia will only get you so far gene :) True, but what his own page says now, does not match the emails flying around about it back in the day. Unforch, to be able to back that up, I would have to have an email corpus that goes back farther than the 2002 date, when I had a crashed drive and lost everything I didn't have stored on the CoCo3's hard drive. That goes clear back to the Princeton days of the coco mailing list, but that stops in about 91 when I switched to an amiga, and that whole decade vaporized in drive crash after drive crash. So lets wrap it up and say that Phil's web page is correct. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) You have a deep interest in all that is artistic. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 21:47 +0100, Arnold Krille wrote: > On Wednesday 15 December 2010 20:40:20 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 19:56 +0100, Arnold Krille wrote: > > > On Wednesday 15 December 2010 16:41:32 Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: > > > > On 12/15/2010 11:14 AM, gene heskett wrote: > > > > > Ralf I suspect, if he were to use pgp, would be like me, and only > > > > > trust pgp-2.6.2a, the last one before they put Zimmerman in jail for > > > > > a few years. I have often said, and have been called the uber > > > > > paranoid for it, that one of the conditions of his release was that > > > > > the next generation of pgp had a back door. > > > > > > > > as they say, paranoia doesn't mean they're not after you! > > > > > > > > :-D > > > > > > > > i think this problem is mitigated somewhat by using open protocols with > > > > open crypto implementations that have undergone public scrutiny. unless > > > > you want to believe that "the NSA has quantum computers anyway and have > > > > solved the entire problem space years ago" :) > > > > > > Some months back fbi had to admit that current encryption is to good for > > > them. After a year of trying they returned a hard-disk (which Mexican > > > police asked them to decrypt) admitting they couldn't do anything to get > > > the data... Went through fefe's blog... > > > > > > Have fun, > > > > > > Arnold > > > > There still is a much easier way to decrypt mails. I'm not talking about > > a completely encrypted hard disk. Get the non-public, private key. Is > > this key saved in a file on a computer that is connected to the web, > > e.g. for usage directly with your mail client? Hack the firewall and get > > that key or burglarise the flat to get access to the non-public, private > > key. > > Still you have to know the password for the key :-P To be honest, I've forgotten about this :D, but anyway, hacking the password, resp. pass'phrase' should be easier to do. When hacking online, the time the pass'phrase' doesn't need to be typed again is important. It's also important how long 'su' for a terminal emulation could be active, without an 'auto'exit is executed, while there isn't activity by the admin. While it isn't easy to hack a good protected Linux, it's relative easy to hack an online audio workstation as mine, no firewall, no AppAmor etc. ;). ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 22:09 +0100, Arnold Krille wrote: > On Wednesday 15 December 2010 21:50:19 David Olofson wrote: > > On Wednesday 15 December 2010, at 19.56.04, Arnold Krille > > wrote: > > [...] > > > > > Some months back fbi had to admit that current encryption is to good for > > > them. After a year of trying they returned a hard-disk (which Mexican > > > police asked them to decrypt) admitting they couldn't do anything to get > > > the data... Went through fefe's blog... > > > > ...or maybe the files were just truly random noise from an analog source? > > ;-) > > > > ...or the FBI just *said* they couldn't do it, to lull us all into a false > > sense of security. > > Lets take a rational view: Most probably that hard-disk was connected with > crime. And as it was Mexico, it would most probably be drugs. If they really > did manage to break the encryption, someone in the chain would have said > something about "thanks to the fbi we know from that hard-disk"... > > Staying rational, I don't think fbi/nsa/cia have enough money to fund years > of > research for quantum computing, producing working results capable of cracking > todays hardest encryptions and not have anyone talk. A note, the bikers I know do have a saying: "Somebody always is watching" ... this means that if you just smash somebodies face, there will be a witness, that you didn't notice. I'm sure, this saying can be extended to "Somebody always will talk, especially when there is the offer, to be or not to be in a Mexican jail ;). > Not that it wouldn't be > possible given enough money, I just don't think they would have managed to > spent enough money on this. > > If you speak German, read the blog from udo vetter (lawblog.de) and watch his > talk on the ccc-congress where he (and several people from the audience) gave > every-day testimonials of encrypted hard-discs where law-enforcement didn't > get any valid data from. I'll do so, ASAP :). > > Have fun, > > Arnold ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 23:27 +0100, Thomas Mayer wrote: > On 15.12.2010 22:09, Arnold Krille wrote: > > On Wednesday 15 December 2010 21:50:19 David Olofson wrote: > >> On Wednesday 15 December 2010, at 19.56.04, Arnold Krille > >> wrote: > >> [...] > >> > >>> Some months back fbi had to admit that current encryption is to good for > >>> them. After a year of trying they returned a hard-disk (which Mexican > >>> police asked them to decrypt) admitting they couldn't do anything to get > >>> the data... Went through fefe's blog... > >> > >> ...or maybe the files were just truly random noise from an analog source? > >> ;-) > >> > >> ...or the FBI just *said* they couldn't do it, to lull us all into a false > >> sense of security. > > > > Lets take a rational view: > > Let's go back to paranoia: Theo de Raadt's mail of yesterday > > http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=129236621626462&w=2 > > cu Thomas Paranoia! I'm sceptic, but I do agree with Arnold, that OpenPGP is relative save. I'm just joking about possibilities to hack OpenPGP. