Re: [LAD] What KvR didn´t understand.

2013-01-07 Thread Ove Karlsen

On 1/7/2013 1:57 PM, Ove Karlsen wrote:

What KvR didn´t understand 10 yrs ago, and still don´t understand.

Why does digital synths often sound so bad? Either stale, or harsh etc.

Let me tell you in complete truth and honesty, is has got nothing to 
do with digital. It has something to do with the engineers making the 
algorithms.


When I was a newbie DSP engineer, the first thing I tried was making a 
TB-303 filter. Which is what a lot of people do first. I talked to the 
people on #musicdsp, and they had little clue, some had tried and said 
it was difficult or impossible, some say they had succeded but their 
filters didn´t sound too good.


On a few days, not having touched code, since I was 12 years old, I 
did a resonance filter, that screamed and shreaked. Some engineers in 
the KvR forum, said it was a bad thing to do, because their job now 
got so much more difficult.


When in reality, it was not difficult at all. And this is typical for 
those kinds of engineers. They don´t get into the algorithm. They 
don´t understand what is going on. Instead very unecesary high-level 
theorems, they try to fit into what is simple analog feedback paths.


One of the guys even worked with supposedly professor for many years, 
and they did not come up with anything good.


They argue it is something to do with frequency-response, for 
instance, why the analog filters sound the way they do, and it cannot 
completely be done in digial.


All this is just crazy trash.

Later I actually looked at the schematics for the 303, and realized 
there was just four feedback-paths with one negative feedback-path 
around. It is as simple as that. That is all analog vintage 
synth-filters. There is absolutely no obscurity going on, it is as 
simple as it can be.


Knowing that analog has a certain headroom, and that components are a 
bit inaccurate, and there is often some highpassing going on, due to 
the frequency-response of the components, you can model that, VERY 
SIMPLY, and without much cpu use. Some of the stuff released on KvR 
uses extreme cpu, and even sounds bad.


Try this ok, in your synth, and you will realizing that digital can 
sound just as good as analog, and without the inaccuracies. And analog 
often has characteristics you DON´T want. So it is even better.


Released under The Beneficient Open-source licence. Please google it. 
Since this licence allows for functions alone, to be released as 
opensource you can make it a function, and use it alongside whatever 
else you use.



//licenced under The Beneficient Open-source Licence.
// Osc lo-emph.
b_lo = b_lo + ((-b_lo + b_v) * b_lfr); // for emulating the 
analog-charateristic of more saturation in the low-freq. (due to 
saturated buffers)

b_v = b_v - b_lo;
b_v = b_v + (b_lo * b_lgn);


// there was some earlier code here that was not intended in the paste.

if (i_ftype == 1) { // 24dB lowpass (ladder)
double b_rez = b_aflt5 - b_v; // sub = no attenuation with 
rez.
b_v = b_v - (b_rez*b_fres); // negative feedback for 
resonance.

b_v = b_v * b_off2; // gain offset
b_v = b_v + ((fvar90-0.5)*2); // bias
if (b_v  1) {b_v = 1;} else if (b_v  -1) {b_v = -1;} // 
clip


//sat/soften clip.
double b_vr = b_v; if (b_vr  0) {b_vr = -b_vr;}
b_vr = 1-b_vr;
b_vr = pow(b_vr,fvar91*10); // something I tested at the 
time, this is a filter from my synth Abdullah, and work in progress.

b_vr = 1-b_vr;
if (b_v  0) {b_vr = -b_vr;}

b_v = b_vr;
b_v = b_v - ((fvar90-0.5)*2); // bias
b_v = b_v / b_off2;

// you can also do clipping at 0.0001 for instance, and mix, and get a 
little resonance buildup, before resonance hits the audible range. A 
bit similar to how some zero-cross distortion works.


b_aflt1 = b_aflt1 + ((-b_aflt1 + b_v) * b_fenva);
b_aflt2 = b_aflt2 + ((-b_aflt2 + b_aflt1) * b_fenva);
b_aflt3 = b_aflt3 + ((-b_aflt3 + b_aflt2) * b_fenva);
b_aflt4 = b_aflt4 + ((-b_aflt4 + b_aflt3) * b_fenva);
b_v = b_aflt4;

b_hp = b_hp + ((-b_hp + b_v) * b_fhp); // highpass to 
emulate analog, and get nice resonance, and also remove DC.

b_v = b_v - b_hp;
b_aflt5 = b_v;
}


That is the ultimate analog filter, completely digital, and without 
inaccuracies, and ofcourse with perfect keytracking etc.


Forget all the obfuscating arrogant atheist KvR-nerds. This is the 
real deal.


And all my DSP is just as perfect, and they never did anything of that 
either.


And Unix-philosophy is really close to my philosophy of least 
obscurity. So it would be natural for this to develop and etablish 
itself on Linux. I was a hacker in my teens, and I guess many who 
have been into hacking, and brilliant programming, really celebrates 
God, and ofcourse comes to the same idea of 

Re: [LAD] What KvR didn´t understand.

2013-01-07 Thread Ove Karlsen

The Beneficient Open-Source licence:

http://paradoxuncreated.com/Blog/wordpress/?p=6198

It´s still a bit work in progress, but people who generally understand 
open-source, should be very familier with what it expresses.
Some small alternations might come, but not the general idea, of 
releasing as open-source, and the source staying open-source, and that 
it may be modified to be used alongside other licences, etc.


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Re: [LAD] What KvR didn´t understand.

2013-01-07 Thread Vytautas Jancauskas
This is completely off topic but are you mental?

