Re: Bank Hapoalim - was: Re: Mozilla, Internet Banking and Bank Otsar Ha-Hayal: summary
I hereby request. It won't heart me to learn a trick or two. On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 09:18:16PM +0200, Baruch Even wrote: For anyone interested I've modified Dan's script to extract the data to CSV files, I've also made use of HTML Table extraction to hopefully make the script a bit more robust. I can provide the script upon request. -- Dan Kenigsberghttp://www.cs.technion.ac.il/~dankenICQ 162180901 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: he-en dictionaries...
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003, Arik Baratz wrote about RE: he-en dictionaries...: If you create a nice web interface for the entry of translations, and open it up on the web, and let people subscribe to a 'daily translation' mailing list and translate a word a day, and announce it in linux-il, I bet you can have a working dictionary file in notime, created by and for the community. You'd have to accept multiple submissions for each word and choose the ones that were received the most times, to prevent wiseguys translating to obscene words... See also http://wiktionary.org/ for another approach. I suggest you replace the you in your suggestion with someone. I am (and probably Dan as well) already swamped with work and other things and do not have time to start such a CGI programming project. I can provide, however, free hosting for such a project, so if anyone is seriously interested (and willing to invest work and time), drop me a line (or better yet, move this discussion to the ivrix-discuss mailing list; it really has nothing to do with Linux). -- Nadav Har'El| Monday, Nov 3 2003, 8 Heshvan 5764 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-790466, ICQ 13349191 |A cat has claws ending its paws. A http://nadav.harel.org.il |sentence has a pause ending its clause. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Haifa University site browser competablity issues
Hi People. To cut to the bone, parts of a site used by many (and more to be) courses in Haifa University, called Virtual Haifa (virtualnew.haifa.ac.il) does not function under any browser except IE. A similar site, used for content menagement, used in TAU functions flawlessly. I believe that the implementation of the ASP in HaifaU was lacking in so many ways. The JavaScripts themselves might also lack, but only tonight I will check a bit more into it. I sent them an e-mail message, explaining I do not own a Windows, and I don't use Windows on my machines, and asked for some way to reach the documents in question (aka, my homework). The reply I got from the person in charge (in HaifaU) was that it supports only IE, and if I need to use it, I could do it from computer farms in the U itself. I think it is a not a complicated request, checking their javascript/html implementation, and I believe this answer was meant to brush off this annoyance. I don't want, by all means, to start a world war to solve it, but if anyone in this list is a member of the HaifaU staff, or has any word in the issue, any help would be really appreciated in solving this problem. Any suggestion on the next move will also be very helpful, as I stand rather helpless now, agains this system. Thanks in advance! Ez-Aton = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bank Hapoalim - was: Re: Mozilla, Internet Banking and Bank Otsar Ha-Hayal: summary
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 09:04:29AM +0200, Dan Kenigsberg wrote: It won't heart me to learn a trick or two. And neither to spell. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Haifa University site browser competablity issues
In addition to what I wrote you in private, I can add that this issue is bigger than this virtual system. A few sites in the TAU internet site will require you to use IE, and I don't like this either. Actually, I think this is rude. I've contacted my faculty administration, from the Dean to the Webmasters etc' - guess how much of a reply I got? right - ZERO. Thats rude too. My word on the issue is that it deserves more comprehense treatment. The virtual system is only a part of the issue. Boaz. Ez-Aton wrote: Hi People. To cut to the bone, parts of a site used by many (and more to be) courses in Haifa University, called Virtual Haifa (virtualnew.haifa.ac.il) does not function under any browser except IE. A similar site, used for content menagement, used in TAU functions flawlessly. I believe that the implementation of the ASP in HaifaU was lacking in so many ways. The JavaScripts themselves might also lack, but only tonight I will check a bit more into it. I sent them an e-mail message, explaining I do not own a Windows, and I don't use Windows on my machines, and asked for some way to reach the documents in question (aka, my homework). The reply I got from the person in charge (in HaifaU) was that it supports only IE, and if I need to use it, I could do it from computer farms in the U itself. I think it is a not a complicated request, checking their javascript/html implementation, and I believe this answer was meant to brush off this annoyance. I don't want, by all means, to start a world war to solve it, but if anyone in this list is a member of the HaifaU staff, or has any word in the issue, any help would be really appreciated in solving this problem. Any suggestion on the next move will also be very helpful, as I stand rather helpless now, agains this system. Thanks in advance! Ez-Aton = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Red Hat 9 installation problem.
One ofourstudents tried to install RH9 on a computer with the following: Mother board: ABIT Chipset: VIA Hard disk: Seagate SATA When he got to the disk formatting part of the installation he got an error stating that no hard disk was found. Does anybody have any idea what can be the problem and a possible solution? Thank you, Josh Roden Hadassah Computer Science
RE: Red Hat 9 installation problem.
-Original Message- From: Josh Roden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] One of our students tried to install RH9 on a computer with the following: Mother board: ABIT Chipset: VIA Hard disk: Seagate SATA When he got to the disk formatting part of the installation he got an error stating that no hard disk was found. Does anybody have any idea what can be the problem and a possible solution? Have him try to temporarily put an IDE disk in the machine, install Linux, make sure he has the SATA loadable modules in place, mount the SATA disk and copy everything over. He'd probably need to rebuild his initrd to have the drivers load on boot time. I've never tried it, but I do know that Mandrake 9.1 doesn't come with SATA drivers compiled in. Maybe it can be done with an external drivers disk for the installer, but I don't know how. -- Arik To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Red Hat 9 installation problem.
