Re: VMWare in Israel

[Gil Freund]

Not quite, VMWare is (also?) represented by WE 
(http://www.we-can.co.il/), which did some rather impressive work with 
it (consolidating Windows servers).

I have no commercial relation with either WE or VMware.

Gil

Daniel Feiglin wrote:
Hello!

This may be of interest :

REL claims to be the sole local agent for VMWare.

Contact info:
*Carmit Harari*
Marketing Manager
REL (Renaissance)
Tel. +972-9-7643571
Fax. +972-9-7643566
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www.SecurityCenter.co.il 
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VMWare in Israel

[Daniel Feiglin]

Hello!

This may be of interest :

REL claims to be the sole local agent for VMWare.

Contact info:
*Carmit Harari*
Marketing Manager
REL (Renaissance)
Tel. +972-9-7643571
Fax. +972-9-7643566
e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
www.REL.co.il 
www.SecurityCenter.co.il 
I have no commercial interest whatsoever in REL

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Re: OT: ECI 270PR as router

[Guy Teverovsky]

On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 22:51, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
> Hello all,

> I got an ECI 270PR (the modem/router Bezeq offers for ADSL users), and
> while it's being advertized as a router, specifically one that allows
> "Internet connection sharing", the documentation that comes with it
> only explains how to setup PPPoE, and I couldn't find other things on
> Bezeq's site. A google search found this:
> 

finally it got indexed by google :-) 

> which seems like an official document (by whom?), and which explains
> how to configure many (relatively) advanced things in the router.
> I also know that Bezeq does not support users who upgrade their alcatel
> STH to Pro (and configure it as a router). Does anyone know what is the
> official policy of Bezeq regarding this issue? Is using this ECI modem
> as a router officially allowed and supported? And if yes, is the reason
> that alcatel isn't is only that it's not allowed by alcatel (because the
> Pro costs more), or some other reason?

The document has been contributed by ECI. Bezeq officially support the
router configuration. It is all 100% legal.
There are some issues with it's current firmware I have already
mentioned on this list. Search in the archives should reveal it.

Fixed firmware is in the pre-beta stage and being tested. If you are
willing to be beta-tester, I can arrange that you get it. The catch is
that you will have to supply feedback to ECI and "Networks and
Broadband" forum at Tapuz. The official updated firmware should be
released shortly.

The reason that Alcatel is not supported is because Alcatel Home's
firmware is different (actually just capped) from Alcatel Pro's firmware
and most of Alcatel owners never purchased Pro's firmware (hence, they
have no license to use it). Bezeq just didn't buy Pro's firmware for
distribution to end users.

Guy
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Re: Open Source ERP system

[meorero]

no, Sap is indeed not OSS ...

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OT: ECI 270PR as router

[Yedidyah Bar-David]

Hello all,

Sorry for being a bit off-topic by I think this interests many and someone
might have an answer.

I got an ECI 270PR (the modem/router Bezeq offers for ADSL users), and
while it's being advertized as a router, specifically one that allows
"Internet connection sharing", the documentation that comes with it
only explains how to setup PPPoE, and I couldn't find other things on
Bezeq's site. A google search found this:

which seems like an official document (by whom?), and which explains
how to configure many (relatively) advanced things in the router.
I also know that Bezeq does not support users who upgrade their alcatel
STH to Pro (and configure it as a router). Does anyone know what is the
official policy of Bezeq regarding this issue? Is using this ECI modem
as a router officially allowed and supported? And if yes, is the reason
that alcatel isn't is only that it's not allowed by alcatel (because the
Pro costs more), or some other reason?

Thanks,
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Re: Linux Server and Timezones ( cross topic )

[Lior Kaplan]

The idea is to make all times GMT. And everyone (including yourself) will
see the time according to his time zone. The time zone also include DST
(daylight saving time).

If taking your example: a bid that ends in one hour.
Every one should see the end time as one hour from thier local time.
That time is affected from the time zone.

FYI, GMT isn't UTC.
GMT is an astronomical date - the time earth rotats around itself (= our
day&night).
UTC is a time mesured by atomical clocks. This time is added with leap
seconds to show the same time as GMT.

