Re: which ISO?
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Lior Kaplan wrote: > for example: > http://www.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.fi.debian.org/debian-cd/3.0_r1/i386/ > > Download the NONUS version of disc #1. What does NONUS stand for? What about the other ISO files there? Thanks. -- Shlomo Yona [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://cs.haifa.ac.il/~shlomo/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which live-CD should I recommand to a newbie evaluator
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:00:03AM +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Thanks for all the replies and descriptions. > > I think I'll recommand Knoppix: > > 1. It's based on KDE, which already has good Hebrew support as it is today > (as opposed to Gnoppix, which I dunno how's its Hebrew support). Oops, I left out one important factor regarding Hebrew support: fonts. Does knoppix include culmus? In the default (font)config? -- Tzafrir Cohen +---+ http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which live-CD should I recommand to a newbie evaluator
Thanks for all the replies and descriptions. I think I'll recommand Knoppix: 1. It's based on KDE, which already has good Hebrew support as it is today (as opposed to Gnoppix, which I dunno how's its Hebrew support). 2. Its edges are smoother than what was said about Kazit and friends. 3. Its English user interface fits that particular target. 4. A possible drawback is the missing Israeli internet wizard, I hope I can help them overcome this (besides, from following the development of the wizard through Whatsup I have a feeling it's not ready yet). Thanks again, --Amos shlomi wrote: shlomi wrote: The old KnopopixKDE is very outdated and has a lot of fine programs missing. i'm working on creating a new "Kazit" (might be called differently) based on Knoppix3.2-5/9/2003. it will include OO1.1 and support in "hebrew enabled" mode. Knoppix 3.3 was released today .. gr so it might take even longer :D Regards, Shlomi Loubaton. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Your email is protected by Mailshell -- To block spam or change delivery options: http://www.mailshell.com/control.html?a=blshp8b9gc0rxhgk_srox_llfpptvypmvy7j Wouldn't you rather have amos-sha.com as your personal domain? http://rd.mailshell.com/ad465 Earn up to $3 for each of your friends who signs up with Mailshell! http://rd.mailshell.com/sp5 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which live-CD should I recommand to a newbie evaluator
shlomi wrote: > The old KnopopixKDE is very outdated and has a lot of fine programs > missing. i'm working on creating a new "Kazit" (might be called > differently) based on Knoppix3.2-5/9/2003. > it will include OO1.1 and support in "hebrew enabled" mode. Knoppix 3.3 was released today .. gr so it might take even longer :D > > Regards, > Shlomi Loubaton. > > > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printer help (Phaser 3110) - solved
WOW, what a support forum! My printer has been non-working in Linux for MONTHS! I post a question to this forum, and within an hour and a half, I have an answer! Thanks, guys, you are the best. Enabling debug logs by changing "LogLevel" in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf, I could get a detailed output of execution in /var/log/cups/errors. That showed that running "cupsomatic" returned status 22. At first I thought that this was signal 22 (tty output for background process), but that was just my mistake. Looking for the actual file, it was immediately obvious what the problem was - the file was missing. The command that solved the problem for me was "apt-get install cupsomatic-ppd" I didn't actually get any response from this forum, so my giving credit to you may seem a little overenthusiastic, but a good word never hurt anyone :-) Shachar Shachar Shemesh wrote: Hi all, I bought (a while back) a Xerox Phaser 3110 cheap no brains Laser printer. Or so I thought. When buying it in the store, the printer was clearly marked as "supporting Linux". I brought it home to my Debian Sid machine, and installed the CUPS driver from the CD. Everything worked fine. A few uninstalls/reinstalls, and port moving (USB to Parallel) laters, and the pritner won't respond any more. It doesn't like me any more, it appears. I decided to look into matters a little further. At first I thought this was a GDI no brains printer, and that the supplied Linux driver was a proprietary binary driver. Not so, it appears. Despite it's low price, this printer is a PJL (the original LaserJet language) compatibile printer! In fact, the supplied cups "driver" is merely a text file with some definitions. Reinforced with this new piece of information, I set about trying to figure out why the driver won't print any more. I have found out the following disturbing facts about CUPS at large, and this driver in particular. - It appears that CUPS don't have any way of directing the end result to file. WTF? I ended up writing a small utility to direct /dev/pts/? to file, and configured CUPS to use that as a driver. As a comparison, Windows had no problem to print to file (once I physically connected the printer - it wouldn't otherwise). Dumping this resulting file via linux to the printer printed with no problems (how do you think I know this is a standard PJL printer?). - It further appears that when selecting the printer's driver, CUPS will not print anything to the device. It obviously has some old config laying around, but I'll be damned if I knew where, or how to get rid of it. - I did not manage to find an alternative driver that will produce PJL. Selecting "LaserJet" produced some other obscure language, which was obviously not PJL. If anyone has any idea how to perform one of the following: - Remove the lock that disallows me to use the vendor supplied "driver". I have tried dpkg -P cupsys in my desperation, to no avail. - Find another source of PJL language. I have not even managed to find the proper command line to produce output in lj5mono format from ghostscript (I have tried "gs -sDEVICE=lj5mono file.ps", to no avail). HELP! I've been printing solely from Windows for several months now, and it's a real pain! Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Open Source integration consultant Home page & resume - http://www.shemesh.biz/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which live-CD should I recommand to a newbie evaluator
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 07:46:32PM +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What are its advantages over Kinneret or Knoppix? > > As far as I know it, it's just a Knoppix with Israel as a default locale, > which is not an advantage over the "base" Knoppix (as I said, the guy is a > native English speaker, so an English interface might be actually better > for him) For once, latest Kinneret is based on a slightly older version of Knoppix. I'm not sure which exactly, but they still use 2.4.20. I personally hate the use of ISO-8859-8 locales, and rather use UTF-8. OTOH, knoppix has basically none of those two... Kinneret has quite a few rough corners. E.g: you press F2 on the boot screen and get a help screen with "knoppix xxx", whereas you should really write "kinneret xxx" in the lilo commandline if you want to change any option. Also: In knoppix the KDE menu is created automatically, and thus reflects all the existing programs. In Kinnret it is edited. Try loading with icewm and look at the "programs" menu. BTW: the icewm makes the "boot" considerbly faster than the KDE. Which other desktops are there in Kinneret (too lazy to check now) Also: in Kinneret LC_ALL is set. It is set in /etc/X11/Xsesssion.d/45xsession , there is something there of the sort of "LC_ALL=$LANG" which at first sight seems like a work around a problem of european locales . And anyway such things should not exist. This does not allow the use of a separate interface language (LC_MESSAGES=C , LC_TIME=C . LC_CTYPE should naturally remain Hebrew) -- Tzafrir Cohen +---+ http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which live-CD should I recommand to a newbie evaluator
Oleg Kobets wrote: > Or you can use Kazit instead. It's real name is KnoppixKDE. > > Here is a direct link: > ftp://ftp.iglu.org.il/pub/KDE/stable/3.1/contrib/cdimages/ > > Oleg. > hi, The old KnopopixKDE is very outdated and has a lot of fine programs missing. i'm working on creating a new "Kazit" (might be called differently) based on Knoppix3.2-5/9/2003. it will include OO1.1 and support in "hebrew enabled" mode. I have the initial ISO but still have some issues to solve, so it might take a while because I don't have much time latly. I hope to have a first alfa in 2-3 weeks. The "wow effect" for people who want to demonstrate linux will be much stronger this time ;) look at the screenies : http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomil/kazit-pics/ I'd also like to make it easy to connect using cables or ADSL so I started writing this : http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomil/pptp/knoppix-pptp.pl for fast PPTP configuration. but it was tested only for cables 012 (running knoppix) so far and might not work with other ISPs and i'm having trouble findind people to help me write it so i might just forget it. If iwiz will be ready for use till release time then i'll add it. -- Regards, Shlomi Loubaton. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Printer help (Phaser 3110)
Hi all, I bought (a while back) a Xerox Phaser 3110 cheap no brains Laser printer. Or so I thought. When buying it in the store, the printer was clearly marked as "supporting Linux". I brought it home to my Debian Sid machine, and installed the CUPS driver from the CD. Everything worked fine. A few uninstalls/reinstalls, and port moving (USB to Parallel) laters, and the pritner won't respond any more. It doesn't like me any more, it appears. I decided to look into matters a little further. At first I thought this was a GDI no brains printer, and that the supplied Linux driver was a proprietary binary driver. Not so, it appears. Despite it's low price, this printer is a PJL (the original LaserJet language) compatibile printer! In fact, the supplied cups "driver" is merely a text file with some definitions. Reinforced with this new piece of information, I set about trying to figure out why the driver won't print any more. I have found out the following disturbing facts about CUPS at large, and this driver in particular. - It appears that CUPS don't have any way of directing the end result to file. WTF? I ended up writing a small utility to direct /dev/pts/? to file, and configured CUPS to use that as a driver. As a comparison, Windows had no problem to print to file (once I physically connected the printer - it wouldn't otherwise). Dumping