On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Ove Karlsen 
ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com wrote:

 On 1/7/2013 1:57 PM, Ove Karlsen wrote:

 What KvR didn´t understand 10 yrs ago, and still don´t understand.

 Why does digital synths often sound so bad? Either stale, or harsh etc.

 Let me tell you in complete truth and honesty, is has got nothing to do
 with digital. It has something to do with the engineers making the
 algorithms.

 When I was a newbie DSP engineer, the first thing I tried was making a
 TB-303 filter. Which is what a lot of people do first. I talked to the
 people on #musicdsp, and they had little clue, some had tried and said it
 was difficult or impossible, some say they had succeded but their filters
 didn´t sound too good.

 On a few days, not having touched code, since I was 12 years old, I did a
 resonance filter, that screamed and shreaked. Some engineers in the KvR
 forum, said it was a bad thing to do, because their job now got so much
 more difficult.

 When in reality, it was not difficult at all. And this is typical for
 those kinds of engineers. They don´t get into the algorithm. They don´t
 understand what is going on. Instead very unecesary high-level theorems,
 they try to fit into what is simple analog feedback paths.

 One of the guys even worked with supposedly professor for many years, and
 they did not come up with anything good.

 They argue it is something to do with frequency-response, for instance,
 why the analog filters sound the way they do, and it cannot completely be
 done in digial.

 All this is just crazy trash.

 Later I actually looked at the schematics for the 303, and realized there
 was just four feedback-paths with one negative feedback-path around. It is
 as simple as that. That is all analog vintage synth-filters. There is
 absolutely no obscurity going on, it is as simple as it can be.

 Knowing that analog has a certain headroom, and that components are a bit
 inaccurate, and there is often some highpassing going on, due to the
 frequency-response of the components, you can model that, VERY SIMPLY, and
 without much cpu use. Some of the stuff released on KvR uses extreme cpu,
 and even sounds bad.

 Try this ok, in your synth, and you will realizing that digital can sound
 just as good as analog, and without the inaccuracies. And analog often has
 characteristics you DON´T want. So it is even better.

 Released under The Beneficient Open-source licence. Please google it.
 Since this licence allows for functions alone, to be released as opensource
 you can make it a function, and use it alongside whatever else you use.


 //licenced under The Beneficient Open-source Licence.
 // Osc lo-emph.
 b_lo = b_lo + ((-b_lo + b_v) * b_lfr); // for emulating the
 analog-charateristic of more saturation in the low-freq. (due to saturated
 buffers)
 b_v = b_v - b_lo;
 b_v = b_v + (b_lo * b_lgn);

  // there was some earlier code here that was not intended in the paste.

  if (i_ftype == 1) { // 24dB lowpass (ladder)
 double b_rez = b_aflt5 - b_v; // sub = no attenuation with
 rez.
 b_v = b_v - (b_rez*b_fres); // negative feedback for
 resonance.
 b_v = b_v * b_off2; // gain offset
 b_v = b_v + ((fvar90-0.5)*2); // bias
 if (b_v  1) {b_v = 1;} else if (b_v  -1) {b_v = -1;} // clip

 //sat/soften clip.
 double b_vr = b_v; if (b_vr  0) {b_vr = -b_vr;}
 b_vr = 1-b_vr;
 b_vr = pow(b_vr,fvar91*10); // something I tested at the
 time, this is a filter from my synth Abdullah, and work in progress.
 b_vr = 1-b_vr;
 if (b_v  0) {b_vr = -b_vr;}

 b_v = b_vr;
 b_v = b_v - ((fvar90-0.5)*2); // bias
 b_v = b_v / b_off2;

 // you can also do clipping at 0.0001 for instance, and mix, and get a
 little resonance buildup, before resonance hits the audible range. A bit
 similar to how some zero-cross distortion works.

 b_aflt1 = b_aflt1 + ((-b_aflt1 + b_v) * b_fenva);
 b_aflt2 = b_aflt2 + ((-b_aflt2 + b_aflt1) * b_fenva);
 b_aflt3 = b_aflt3 + ((-b_aflt3 + b_aflt2) * b_fenva);
 b_aflt4 = b_aflt4 + ((-b_aflt4 + b_aflt3) * b_fenva);
 b_v = b_aflt4;

 b_hp = b_hp + ((-b_hp + b_v) * b_fhp); // highpass to emulate
 analog, and get nice resonance, and also remove DC.
 b_v = b_v - b_hp;
 b_aflt5 = b_v;
 }


 That is the ultimate analog filter, completely digital, and without
 inaccuracies, and ofcourse with perfect keytracking etc.

 Forget all the obfuscating arrogant atheist KvR-nerds. This is the real
 deal.

 And all my DSP is just as perfect, and they never did anything of that
 either.

 And Unix-philosophy is really close to my philosophy of least
 obscurity. So it would be natural for this to develop and etablish itself
 on Linux. I 

Re: [LAD] What KvR didn´t understand.

2013-01-07 Thread Ove Karlsen
I have an audioexample here also. 
http://paradoxuncreated.com/Blog/wordpress/?p=1371


I thnk it is the iteration I pasted.

Check previous posts, for non-303 sound aswell.

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Re: [LAD] What KvR didn´t understand.

2013-01-07 Thread Ove Karlsen
I would like to take the oppourtunity to reply this with, that the 
psychiatry has become such an instritution of abuse, that bullies online 
have started using their phrases.


Please read: http://paradoxuncreated.com/Blog/wordpress/?p=1670

And recognize that this is a facist that only seeks to oppress and abuse 
you. And I am sure that the decent and respectable people in our 
civilization, has seen many of them, and I would like for you to take 
notice, that they use these kinds of expressions.