Time zone details can be check here:
http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/index.htm

more info can be seen at: http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/home.htm

Two more resources on the subject:
http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/
http://whyfiles.org/078time/
http://www.boulder.nist.gov/timefreq/service/time-servers.html - some US NTP
servers.

Regards,

Lior Kaplan
http://www.Guides.co.il


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From: "Ben-Nes Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: Linux Server and Timezones ( cross topic )


> > Stay out of the timezone mess altogether.
> >
> > 1. Keep times in UTC.
>
> UTC is GMT
> http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/utc.html
>
> > 2. Let the manager's preferences have a "local time zone"
> > for himself, and when he enters a time you translate from his local
> > timezone to "gmt".
>
> How shall I do this ? I don't know when they going to switch to saving
time
> and it can change any time ( like in Israel )
>
> And I cant afford the possibility that some of the users will see an
auction
> that going to end in an hour while its going to end in real time in 5 min.
>
> > 3. Maybe add a system configuration parameter to display the timezone
> > in which the times should be displayed.
> >
> > That's basically the way UNIX handles this, and in a way that's
> > why it's probably the easiest aproach (functions to translate to
> > local time zones and back already exist in the standard C library).
> >
> > BTW - the term "local NTP server" hints to me that you might not be
> > aware what that means - NTP servers give GMT time. They don't care
> > about local time zones. The only place where the "local time" raises
> > it's ugly head (or should be) are the functions which actually print
> > times (to logs or on the screen), everywere else you should be able to
> > take a large integer number anywere in the world and treat it as the
> > number of seconds since 12AM, Jan 1, 1970, GMT.
> >
> > --Amos
> >
> > Ben-Nes Michael wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All
> > >
> > > I'm building an E-commerce auction store for Hungarian company.
> > >
> > > When the manager add new sale He set the expiry date/time of the
auction
> (
> > > gmt +1 - hungarian ).
> > >
> > > My server is located in Israel and is tuned against local NTP server.
> > >
> > > How can I insure that my system will behave correctly considering the
> time
> > > zone/saving light ?
> > >
>
>
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Re: RedHat equivalent of make-kpkg?

[Oleg Goldshmidt]

Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> No, they are not. There are built from the big kernel .src.rpm . It
> contains houndreds of patches (ok: something between 100 to 200) and
> builds with a number of different configurations and CPUs.

Nothing here says the provided make target could not be used,
though. Factually, it isn't.

> Actually: they do none of the above explicitly, IIRC. What they do is
> run:
> 
>   /sbin/installkernel

Fine, that's where the smarts are. Point is, there are extra
post-install smarts on top of what the vanilla Makefile provides.

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Re: RedHat equivalent of make-kpkg?

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 06:15:04PM +0200, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> > So what's the bottom line of all this?  That "make rpm" in the vanilla
> > kernels is not useful enough?
> 
> I must admit I never used it. I wonder if the RedHat kernels are built
> with it. 

No, they are not. There are built from the big kernel .src.rpm . It
contains houndreds of patches (ok: something between 100 to 200) and
builds with a number of different configurations and CPUs.

"Use it if you feel like buiding your kernel around 10 times for each
change."

> I gave scripts/mkspec a quick look, and it looks like RH are
> a bit smarter, in the sense that they
> 
> * add a stanza to /etc/lilo.conf
> * run lilo
> * make initrd with the new kernel
> 
> All of the above carries no warranty - I cannot be sure I am not
> missing something.

Actually: they do none of the above explicitly, IIRC. What they do is
run:

  /sbin/installkernel

Which should do whatever is necessary for that specific distro.

Note that all distro kernels tend to use initrd. This is often
unnecessary with a custom kernel and removing it can reduce the
startup-time and complexity of the system. But make sure your system can
boot.

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Re: RedHat equivalent of make-kpkg?