this resulting file via linux to the printer printed with no problems (how do you think I know this is a standard PJL printer?). - It further appears that when selecting the printer's driver, CUPS will not print anything to the device. It obviously has some old config laying around, but I'll be damned if I knew where, or how to get rid of it. - I did not manage to find an alternative driver that will produce PJL. Selecting "LaserJet" produced some other obscure language, which was obviously not PJL. If anyone has any idea how to perform one of the following: - Remove the lock that disallows me to use the vendor supplied "driver". I have tried dpkg -P cupsys in my desperation, to no avail. - Find another source of PJL language. I have not even managed to find the proper command line to produce output in lj5mono format from ghostscript (I have tried "gs -sDEVICE=lj5mono file.ps", to no avail). HELP! I've been printing solely from Windows for several months now, and it's a real pain! Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Open Source integration consultant Home page & resume - http://www.shemesh.biz/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which live-CD should I recommand to a newbie evaluator
Kineret seem to offer a bit more, including an Internet Connection Wizard with a pool of Israeli ISPs not available in Knoppix. Also, you might want to consider other alternatives. Morphix for example is a modular Live CD distro that lets you have a CD with different defaults (KDE, GNOME, XFC etc.) GNOPPIX has GNOME only and from what I've seen boot flawlessly on my system with nVidia, Orinoco WiFi and intel-i810 audio. More information on Knoppix based Live distros can be found here: http://whatsup.org.il/article.php?sid=1558 Knoppix is based on Debian. The are similar CD's based on Slackware BTW, like Slacklive. See: http://whatsup.org.il/article.php?sid=1838 On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 18:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What are its advantages over Kinneret or Knoppix? > > As far as I know it, it's just a Knoppix with Israel as a default locale, > which is not an advantage over the "base" Knoppix (as I said, the guy is a > native English speaker, so an English interface might be actually better > for him) > > Cheers, > > --Amos > > Oleg Kobets wrote: > > >Or you can use Kazit instead. It's real name is KnoppixKDE. > > > >Here is a direct link: > >ftp://ftp.iglu.org.il/pub/KDE/stable/3.1/contrib/cdimages/ > > > >Oleg. > > > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Ben-Nes Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 7:13 PM > >Subject: Re: Which live-CD should I recommand to a newbie evaluator > > > > > > > > > >>i thought of kanoppix ? > >> > >>but it saddly down becouse software laws problems > >> > >>http://www.knoppix.org/ > >> > >>but maybe you can try look for other ftp to get kanoppix from. > >> > >>Shana Tova > >> > >>-- > >>Canaan Surfing Ltd. > >>Internet Service Providers > >>Ben-Nes Michael - Manager > >>Tel: 972-4-6991122 > >>Fax: 972-4-6990098 > >>http://www.canaan.net.il > >>-- > >>- Original Message - > >>From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 4:40 PM > >>Subject: Which live-CD should I recommand to a newbie evaluator > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>I have the great pleasure to help someone try Linux and am not sure > >>>which distro will demo to him Linux capabilities for his needs better. > >>> > >>>That guy is a native English speaker (so I suppose an English interface > >>>would suite hime better) but his job is technical writing and journalism > >>>in Hebrew, so he needs to be able to read and write Hebrw MS Office > >>>documents (in MS format) as well as access Hebrew sites. > >>> > >>>I already pointed him to re-try OpenOffice 1.1rc4, a year ago they tried > >>>1.0 and loved its English support but couldn't use it because it totally > >>>lucked Hebrew support. > >>> > >>>They would love to try Linux but are affraid of loosing what WindowsXP > >>>gives them today before they know how to get it in Linux (e.g. > >>>compatible file formats, access to limited Israeli sites). > >>> > >>>So I pointed them to Kinneret, because I though of the better Hebrew > >>>support, but then I realised that maybe Kinneret is not such a good > >>>choice because it's main advantage is the Hebrew interface, not the > >>>support for Hebrew web sites and documents, is this correct? > >>> > >>>So which live CD would be a better fit for this situation, if any? > >>>Kinneret or Knoppix (or something else)? > >>> > >>>Thanks, > >>> > >>>--Amos > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>= > >>>To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > >>>the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > >>>echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>= > >>To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > >>the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > >>echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >-- Your email is protected by Mailshell -- > >To block spam or change delivery options: > >http://www.mailshell.com/control.html?a=blshp8b9gc0rxhgk_srox_llfpptvypmvy7j > > > >FreshAddress.com http://rd.mailshell.com/ad482 > >Earn up to $3 for each of your friends who signs up with Mailshell! > >http://rd.mailshell.com/sp5 > > > > > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which ISO?