Having a political system, social, which have people like these 
working in childcare, psychiatric care, or elder care. is ofcourse to 
ask for abuse. I think that most people know that such attitudes are not 
tolerated in privately owned institutions. And so ofcourse I argue 
privatization, and the universal monotheism that is on my page, see 
theology, that is according to Gods praises, worship and religion. And 
all the names of God are good.


Peace Be With You.

On 1/7/2013 2:27 PM, Vytautas Jancauskas wrote:

This is completely off topic but are you mental?

On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Ove Karlsen 
ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com 
mailto:ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com wrote:


On 1/7/2013 1:57 PM, Ove Karlsen wrote:

What KvR didn´t understand 10 yrs ago, and still don´t understand.

Why does digital synths often sound so bad? Either stale, or
harsh etc.

Let me tell you in complete truth and honesty, is has got
nothing to do with digital. It has something to do with the
engineers making the algorithms.

When I was a newbie DSP engineer, the first thing I tried was
making a TB-303 filter. Which is what a lot of people do
first. I talked to the people on #musicdsp, and they had
little clue, some had tried and said it was difficult or
impossible, some say they had succeded but their filters
didn´t sound too good.

On a few days, not having touched code, since I was 12 years
old, I did a resonance filter, that screamed and shreaked.
Some engineers in the KvR forum, said it was a bad thing to
do, because their job now got so much more difficult.

When in reality, it was not difficult at all. And this is
typical for those kinds of engineers. They don´t get into the
algorithm. They don´t understand what is going on. Instead
very unecesary high-level theorems, they try to fit into what
is simple analog feedback paths.

One of the guys even worked with supposedly professor for many
years, and they did not come up with anything good.

They argue it is something to do with frequency-response, for
instance, why the analog filters sound the way they do, and it
cannot completely be done in digial.

All this is just crazy trash.

Later I actually looked at the schematics for the 303, and
realized there was just four feedback-paths with one negative
feedback-path around. It is as simple as that. That is all
analog vintage synth-filters. There is absolutely no
obscurity going on, it is as simple as it can be.

Knowing that analog has a certain headroom, and that
components are a bit inaccurate, and there is often some
highpassing going on, due to the frequency-response of the
components, you can model that, VERY SIMPLY, and without much
cpu use. Some of the stuff released on KvR uses extreme cpu,
and even sounds bad.

Try this ok, in your synth, and you will realizing that
digital can sound just as good as analog, and without the
inaccuracies. And analog often has characteristics you DON´T
want. So it is even better.

Released under The Beneficient Open-source licence. Please
google it. Since this licence allows for functions alone, to
be released as opensource you can make it a function, and use
it alongside whatever else you use.


//licenced under The Beneficient Open-source Licence.
// Osc lo-emph.
b_lo = b_lo + ((-b_lo + b_v) * b_lfr); // for
emulating the analog-charateristic of more saturation in the
low-freq. (due to saturated buffers)
b_v = b_v - b_lo;
b_v = b_v + (b_lo * b_lgn);

// there was some earlier code here that was not intended in the
paste.

if (i_ftype == 1) { // 24dB lowpass (ladder)
double b_rez = b_aflt5 - b_v; // sub = no
attenuation with rez.
b_v = b_v - (b_rez*b_fres); // negative feedback
for resonance.
b_v = b_v * b_off2; // gain offset
b_v = b_v + ((fvar90-0.5)*2); // bias
if (b_v  1) {b_v = 1;} else if (b_v  -1) {b_v =
-1;} // clip

//sat/soften clip.
   

Re: [LAD] What KvR didn´t understand.

2013-01-07 Thread Brett McCoy
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Ove Karlsen
ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com wrote:

 I would like to take the oppourtunity to reply this with, that the
 psychiatry has become such an instritution of abuse, that bullies online
 have started using their phrases.

lots of stuff snipped

Can we just stick with discussions of Linux audio?

-- 
Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com

In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it,
it would overturn the world.
-- Jelaleddin Rumi
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Re: [LAD] What KvR didn´t understand.

2013-01-07 Thread Ove Karlsen

On 1/7/2013 3:34 PM, Brett McCoy wrote:

On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Ove Karlsen
ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com wrote:


I would like to take the oppourtunity to reply this with, that the
psychiatry has become such an instritution of abuse, that bullies online
have started using their phrases.

lots of stuff snipped

Can we just stick with discussions of Linux audio?

And Personally, to idiots like these, I would like to say: 
www.worshipthediscusting.com is for you.


From www.worshipthediscusting.com

The ripest greetings from (gtc): Gay cottaging toilet-whore and general 
fertiliser enthusiast.


This is the GTC homepage: www.worshipthediscusting.com Here we can 
discuss what toilets are the best, and what fertiliser gives the right 
sprite.


Also related activities such as rolling around in maneur, claiming to  
be superior to the world, can be discussed here.


Fantasies about being raped by big brutus in shining armour, are 
especially welcome, and are especially nice as a variation on our 
regular obession with sucking strange dicks.


GTC.

That is right up their alley, I think.

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Re: [LAD] What KvR didn´t understand.

2013-01-07 Thread Patrick Shirkey

On Tue, January 8, 2013 1:46 am, Ove Karlsen wrote:
 On 1/7/2013 3:34 PM, Brett McCoy wrote:
 On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Ove Karlsen
 ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com wrote:

 I would like to take the oppourtunity to reply this with, that the
 psychiatry has become such an instritution of abuse, that bullies
 online
 have started using their phrases.
 lots of stuff snipped

 Can we just stick with discussions of Linux audio?

 And Personally, to idiots like these, I would like to say:
 www.worshipthediscusting.com is for you.