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 08:02:10PM +0200, Diego Iastrubni wrote:
> Tzafrir Cohen wrote:

> >echo "%define __debug_install_post #"
> >echo "%define debug_package #"
> >
> >After getting the following error:
> >
> >error: Could not open %files file 
> >/home/tzafrir/RPM/BUILD/kernel-2.4.22/debugfiles.list: No such file or 
> >directory
> >   Could not open %files file 
> >   /home/tzafrir/RPM/BUILD/kernel-2.4.22/debugfiles.list: No such file or 
> >   directory
> >
> >But I figure that there must be a better way.
> >
> > 
> >
> you can do what I do most of the time, it's an ugly hack but it does work
> %files
> /
> 
> i know what it does, not lecture me about whats good or not in this. I 
> know this already. As I said it's an ugly hack.

The problem is not the list of %files. It's already there and works. 
The problem is that rpm tries to create a -debug package (a packge with 
debug symbol files). For some reason it fails. I don't really care why, 
because I don't need it.

A number of other issues:

* /lib/modules/$version/build is a link to the build directory , which
  can be something like /home/tzafrir/RPM/BUILD/$version

  Not useful after the RPM is transfered to another machine

* "release tag": make-kpkg gives you a number of such options. With the
  above method you're on your own.


Something to remember: Suppose you built a package with version number
"2.4.22" and installed it. Later on (after the reboot) you decide you
want to build the kernel with a different onfiguration and rebuild the
package with a different config. 

The modules will be installed to the same place. If the original
kernel will try to load a module it will load a module of the new
kernel. If the configuration differs enough this could be bad. Thus it
is probably preffered to reboot a while after upgrading that kernel
package.

(There's nothing specific to working with kernel packages. But when
you work with rpm/deb you tend to have the feling that just installing
the package is enough and will fix things)

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Re: RedHat equivalent of make-kpkg?

[Oleg Goldshmidt]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> So what's the bottom line of all this?  That "make rpm" in the vanilla
> kernels is not useful enough?

I must admit I never used it. I wonder if the RedHat kernels are built
with it. I gave scripts/mkspec a quick look, and it looks like RH are
a bit smarter, in the sense that they

* add a stanza to /etc/lilo.conf
* run lilo
* make initrd with the new kernel

All of the above carries no warranty - I cannot be sure I am not
missing something.

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Re: RedHat equivalent of make-kpkg?

[Diego Iastrubni]

Tzafrir Cohen wrote:

On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 08:39:43AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

Is there any red-hat equivalent for Debian's make-kpkg?

For those who don't know what it is - make-kpkg allows one to take a
vanilla kernel source and build .deb files for the kernel image,
modules etc.
It just looks a bit wierd to me that such an important part of the
system like the kernel image should just be cp(1)'ed over to /vmlinux
and linked manually, without making the RPM database aware of the
change and helping me keep track of the installed kernels on the system.
   

A number of other issues:

usually when you install a new kernel that you built you keep the old
one for a while. At least until you see it boot. Thus it might be useful
to think about installing a number of them side-by-side.
Thus there are a number of other tasks involved in a kernel package:

1. update an entry in lilo.conf/grub.conf
2. run lilo, if lilo is used
3. If you need an initrd: create it at compile time or package install
  time?
There are a number of distro-specific scripts to automate those tasks
and hide some details that change occasionally.
I would have loved to use the source rpm of redhat or Mandrake and to
get a kernel package with exactly he same script and maybe modify some
patches etc. However that srpm needs serious hacking (with an axe). It
is an overly-complex script that builds the kernel around 5 times with 5
different configurations. I have tried this hacking and failed. I also
asked the rpm list and nobody admitted to be using it.
So 'make rpm' seems like a useful thing to do:

untar kernel
apply patches
make {menu|x|old}config
make rpm
I don't remember if 'make distclean' and/or 'make dep' are required
anywhere.
I have a spec that is based on its output with a simple postinst script
and a custom .config file.
I have added the following to scripts/mkspec to work around a problem
with RH9:
echo "%define __debug_install_post #"
echo "%define debug_package #"
After getting the following error:

error: Could not open %files file 
/home/tzafrir/RPM/BUILD/kernel-2.4.22/debugfiles.list: No such file or directory
   Could not open %files file /home/tzafrir/RPM/BUILD/kernel-2.4.22/debugfiles.list: 
No such file or directory
But I figure that there must be a better way.