You need the i386 packages, but your better of getting the installation cd (at list #1 non-us). If the computer you are installing on isn't connected to a fast Internet connection, the one you are downloading to is, and you plan to stick with the stable distribution, you probably should also download at list #2 and #3. You can either download the iso, or follow the instructions to download using rsync. Don't know if the Israelly package mirror also has iso and/or rsync mirrors, anyone? Its located at http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/pub/mirrors/debian The lines for the /etc/apt/sources.list are: deb http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/pub/mirrors/debian stable main non-free contrib deb-src http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/pub/mirrors/debian stable main non-free contrib deb http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/pub/mirrors/debian-non-US stable/non-US main non-free contrib deb-src http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/pub/mirrors/debian-non-US stable/non-US main non-free contrib You can drop the deb-src lines if you are not interested in sources, and change the stable to whatever version you prefer (stable/testing/unstable). Its not completely clear whether unstable or testing is more stable, but iirc testing is in the process of going into freeze to become stable, so its probably relatively stable around now (I still occasionally hear about problematic packages on debian-user but rare). On א', 2003-09-21 at 18:14, Shlomo Yona wrote: > Hello, > > I went to one of the mirror sites listed in > http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable > > and I don't know which files I should get. > > Should I get the i386 files or the source files or both? > > (I need it for an IBM ThinkPad T40). > > Thanks. -- Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which live-CD should I recommand to a newbie evaluator
What are its advantages over Kinneret or Knoppix? As far as I know it, it's just a Knoppix with Israel as a default locale, which is not an advantage over the "base" Knoppix (as I said, the guy is a native English speaker, so an English interface might be actually better for him) Cheers, --Amos Oleg Kobets wrote: Or you can use Kazit instead. It's real name is KnoppixKDE. Here is a direct link: ftp://ftp.iglu.org.il/pub/KDE/stable/3.1/contrib/cdimages/ Oleg. - Original Message - From: "Ben-Nes Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 7:13 PM Subject: Re: Which live-CD should I recommand to a newbie evaluator i thought of kanoppix ? but it saddly down becouse software laws problems http://www.knoppix.org/ but maybe you can try look for other ftp to get kanoppix from. Shana Tova -- Canaan Surfing Ltd. Internet Service Providers Ben-Nes Michael - Manager Tel: 972-4-6991122 Fax: 972-4-6990098 http://www.canaan.net.il -- - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 4:40 PM Subject: Which live-CD should I recommand to a newbie evaluator I have the great pleasure to help someone try Linux and am not sure which distro will demo to him Linux capabilities for his needs better. That guy is a native English speaker (so I suppose an English interface would suite hime better) but his job is technical writing and journalism in Hebrew, so he needs to be able to read and write Hebrw MS Office documents (in MS format) as well as access Hebrew sites. I already pointed him to re-try OpenOffice 1.1rc4, a year ago they tried 1.0 and loved its English support but couldn't use it because it totally lucked Hebrew support. They would love to try Linux but are affraid of loosing what WindowsXP gives them today before they know how to get it in Linux (e.g. compatible file formats, access to limited Israeli sites). So I pointed them to Kinneret, because I though of the better Hebrew support, but then I realised that maybe Kinneret is not such a good choice because it's main advantage is the Hebrew interface, not the support for Hebrew web sites and documents, is this correct? So which live CD would be a better fit for this situation, if any? Kinneret or Knoppix (or something else)? Thanks, --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Your email is protected by Mailshell -- To block spam or change delivery options: http://www.mailshell.com/control.html?a=blshp8b9gc0rxhgk_srox_llfpptvypmvy7j FreshAddress.com http://rd.mailshell.com/ad482 Earn up to $3 for each of your friends who signs up with Mailshell! http://rd.mailshell.com/sp5 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which live-CD should I recommand to a newbie evaluator
Or you can use Kazit instead. It's real name is KnoppixKDE. Here is a direct link: ftp://ftp.iglu.org.il/pub/KDE/stable/3.1/contrib/cdimages/ Oleg. - Original Message - From: "Ben-Nes Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 7:13 PM Subject: Re: Which live-CD should I recommand to a newbie evaluator > i thought of kanoppix ? > > but it saddly down becouse software laws problems > > http://www.knoppix.org/ > > but maybe you can try look for other ftp to get kanoppix from. > > Shana Tova > > -- > Canaan Surfing Ltd. > Internet Service Providers > Ben-Nes Michael - Manager > Tel: 972-4-6991122 > Fax: 972-4-6990098 > http://www.canaan.net.il > -- > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 4:40 PM > Subject: Which live-CD should I recommand to a newbie evaluator > > > > I have the great pleasure to help someone try Linux and am not sure > > which distro will demo to him Linux capabilities for his needs better. > > > > That guy is a native English speaker (so I suppose an English interface > > would suite hime better) but his job is technical writing and journalism > > in Hebrew, so he needs to be able to read and write Hebrw MS Office > > documents (in MS format) as well as access Hebrew sites. > > > > I already pointed him to re-try OpenOffice 1.1rc4, a year ago they tried > > 1.0 and loved its English support but couldn't use it because it totally > > lucked Hebrew support. > > > > They would love to try Linux but are affraid of loosing what WindowsXP > > gives them today before they know how to get it in Linux (e.g. > > compatible file formats, access to limited Israeli sites). > > > > So I pointed them to Kinneret, because I though of the better Hebrew > > support, but then I realised that maybe Kinneret is not such a good > > choice because it's main advantage is the Hebrew interface, not the > > support for Hebrew web sites and documents, is this correct? > > > > So which live CD would be a better fit for this situation, if any? > > Kinneret or Knoppix (or something else)? > > > > Thanks, > > > > --Amos > > > > > > > > = > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which live-CD should I recommand to a newbie evaluator