SATA is not yet supported Out-of-the-box One needs to install using either some special new and patched kernel, or using an HDD connected to the std. IDE, and then, after upgrade to the kernel, to move the system to the new disks. Ez. On Monday 03 November 2003 11:25, Josh Roden wrote: One of our students tried to install RH9 on a computer with the following: Mother board: ABIT Chipset: VIA Hard disk: Seagate SATA When he got to the disk formatting part of the installation he got an error stating that no hard disk was found. Does anybody have any idea what can be the problem and a possible solution? Thank you, Josh Roden Hadassah Computer Science = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Red Hat 9 installation problem.
Yup, VIA SATA support in kernel 2.4.x is minimal - at best. The 2.6.0-testx got more stuff (until someone will backport it).. My suggestion - set the BIOS SATA stuff to ATA emulation (depending on your BIOS)... Hetz On Monday 03 November 2003 11:25, Josh Roden wrote: One of our students tried to install RH9 on a computer with the following: Mother board: ABIT Chipset: VIA Hard disk: Seagate SATA When he got to the disk formatting part of the installation he got an error stating that no hard disk was found. Does anybody have any idea what can be the problem and a possible solution? Thank you, Josh Roden Hadassah Computer Science = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sharing my problem solving experience.
Title: Sharing my problem solving experience. On an ugly morning I received the following message when booting my NIS server: mounting proc filesystem [ ERROR ] dup2: bad file descriptor My Nis server (TUX) would not boot any further and therefore the rest of my servers that are dependent on TUX wouldn't boot/respond either. After a while of googling I found the following solution which made me, all of the sudden, very happy and releived: Begin quote: How to fix dup2: bad file descriptor on Linux This error is actually happen because the /dev/null entry in the device inode permission is screwed up when the system is showing: mounting proc filesystem [ ERROR ] dup2: bad file descriptor, Note: The following step will fix the error: Proceed with login to repair filesystem (provide root password) Next mount your root filesystem mount -n -o remount,rw /dev/hdxx (where hdxx or sdxx is your root partition) Remove the /dev/null entry rm -rf /dev/null Since we've already remove the /dev/null, we have to create a new writeable entry mknod -m 666 /dev/null c 1 3 Reboot the system using shutdown -r now or shutdown -h now, the filesystem should be correctly mounted the next round of booting. End quote. I will be happy if this will ever help anybody else.
Re: Red Hat 9 installation problem.
I have a system with an on-board VIA SATA. 2.6.0test5 and beyond have good support for this chipset, and by manually patching a rawhide 2.4.22 kernel using this thread as reference -- http://www.spinics.net/lists/kernel/msg202339.html -- I got the SATA running on 2.4.x. The author of libata told me that kernels 2.4.22 support this chipset. Anyhow, as told by others -- no easy to way to do a clean-install on this kind of drive -- install on a regular IDE and DD everything to the SATA if you want it to be your main. Alon. Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Yup, VIA SATA support in kernel 2.4.x is minimal - at best. The 2.6.0-testx got more stuff (until someone will backport it).. My suggestion - set the BIOS SATA stuff to ATA emulation (depending on your BIOS)... Hetz On Monday 03 November 2003 11:25, Josh Roden wrote: One of our students tried to install RH9 on a computer with the following: Mother board: ABIT Chipset: VIA Hard disk: Seagate SATA When he got to the disk formatting part of the installation he got an error stating that no hard disk was found. Does anybody have any idea what can be the problem and a possible solution? Thank you, Josh Roden Hadassah Computer Science = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: brief naps (aftermath)
Hi all, First of all, I'd like to thank everyone that have answered, I never expected so many solutions :) A couple of results: 1) The rdtscll Pentium instruction (Eran's answer) is very useful. It's super accurate and right now I decided to use it mostly to benchmark other solutions, and to estimate the CPU frequency with a fancy version of - CODE rdtscll(time1); sleep(1); rdtscll(time2); frequency = time2 - time1; /CODE The use of rdtscll as a long sleep function (above 1 msec) is not very recommended, since even with the nops, it hogs most of the CPU. 2) The select method is very CPU friendly. It is also the way microsecond sleep is implemented in xmms and alsa (xmms_usleep, and doSleep in alsa) XMMS's code: unsigned long usec... CODE struct timeval tv; tv.tv_sec = usec / 100; usec -= tv.tv_sec * 100; tv.tv_usec = usec; select(0, NULL, NULL, NULL, tv); /CODE It's pretty stable for time periods of ~1 msec and above. In the end I think we'll implement some sort of combination of all the 3 solutions including the kernel HZ value (thanks Gilad, the link was great!). Since the delay doesn't change often, we have the freedom to decide which of the 3 functions is best during runtime, and select it. Hope this will help others. Ami = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Qt runs much slower on rh9.
Title: Qt runs much slower on rh9. We're in the process of changing over to Red Hat 9 from Red Hat 7.2. So far we have found one problem with Red Hat 9. The problem is that Qt runs a lot slower on Red Hat 9. Any advice on the subject would be appreciated. I noticed that running Qt doesn't affect the 2 cpu's on the server very much. Thank you, Josh Roden Hadassah College Computer Science
Re: Qt runs much slower on rh9.
Red Hat 7.2 has QT 2.x, and 9 has QT 3.x. The main difference between QT 2 and 3 is Unicode support, which can slow things down a bit. Can you give some numbers or so then? behdad On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Josh Roden wrote: We're in the process of changing over to Red Hat 9 from Red Hat 7.2. So far we have found one problem with Red Hat 9. The problem is that Qt runs a lot slower on Red Hat 9. Any advice on the subject would be appreciated. I noticed that running Qt doesn't affect the 2 cpu's on the server very much. Thank you, Josh Roden Hadassah College Computer Science = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Qt runs much slower on rh9.