 

you can do what I do most of the time, it's an uglu hack but it does work
%files
/
i know what it does, not lecture me about whats good or not in this. I 
know this already. As I said it's an ugly hack.



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Re: RedHat equivalent of make-kpkg?

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 05:42:31PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> >A number of other issues:
> >
> >usually when you install a new kernel that you built you keep the old
> >one for a while. At least until you see it boot. Thus it might be useful
> >to think about installing a number of them side-by-side.
> 
> That's another reason why make-kpkg is nice - these days I find myself
> compiling 2.6testX kernels twice a week and sometimes multiple times a
> day (I try to help people shoot the problems I reported on LKML), and
> it's nice to keep track of what's going on through dpkg.

Note that unlike debs, building an rpm is running a script and not
running a makefile. No easy shortcuts in case of a compilation problem,
but the result is more reproducable.

[ snip ]

> So what's the bottom line of all this?  That "make rpm" in the vanilla
> kernels is not useful enough?

It is. At least if you don't hit anything else. If you hit that error
message you are already provided with a workaround.


One other thing I forgot to mention: Should be relevant to 2.4 and not
to 2.6, as the config system has be rewritten in a sane way (right?):

Even after you run 'make xconfig' or 'make menuconfig' run 'make
oldconfig' to make sure 'make oldconfig' requires no input. Those three
don't seem to be exactly in sync.

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Re: RedHat equivalent of make-kpkg?

[linux-il]

Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
A number of other issues:

usually when you install a new kernel that you built you keep the old
one for a while. At least until you see it boot. Thus it might be useful
to think about installing a number of them side-by-side.
That's another reason why make-kpkg is nice - these days I find myself
compiling 2.6testX kernels twice a week and sometimes multiple times a
day (I try to help people shoot the problems I reported on LKML), and
it's nice to keep track of what's going on through dpkg.
Thus there are a number of other tasks involved in a kernel package:

1. update an entry in lilo.conf/grub.conf
2. run lilo, if lilo is used
3. If you need an initrd: create it at compile time or package install
   time?
There are a number of distro-specific scripts to automate those tasks
and hide some details that change occasionally.
Right. For debian it's make-kpkg.

I would have loved to use the source rpm of redhat or Mandrake and to
get a kernel package with exactly he same script and maybe modify some
patches etc. However that srpm needs serious hacking (with an axe). It
is an overly-complex script that builds the kernel around 5 times with 5
different configurations. I have tried this hacking and failed. I also
asked the rpm list and nobody admitted to be using it.
So 'make rpm' seems like a useful thing to do:

untar kernel
apply patches
make {menu|x|old}config
make rpm
I don't remember if 'make distclean' and/or 'make dep' are required
anywhere.
I have a spec that is based on its output with a simple postinst script
and a custom .config file.
I have added the following to scripts/mkspec to work around a problem
with RH9:
echo "%define __debug_install_post #"
echo "%define debug_package #"
After getting the following error:

 error: Could not open %files file 
/home/tzafrir/RPM/BUILD/kernel-2.4.22/debugfiles.list: No such file or directory
Could not open %files file /home/tzafrir/RPM/BUILD/kernel-2.4.22/debugfiles.list: 
No such file or directory
But I figure that there must be a better way.
So what's the bottom line of all this?  That "make rpm" in the vanilla
kernels is not useful enough?
Thanks,

--Amos

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Re: RedHat equivalent of make-kpkg?

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 08:39:43AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Is there any red-hat equivalent for Debian's make-kpkg?
> 
> For those who don't know what it is - make-kpkg allows one to take a
> vanilla kernel source and build .deb files for the kernel image,
> modules etc.
> 
> It just looks a bit wierd to me that such an important part of the
> system like the kernel image should just be cp(1)'ed over to /vmlinux
> and linked manually, without making the RPM database aware of the
> change and helping me keep track of the installed kernels on the system.

