HTC Android handsets spew private data to ANY app

2011-10-04 Thread sara fink
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/03/htc_android_security/
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Re: looking for an embedded linux hw.

2011-10-04 Thread Erez D
btw, I found open-rd.org. as far as i see it is a sheeva-plug, and there are
both software, hardware schematics etc...
i think the seeva-plug derivatives (e.g seagate dockstar) are a subset of
that design
I saw websites with instructions on how to add anothe GBE or how to add an
SD to the Dockstar, taking open-rd.org's schematics ...

should be nice of any sheevaplug hacker.

erez.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Erez D erez0...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello

 We need to design a system, which communicates data at rates of around
 30Mbs via ethernet.
 We are designing the hardware from scratch.

 I Thought of assembling a board with a processor (which will run linux) and
 a small fpga.

 However, I do not want to invent the wheel. don't want to port linux to a
 new system. don't want to create my own reference design.

 So i am looking for a reference design for the hardware. and an open source
 project which will supply the linux system and toolchain.

 Anybody knows of such a project which both has a hardware reference and
 toolchain ?


 Thanks,
 erez,

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Re: HTC Android handsets spew private data to ANY app

2011-10-04 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
2011/10/4 sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com:
 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/03/htc_android_security/

Hold your breath:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/04/htc_security_fix/

;-)

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Re: looking for an embedded linux hw.

2011-10-04 Thread Shachar Shemesh
On 09/15/2011 02:37 PM, Erez D wrote:
 Hello

 We need to design a system, which communicates data at rates of around
 30Mbs via ethernet.
 We are designing the hardware from scratch.

 I Thought of assembling a board with a processor (which will run
 linux) and a small fpga.

 However, I do not want to invent the wheel. don't want to port linux
 to a new system. don't want to create my own reference design.

 So i am looking for a reference design for the hardware. and an open
 source project which will supply the linux system and toolchain.

 Anybody knows of such a project which both has a hardware reference
 and toolchain ?
Freescale's iMX53 have a quickstart board sold for about $200 ($150 if
you want it without the LCD). It has fully open source Linux, and the
schematics are available for download from the FreeScale site (including
the source files, in a format whose name I forget).

Full toolchain and BSP are available, though, of course, if you replace
components, you will need to change the kernel's init code accordingly.
This is the bane of all ARM architectures, however, and nothing specific
to the iMX brand. It is considerably more powerful than the Sheeva plug,
assuming that's of interest to you.

Shachar


 Thanks,
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Re: HTC Android handsets spew private data to ANY app

2011-10-04 Thread sara fink
Nice.

But see this comment:

the question is not how long for a fix (although tht's important),
it's... #http://forums.theregister.co.uk/post/1190903

Why -and when - did HTC decide to log user activity? Surely that's a
breach of privacy? On the other hand, if this is a package that provides
user feedback, with the users express permission, why was it unsecured?


and 2nd in the original post, htc didn't respond until it was made public.

Points to consider.


On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Oleg Goldshmidt p...@goldshmidt.org wrote:

 2011/10/4 sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com:
  http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/03/htc_android_security/

 Hold your breath:

 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/04/htc_security_fix/

 ;-)

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[OT] Re: HTC Android handsets spew private data to ANY app

2011-10-04 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
NB: marked [OT] in subject, I believe in conformance with an earlier
discussion on Android topics on Linux-IL (that I am too lazy to dig up
a link to in the archives).

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 6:29 PM, sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com wrote:

 Why -and when - did HTC decide to log user activity? Surely that's a
 breach of privacy?

Not in itself. It's logged locally, on your device And it is not
particularly unusual. The problem is that the context is different
from what we (Linux users) are used to.

Any system records user activity. UNIX/Linux has logs, last(1), shell
history, process audit, etc., etc. Your browser has a history. One can
go on and on.

We all hope that a random user level application does not collect
information from those logs and send it to the internet. In some cases
it is forbidden by security measures (e.g., /var/log/messages cannot
be read by applications without privileges). In some cases, the only
recourse is audit (by whatever means necessary) or trust.