Yup, As usual, when it comes to redhat and QT/KDE - shit hit the fans... Use these RPMS instead: http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/9/RPMS.stable/ Hetz On Monday 03 November 2003 13:20, Josh Roden wrote: We're in the process of changing over to Red Hat 9 from Red Hat 7.2. So far we have found one problem with Red Hat 9. The problem is that Qt runs a lot slower on Red Hat 9. Any advice on the subject would be appreciated. I noticed that running Qt doesn't affect the 2 cpu's on the server very much. Thank you, Josh Roden Hadassah College Computer Science = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Qt runs much slower on rh9.
Hetz, What's the difference between native rh9 qt and these that you provided ? And why native rh9 qt is slower ? - Original Message - From: Hetz Ben Hamo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Josh Roden [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Linux-Il (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 1:32 PM Subject: Re: Qt runs much slower on rh9. Yup, As usual, when it comes to redhat and QT/KDE - shit hit the fans... Use these RPMS instead: http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/9/RPMS.stable/ Hetz On Monday 03 November 2003 13:20, Josh Roden wrote: We're in the process of changing over to Red Hat 9 from Red Hat 7.2. So far we have found one problem with Red Hat 9. The problem is that Qt runs a lot slower on Red Hat 9. Any advice on the subject would be appreciated. I noticed that running Qt doesn't affect the 2 cpu's on the server very much. Thank you, Josh Roden Hadassah College Computer Science = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Red Hat 9 installation problem.
The first things I'd check: 1. BIOS setup - does it look for an hard disk at the interface where the actual disk is connected? 2. Does the disk's LED turn on briefly when the computer is turned on (indicating that the disk gets power)? On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Josh Roden wrote: One of our students tried to install RH9 on a computer with the following: Mother board: ABIT Chipset: VIA Hard disk: Seagate SATA When he got to the disk formatting part of the installation he got an error stating that no hard disk was found. Does anybody have any idea what can be the problem and a possible solution? --- Omer My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Qt runs much slower on rh9.
On Monday 03 November 2003 14:44, Oleg Kobets wrote: Hetz, What's the difference between native rh9 qt and these that you provided ? And why native rh9 qt is slower ? If I recall correctly, there were some issues that I have seen before with the RH 9 QT RPMS - I don't remember exactly the source right now. Those RPMS helped me (and they also include fixes which were provided by the KDE developers and were inside KDE's CVS (qt-copy), as well as RandR support... Thanks, Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Qt runs much slower on rh9.
Josh Roden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We're in the process of changing over to Red Hat 9 from Red Hat 7.2. So far we have found one problem with Red Hat 9. The problem is that Qt runs a lot slower on Red Hat 9. Any advice on the subject would be appreciated. I can only confirm with an empirical observation that KDE on RH9 *can be* (not necessarily is) terribly slow on pretty decent hardware. The same hardware runs KDE on RH7.3 fairly well. I don't know what causes it, but so far I have decided not to upgrade a couple of older boxes. A 2.4GHz P4 with a GB of RAM shows decent performance... ;-) -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI language for beginners
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Hi Aviad, I've decided that a lot of voices make for a more interesting conversation. I'm therefor forwarding your email to a mailing list I read (and occasionally even write to). I'm sure the good people here will have plenty to say. You may want to clarify what sending parameters mean, though. Is that a gui application that invokes a cli application with arguments? Ok, guys. I decided that the distro war from a few days ago was not interesting enough. Let's have a programming language war, while wer'e at it. A good begginer's GUI tool for a univ. project. Which would be best? Shachar aviad wrote: i wonder if you could help me choose between several languages to develop gui based application i gotlost between : Python,perl,tcl/tk,qt,gtk+ OK, here's the thing. If you have a CLI client or an encapsulate shared library that you need to write a GUI to, and/or you have a lot of GUI to write, then using a high-level language is probably a must, or else you'll go completely insane with a lot of C/C++ stuff. Now, for the choice of language: Perl - my favourite language (;-)). There's more than one way to do it. Very flexible. A lot of different ways to accomplish the same thing. Some people love it. Some people hate it. You can't know until you've tried. Python - a language I dislike quite a bit. One way to do it. Powerful and object oriented. Lacks some essential Perl features and syntax elements, because no one needs them (to quote Moshe Zadka). I was told that it is more suitable for GUIs than Perl is. Ruby - a language that aims to combine the best elements of Perl, Python and Smalltalk. There is more than one way to do it. Sort of like Perl structured arond an OOP. Never programmed anything serious in it. Tcl - an old language with some inherent design problems, that seems to be dying, but still have some hard-core advocates. Java - a language that is not as high level as Perl/Python/Ruby/Tcl and yet higher level than C. Proprietary and verbose. I don't like it much, but has some strong advocates. You'll hear a lot of FUD against Perl from Pythoneers, so you have been warned. You'll also hear a lot of FUD against Perl and everything else from Java bigots. I'll probably use either Perl, Python or Ruby if I were you. Either language will be fine. Now for the Toolkits: Tk - the traditional toolkit for interpreted languages, that started with Tcl (Tcl/Tk). Very quick to write code in, but lacks the fine grained control of more advanced (C/C++-originated toolkits). Have a more or less native look and feel, which does not look exactly right. Gtk+ - available for all the languages above. I did about one or two things with it (in Perl), so I can only say that from my naive impression it was quite tedious to work in. Its license is LGPL so it's free of any restrictions. Qt - available for Python and Perl (and C++). Very cute and useful. The library is very monolithic and contains routines for everything under the sun (with possible memory or speed overhead). License is GPL/QPL on UNIX and proprietary/binary only on Windows, so may impose some problems. wxWindows - Has bindings for Perl, Python and Ruby. (and its own Basic language - ;-)). Uses native widgets on Windows and UNIX so has a native look and feel. Small runtime. I was told that it is better than the Win32 API, but not as powerful as Gtk+. Regards, Shlomi Fish i need a language that will help me to develop a small gui that will communicate with a non gui linux program (send parameters via gui) hope to hear from you aviad -- Shachar Shemesh Open Source integration consultant Home page resume - http://www.shemesh.biz/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Writing a BitKeeper replacement is probably easier at this point than getting its license changed. Matt Mackall on OFTC.net #offtopic. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI language for beginners