A number of other issues:

usually when you install a new kernel that you built you keep the old
one for a while. At least until you see it boot. Thus it might be useful
to think about installing a number of them side-by-side.

Thus there are a number of other tasks involved in a kernel package:

1. update an entry in lilo.conf/grub.conf
2. run lilo, if lilo is used
3. If you need an initrd: create it at compile time or package install
   time?

There are a number of distro-specific scripts to automate those tasks
and hide some details that change occasionally.


I would have loved to use the source rpm of redhat or Mandrake and to
get a kernel package with exactly he same script and maybe modify some
patches etc. However that srpm needs serious hacking (with an axe). It
is an overly-complex script that builds the kernel around 5 times with 5
different configurations. I have tried this hacking and failed. I also
asked the rpm list and nobody admitted to be using it.

So 'make rpm' seems like a useful thing to do:

untar kernel
apply patches
make {menu|x|old}config
make rpm

I don't remember if 'make distclean' and/or 'make dep' are required
anywhere.

I have a spec that is based on its output with a simple postinst script
and a custom .config file.


I have added the following to scripts/mkspec to work around a problem
with RH9:

echo "%define __debug_install_post #"
echo "%define debug_package #"

After getting the following error:

 error: Could not open %files file 
/home/tzafrir/RPM/BUILD/kernel-2.4.22/debugfiles.list: No such file or directory
Could not open %files file /home/tzafrir/RPM/BUILD/kernel-2.4.22/debugfiles.list: 
No such file or directory

But I figure that there must be a better way.

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Re: Open Source ERP system

[Gilad Ben-Yossef]

On Wednesday 03 December 2003 12:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> SAP Maybe ? SAP + SuSe... Maybe ?
> A quick google:
> "SAP mySAP ERP Home": http://www.sap.com/linux/
>


AFAIK, SAP isn't Open Source.

Gilad

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How to unmount a non responding NFS

[Ehud Karni]

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Hash: SHA1

The situation is: 2 NFS disks (from the same server) are mounted like
this:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/13]-~-1520% df -m
fsrvr:/  0 1 0   0% /fsrvr
fsrvr:/rdsk  0 1 0   0% /fsrvr/rdsk

Note that the 2nd NFS mount point is logically on the 1st NFS.

The server stopped to respond (it actually went dead).

when I try to unmount the NFSs I get the following results:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/13]-~-1521% umount -f /fsrvr/rdsk
Cannot MOUNTPROG RPC: RPC: Port mapper failure - RPC: Unable to receive
umount2: Input/output error
umount: /fsrvr/rdsk: can't write superblock
Exit 1

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/13]-~-1522% umount /fsrvr/rdsk
Cannot MOUNTPROG RPC: RPC: Port mapper failure - RPC: Unable to receive
umount: /fsrvr/rdsk: can't write superblock
Exit 1

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/13]-~-1523% umount -f /fsrvr
Cannot MOUNTPROG RPC: RPC: Port mapper failure - RPC: Unable to receive
umount2: Device or resource busy
umount: /fsrvr: device is busy
Exit 1

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/13]-~-1524% umount /fsrvr
Cannot MOUNTPROG RPC: RPC: Port mapper failure - RPC: Unable to receive
umount: /fsrvr: device is busy
Exit 1

Anybody knows how to overcome this ?

Ehud.



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Re: thunderbird links

[Lior Kesos]

Alon Weinstein wrote:

Nice if you prefer Konqi, I don't. I don't use KDE at all actually.
What should really happen is Thunderbird running (IMO) htmlview -- 
which can be configured to run whatever browser you'd like -- I now 
have Gaim open links in Firebird by changing /usr/bin/htmlview.

I don't preffer konqi but I can live with it better then copy and paste 
of the link in to a firebird on the side.

I'm sure this will be resolved soon - BTW did you open a bug report on 
this at the thunderbird site?

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Re: RedHat equivalent of make-kpkg?