  From www.worshipthediscusting.com

 The ripest greetings from (gtc): Gay cottaging toilet-whore and general
 fertiliser enthusiast.

 This is the GTC homepage: www.worshipthediscusting.com Here we can
 discuss what toilets are the best, and what fertiliser gives the right
 sprite.

 Also related activities such as rolling around in maneur, claiming to
 be superior to the world, can be discussed here.

 Fantasies about being raped by big brutus in shining armour, are
 especially welcome, and are especially nice as a variation on our
 regular obession with sucking strange dicks.

 GTC.

 That is right up their alley, I think.


Literally ;-)


 Peace Be With You.

Slight contradiction here :-)

There is nothing wrong with speaking your mind as it takes all sorts to
make up a community but off topic discussions are generally worked out on
the LAU list.

Separate from that language like the above is usually reserved for IRC. We
tend to be a bit less vulgar on the mailing lists even though you might
find that many of the people on this list will also participate on IRC.
For those that do not the crossover can be disturbing.

You'll find you get a more considered discussion on the mailing lists if
you try to restrain yourself from going into vulgar language to make your
point.




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Re: [LAD] What KvR didn´t understand.

2013-01-07 Thread Paul Davis
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Ove Karlsen 
ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com wrote:

 On 1/7/2013 3:34 PM, Brett McCoy wrote:

 On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Ove Karlsen
 ove.karlsen@paradoxuncreated.**com ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com
 wrote:

  I would like to take the oppourtunity to reply this with, that the
 psychiatry has become such an instritution of abuse, that bullies online
 have started using their phrases.

 lots of stuff snipped

 Can we just stick with discussions of Linux audio?

  And Personally, to idiots like these, I would like to say:
 www.worshipthediscusting.com is for you.


This incredibly offensive - Brett was extremely polite to your off-topic
stuff. You've just been needlessly and excessively insulting. I don't know
what you are doing on LAD, but I will not read any further messages from
you.
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Re: [LAD] What KvR didn´t understand.

2013-01-07 Thread Ove Karlsen
To all people who want this trash gone, and their failure to understand 
decent thinking, read my research, establish islamic laws, and they will 
be executed. And decent people, and their families can live in peace.


Peace Be With You.

On 1/7/2013 3:53 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote:

On Tue, January 8, 2013 1:46 am, Ove Karlsen wrote:

On 1/7/2013 3:34 PM, Brett McCoy wrote:

On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Ove Karlsen
ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com wrote:


I would like to take the oppourtunity to reply this with, that the
psychiatry has become such an instritution of abuse, that bullies
online
have started using their phrases.

lots of stuff snipped

Can we just stick with discussions of Linux audio?


And Personally, to idiots like these, I would like to say:
www.worshipthediscusting.com is for you.

  From www.worshipthediscusting.com

The ripest greetings from (gtc): Gay cottaging toilet-whore and general
fertiliser enthusiast.

This is the GTC homepage: www.worshipthediscusting.com Here we can
discuss what toilets are the best, and what fertiliser gives the right
sprite.

Also related activities such as rolling around in maneur, claiming to
be superior to the world, can be discussed here.

Fantasies about being raped by big brutus in shining armour, are
especially welcome, and are especially nice as a variation on our
regular obession with sucking strange dicks.

GTC.

That is right up their alley, I think.


Literally ;-)


Peace Be With You.

Slight contradiction here :-)

There is nothing wrong with speaking your mind as it takes all sorts to
make up a community but off topic discussions are generally worked out on
the LAU list.

Separate from that language like the above is usually reserved for IRC. We
tend to be a bit less vulgar on the mailing lists even though you might
find that many of the people on this list will also participate on IRC.
For those that do not the crossover can be disturbing.

You'll find you get a more considered discussion on the mailing lists if
you try to restrain yourself from going into vulgar language to make your
point.




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Re: [LAD] What KvR didn´t understand.

2013-01-07 Thread David Robillard
On Mon, 2013-01-07 at 14:20 +0100, Ove Karlsen wrote:
 The Beneficient Open-Source licence:
 
 http://paradoxuncreated.com/Blog/wordpress/?p=6198

This license is incredibly ambiguous and inadequate, so much so that
calling it open source is a bit of a stretch.

If you want to actually have your code be useful to people, use an
existing established (e.g. OSI/FSF certified) license so that people can
actually use it in projects without worry.  Vanity licenses are just a
pain for everybody; using them is the opposite of beneficent.

Copyright licenses are not the place for statements of intent,
hand-wavey language, and appeals common sense.  Put that stuff
elsewhere and use a license that actually does the job of a licence.

-dr



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Re: [LAD] What KvR didn´t understand.

2013-01-07 Thread Nils Gey
On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 14:20:16 +0100
Ove Karlsen ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com wrote:

 The Beneficient Open-Source licence:
 
 http://paradoxuncreated.com/Blog/wordpress/?p=6198
 
 It´s still a bit work in progress, but people who generally understand 
 open-source, should be very familier with what it expresses.
 Some small alternations might come, but not the general idea, of 
 releasing as open-source, and the source staying open-source, and that 
 it may be modified to be used alongside other licences, etc. 


This license is build on a lie.:

to benefit humankind, in the path of God

Odin does not exist but is a fairy-tale so you can't base a license his path. 
Better stick with the GPL. 

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Re: [LAD] What KvR didn´t understand.