Ben-Nes Michael wrote on 2003-09-22: > i thought of kanoppix ? > > but it saddly down becouse software laws problems > > http://www.knoppix.org/ > You can stil enter the original site through the "KNOPPIX" link in the small text. It's not closed down yet but it participates in an online demonstartion against software patents in Europe. The same happens on many other free sortware sites around the world. -- Beni Cherniavsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> When you indent makefiles with 4 spaces, you've had too much Python. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which live-CD should I recommand to a newbie evaluator
i thought of kanoppix ? but it saddly down becouse software laws problems http://www.knoppix.org/ but maybe you can try look for other ftp to get kanoppix from. Shana Tova -- Canaan Surfing Ltd. Internet Service Providers Ben-Nes Michael - Manager Tel: 972-4-6991122 Fax: 972-4-6990098 http://www.canaan.net.il -- - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 4:40 PM Subject: Which live-CD should I recommand to a newbie evaluator > I have the great pleasure to help someone try Linux and am not sure > which distro will demo to him Linux capabilities for his needs better. > > That guy is a native English speaker (so I suppose an English interface > would suite hime better) but his job is technical writing and journalism > in Hebrew, so he needs to be able to read and write Hebrw MS Office > documents (in MS format) as well as access Hebrew sites. > > I already pointed him to re-try OpenOffice 1.1rc4, a year ago they tried > 1.0 and loved its English support but couldn't use it because it totally > lucked Hebrew support. > > They would love to try Linux but are affraid of loosing what WindowsXP > gives them today before they know how to get it in Linux (e.g. > compatible file formats, access to limited Israeli sites). > > So I pointed them to Kinneret, because I though of the better Hebrew > support, but then I realised that maybe Kinneret is not such a good > choice because it's main advantage is the Hebrew interface, not the > support for Hebrew web sites and documents, is this correct? > > So which live CD would be a better fit for this situation, if any? > Kinneret or Knoppix (or something else)? > > Thanks, > > --Amos > > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Which live-CD should I recommand to a newbie evaluator
I have the great pleasure to help someone try Linux and am not sure which distro will demo to him Linux capabilities for his needs better. That guy is a native English speaker (so I suppose an English interface would suite hime better) but his job is technical writing and journalism in Hebrew, so he needs to be able to read and write Hebrw MS Office documents (in MS format) as well as access Hebrew sites. I already pointed him to re-try OpenOffice 1.1rc4, a year ago they tried 1.0 and loved its English support but couldn't use it because it totally lucked Hebrew support. They would love to try Linux but are affraid of loosing what WindowsXP gives them today before they know how to get it in Linux (e.g. compatible file formats, access to limited Israeli sites). So I pointed them to Kinneret, because I though of the better Hebrew support, but then I realised that maybe Kinneret is not such a good choice because it's main advantage is the Hebrew interface, not the support for Hebrew web sites and documents, is this correct? So which live CD would be a better fit for this situation, if any? Kinneret or Knoppix (or something else)? Thanks, --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DMZ Variant
Hi all! I have a linux box with 2 network interfaces: external (connected to the Internet) and internal (connected to my LAN). The box acts as a firewall, I'm also doing NAT. I have several ports open on the box itself and have set up port forwarding to a few machines on the LAN. I want any connection from the Internet to the box that isn't caught by any rule (I use iptables) to be redirected to a pre-defined machine in the LAN. For example: I don't run telnet server on the box and I don't forward port 23 to the LAN. If someone connects to the box on port 23, I want the connection to be forwarded to a specific machine in the LAN. P.S. I don't want to specify each port I want to be forwarded, but rather forward all traffic at once. Any ideas are appreciated, Alex = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Shana Tova :)
and may the described prophecy come true: check out the paragraph before the end - a prophecy that within 1-1.5 years M$ will bring forth their products (that are silently being ported these days...) to the Linux OS. http://computers.walla.co.il/ts.cgi?tsscript=item&path=4&id=443163 A VERY "shana tova" to all :-) Boaz. Amit Roseberger wrote: Thx Ariel. Actually, I hope it'll not insult anyone but... The Linux-il address book entry was (I fixed it ASA this "Fashla" happened) annoyingly similar to one of my friends entries... So when my Mail Client's damn auto completion feature shows me the list of possible completions I usually choose the wrong one (fast finger on the trigger I guess...), this poor guy (who is BTW a faithful MS Windows user... ) usually receives all my Linux related E-mails first. Well, I've decided to put an end to that and changed the entry to his last name :) Anyway - Shana Tova (LECULAM). Amit. Ariel Biener wrote: On Monday 22 September 2003 12:02, Shlomi Fish wrote: On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Amit Roseberger wrote: Hi Everyone. I wish you all a Happy New Year (Shana Tova). May all your wishes come true (just be careful what you wish for... ;) ) Amit. Let me second that: happy new year for all. Amit, try using Bcc: , in order to protect the privacy of your whole addressbook that was in the To: headers of your mail. --Ariel Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Writing a BitKeeper replacement is probably easier at this point than getting its license changed. Matt Mackall on OFTC.net #offtopic. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: A new product line from Culmus project ;-)