[Oded Arbel]

ביום רביעי 03 דצמבר 2003, 12:50, נכתב על ידי Tzafrir Cohen:
> On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 12:30:00PM +0200, Oded Arbel wrote:
> > ביום רביעי 03 דצמבר 2003, 12:23, נכתב על ידי [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> > > Oded Arbel wrote:
> > > > And that being different from your situation where you need a kernel
> > > > source tree of the version you want, in what way ?
> > >
> > > In the way that it would make me dependent on finding a .srpm
> > > file for the kernel I want to compile.
> >
> > Not so. nothing stopping you from pointing the RPM to another source
> > tarball then the one it originally contained.
>
> Have you tried it?

yes

> successfully?

yes. not recently though, and I wouldn't attempt to modify a 2.4 srpm for a
2.6 installation. building a new spec would probably be a better idea if it
weren't for the rpm target in the kernel Makefile.

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Re: Win XP cannot browse intranet web site on a Linux server

[shahar_d]

Hi
I don't know about the Linux side, but on the XP try to bypass proxy server
for local address
(IE |  tools |  internet options | connection | lan setting)
set the address to be something like *.il (press advanced .. to set it)

Shahar
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Subject: Win XP cannot browse intranet web site on a Linux server


> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to set up a Win XP machine to view an intranet site on a
> Linux machine. This win XP machine is being masq'd o.k. and it has
> internet access fine, but somehow, it cannot talk to the local linux
> webserver (apache), or any other service on the Linux machine.
> this is a strange thing. i've tried to debug with a etheral and indeed
> i've seen some suspecious SSDP packets flying around. i've managed,
> AFAIK, to disable this SSDP/UPnP on the Win XP machine but still things
> are no-go. the machine is a debian woody and the XP machine's IP (non
> routable IP network) is defined in /etc/hosts (reverse DNS issues). The
> linux machine is being firewalled, if it makes a difference.
>
> anyone has a clue?
>
> thnaks,
> boaz.
>
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Re: RedHat equivalent of make-kpkg?

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 12:30:00PM +0200, Oded Arbel wrote:
> ביום רביעי 03 דצמבר 2003, 12:23, נכתב על ידי [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> > Oded Arbel wrote:
> > > And that being different from your situation where you need a kernel
> > > source tree of the version you want, in what way ?
> >
> > In the way that it would make me dependent on finding a .srpm
> > file for the kernel I want to compile.
> 
> Not so. nothing stopping you from pointing the RPM to another source tarball 
> then the one it originally contained.

Have you tried it? successfully?

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Re: thunderbird links

[Alon Weinstein]

Nice if you prefer Konqi, I don't. I don't use KDE at all actually.
What should really happen is Thunderbird running (IMO) htmlview -- which 
can be configured to run whatever browser you'd like -- I now have Gaim 
open links in Firebird by changing /usr/bin/htmlview.

Lior Kesos wrote:
The whole thunderbird issue created a very ironic situation in which a 
thunderbird link is now opening ...
konqueror  by simply changing the MozillaFirebird script to run the 
single line - konqueror $1
hey - if it works  I'll use it :)

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thunderbird links

[Lior Kesos]

The whole thunderbird issue created a very ironic situation in which a 
thunderbird link is now opening ...
konqueror  by simply changing the MozillaFirebird script to run the 
single line - konqueror $1
hey - if it works  I'll use it :)

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Re: RedHat equivalent of make-kpkg?

[Oded Arbel]

ביום רביעי 03 דצמבר 2003, 12:23, נכתב על ידי [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> Oded Arbel wrote:
> > And that being different from your situation where you need a kernel
> > source tree of the version you want, in what way ?
>
> In the way that it would make me dependent on finding a .srpm
> file for the kernel I want to compile.

Not so. nothing stopping you from pointing the RPM to another source tarball 
then the one it originally contained.

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Re: RedHat equivalent of make-kpkg?

[Oleg Goldshmidt]

Oded Arbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> And that being different from your situation where you need a kernel source 
> tree of the version you want, in what way ?

There might not be a kernel-source RPM for the particular kernel tree
he wants.

Fortunately, as I pointed out, an RPM can be built from any kernel
tree that does not remove or otherwise screw up the rpm target
supplied by the vanilla kernel.