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Diego Iastrubni wrote: Here is my opinion: any one of this 3 sounds cool. I put here only the downsides of each approach. gtk: * not object oriented (looks un-natural to build gui's in no oop language) I beg your pardon? Gtk+ is Object-Oriented. And you can do OOP in C well enough. Designing a non-object-oriented widget toolkit has been considered extremely harmful for years. GUI cries for OOP. Regards, Shlomi Fish * looks funkey on win32 qt: * not free in win32 * does not compile with mingw or friends on win32 java: * funky look everywhere. * difficult to install, big download * needs interperter on the client side wxwindows: * problems with hebrew (no reversed menus for example) * in linux, app's run in he_IL locale will be reversed, under windows same code does not get reversed (different layers behave differently) , 2 2003, 23:18,Shachar Shemesh: Hi Aviad, I've decided that a lot of voices make for a more interesting conversation. I'm therefor forwarding your email to a mailing list I read (and occasionally even write to). I'm sure the good people here will have plenty to say. You may want to clarify what sending parameters mean, though. Is that a guiapplication that invokes a cli application with arguments? Ok, guys. I decided that the distro war from a few days ago was not interesting enough. Let's have a programming language war, while wer'e at it. A good begginer's GUI tool for a univ. project. Which would be best? Shachar aviad wrote: i wonder if you could help me choose between several languages to develop gui based application i got lost between : Python,perl,tcl/tk,qt,gtk+ i need a language that will help me to develop a small gui that will communicate with a non gui linux program (send parameters via gui) hope to hear from you aviad To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Writing a BitKeeper replacement is probably easier at this point than getting its license changed. Matt Mackall on OFTC.net #offtopic. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Red Hat Linux end-of-life
I am sure most of you are aware of the basics of it, but just as a newsflash and maybe some details, here is what I found in my mailbox today (I removed my identification and most headers from the email as irrelevant). -- Attached file included as plaintext by Listar -- Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:45:33 -0500 From: Red Hat Network [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Red Hat Linux end-of-life update and transition planning MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear subscriber, Thank you for being a Red Hat Network customer. This e-mail provides you with important information about the upcoming discontinuation of Red Hat Linux, and resources to assist you with your migration to another Red Hat solution. As previously communicated, Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 as of December 31, 2003. Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release another product in the Red Hat Linux line. With the recent announcement of Red Hat Enterprise Linux v.3, you'll find migrating to Enterprise Linux appealing. We understand that transitioning to another Red Hat solution requires careful planning and implementation. We have created a migration plan for Red Hat Network customers to help make the transition as simple and seamless as possible. Details: If you purchase Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS or ES Basic before February 28, 2004, you will receive 50% off the price for two years.[*] (That's two years for the price of one.) In addition, we have created a Red Hat Linux Migration Resource Center to address your migration planning and other questions, such as: * What are best practices for implementing the migration to Red Hat Enterprise Linux? * Are there other migration alternatives? * How do I purchase Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS or ES Basic at the price above? * What if my paid subscription to RHN extends past April 30, 2004? Find out more about your migration options with product comparisons, whitepapers and documentation at the Red Hat Linux Migration Resource Center: http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/rhl/rhn Or read the FAQ written especially for Red Hat Network customers: https://rhn.redhat.com/help/rhlmigrationfaq/ Sincerely, Red Hat, Inc. [*] Limit 10 units. Higher volume purchase inquiries should contact a regional Red Hat sales representative. Contact numbers available at http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/rhl/rhn --the Red Hat Network Team = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Red Hat Linux end-of-life
Most disturbing indeed. Is this mean that RH will become closed-source ? I mean, if they dropping the personal edition becouse (just a guess) too few buy it, then there will be no point in leaving the Enterprise edition available for free downloads. And that means closed-source. What do you think ? - Original Message - From: Oleg Goldshmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:49 PM Subject: Red Hat Linux end-of-life I am sure most of you are aware of the basics of it, but just as a newsflash and maybe some details, here is what I found in my mailbox today (I removed my identification and most headers from the email as irrelevant). -- Attached file included as plaintext by Listar -- Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:45:33 -0500 From: Red Hat Network [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Red Hat Linux end-of-life update and transition planning MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear subscriber, Thank you for being a Red Hat Network customer. This e-mail provides you with important information about the upcoming discontinuation of Red Hat Linux, and resources to assist you with your migration to another Red Hat solution. As previously communicated, Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 as of December 31, 2003. Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release another product in the Red Hat Linux line. With the recent announcement of Red Hat Enterprise Linux v.3, you'll find migrating to Enterprise Linux appealing. We understand that transitioning to another Red Hat solution requires careful planning and implementation. We have created a migration plan for Red Hat Network customers to help make the transition as simple and seamless as possible. Details: If you purchase Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS or ES Basic before February 28, 2004, you will receive 50% off the price for two years.[*] (That's two years for the price of one.) In addition, we have created a Red Hat Linux Migration Resource Center to address your migration planning and other questions, such as: * What are best practices for implementing the migration to Red Hat Enterprise Linux? * Are there other migration alternatives? * How do I purchase Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS or ES Basic at the price above? * What if my paid subscription to RHN extends past April 30, 2004? Find out more about your migration options with product comparisons, whitepapers and documentation at the Red Hat Linux Migration Resource Center: http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/rhl/rhn Or read the FAQ written especially for Red Hat Network customers: https://rhn.redhat.com/help/rhlmigrationfaq/ Sincerely, Red Hat, Inc. [*] Limit 10 units. Higher volume purchase inquiries should contact a regional Red Hat sales representative. Contact numbers available at http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/rhl/rhn --the Red Hat Network Team = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Red Hat Linux end-of-life