Hello! You can consult the faq at the site - it gives precise instructions; or use your favorite font installer (Gnome and Kde each have one). Maxim. On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Beni Cherniavsky wrote: > I'd like to use them on my home computer but I'm quite ignorant of > what to do with the afm/pfa files.RPMs are much more convenient. > Since you already have the spec files for generating an RPM for the > main fonts, would it be hard to also generate an additional RPM with > the fancy fonts only, or with all fonts (a-la hspell-fat)?The > general-purpose rpm can stay as it is. > > -- > Beni Cherniavsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Shana Tova :)
Thx Ariel. Actually, I hope it'll not insult anyone but... The Linux-il address book entry was (I fixed it ASA this "Fashla" happened) annoyingly similar to one of my friends entries... So when my Mail Client's damn auto completion feature shows me the list of possible completions I usually choose the wrong one (fast finger on the trigger I guess...), this poor guy (who is BTW a faithful MS Windows user... ) usually receives all my Linux related E-mails first. Well, I've decided to put an end to that and changed the entry to his last name :) Anyway - Shana Tova (LECULAM). Amit. Ariel Biener wrote: On Monday 22 September 2003 12:02, Shlomi Fish wrote: On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Amit Roseberger wrote: Hi Everyone. I wish you all a Happy New Year (Shana Tova). May all your wishes come true (just be careful what you wish for... ;) ) Amit. Let me second that: happy new year for all. Amit, try using Bcc: , in order to protect the privacy of your whole addressbook that was in the To: headers of your mail. --Ariel Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Writing a BitKeeper replacement is probably easier at this point than getting its license changed. Matt Mackall on OFTC.net #offtopic. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Shana Tova :)
On Monday 22 September 2003 12:02, Shlomi Fish wrote: > On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Amit Roseberger wrote: > > Hi Everyone. > > I wish you all a Happy New Year (Shana Tova). > > May all your wishes come true (just be careful what you wish for... ;) ) > > > > Amit. > > Let me second that: happy new year for all. Amit, try using Bcc: , in order to protect the privacy of your whole addressbook that was in the To: headers of your mail. --Ariel > > Regards, > > Shlomi Fish > > > -- > Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ > > Writing a BitKeeper replacement is probably easier at this point than > getting its license changed. > > Matt Mackall on OFTC.net #offtopic. > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Ariel Biener e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP(6.5.8) public key http://www.tau.ac.il/~ariel/pgp.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Propaganda Point (was: Re: linux support companies in Israel)
Tzafir, I beg to differ. Win95 was launched in... errr... '95. Same as NT4 (very early '96 if I am not mistaken). Clearly this 7-8 year period is longer than RedHat's / SuSE's support period. Shachar Tal Verint Systems -Original Message- From: Tzafrir Cohen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 1:56 AM To: linux ILUG Subject: Re: Propaganda Point (was: Re: linux support companies in Israel) On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 01:40:09PM +0300, Omer Zak wrote: > > On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Gil Freund wrote: > > > > Before one hails and advocates OSS one has to educated for better IT > > > thinking: > > > Find out what the business requirement are. > > > Strip out MS-talk (mail and scheduling instead of exchange...). > > > List the true functional requirement. > > > Research both closed and open solution. > > > Show case studies. > > > Display the solutions. > > [... snipped ...] > > > Hi Gil, > > > > The points above, combined with the occational BSA ads and articles like > > http://whatsup.co.il/article.php?sid=1972 (9 german cities consider > > moving to Linux instead of paying MS for upgrading their systems next > > year) drive me to a "campeign idea": "Microsoft/BSA scares you? Move to > > Linux". Maybe combined with a "BSA" with a large "X" across it on > > leaflets at Hi-Tech shows. > > Speaking of BSA and M$abuses, how about emphasizing the fact that MS are > withdrawing WinNT support and forcing you to upgrade your legacy WinNT > systems to WinXP if you want patches against threats like MSBlaster or > SoBig.F? Not only for NT. Lately support has been withdrawn for win95 and win98. The support contracts from RH and SuSE for their "enterprise" products is for 5-6 years. More than the time since the launch of both win95 and winnt. > > (Unfortunately, RedHat are shooting the figurative feet, by withdrawing > support for old versions of the RH distribution; but at least 3rd party > support is possible, in principle.) -- Tzafrir Cohen +---+ http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] This electronic message contains information from Verint Systems, which may be privileged and confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify us by replying to this email. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: A new product line from Culmus project ;-)
Maxim Iorsh wrote on 2003-09-21: > Hello! > > 2. The main package is a general-purpose one, and it appears in some > distributions quite unrelated specifically to the Hebrew language or Israeli > public, and consequently wastes some precious space on shipped CDs. Therefore I > try not to blow it. Whoever decides that his/her distribution needs these fancy > fonts too, will pack them by himself. > I'd like to use them on my home computer but I'm quite ignorant of what to do with the afm/pfa files. RPMs are much more convenient. Since you already have the spec files for generating an RPM for the main fonts, would it be hard to also generate an additional RPM with the fancy fonts only, or with all fonts (a-la hspell-fat)? The general-purpose rpm can stay as it is. -- Beni Cherniavsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Shana Tova :)
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Amit Roseberger wrote: > Hi Everyone. > I wish you all a Happy New Year (Shana Tova). > May all your wishes come true (just be careful what you wish for... ;) ) > > Amit. > > Let me second that: happy new year for all. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Writing a BitKeeper replacement is probably easier at this point than getting its license changed. Matt Mackall on OFTC.net #offtopic. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which distribution?