2013-01-07 Thread Ove Karlsen
Paul Davies go back to your nerdy and obscure site, and use windows 
software in wine, like idiots do. Imagine running something poorer in a 
windows emulation. Are you so poor from your obscure website that you 
cannot even purchase windows, and atleast appreciate things working 
properly? You are all a joke. And uneccesary. And I could write entire 
linux audio layer on my own, if I wished. But I guess I can just use 
windows for the time being. See I am not gay who tortures myself, only 
to serve idiots like you. We have clowns working in MS, that does what 
professional people like me want. Get a job in MS, and dance around like 
ballmer. DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS.


On 1/7/2013 3:57 PM, Paul Davis wrote:




On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Ove Karlsen 
ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com 
mailto:ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com wrote:


On 1/7/2013 3:34 PM, Brett McCoy wrote:

On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Ove Karlsen
ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com
mailto:ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com wrote:

I would like to take the oppourtunity to reply this with,
that the
psychiatry has become such an instritution of abuse, that
bullies online
have started using their phrases.

lots of stuff snipped

Can we just stick with discussions of Linux audio?

And Personally, to idiots like these, I would like to say:
www.worshipthediscusting.com http://www.worshipthediscusting.com
is for you.


This incredibly offensive - Brett was extremely polite to your 
off-topic stuff. You've just been needlessly and excessively 
insulting. I don't know what you are doing on LAD, but I will not read 
any further messages from you.


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2013-01-07 Thread Ove Karlsen

On 1/7/2013 4:37 PM, Nils Gey wrote:

On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 14:20:16 +0100
Ove Karlsen ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com wrote:


The Beneficient Open-Source licence:

http://paradoxuncreated.com/Blog/wordpress/?p=6198

It´s still a bit work in progress, but people who generally understand
open-source, should be very familier with what it expresses.
Some small alternations might come, but not the general idea, of
releasing as open-source, and the source staying open-source, and that
it may be modified to be used alongside other licences, etc.


This license is build on a lie.:


to benefit humankind, in the path of God

Odin does not exist but is a fairy-tale so you can't base a license his path. 
Better stick with the GPL.

Nils


Nils what you really should do is, make the Object That Moves On Its Own 
Licence. When you pick up a rock, it was the rock that moved itself. 
That is not a fairlytale. That you can tell to all the fantasyconcepts 
in your head, and convince yourself is right. And btw, the gay toilets 
away you. GTC is your friend.

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Re: [LAD] What KvR didn´t understand.

2013-01-07 Thread Nils Gey
On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 16:41:34 +0100
Ove Karlsen ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com wrote:


And btw, the gay toilets away you. 

I think that means await.

If you intended to offend me maybe you should not have picked something to say 
which is not offensive at all.


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2013-01-07 Thread Neil C Smith
For the love of insert fairy tale deity please ban obvious troll! ;)

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On 7 Jan 2013 15:41, Ove Karlsen ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com wrote:

 On 1/7/2013 4:37 PM, Nils Gey wrote:

 On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 14:20:16 +0100
 Ove Karlsen 
 ove.karlsen@paradoxuncreated.**comove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com
 wrote:

  The Beneficient Open-Source licence:

 http://paradoxuncreated.com/**Blog/wordpress/?p=6198http://paradoxuncreated.com/Blog/wordpress/?p=6198

 It´s still a bit work in progress, but people who generally understand
 open-source, should be very familier with what it expresses.
 Some small alternations might come, but not the general idea, of
 releasing as open-source, and the source staying open-source, and that
 it may be modified to be used alongside other licences, etc.


 This license is build on a lie.:

  to benefit humankind, in the path of God

 Odin does not exist but is a fairy-tale so you can't base a license his
 path. Better stick with the GPL.

 Nils


 Nils what you really should do is, make the Object That Moves On Its Own
 Licence. When you pick up a rock, it was the rock that moved itself. That
 is not a fairlytale. That you can tell to all the fantasyconcepts in your
 head, and convince yourself is right. And btw, the gay toilets away you.
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Re: [LAD] What KvR didn´t understand.

2013-01-07 Thread Paul Giblock
Ban all the gay toilets while you are at it.

-- Paul

On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Neil C Smith n...@neilcsmith.net wrote:
 For the love of insert fairy tale deity please ban obvious troll! ;)

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 On 7 Jan 2013 15:41, Ove Karlsen ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com wrote:

 On 1/7/2013 4:37 PM, Nils Gey wrote:

 On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 14:20:16 +0100
 Ove Karlsen ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com wrote:

 The Beneficient Open-Source licence:

 http://paradoxuncreated.com/Blog/wordpress/?p=6198

 It´s still a bit work in progress, but people who generally understand
 open-source, should be very familier with what it expresses.
 Some small alternations might come, but not the general idea, of
 releasing as open-source, and the source staying open-source, and that
 it may be modified to be used alongside other licences, etc.


 This license is build on a lie.:

 to benefit humankind, in the path of God

 Odin does not exist but is a fairy-tale so you can't base a license his
 path. Better stick with the GPL.

 Nils


 Nils what you really should do is, make the Object That Moves On Its Own
 Licence. When you pick up a rock, it was the rock that moved itself. That is
 not a fairlytale. That you can tell to all the fantasyconcepts in your head,
 and convince yourself is right. And btw, the gay toilets away you. GTC is
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Re: [LAD] What KvR didn´t understand.

2013-01-07 Thread Ove Karlsen
Just get the fuck back in your chair, and clown up some code, and I am 
going to do whatever I want with it. Maybe ultimately you do something 
that resembles sanity, and I just just get in there and tighten it up a 
bit. I recently did that on the entire linux kernel, and made 
jitter-sensitive games like doom 3 run perfectly. On 5 year old 
hardware. Nobody knew it was possible, and many thought it was 
disk-reads or other things that happened, and should be there. I 
guess without a good man of God, are you are completely hopeless. And 
none of you either has done the DSP I have done. So get back to the 
self-torture of being you, and your suboptimal code, who no doubt gays 
and fertilizer enthusiasts can understand your like of.