Well, it seems I was too hasty to draw conclusions :-) Apparently they are intending the Fedora project to be the successor of RH series. https://rhn.redhat.com/help/rhlmigrationfaq/ - Original Message - From: Oleg Kobets [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:56 PM Subject: Re: Red Hat Linux end-of-life Most disturbing indeed. Is this mean that RH will become closed-source ? I mean, if they dropping the personal edition becouse (just a guess) too few buy it, then there will be no point in leaving the Enterprise edition available for free downloads. And that means closed-source. What do you think ? - Original Message - From: Oleg Goldshmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:49 PM Subject: Red Hat Linux end-of-life I am sure most of you are aware of the basics of it, but just as a newsflash and maybe some details, here is what I found in my mailbox today (I removed my identification and most headers from the email as irrelevant). -- Attached file included as plaintext by Listar -- Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:45:33 -0500 From: Red Hat Network [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Red Hat Linux end-of-life update and transition planning MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear subscriber, Thank you for being a Red Hat Network customer. This e-mail provides you with important information about the upcoming discontinuation of Red Hat Linux, and resources to assist you with your migration to another Red Hat solution. As previously communicated, Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 as of December 31, 2003. Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release another product in the Red Hat Linux line. With the recent announcement of Red Hat Enterprise Linux v.3, you'll find migrating to Enterprise Linux appealing. We understand that transitioning to another Red Hat solution requires careful planning and implementation. We have created a migration plan for Red Hat Network customers to help make the transition as simple and seamless as possible. Details: If you purchase Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS or ES Basic before February 28, 2004, you will receive 50% off the price for two years.[*] (That's two years for the price of one.) In addition, we have created a Red Hat Linux Migration Resource Center to address your migration planning and other questions, such as: * What are best practices for implementing the migration to Red Hat Enterprise Linux? * Are there other migration alternatives? * How do I purchase Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS or ES Basic at the price above? * What if my paid subscription to RHN extends past April 30, 2004? Find out more about your migration options with product comparisons, whitepapers and documentation at the Red Hat Linux Migration Resource Center: http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/rhl/rhn Or read the FAQ written especially for Red Hat Network customers: https://rhn.redhat.com/help/rhlmigrationfaq/ Sincerely, Red Hat, Inc. [*] Limit 10 units. Higher volume purchase inquiries should contact a regional Red Hat sales representative. Contact numbers available at http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/rhl/rhn --the Red Hat Network Team = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Red Hat Linux end-of-life
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 09:56:46PM +0200, Oleg Kobets wrote: Most disturbing indeed. Is this mean that RH will become closed-source ? I mean, if they dropping the personal edition becouse (just a guess) too few buy it, then there will be no point in leaving the Enterprise edition available for free downloads. And that means closed-source. What do you think ? Not exactly - they also started Fedora http://fedora.redhat.com/, which surprizingly was not mentioned in their email. -- Didi - Original Message - From: Oleg Goldshmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:49 PM Subject: Red Hat Linux end-of-life I am sure most of you are aware of the basics of it, but just as a newsflash and maybe some details, here is what I found in my mailbox today (I removed my identification and most headers from the email as irrelevant). -- Attached file included as plaintext by Listar -- Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:45:33 -0500 From: Red Hat Network [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Red Hat Linux end-of-life update and transition planning MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear subscriber, Thank you for being a Red Hat Network customer. This e-mail provides you with important information about the upcoming discontinuation of Red Hat Linux, and resources to assist you with your migration to another Red Hat solution. As previously communicated, Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 as of December 31, 2003. Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release another product in the Red Hat Linux line. With the recent announcement of Red Hat Enterprise Linux v.3, you'll find migrating to Enterprise Linux appealing. We understand that transitioning to another Red Hat solution requires careful planning and implementation. We have created a migration plan for Red Hat Network customers to help make the transition as simple and seamless as possible. Details: If you purchase Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS or ES Basic before February 28, 2004, you will receive 50% off the price for two years.[*] (That's two years for the price of one.) In addition, we have created a Red Hat Linux Migration Resource Center to address your migration planning and other questions, such as: * What are best practices for implementing the migration to Red Hat Enterprise Linux? * Are there other migration alternatives? * How do I purchase Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS or ES Basic at the price above? * What if my paid subscription to RHN extends past April 30, 2004? Find out more about your migration options with product comparisons, whitepapers and documentation at the Red Hat Linux Migration Resource Center: http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/rhl/rhn Or read the FAQ written especially for Red Hat Network customers: https://rhn.redhat.com/help/rhlmigrationfaq/ Sincerely, Red Hat, Inc. [*] Limit 10 units. Higher volume purchase inquiries should contact a regional Red Hat sales representative. Contact numbers available at http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/rhl/rhn --the Red Hat Network Team = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Red Hat Linux end-of-life
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 09:56:46PM +0200, Oleg Kobets wrote: Most disturbing indeed. Is this mean that RH will become closed-source ? By what stretch of the imagination? I mean, if they dropping the personal edition becouse (just a guess) too few buy it, then there will be no point in leaving the Enterprise edition available for free downloads. And that means closed-source. Nope. The code is mostly? entirely? GPL. And they are not dropping the personal edition. Look into Fedora, funded by RH. -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org | http://mulix.livejournal.com/ the nucleus of linux oscillates my world - [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: ???: Re: ???: http://www.orange.co.il/catalog/ is unviewable in Mozilla {ID:36786727} (fwd)
Hi all!
Attached is a discussion I had with the webmaster of the site of Orange,
of which I recently became a customer of. Notice what I claim to be some
inconsistencies in his approach. The final E-mail he sent me (after which
I said that I'll just agree to disagree) is:
Dear Mr. Fish.
I would like to end this discution with this note.