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 01:28:21PM +0300, Shlomo Yona wrote: > On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Uri Sharf wrote: > > > AFAIK SuSE is defiantly the easiest and most mature of the desktop > > variants. It's only available for purchase, or a some what technical > > online install from SuSE's site. After having played with SuSE's server version at work a bit I'll just remark that SuSE has its own quirks and insanities. > Does Suse use URPMI? No. Nither SuSE nor RedHat come with urpmi or apt4rpm built-in. You can install apt4rpm for both but if you have some not freely-distributable packages, they won't be in any repository. Unlike up2date and red-carpet (which some versions of SuSE may include) urpmi and apt allow you to easily add your own sources. Be that some remote software locations or packages locations, or even your own custom packages. -- Tzafrir Cohen +---+ http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which distribution?
On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 12:28, Shlomo Yona wrote: > On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Uri Sharf wrote: > > > AFAIK SuSE is defiantly the easiest and most mature of the desktop > > variants. It's only available for purchase, or a some what technical > > online install from SuSE's site. > > > > I would go for this option, if only because the very extensive > > supplementary documentation that comes with it (3 books in 8.0) and the > > all 7 discs or so also come on a single DVD. > > > > See here for and FTP Install Guide in Hebrew: > > http://whatsup.org.il/modules.php?name=Reviews&rop=showcontent&id=75 > > What does this supplementary documentation include? > What I have is a Reference which covers all the technical issues network, audio, printing etc. and also a separate Linux Basics (Desktops, Shell and YaST ) and Applications Guide (StarOffice, Gimp, Acrobat etc.) > > Debian is not too difficult to install if you don't mind the > > non-graphical approach. Bonzai is a good choice which requires some > > understanding of your system and a rather spartan approach to the whole > > process, but it does the job. Debian is very easy to maintain as far as > > getting updated software is concerned, but could be difficult if you are > > not technical. > > In certain areas I'm technically capable while in other areas (and setup and > installation of Linux software is one of them) I am pretty technically > impared. > > > Thanks for the overview of possibilities. > I am not sure where each stands regarding ease of installation on the side of > the preloaded windows XP with its factory-settings hidden partition > New versions of SuSE come with Disk Partitioning tools AFAIK, so that should help you get Windows out of the way cleanly. It might be a separate purchase, not sure. BTW Mandrake has a free solution for repartitioning so even if you don't want to install it it might be useful if you don't already have PartitionMagic and such. > > Does Suse use URPMI? > It uses RPM packages which can be managed out-of-the-box with the all-encompassing YaST, or alternatively apt4rpm. URPMI is Mandrake specific and it falls short of the more advanced apt4rpm, though in Mandrake it is nicely integrated into the system. See more information on available package repositories for SuSE and others, here: http://whatsup.org.il/modules.php?name=Reviews&rop=showcontent&id=80 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Shana Tova :)
Hi Everyone. I wish you all a Happy New Year (Shana Tova). May all your wishes come true (just be careful what you wish for... ;) ) Amit. <>
Re: which distribution?