Peace Be With You.


On 1/7/2013 4:46 PM, Neil C Smith wrote:


For the love of insert fairy tale deity please ban obvious troll! ;)

Neil C Smith
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On 7 Jan 2013 15:41, Ove Karlsen ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com 
mailto:ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com wrote:


On 1/7/2013 4:37 PM, Nils Gey wrote:

On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 14:20:16 +0100
Ove Karlsen ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com
mailto:ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com wrote:

The Beneficient Open-Source licence:

http://paradoxuncreated.com/Blog/wordpress/?p=6198

It´s still a bit work in progress, but people who
generally understand
open-source, should be very familier with what it expresses.
Some small alternations might come, but not the general
idea, of
releasing as open-source, and the source staying
open-source, and that
it may be modified to be used alongside other licences, etc.


This license is build on a lie.:

to benefit humankind, in the path of God

Odin does not exist but is a fairy-tale so you can't base a
license his path. Better stick with the GPL.

Nils


Nils what you really should do is, make the Object That Moves On
Its Own Licence. When you pick up a rock, it was the rock that
moved itself. That is not a fairlytale. That you can tell to all
the fantasyconcepts in your head, and convince yourself is right.
And btw, the gay toilets away you. GTC is your friend.

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Re: [LAD] What KvR didn´t understand.

2013-01-07 Thread Patrick Shirkey

On Tue, January 8, 2013 3:21 am, Vytautas Jancauskas wrote:
 He can't be for real. Come on.


That's the problem with too much Acid and Ganjah. They tend to confuse the
neural pathways so what seems like rational thought processes are actually
pretty abstract with large leaps being made.

However it's better than extreme cocaine or crystal meth abuse because
then things just become completely incoherent.

Given the state of the worlds elite leadership I will take confusing
ramblings of an otherwise well intentioned  homophobic Acid head (even on
LAD) over the piss poor performance of cocaine and alcohol soaked
politicians any day.

I am a little concerned at his intolerance for sexual preference. Either
he is very badly brainwashed to think that homosexuality makes a person
evil/stupid/inferior or he hasn't realise the immaturity of using such
language as a form of attack.

With his insistence that he is a godly person while also being so
aggressive it seems he has a few issues to work out which could also be
the cause of his obvious substance abuse. However it could be that he is
just responding to his social environment. Maybe he is from a part of the
world where they are intolerant towards homosexuals, believe strongly in
God and are generally agressive towards anyone who does not agree with
their view of the world.

Not sure which part of the world that would be though. Anyone have any ideas?


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 On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Ove Karlsen 
 ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com wrote:

  Just get the fuck back in your chair, and clown up some code, and I am
 going to do whatever I want with it. Maybe ultimately you do something
 that
 resembles sanity, and I just just get in there and tighten it up a bit.
 I
 recently did that on the entire linux kernel, and made jitter-sensitive
 games like doom 3 run perfectly. On 5 year old hardware. Nobody knew it
 was
 possible, and many thought it was disk-reads or other things that
 happened, and should be there. I guess without a good man of God, are
 you
 are completely hopeless. And none of you either has done the DSP I have
 done. So get back to the self-torture of being you, and your suboptimal
 code, who no doubt gays and fertilizer enthusiasts can understand your
 like
 of.

 Peace Be With You.



 On 1/7/2013 4:46 PM, Neil C Smith wrote:

 For the love of insert fairy tale deity please ban obvious troll! ;)

 Neil C Smith
 Artist : Technologist : Adviser
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 On 7 Jan 2013 15:41, Ove Karlsen ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com
 wrote:

 On 1/7/2013 4:37 PM, Nils Gey wrote:

 On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 14:20:16 +0100
 Ove Karlsen ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com wrote:

  The Beneficient Open-Source licence:

 http://paradoxuncreated.com/Blog/wordpress/?p=6198

 It´s still a bit work in progress, but people who generally
 understand
 open-source, should be very familier with what it expresses.
 Some small alternations might come, but not the general idea, of
 releasing as open-source, and the source staying open-source, and
 that
 it may be modified to be used alongside other licences, etc.


 This license is build on a lie.:

  to benefit humankind, in the path of God

 Odin does not exist but is a fairy-tale so you can't base a license
 his
 path. Better stick with the GPL.

 Nils


 Nils what you really should do is, make the Object That Moves On Its
 Own
 Licence. When you pick up a rock, it was the rock that moved itself.
 That
 is not a fairlytale. That you can tell to all the fantasyconcepts in
 your
 head, and convince yourself is right. And btw, the gay toilets away
 you.
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Re: [LAD] What KvR didn´t understand.

2013-01-07 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote:

 just responding to his social environment. Maybe he is from a part of the
 world where they are intolerant towards homosexuals, believe strongly in
 God and are generally agressive towards anyone who does not agree with
 their view of the world.

 Not sure which part of the world that would be though. Anyone have any ideas?

Sounds like my grandma's kitchen.

Now, infidels, could we _please_ get back to less interesting things
like linux audio?

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Re: [LAD] What KvR didn´t understand.

2013-01-07 Thread Ove Karlsen
Wow I think I can actually feel your anus opening up, and getting ready 
for toiletsex.


On 1/7/2013 5:31 PM, Charles Henry wrote:
OMG this is funny.  I suppose I have a guilty pleasure for internet 
flame wars.
Keep going, Ove.  You're *this close* to topping the (locally 
legendary) tirade from a web-developer-turned-academic who insisted 
Linux was a defective little cult.