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Re: RedHat equivalent of make-kpkg?

[linux-il]

Oded Arbel wrote:
And that being different from your situation where you need a kernel source 
tree of the version you want, in what way ?
In the way that it would make me dependent on finding a .srpm
file for the kernel I want to compile.
But anyway - the point is apparently mute since, as Olge has
pointed out, the vanilla source tree already contains the Make
target to create RPM's.
Cheers,

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Re: Open Source ERP system

[meorero]

SAP Maybe ? SAP + SuSe... Maybe ?
A quick google: 
"SAP mySAP ERP Home": http://www.sap.com/linux/ 



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Re: RedHat equivalent of make-kpkg?

[Oded Arbel]

ביום רביעי 03 דצמבר 2003, 10:51, נכתב על ידי [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> That wouldn't cut it because then I depend on having a kernel
> source RPM for the particular version I want.
>
> Oded Arbel wrote:
> > On Wednesday 03 December 2003 08:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>Is there any red-hat equivalent for Debian's make-kpkg?
> >>
> >>For those who don't know what it is - make-kpkg allows one to take a
> >>vanilla kernel source and build .deb files for the kernel image,
> >>modules etc.
> >
> > There is really no need for a specialized method of building kernel
> > packages. the RPM building procedure is sufficient for that purpose. get
> > a kernel source RPM, modify the configuration and rebuild it.

And that being different from your situation where you need a kernel source 
tree of the version you want, in what way ?

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Re: RedHat equivalent of make-kpkg?

[linux-il]

That wouldn't cut it because then I depend on having a kernel
source RPM for the particular version I want.
Oded Arbel wrote:
On Wednesday 03 December 2003 08:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Is there any red-hat equivalent for Debian's make-kpkg?

For those who don't know what it is - make-kpkg allows one to take a
vanilla kernel source and build .deb files for the kernel image,
modules etc.


There is really no need for a specialized method of building kernel packages. 
the RPM building procedure is sufficient for that purpose. get a kernel 
source RPM, modify the configuration and rebuild it.



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Re: RedHat equivalent of make-kpkg?

[linux-il]

Oops.  Wasn't aware of that. I see it now.
Will try it.
Thanks.
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
Maybe I don't parse the question right: Looking at the Makefile of a
vanilla 2.4.20 kernel I have lying around I see a target to build an
rpm. Have you tried it?


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Re: Open Source ERP system

[Ben-Nes Michael]

> This license is only necessary if you sell the program for money. If you 
> give it for free, no such license is required.
> 
> Talk to your accountant, they are likely to have the book with the 
> relevant rules (I used to have it photocopied, but i don't think I still 
> have it).
> 
>  Shachar
> 

very interesting, this information put compiere in new light.

Does any one know if there a real company that uses compiere in Israel ?

Please let me know if any of you find this true.

We might find our self translating it and spread it around in the end :)


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Re: RedHat equivalent of make-kpkg?

[Oleg Goldshmidt]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Is there any red-hat equivalent for Debian's make-kpkg?
> 
> For those who don't know what it is - make-kpkg allows one to take a
> vanilla kernel source and build .deb files for the kernel image,
> modules etc.
> 
> It just looks a bit wierd to me that such an important part of the
> system like the kernel image should just be cp(1)'ed over to /vmlinux
> and linked manually, without making the RPM database aware of the
> change and helping me keep track of the installed kernels on the system.

Maybe I don't parse the question right: Looking at the Makefile of a
vanilla 2.4.20 kernel I have lying around I see a target to build an
rpm. Have you tried it?

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Re: RedHat equivalent of make-kpkg?

[Oded Arbel]

On Wednesday 03 December 2003 08:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Is there any red-hat equivalent for Debian's make-kpkg?
>
> For those who don't know what it is - make-kpkg allows one to take a
> vanilla kernel source and build .deb files for the kernel image,
> modules etc.

There is really no need for a specialized method of building kernel packages. 
the RPM building procedure is sufficient for that purpose. get a kernel 
source RPM, modify the configuration and rebuild it.

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