Assume you install a binary application written by John Q. Malicious
(or Skype/Microsoft, just to stir things up a bit :) - as a regular
user. And you run it as you. Nothing (nothing a casual user is capable
of, that is) will prevent this application from reading your shell
command history, browser cookies and history, your ~/.ssh/id_rsa, etc.
All of those are readable by you, and by running the application you
gave it your credentials. If it sends packets to the internet without
you noticing it, it's your problem. if your computer is
employer-provided and you are clueless then you installing random
software on it is the sysadmin's headache.

The problem with smartphones that some sensitive information is
available to regular users. When you install Android applications, you
are supposed to check what facilities it can access. E.g., a reminder
application has a reasonable need to access your contacts (you want to
look up a contact when making a reminder to call him) and phone state
(don't interrupt phone calls, light up the display if it is dark,
etc.). It probably does not need to access internet. Did it ask at
installation time? Did you say yes? Have you checked that it doesn't,
in fact, access the internet and send all your contacts to
telemarketing providers or to Hezballah?

If this is a package that provides location information to something
like Waze needs to access the network and your location info. If you
install and enable it it is assumed you understand the risks.

The problem with (some) HTCs was that it opened the logs to everyone
regardless of permissions (if I understood correctly). A related
problem is that so many apps are ad-funded (which is not common on
Linux) and thus request internet access - to get the ads - that they
wouldn't need otherwise. And people used to installing stuff by
clicking next repeatedly don't stop and think.

Oh, and something named androidvncserver.apk and installed by default
by HTC does look scary...

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New (First!) smart phone (OT_

2011-10-04 Thread Stan Goodman
As per Subject, this is my first smart phone, and I am engaged in trying 
to discover if I myself as smart as it is; the outlook is bleak. More 
than it should be because the documentation seems to be written for a 
reader who already knows the score and needs only a bit of memory 
nudging to recall the drill. As OT as this is, I hope I can ask here for 
answers to a few questions.

The instrument is HTC Aria. The two questions that are bugging me at the 
moment are:

1) The on-screen keyboard for writing messages defeats me, because the 
keys are absurdly narrow, certainly more so than my fingers, and there 
is absolutely no chance that I would ever be able to peck out even a 
short coherent message with them. This suggests that there must be a way 
to type with a stylus, rather then directly with fingers. I have tried 
to use objects made of various materials, but so far nothing works. How 
do people type on these things?

2) I succeeded in telphoning to a friend this evening, to his land-line 
phone. For a while, the sound I got was quite good and distinct, but 
after a bit, it began to fade in and out, so that cconversation became 
intermittent and impossible. There is a cell-phone tower less than a 
kilometer away from my home. Is this the level of service that I have to 
look forward too? The fading suggests that the communication may be 
affected by passing vehiles; is this possiblle over such a short 
distance?
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Re: New (First!) smart phone (OT_

2011-10-04 Thread Etzion Bar-Noy
Welcome to the world of the cellular.
First - there are various keyboards available for the device. Their key size
might differ, layout might differ, and ease of use, for you in person, would
differ as well.
About stylus - you will need a device designed for capacitive screen.
Although I am not familiar with your device in particular, most devices
today are capacitive, meaning they react to the human electrical charge, our
something like that. You can purchase such a device for very cheap at deal
extreme, or for very expensive in Israel.

Service quality differ depending on many factors. Usually, passing cars are
not part of them. It could be that your friend's land line phone was a
wireless one, and it's all his fault. Could be that you are in the area of
overlapping cellular antennas, and your call switched between cells. Try to
wait before judging the system just a little while. Most people do not feel
that land lines are superior compared to cellular communication. This could
be because, from the perspective of the caller - it is not.

Good luck and enjoy your new device.

Ez
On Oct 4, 2011 11:28 PM, Stan Goodman stan.good...@hashkedim.com wrote:
 As per Subject, this is my first smart phone, and I am engaged in trying
 to discover if I myself as smart as it is; the outlook is bleak. More
 than it should be because the documentation seems to be written for a
 reader who already knows the score and needs only a bit of memory
 nudging to recall the drill. As OT as this is, I hope I can ask here for
 answers to a few questions.

