Re: Israeli ISP and Blacklisting
Hi! This RBL, even if is a bit extremist, is something used by a few of our customers's commercial spam filtering product. I'd say they should stop using it. If somebody has a dog that bites everybody who wears black or green, the solution is not everybody wearing orange and blue, the solution is to train the dog to behave properly or stop visiting them at all. If somebody uses RBL that has a cowboy attitude of block first, think maybe later then they need as much education by their users as ISPs do - up to stopping using their services and saying they are just harmful. During the years I've encountered my share of overzealous and irresponsible RBL maintainers, and sometimes the best way to deal with them is just not using them and saying others to not use them, period. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Israeli ISP and Blacklisting
2008/7/30 Stanislav Malyshev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'd say they should stop using it. If somebody has a dog that bites everybody who wears black or green, the solution is not everybody wearing orange and blue, the solution is to train the dog to behave properly or stop visiting them at all. If somebody uses RBL that has a cowboy attitude of block first, think maybe later then they need as much education by their users as ISPs do - up to stopping using their services and saying they are just harmful. During the years I've encountered my share of overzealous and irresponsible RBL maintainers, and sometimes the best way to deal with them is just not using them and saying others to not use them, period. This dog is not biting those who wear black or green. This dog is biting ISP's who let their users send spam. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Israeli ISP and Blacklisting
On Wednesday, 30 בJuly 2008 20:53, Dotan Cohen wrote: This dog is not biting those who wear black or green. This dog is biting ISP's who let their users send spam. No, this is a irresponsible RBL maintainer. In the end they'll get sued and close shop, just like other such RBLs have. --Ariel -- Ariel Biener e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP: http://www.tau.ac.il/~ariel/pgp.html To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Israeli ISP and Blacklisting
Hi! This dog is not biting those who wear black or green. This dog is biting ISP's who let their users send spam. I hate spam as much as the next guy - probably more, since I have to keep publicly available mailing addresses for my job. But at the end it comes to the point where people who have nothing to do with spam or all those arguments around how to handle spam - they get harmed. They get their mails lost and their business disrupted. And when this happens and RBL people take position of we'll just block whatever we want and until everybody complies with our demands we'll not move then it is time to remind them they are not kings of the world either. If they do more harm then good, then it's time to show them the door. Blocking whole countries is no solution for spam and whoever does this is just behaving childishly and irresponsibly. I do not believe anybody seriously thinks the users will be better off getting no email from any Israeli address at all. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ride to August Penguin from Northern Tel Aviv
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Re: Israeli ISP and Blacklisting
2008/7/30 Stanislav Malyshev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I hate spam as much as the next guy - probably more, since I have to keep publicly available mailing addresses for my job. But at the end it comes to the point where people who have nothing to do with spam or all those arguments around how to handle spam - they get harmed. They get their mails lost and their business disrupted. And when this happens and RBL people take position of we'll just block whatever we want and until everybody complies with our demands we'll not move then it is time to remind them they are not kings of the world either. If they do more harm then good, then it's time to show them the door. Blocking whole countries is no solution for spam and whoever does this is just behaving childishly and irresponsibly. I do not believe anybody seriously thinks the users will be better off getting no email from any Israeli address at all. I know that the Chinese are often blocked, as are a few select smaller nations with smart but underpaid techies, such as Romania and Pakistan. While I don't condone the practice, I understand the reasoning behind it. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