On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 12:28, Shlomo Yona wrote: > On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Uri Sharf wrote: > > > AFAIK SuSE is defiantly the easiest and most mature of the desktop > > variants. It's only available for purchase, or a some what technical > > online install from SuSE's site. > > > > I would go for this option, if only because the very extensive > > supplementary documentation that comes with it (3 books in 8.0) and the > > all 7 discs or so also come on a single DVD. > > > > See here for and FTP Install Guide in Hebrew: > > http://whatsup.org.il/modules.php?name=Reviews&rop=showcontent&id=75 > > What does this supplementary documentation include? > What I have is a Reference which covers all the technical issues network, audio, printing etc. and also a separate Linux Basics (Desktops, Shell and YaST ) and Applications Guide (StarOffice, Gimp, Acrobat etc.) > > Debian is not too difficult to install if you don't mind the > > non-graphical approach. Bonzai is a good choice which requires some > > understanding of your system and a rather spartan approach to the whole > > process, but it does the job. Debian is very easy to maintain as far as > > getting updated software is concerned, but could be difficult if you are > > not technical. > > In certain areas I'm technically capable while in other areas (and setup and > installation of Linux software is one of them) I am pretty technically > impared. > > > Thanks for the overview of possibilities. > I am not sure where each stands regarding ease of installation on the side of > the preloaded windows XP with its factory-settings hidden partition > New versions of SuSE come with Disk Partitioning tools AFAIK, so that should help you get Windows out of the way cleanly. It might be a separate purchase, not sure. BTW Mandrake has a free solution for repartitioning so even if you don't want to install it it might be useful if you don't already have PartitionMagic and such. > > Does Suse use URPMI? > It uses RPM packages which can be managed out-of-the-box with the all-encompassing YaST, or alternatively apt4rpm. URPMI is Mandrake specific and it falls short of the more advanced apt4rpm, though in Mandrake it is nicely integrated into the system. See more information on available package repositories for SuSE and others, here: http://whatsup.org.il/modules.php?name=Reviews&rop=showcontent&id=80 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: risk-aversion and the IT market
Gabor Szabo wrote: In relation to our previous discussion about the use of FOSS[1] in Israel, why not approach it from the basic assumption that IT managers are risk averters. They would prefer to buy bad but known products than other, less know (or less understood) products even if those promise better quality. I don't think calculated risk management is the issue, but rather a narrow vision. Most IT managers (and most managers at that) will not look at solutions at their own initiative. In most cases they will limit themselves to solutions offered be vendors they know, friends, popular press and at best, trade shows. They would tend to buy from big names that are perceived as stable than small companies. No, they will buy from someone who they worked with before, or someone a friend recommended. They would prefer to buy from international companies than from local entities. Quite to the contrary, they would prefer a local entity, which they feel they have more power and control over. The cultural difference are also an intimidating factor. Are these sentences correct ? How can you turn them to your advantage ? some link from the top of my Google search. Risk taking in US and Europe http://www.cbronline.com/vendors_top50s/5debfcf49be6cf6780256d350047ecc7 Risk aversion culture in Australia http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,7063833%5e15306%5e%5enbv%5e,00.html Gabor [1] Sorry if it is not *only* about Linux. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- = Gil Freund Sysnet consulting - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sysnet.co.il voice: +972-52-676906 Fax: +972-8-9356026 = = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Propaganda Point (was: Re: linux support companies in Israel)
Tzafrir Cohen wrote on 2003-09-22: > Not only for NT. Lately support has been withdrawn for win95 and win98. > > The support contracts from RH and SuSE for their "enterprise" products > is for 5-6 years. More than the time since the launch of both win95 and > winnt. > Not since the launch of win95 - they weren't *that* late with it ;-). 2003 - 1995 ~= 8. Unless by "lately" you mean a couple of years ago. -- Beni Cherniavsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> When you indent makefiles with 4 spaces, you've had too much Python. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: risk-aversion and the IT market
Gabor Szabo wrote: In relation to our previous discussion about the use of FOSS[1] in Israel, why not approach it from the basic assumption that IT managers are risk averters. Just a few days ago there was a quote of a guy from CA(?) saying that Israelis are pragmatists and will usually adopt new technologies more easely than their North-American or European counterparts. They will try a solution and if it works for a while they'll start using it, instead of discussing it ad-nuseum and inventing procedures to evaluate it and use it. They would prefer to buy bad but known products than other, less know (or less understood) products even if those promise better quality. They would tend to buy from big names that are perceived as stable than small companies. They would prefer to buy from international companies than from local entities. Are these sentences correct ? I don't quite "live" in that field (all the commercial software I wrote was addressed to the American corporate market), but my basic understanding of the Israeli corporate world makes me lean towards the "definit no". How can you turn them to your advantage ? First let's agree wether your axioms above are correct or not, if not then find others, then we can discuss that question. some link from the top of my Google search. Risk taking in US and Europe http://www.cbronline.com/vendors_top50s/5debfcf49be6cf6780256d350047ecc7 Risk aversion culture in Australia http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,7063833%5e15306%5e%5enbv%5e,00.html Well, Australia's Telstra (their "Bezeq") is one of the latest examples of deploying something like 14,000 desktop Linux at their offices, wether there is risk aversion or not there, I think Linux is doing quite well there (not just because of Telstra, there is a large and active Linux movement there). Cheers, --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