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 17:42 -0500, gene heskett wrote: > history being written by the winners, so the whole thing may have > been white washed to a high polish by now. People who put their telephone handset into a thingy to be able to do data telecommunication, before there was the Internet for public, tend to be more sceptic/paranoid than youngsters ;). The reason for this is, that at that time, we might be hackers our self. I guess we can't compare the easy hacking that was possible at C64 times (or Amiga ;), with today data protection :D. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 17:48 -0500, gene heskett wrote: > On Wednesday, December 15, 2010 05:44:12 pm Dan Kegel did opine: > > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:03 AM, Dan Kegel wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Harry Van Haaren > wrote: > > >> Anybody know of a public email provider that is better? Or more so: > > >> that can prove they are better? > > > > > > I'm afraid every webmail provider in the world is > > > going to have the same basic problem: you shouldn't > > > be trusting other people with your data. > > > > https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/12/breaking-news-eff-victory-appeals- > > court-holds is a ray of hope, though... > > Yes it is. Now, if we can just get a law that when I have pulled the msg > to my machine, and issued the delete to the server, it truly was deleted, > then they would need a search warrant to my machine in order to see > yesterdays emails already pulled. The move has been to make the ISP's hold > those supposedly deleted messages till the statutes run out, and TBT, there > probably isn't an ISP on the planet with THAT much storage, not without > treating it like an unfunded mandate. Which it sure is. Good thought, 'rm' vs 'shred' ;), see 'man shred', but I'm sure they do run 'rm' or any Windows equivalent. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 23:07 +, Folderol wrote: > On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:51:20 -0500 > Paul Davis wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 5:42 PM, gene heskett wrote: > > > > > Fons, no dis-respect intended, but I was there, observing closely, sitting > > > behind the keyboard of a full house supercharged amiga back in those > > > years. > > > > > > He did do 2 or 3 years. Don't forget, this is a prime example of that old > > > saw about history being written by the winners, so the whole thing may > > > have > > > been white washed to a high polish by now. > > > > if so, they appear to have wiped google (and wikipedia) clean too. > > there is no record that i can find of zimmerman ever spending time in > > prison for PGP. > > They seem to have wiped my memory as well. Also, I was under the impression > his > first name was Phil, not Pete. > You can't remember it, because they cleaned your memory at Gitmo ;). Anyway, are you able to prove that Gene is mistaken, regarding to his 'paranoia'? ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
[LAD] ALSA multi plugin and JACK xrun callbacks
Hello, I'm looking for some advice for an interesting symptom of putting my M-Audio Fast Track Pro USB sound card into ALSA multi mode. This sound card has four physical outputs which are mapped to two 2 channel ALSA streams rather than one four channel stream. I used the ALSA multi plugin to combine these two streams into a single pcm device so JACK can interface with all four outputs. It is working nicely. Despite no perceptible problems in sound quality or latency, jackd is printing hundreds of XRUN callback warnings to the message console each second! I can operate the system perfectly fine, run multiple applications, connect them to the four virtual outputs with no audible timing issues. What is the meaning of this many XRUN callbacks per second? What kind of performance will this impact if not sound playback? Thanks for your help, Lee Azzarello ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 19:45 -0500, gene heskett wrote: > ... but what his own page says now, does not match the emails flying > around about it back in the day. Unforch, to be able to back that up, I > would have to have an email corpus that goes back farther than the 2002 > date, when I had a crashed drive and lost everything .. Ironically, if you had had your precious data in "the cloud" rather than on your own computer, this would not have happened. :-D [jma runs away and hides behind his mother] ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 05:02 +0100, Jens M Andreasen wrote: > On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 19:45 -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > ... but what his own page says now, does not match the emails flying > > around about it back in the day. Unforch, to be able to back that up, I > > would have to have an email corpus that goes back farther than the 2002 > > date, when I had a crashed drive and lost everything .. > > Ironically, if you had had your precious data in "the cloud" rather than > on your own computer, this would not have happened. :-D > > [jma runs away and hides behind his mother] That's it, mom isn't a good protection against a mercenary soldier or something similar. No doubt about it, Gene did mistaken regarding to 'Penelope' Zimmermann ;). Anyway, is he also mistaken, when being sceptic (I won't call it paranoid)? ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wednesday, December 15, 2010 11:44:41 pm Ralf Mardorf did opine: > On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 17:42 -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > history being written by the winners, so the whole thing may have > > been white washed to a high polish by now. > > People who put their telephone handset into a thingy to be able to do > data telecommunication, before there was the Internet for public, tend > to be more sceptic/paranoid than youngsters ;). Never did that. My first modem was a 120 baud device, but it was wired. Hooked up to the precursor to the coco3 I'm running right now, in the basement, logged into it over a serial port using minicom on this linux box. > The reason for this is, > that at that time, we might be hackers our self. I guess we can't > compare the easy hacking that was possible at C64 times (or Amiga ;), > with today data protection :D. The amiga is actually fairly late model here folks, I started with a quest super elf I built from a kit. Circa '77. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) LILO, you've got me on my knees! -- David Black, dbl...@pilot.njin.net, with apologies to Derek and the Dominos, and Werner Almsberger ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Wednesday, December 15, 2010 11:50:13 pm Jens M Andreasen did opine: > On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 19:45 -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > ... but what his own page says now, does not match the emails flying > > around about it back in the day. Unforch, to be able to back that up, > > I would have to have an email corpus that goes back farther than the > > 2002 date, when I had a crashed drive and lost everything .. > > Ironically, if you had had your precious data in "the cloud" rather than > on your own computer, this would not have happened. :-D > > [jma runs away and hides behind his mother] > I would too, after that one. ;-) If you think your data is safe in the cloud, I have a bridge in Sun City AZ I'd like to list for sale. Safe maybe, private? Donbesilly. > ___ > Linux-audio-dev mailing list > Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) I invented skydiving in 1989! ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] ALSA multi plugin and JACK xrun callbacks
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 4:21 AM, Lee Azzarello wrote: > Hello, I'm looking for some advice for an interesting symptom of > putting my M-Audio Fast Track Pro USB sound card into ALSA multi mode. I have no idea what might be happening, but an alternative to use several alsa devices in jack would be the alsa_in and alsa_out utilities shipped with jack, perhaps that will give you less trouble? Luis ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
[LAD] Linux-Audio-Workstation-Security (was: [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS)
On Thursday 16 December 2010 03:15:16 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > While it isn't easy to hack a good protected > Linux, it's relative easy to hack an online audio workstation as mine, > no firewall, no AppAmor etc. ;). Given how easy it is to protect an ubuntu system with ufw, there shouldn't be any machine without a firewall configured. In trusted environments like the own studio with a more sophisticated firewall gating the internet-access, the firewall settings can be more relaxed. But as more and more people use laptops (or pcs in 19" racks) at various locations, everyone should be aware that in these cases the "trusted network" ends at the connection from front-side-bus to network-device and configure the firewall accordingly. Have fun, Arnold signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Thursday 16 December 2010 01:13:24 Dan Kegel wrote: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:48 PM, gene heskett wrote: > > Now, if we can just get a law that when I have ... issued the delete to > > the server, it truly was deleted > > For what it's worth, Google's caution in promising deletion > is probably because it's not quite sure how to do that > quickly. Users would be Very Very Angry if a disk outage > or a fire in a datacenter resulted in the loss of their stored > email, so Google probably has some sort of offsite backup > arrangement, and that might complicate prompt deletion. > ... yup, > http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=7401 > says > "residual copies of deleted messages and accounts may take up > to 60 days to be deleted from our active servers and may remain in our > backup systems." > > So, if you were google, would you use tape backup? If so, > how would you do that permanent deletion thing? If not, > how would you make darn sure you didn't anger users by > losing messages during a disaster? I don't think google uses magnet-tapes or similar for any backups except the vital core data of its business. Given the number and size of their data- centers around the world, they just sync the data to a different part of the world an be done with it. Of course the deletion has to be synced to all remote-copies and probably also forwarded to older backups but once such a mechanism is implemented it should do the actual delete within a day... There are even universities that decided against a new tape-library and in favor of a big stack of disks for long-term backup because these where cheaper, similar reliable and much faster for restore. And they don't need a special tape-library-managing app to access the data, a file-browser or the command-line is enough... Have fun, Arnold signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS
On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 03:45:23 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > You can't remember it, because they cleaned your memory at Gitmo ;). > > Anyway, are you able to prove that Gene is mistaken, regarding to his > 'paranoia'? By definition, Paranoia is the *unreasonable* fear people are plotting against you. These days such a fear is not at all unreasonable! Hmmm. Governments around the world can now claim they've cured a mental illness :o -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