Even though I am a user of Linux and a fan of all things open source I
still do
not agree that all websites should support all browsers. orange's website
was
designed to be out of the ordinary, not standard and clean but to align
itself
with our Logo and unique line of advertising.. We chose to write it this
way
and we have no regrets.
Even with all this in mind, your comments about compatibility will be
taken
into consideration.
If you are an Orange customer please voice your complaint as well or
mention that you support my opinions. (to [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
--
Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/
Writing a BitKeeper replacement is probably easier at this point than getting
its license changed.
Matt Mackall on OFTC.net #offtopic.
-- Forwarded message --
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:54:55 +0200 (IST)
From: Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ???: Re: ???: http://www.orange.co.il/catalog/ is unviewable
in Mozill a{ID:36786727} (fwd)
--
Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/
An apple a day will keep a doctor away. Two apples a day will keep two
doctors away.
Falk Fish
-- Forwarded message --
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:39:45 +0200 (IST)
From: Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ???: Re: ???: http://www.orange.co.il/catalog/ is unviewable
in Mozill a{ID:36786727}
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Mr. Fish,
I thank you again for your mail.
I regret being so blunt but, no, we are not going to change our website in
the near future. We have developed an amazing website,
amazing? By this do you mean full of non-portable bells and whistles,
and other idiosyncracies? Sorry, but that's not an amazing web-site
according to my book.
A good web-site is either simple and clean, or includes
standard-compliant, portable embelishments. (which are usually not
necessary).
Usability, low bandwidth, etc. is much more important than amazingness
and I bet it's not very usable in MSIE either.
that costs us a
lot of money to develop and maintain,
Why does it? Why should it? I maintain a few web-sites in my free time and
I'm not getting paid to do so. If you keep your web-site clean and simple,
it will cost less money to maintain and will also attract more visitors.
and it is currently built exactly
according to our business needs.
I seriously doubt it is built according to anyone's business needs. Why do
you need JavaScript to display the catalog of images? Why not simply
include them in the HTML? If you look at popular international sites,
you'll see that most of them are built with simple and clean HTML
(sometimes without any trace of JavaScript).
I can also say that although
technologically it might be possible to develop a version for Mozilla or
other browsers,
1. It is possible.
2. I'm not talking about a separate version for other browsers. I'm
talking about one version for _all_ browsers.
orange, and many other content providers, are investing
in the most common browser, it is currently not cost efficient to
develop versions for other browsers.
It is cost efficient if you hire clueful developers. Look at my site:
http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/
(which links to other sites I made).
They all look perfectly fine in all modern browsers, including lynx (a
minimalistic text browser). Why? Because I know what I'm doing and I know
how to write good HTML.
First you tell me your site costs a lot of money to maintain, and then you
tell me it is not cost efficient to support other browsers. Now, let me
tell you this: if you keep your site clean and standards compliant, you
can have it support all browsers and it will cost you much less money to
maintain.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
Regards
Eyal Sion
Data Support Team
www.orange.co.il
-? ??-
??: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
?: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:48:32 +0200
???: Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Re: ???: http://www.orange.co.il/catalog/ is unviewable in Mozill a
{ID:36786727}
On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Mr. Fish,
I thank you for your e-mail.
In reply to your complaint, currently, our website is only supported
by Internet Explorer versions 5.5 and up.
OK.
Are you going to do anything about it? By designing a web-site according
to web
Re: ???: Re: ???: http://www.orange.co.il/catalog/ is unviewable in Mozilla {ID:36786727} (fwd)
I am not an Orange client, but it seems to me you should direct your
e-mail to marketing and make the following notes:
The orange site is payed for by your money (as a client) and as part of
the service you are entitled to.
You find it troubling that Orange is paying (or so they claim) large
sums of money for a service that does not work. This is almost the same
as providing you with a phone number that includes the infinity symbol
(very cool, but no one can call you...)
You should request that your service charges be reduces until such a
time as the site is usable, as Orange did for users who bought handsets
that had no cell in their areas.
I am now going to check Cellcom's site :)
Shlomi Fish wrote:
Hi all!
Attached is a discussion I had with the webmaster of the site of Orange,
of which I recently became a customer of. Notice what I claim to be some
inconsistencies in his approach. The final E-mail he sent me (after which
I said that I'll just agree to disagree) is:
Dear Mr. Fish.
I would like to end this discution with this note.
Even though I am a user of Linux and a fan of all things open source I
still do
not agree that all websites should support all browsers. orange's website
was
designed to be out of the ordinary, not standard and clean but to align
itself
with our Logo and unique line of advertising.. We chose to write it this
way
and we have no regrets.
Even with all this in mind, your comments about compatibility will be
taken
into consideration.
If you are an Orange customer please voice your complaint as well or
mention that you support my opinions. (to [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
--
Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/
Writing a BitKeeper replacement is probably easier at this point than getting
its license changed.
Matt Mackall on OFTC.net #offtopic.
-- Forwarded message --
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:54:55 +0200 (IST)
From: Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ???: Re: ???: http://www.orange.co.il/catalog/ is unviewable
in Mozill a{ID:36786727} (fwd)
--
Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/
An apple a day will keep a doctor away. Two apples a day will keep two
doctors away.
Falk Fish
-- Forwarded message --
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:39:45 +0200 (IST)
From: Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ???: Re: ???: http://www.orange.co.il/catalog/ is unviewable
in Mozill a{ID:36786727}
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Mr. Fish,
I thank you again for your mail.
I regret being so blunt but, no, we are not going to change our website in
the near future. We have developed an amazing website,
amazing? By this do you mean full of non-portable bells and whistles,
and other idiosyncracies? Sorry, but that's not an amazing web-site
according to my book.
A good web-site is either simple and clean, or includes
standard-compliant, portable embelishments. (which are usually not
necessary).