 The instrument is HTC Aria. The two questions that are bugging me at the
 moment are:

 1) The on-screen keyboard for writing messages defeats me, because the
 keys are absurdly narrow, certainly more so than my fingers, and there
 is absolutely no chance that I would ever be able to peck out even a
 short coherent message with them. This suggests that there must be a way
 to type with a stylus, rather then directly with fingers. I have tried
 to use objects made of various materials, but so far nothing works. How
 do people type on these things?

 2) I succeeded in telphoning to a friend this evening, to his land-line
 phone. For a while, the sound I got was quite good and distinct, but
 after a bit, it began to fade in and out, so that cconversation became
 intermittent and impossible. There is a cell-phone tower less than a
 kilometer away from my home. Is this the level of service that I have to
 look forward too? The fading suggests that the communication may be
 affected by passing vehiles; is this possiblle over such a short
 distance?
 --
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 Qiryat Tiv'on
 Israel

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Re: New (First!) smart phone (OT_

2011-10-04 Thread Micha

  
  
The keyboard tried to guess what key you intended to press to
compensate for the small keys. Once you learn how to aim it gets
more tolerable. In most screens you can rotate the device to type
in landscape mode which gives you a bigger keyboard. There is also a
spell checker that tries to auto-correct spelling mistakes to
compensate as well, it can cause some embarrassing results though,
so be careful.
http://damnyouautocorrect.com/

As for fade out, can't be cars AFAIK. Either you moved around and a
wall blocked the reception, or you friend used a wireless phone and
moved around and a wall did the same for him, or he just got too far
from the cradle. Alternately, if he is using an IP based service
(012), it could be network problems, or if he is on hot, I used to
have that every winter.

On 05-Oct-11 1:09, Etzion Bar-Noy wrote:

  Welcome to the world of the cellular. 
First - there are various keyboards available for the device.
Their key size might differ, layout might differ, and ease of
use, for you in person, would differ as well. 
About stylus - you will need a device designed for capacitive
screen. Although I am not familiar with your device in
particular, most devices today are capacitive, meaning they
react to the human electrical charge, our something like that.
You can purchase such a device for very cheap at deal extreme,
or for very expensive in Israel. 
  Service quality differ depending on many factors. Usually,
passing cars are not part of them. It could be that your
friend's land line phone was a wireless one, and it's all his
"fault". Could be that you are in the area of overlapping
cellular antennas, and your call switched between cells. Try to
wait before judging the system just a little while. Most people
do not feel that land lines are superior compared to cellular
communication. This could be because, from the perspective of
the caller - it is not. 
  Good luck and enjoy your new device. 
  Ez
  On Oct 4, 2011 11:28 PM, "Stan Goodman"
stan.good...@hashkedim.com
wrote:
 As per Subject, this is my first smart phone, and I am
engaged in trying 
 to discover if I myself as smart as it is; the outlook is
bleak. More 
 than it should be because the documentation seems to be
written for a 
 reader who already knows the score and needs only a bit of
memory 
 nudging to recall the drill. As OT as this is, I hope I can
ask here for 
 answers to a few questions.
 
 The instrument is HTC Aria. The two questions that are
bugging me at the 
 moment are:
 
 1) The on-screen keyboard for writing messages defeats me,
because the 
 "keys" are absurdly narrow, certainly more so than my
fingers, and there 
 is absolutely no chance that I would ever be able to peck
out even a 
 short coherent message with them. This suggests that there
must be a way 
 to type with a stylus, rather then directly with fingers. I
have tried 
 to use objects made of various materials, but so far
nothing works. How 
 do people type on these things?
 
 2) I succeeded in telphoning to a friend this evening, to
his land-line 
 phone. For a while, the sound I got was quite good and
distinct, but 
 after a bit, it began to fade in and out, so that
cconversation became 
 intermittent and impossible. There is a cell-phone tower
less than a 
 kilometer away from my home. Is this the level of service
that I have to 
 look forward too? The fading suggests that the
communication may be 
 affected by passing vehiles; is this possiblle over such a
short 
 distance?
 -- 
 Stan Goodman
 Qiryat Tiv'on
 Israel
 
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