On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Vytautas Jancauskas 
unau...@gmail.com mailto:unau...@gmail.com wrote:


He can't be for real. Come on.


On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Ove Karlsen
ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com
mailto:ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com wrote:

Just get the fuck back in your chair, and clown up some code,
and I am going to do whatever I want with it. Maybe ultimately
you do something that resembles sanity, and I just just get in
there and tighten it up a bit. I recently did that on the
entire linux kernel, and made jitter-sensitive games like doom
3 run perfectly. On 5 year old hardware. Nobody knew it was
possible, and many thought it was disk-reads or other things
that happened, and should be there. I guess without a good
man of God, are you are completely hopeless. And none of you
either has done the DSP I have done. So get back to the
self-torture of being you, and your suboptimal code, who no
doubt gays and fertilizer enthusiasts can understand your like of.

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Re: [LAD] What KvR didn´t understand.

2013-01-07 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 03:41:57AM +1100, Patrick Shirkey wrote:

 Maybe he is from a part of the world where they are intolerant
 towards homosexuals, believe strongly in God and are generally
 agressive towards anyone who does not agree with their view of
 the world.

Norway apparently. Beyond repair if you ask me, reminds me of
the fanatics portrayed in some Swedish crime novels. Maybe at
some point in his life he has experienced a form of physical
attraction to a male and failed to come to terms with it. 

May reason be with you.

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Re: [LAD] What KvR didn´t understand.

2013-01-07 Thread Ove Karlsen
And yeah don`t forget your FAVORITE, Barrys satan maximizer. So much 
distortion that satan is EXTREMELY proud of you. Made in LADSPA, the 
happy go-lucky put the same number in code, atleast 10 times. A VARIABLE 
IS SIMPLY FORBIDDEN.

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Re: [LAD] What KvR didn´t understand.

2013-01-07 Thread Dominique Michel
Le Mon, 07 Jan 2013 16:24:10 +0100,
Ove Karlsen ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com a écrit :

 To all people who want this trash gone, and their failure to
 understand decent thinking, read my research, establish islamic laws,
 and they will be executed. And decent people, and their families can
 live in peace.
.. after the dead or in some other life after the dead. This is the
credo of all the religions. The only true problem is that I am living
here and now, not in some hypothetical place conjugated to the
hypothetical future of the unconditional of the more-than-perfect! This
is why the only God I trust is my own Sacred Spirit!

Computer science is about rational thinking. Religion is about
non-rational superstitions. You are mixing all together into a totally
non-understandable thinking. So, wake-up and stay on focus: this list
is about linux audio development, not about some religious path to the
Armageddon. For this last subject (the Armagedon dear to all religions),
it is plenty of list and forums elsewhere on the internet.

It took centuries in Europa to get ride of all those religious
dictatorships! Sweden was the last European country to separate the
state from the religion in 1923.
 Peace Be With You.
without idiotic religious dictatorship!

Join you own Sacred Spirit and the peace will be with you!


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Re: [LAD] What KvR didn´t understand.

2013-01-07 Thread Ove Karlsen

On 1/7/2013 6:10 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:

On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 03:41:57AM +1100, Patrick Shirkey wrote:


Maybe he is from a part of the world where they are intolerant
towards homosexuals, believe strongly in God and are generally
agressive towards anyone who does not agree with their view of
the world.

Norway apparently. Beyond repair if you ask me, reminds me of
the fanatics portrayed in some Swedish crime novels. Maybe at
some point in his life he has experienced a form of physical
attraction to a male and failed to come to terms with it.

May reason be with you.



Og Fons you are so freaking beautful and your code so magnificent. I 
want you on the toilet now. Are you ready?

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Re: [LAD] What KvR didn´t understand.

2013-01-07 Thread Ove Karlsen

http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=1207070949

And dudes don`t forget, you can find love, right here on the 
linux-audio-dev. Don`t deny your mate.

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Re: [LAD] What KvR didn´t understand.

2013-01-07 Thread Patrick Shirkey

On Tue, January 8, 2013 4:08 am, Ove Karlsen wrote:
 Even if you write an entire article against drugs, some fuckwit is going
 to claim you use them.

Seems obvious to me that you are severely affected by prolonged substance
abuse. However if you are sure that it is not substance related then I
suggest you should look at getting a medical card and taking a trip down
to your local green grocer. I'm sure you can find something to mellow you
out there.

 It suits the quality of thinking that the linux
 audio stack and software shows.

So you don't like Linux Audio? You're going to have a tough time winning
over folks round here if that is your MO.

 Go back to retarded copypaste form
 obscure code, celebrate as many buttons and archaicness as possible
 ARDOUR. Or some here probably still think trackers are the greatest
 thing. Joe Hick: Look at them asciibars flowing up joe. That is some
 kind of technology right there.


Once again you make what seems to you to be rational leaps but it ends up
being just confusing.

Are you actually suggesting the Ardour has an archaic interface? By
archaic do you mean that is doesn't incorporate opengl 3d visuals or are
you saying that you don't like the gtk toolkit?

I was going to suggest that you try out Sauerbraten and Red Eclipse if you
want better quality gaming experience than Quake which is IMO outdated
these days. Cube engine is written in SDL and C++. The Sauerbraten
community might suit your agressive nature but it appears that you would
be too incoherent for those guys to put up with (and they can be brutal)
so I'm not sure what would work for you now.




 On 1/7/2013 5:41 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
 On Tue, January 8, 2013 3:21 am, Vytautas Jancauskas wrote:
 He can't be for real. Come on.