Usability, low bandwidth, etc. is much more important than amazingness
and I bet it's not very usable in MSIE either.
that costs us a
lot of money to develop and maintain,
Why does it? Why should it? I maintain a few web-sites in my free time and
I'm not getting paid to do so. If you keep your web-site clean and simple,
it will cost less money to maintain and will also attract more visitors.
and it is currently built exactly
according to our business needs.
I seriously doubt it is built according to anyone's business needs. Why do
you need JavaScript to display the catalog of images? Why not simply
include them in the HTML? If you look at popular international sites,
you'll see that most of them are built with simple and clean HTML
(sometimes without any trace of JavaScript).
I can also say that although
technologically it might be possible to develop a version for Mozilla or
other browsers,
1. It is possible.
2. I'm not talking about a separate version for other browsers. I'm
talking about one version for _all_ browsers.
orange, and many other content providers, are investing
in the most common browser, it is currently not cost efficient to
develop versions for other browsers.
It is cost efficient if you hire clueful developers. Look at my site:
http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/
(which links to other sites I made).
They all look perfectly fine in all modern browsers, including lynx (a
minimalistic text browser). Why? Because I know what I'm doing and I know
how to write good HTML.
First you tell me your site costs a lot of money to maintain, and then you
tell me it is not cost efficient to support other browsers. Now, let me
tell you this: if you keep your site clean and standards compliant, you
can have it
Some clarifications - Linux Day (Haifux instaparty) - Information for installers candidates
Hi again, I just wanted to add that: 1) Gurus do not have to arrive to the installers meeting. It is only for installers candidates only (Gurus will solve specific problems, answer questions and won't necessarily install Linuxes). 2) Any candidate who can't arrive to the installers meeting, should tell me about it in the first place, and if we need more installers after the installation meeting - he will know about it once the meeting is over. Once again - feel free to reply and send your comments to me. Best regards. On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Adir Abraham wrote: Hi all, As you know - the Linux Day arrives and we have to choose installers for the instaparty. Among all those who wish to arrive and wish to install, and for the sake of order - we have to know in advance, who are going to be the installers. Among those who who plan to become an installer - only 15-20 will be chosen, while we plan to have at least 15 dynamic and active installers. This is because we will not have more than 20 stands, we wish to stay with the same installers most of the time, and because of other reasons that can't be published here. Just to make it clear - when I write to install (later on in the email) - it means to install to others. You can arrive, ofcourse, as an installee (someone who gets installed Linux in his/her computer), so if you plan to be an installee - this email is probably not for you. If you plan to be an installer, please send me ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) your details, with the subject LINUX DAY INSTALLER (yes, with caps lock on. I don't want to miss your email by mistake) - up to next Sunday (9/11/2003) the following details: 1) Your first name and family name. 2) Age. 3) Where you live (city, etc. I don't need exact address). 4) Cellular phone number (it's critical for the Linux party. If you don't hold a cellular phone - please note it). 5) When you plan to arrive and for how long you plan to stay(!). 6) Relevant expertise in installations (have you ever installed a Linux distribution? and if so, where? etc.) Please note that as a candidate - 1) You have to send me the details above. If I don't know your name, or any other information is missing, and/or you arrive to the installers meeting and/or to the Linux day (as an installer, ofcourse) - without getting a confirmation from me - you cannot be a candidate. You can't just arrive and ask to install Linux to others. 2) Once you are confirmed - you will have to get to the installers meeting which will be on November 10th (next Monday), in Taub Building (CS department), room #3 (0th (E) floor), in the Technion, at 18:30. 3) You will have to install nothing but the distribution which was decided in the first place (Redhat 9.0 is the official distribution), and the extraCD package which was specifically designed for this instaparty (more details will be in the meeting). As I said - not all candidates will be approved, and if you're missing information, or you can stay in the party for a short time (can be changed - depends on the other candidates, schedules, etc.), or you don't think that you can install Linux but all you want is to try - I'm sorry, but you will not be approved. We might filter some installers during the installers meeting as well, as we need to stay with 20 maximum (the number of good candidates is not filtered before this meeting, unless you miss relevant info, etc, as I mentioned earlier). Your details, as well as other comments, flames, etc. about this email (if you have) - should be sent to ME only, as a reply. If you read it all that far... :) I wish you all good luck, and I hope to see you as an installer. Best regards. -- Adir Abraham Technion's Advisors Group and Public PC Farms Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Haifa, Israel ICQ# 1841481 Cel# +972-53-243438, +972-55-481245 KeyID: 0xD8DC85C7 Fingerprint: 138D 8F41 7A06 44A0 3DBB 9DC3 FE8B 2658 -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com mQEPAzLax/sAAAEIAK2bI8utornDYd5LdU+/TABNmqXneiXuLx4j8OKD2GjfS/O8 E6nrX69ot4uU5ryjp5h+7VHBZqCQz+8VC8ly2ANtycejAc82gllVC96fbA+Y6uuN uI9aXkwNqhphmmQZIVaOZDRAo9//1zX9r41xY+8rKSQuNcp+FPD/A5Itng0xhsfS KkCV4tT0mGpiydUHFrugk/bouXPYwUHXSnHp/mPdGsjgqipezHPzCWIn3xcJjk2/ tjd5/ym+arWpKW5nvTuvalcMi2DIcEilSrT5NLwgeuh3eqitYOc9WTiMNMvUiVcP sucJkdxNwjEX9MgD/bLY9wT/13brqxk71tjchccAEQEAAbQnQWRpciBBYnJhaGFt IDxhZGlyQHZpcGUudGVjaG5pb24uYWMuaWw+iQEVAwUQMtrH+6sZO9bY3IXHAQGb 0gf9FwrJBKaTP0yvf3+vwtB+9ftS0woz1TawJwflC5EoHJs7D/5GzkAaRV82RSkH P9fSHmM+LUB0huBBK1qtNyXHWIjQTmYwFYC8Oen4q0Fyze7cloSnpD1rVjI0HoCO UU8bbz0Iseizdjhnl2PTItQ+dkKzLcww1jW5iPXOWd1o8/8s2aebhrpDRO8BfAYg H29jhmDtuVQDPgFfkN/kP+xpHQplMN5Qh1oP22f+Wyg8sVvSv8P7cM+88u46FHi3
Linux Day (Haifux instaparty) - Information for installers candidates
Hi all, As you know - the Linux Day arrives and we have to choose installers for the instaparty. Among all those who wish to arrive and wish to install, and for the sake of order - we have to know in advance, who are going to be the installers. Among those who who plan to become an installer - only 15-20 will be chosen, while we plan to have at least 15 dynamic and active installers. This is because we will not have more than 20 stands, we wish to stay with the same installers most of the time, and because of other reasons that can't be published here. Just to make it clear - when I write to install (later on in the email) - it means to install to others. You can arrive, ofcourse, as an installee (someone who gets installed Linux in his/her computer), so if you plan to be an installee - this email is probably not for you. If you plan to be an installer, please send me ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) your details, with the subject LINUX DAY INSTALLER (yes, with caps lock on. I don't want to miss your email by mistake) - up to next Sunday (9/11/2003) the following details: 1) Your first name and family name. 2) Age. 3) Where you live (city, etc. I don't need exact address). 4) Cellular phone number (it's critical for the Linux party. If you don't hold a cellular phone - please note it). 5) When you plan to arrive and for how long you plan to stay(!). 6) Relevant expertise in installations (have you ever installed a Linux distribution? and if so, where? etc.) Please note that as a candidate - 1) You have to send me the details above. If I don't know your name, or any other information is missing, and/or you arrive to the installers meeting and/or to the Linux day (as an installer, ofcourse) - without getting a confirmation from me - you cannot be a candidate. You can't just arrive and ask to install Linux to others. 2) Once you are confirmed - you will have to get to the installers meeting which will be on November 10th (next Monday), in Taub Building (CS department), room #3 (0th (E) floor), in the Technion, at 18:30. 3) You will have to install nothing but the distribution which was decided in the first place (Redhat 9.0 is the official distribution), and the extraCD package which was specifically designed for this instaparty (more details will be in the meeting). As I said - not all candidates will be approved, and if you're missing information, or you can stay in the party for a short time (can be changed - depends on the other candidates, schedules, etc.), or you don't think that you can install Linux but all you want is to try - I'm sorry, but you will not be approved. We might filter some installers during the installers meeting as well, as we need to stay with 20 maximum (the number of good candidates is not filtered before this meeting, unless you miss relevant info, etc, as I mentioned earlier). Your details, as well as other comments, flames, etc. about this email (if you have) - should be sent to ME only, as a reply. If you read it all that far... :) I wish you all good luck, and I hope to see you as an installer. Best regards. -- Adir Abraham Technion's Advisors Group and Public PC Farms Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Haifa, Israel ICQ# 1841481 Cel# +972-53-243438, +972-55-481245 KeyID: 0xD8DC85C7 Fingerprint: 138D 8F41 7A06 44A0 3DBB 9DC3 FE8B 2658 -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com mQEPAzLax/sAAAEIAK2bI8utornDYd5LdU+/TABNmqXneiXuLx4j8OKD2GjfS/O8 E6nrX69ot4uU5ryjp5h+7VHBZqCQz+8VC8ly2ANtycejAc82gllVC96fbA+Y6uuN uI9aXkwNqhphmmQZIVaOZDRAo9//1zX9r41xY+8rKSQuNcp+FPD/A5Itng0xhsfS KkCV4tT0mGpiydUHFrugk/bouXPYwUHXSnHp/mPdGsjgqipezHPzCWIn3xcJjk2/ tjd5/ym+arWpKW5nvTuvalcMi2DIcEilSrT5NLwgeuh3eqitYOc9WTiMNMvUiVcP sucJkdxNwjEX9MgD/bLY9wT/13brqxk71tjchccAEQEAAbQnQWRpciBBYnJhaGFt IDxhZGlyQHZpcGUudGVjaG5pb24uYWMuaWw+iQEVAwUQMtrH+6sZO9bY3IXHAQGb 0gf9FwrJBKaTP0yvf3+vwtB+9ftS0woz1TawJwflC5EoHJs7D/5GzkAaRV82RSkH P9fSHmM+LUB0huBBK1qtNyXHWIjQTmYwFYC8Oen4q0Fyze7cloSnpD1rVjI0HoCO UU8bbz0Iseizdjhnl2PTItQ+dkKzLcww1jW5iPXOWd1o8/8s2aebhrpDRO8BfAYg H29jhmDtuVQDPgFfkN/kP+xpHQplMN5Qh1oP22f+Wyg8sVvSv8P7cM+88u46FHi3 zvHpVnZKIBtKhksnH1PYXtz7FvS7vA+MbpM47kgmQGL5Ygig0pUUbBCGlzmg2Hvd 262YCdVYNwpIjQWBLJI8orea0Q== =dgNP -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux Day (Haifux instaparty) - Information for installers candidates
I will probable be there. I will not bring my box, but I am looking for someone to chat about debian. He who brings disks (+updates for all thingies like kde, oo and all other goodies) will get my blessing. I am sure we can find a burner there. :) If I am asked, I may bring Mandrake 9.1 + updates (9.2 is not usable for newbies yet IMHO). , 3 2003, 19:38,Adir Abraham: Your details, as well as other comments, flames, etc. about this email (if you have) - should be sent to ME only, as a reply. If you read it all that far... :) I wish you all good luck, and I hope to see you as an installer. Best regards. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