 That's the problem with too much Acid and Ganjah. They tend to confuse
 the
 neural pathways so what seems like rational thought processes are
 actually
 pretty abstract with large leaps being made.

 However it's better than extreme cocaine or crystal meth abuse because
 then things just become completely incoherent.

 Given the state of the worlds elite leadership I will take confusing
 ramblings of an otherwise well intentioned  homophobic Acid head (even
 on
 LAD) over the piss poor performance of cocaine and alcohol soaked
 politicians any day.

 I am a little concerned at his intolerance for sexual preference. Either
 he is very badly brainwashed to think that homosexuality makes a person
 evil/stupid/inferior or he hasn't realise the immaturity of using such
 language as a form of attack.

 With his insistence that he is a godly person while also being so
 aggressive it seems he has a few issues to work out which could also be
 the cause of his obvious substance abuse. However it could be that he is
 just responding to his social environment. Maybe he is from a part of
 the
 world where they are intolerant towards homosexuals, believe strongly in
 God and are generally agressive towards anyone who does not agree with
 their view of the world.

 Not sure which part of the world that would be though. Anyone have any
 ideas?


 --
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 Boost Hardware Ltd

 On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Ove Karlsen 
 ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com wrote:

   Just get the fuck back in your chair, and clown up some code, and I
 am
 going to do whatever I want with it. Maybe ultimately you do something
 that
 resembles sanity, and I just just get in there and tighten it up a
 bit.
 I
 recently did that on the entire linux kernel, and made
 jitter-sensitive
 games like doom 3 run perfectly. On 5 year old hardware. Nobody knew
 it
 was
 possible, and many thought it was disk-reads or other things that
 happened, and should be there. I guess without a good man of God,
 are
 you
 are completely hopeless. And none of you either has done the DSP I
 have
 done. So get back to the self-torture of being you, and your
 suboptimal
 code, who no doubt gays and fertilizer enthusiasts can understand your
 like
 of.

 Peace Be With You.



 On 1/7/2013 4:46 PM, Neil C Smith wrote:

 For the love of insert fairy tale deity please ban obvious troll! ;)

 Neil C Smith
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 On 7 Jan 2013 15:41, Ove Karlsen ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com
 wrote:

 On 1/7/2013 4:37 PM, Nils Gey wrote:

 On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 14:20:16 +0100
 Ove Karlsen ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com wrote:

   The Beneficient Open-Source licence:
 http://paradoxuncreated.com/Blog/wordpress/?p=6198

 It´s still a bit work in progress, but people who generally
 understand
 open-source, should be very familier with what it expresses.
 Some small alternations might come, but not the general idea, of
 releasing as open-source, and the source staying open-source, and
 that
 it may be modified to be used alongside other licences, etc.

 This license is build on a lie.:

   to benefit humankind, in the path of God
 Odin does not exist but is a fairy-tale so you can't base a 

Re: [LAD] What KvR didn´t understand.

2013-01-07 Thread Ove Karlsen
Go to R.S and cry, We sit in code all day, and doesn´t notice the world 
around has moved far away, and the rest of people far above, and ask him 
again to explain to you that FREE is not related to BEER. And ofcourse 
do not use the word open-source.  NO NO NO slap on wrist there. LOL. 
What a fucking bunch of loosers.

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Re: [LAD] What KvR didn´t understand.

2013-01-07 Thread Nils Gey
On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 18:15:13 +0100
Ove Karlsen ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com wrote:

 You are hereby banned from heaven.

You don't have the authority to ban anyone from heaven.
Only I have the authority because I am the only living descendent from the 
children of Jesus and Mohammed when they met on the holy toilet.

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Re: [LAD] What KvR didn´t understand.

2013-01-07 Thread Robin Gareus
On 01/07/2013 06:05 PM, Ove Karlsen wrote:
 Wow I think I can actually feel your anus opening up, and getting ready
 for toiletsex.

Not only is this off-topic, but language like this is totally
unacceptable on LAD.

Until further notice, emails from you to LAD will need to pass moderation.

Peace Be With You.
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Re: [LAD] What KvR didn´t understand.

2013-01-07 Thread Florian Paul Schmidt

On 01/07/2013 06:24 PM, Nils Gey wrote:

On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 18:15:13 +0100
Ove Karlsen ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com wrote:


You are hereby banned from heaven.

You don't have the authority to ban anyone from heaven.
Only I have the authority because I am the only living descendent from the 
children of Jesus and Mohammed when they met on the holy toilet.


I am honoured that the most WTF-worthy troll-sh*t-storm I ever 
personally witnessed on LAD is a direct consequence of my little 
innocent announcement :D


Have fun flaming,
Flo

/me grabs another bag of popcorn

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Re: [LAD] What KvR didn´t understand.

2013-01-07 Thread Patrick Shirkey

On Tue, January 8, 2013 5:41 am, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
 On 01/07/2013 06:24 PM, Nils Gey wrote:
 On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 18:15:13 +0100
 Ove Karlsen ove.karl...@paradoxuncreated.com wrote:

 You are hereby banned from heaven.
 You don't have the authority to ban anyone from heaven.
 Only I have the authority because I am the only living descendent from
 the children of Jesus and Mohammed when they met on the holy toilet.

 I am honoured that the most WTF-worthy troll-sh*t-storm I ever
 personally witnessed on LAD is a direct consequence of my little
 innocent announcement :D

 Have fun flaming,
 Flo

 /me grabs another bag of popcorn


He went off list and in the words of Doctor Evil it got weird, didn't it?

http://amadcity.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/it-got-weird.jpg





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Re: [LAD] What KvR didn´t understand.

2013-01-07 Thread Ove Karlsen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ry7lMl75Vo

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