Re: Bezeq Ruter

[Moish]

  
  


  I wonder - do you have to get the modem from Bezeq?
Can't you buy anything compatible on the free market?
  
On 13 April 2015 at 16:18, E.S.
  Rosenberg 
  wrote:
  In
addition to the "fancy" (read crappy) wireless routers that
Bezeq
will always try to offer you to lease/buy/get/whatever the
latest fad
is, they also have simple modems.
Really these are bridge routers with one ethernet port and
one DSL
port, also running Linux, you can use them as router and
create a DMZ
between your wireless router and the bridge, though I don't
recommend
that because then you:
- can't just drop in a replacement when they break down
- are relying on the bridges' firmware for security on your
DMZ

They have currently 2 models as far as I can tell:
- (Rotal) RTA 1320+
- D-Link DSL-25xx (newer, haven't seen very often)

Bezeq does not like giving these devices out most likely
because it
prevents them from having a Bezeq_free network at your
address, the
last time I had to replace my modem they told me that they
actually
repair them and aren't making/buying new ones (which makes
sense for
the rta1320 which is old but supports up to 24M).
The fact that they are repairing does seem to be starting to
lead to
failures happing more often recently...
It also prevents them from trouble shooting your network
since the
most they will have access to is the bridge whereas they
generally
have remote access to the wireless-routers (you often don't
even get
full root/admin on the router).

To me using these devices only has advantages:
- cost less then the "fancy" modem/routers.
- allows me full control over my network infrastructure.
- no Bezeq network freeloading on my DSL connection
- no Bezeq access to my home network
- allows me to easily upgrade my wireless router if/when I
want some
newer technology/toy.

BTW: It is of course also possible to use a Bezeq wireless
router
together with your own wireless router either in a DMZ like
setup or
even as a bridge (though that takes some real effort), but
that seems
like a major overkill and a waste of money.

HTH,
Eliyahu - אליהו

2015-04-12 23:15 GMT+03:00 Geoff Shang :
> On Sun, 12 Apr 2015, E.S. Rosenberg wrote:
>
>> Personally I always insist on Bezeq giving me their
simple modem and
>> use a decent router of my choosing (obviously
vetted for OpenWRT
>> support and specs) for WiFi etc (the modem ends up
being a bridge
>> device about whose fw etc I don't care as much).
>
>
> Ha!  I didn't know you could do this.  Typical that I
find out 6 weeks
> before I leave the country. :)
>
> for the benefit of anyone else who didn't know, please
tel more.
>
> Geoff.
>

On 13/04/2015 09:29, Amos
  Shapira wrote:
  

  

Exphone says I can purchase anything compatible if I dont like the
one subsidized by them
and sold in Bug shops.
The price for vdsl router (didnt find modem only) is around 600 nis.
The rumor is that Bezeq stores reluctantly sell dlink modem (price
unknown).
Moish

  



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Re: Bezeq Ruter

[Amos Shapira]

I wonder - do you have to get the modem from Bezeq? Can't you buy anything
compatible on the free market?

On 13 April 2015 at 16:18, E.S. Rosenberg  wrote:

> In addition to the "fancy" (read crappy) wireless routers that Bezeq
> will always try to offer you to lease/buy/get/whatever the latest fad
> is, they also have simple modems.
> Really these are bridge routers with one ethernet port and one DSL
> port, also running Linux, you can use them as router and create a DMZ
> between your wireless router and the bridge, though I don't recommend
> that because then you:
> - can't just drop in a replacement when they break down
> - are relying on the bridges' firmware for security on your DMZ
>
> They have currently 2 models as far as I can tell:
> - (Rotal) RTA 1320+
> - D-Link DSL-25xx (newer, haven't seen very often)
>
> Bezeq does not like giving these devices out most likely because it
> prevents them from having a Bezeq_free network at your address, the
> last time I had to replace my modem they told me that they actually
> repair them and aren't making/buying new ones (which makes sense for
> the rta1320 which is old but supports up to 24M).
> The fact that they are repairing does seem to be starting to lead to
> failures happing more often recently...
> It also prevents them from trouble shooting your network since the
> most they will have access to is the bridge whereas they generally
> have remote access to the wireless-routers (you often don't even get
> full root/admin on the router).
>
> To me using these devices only has advantages:
> - cost less then the "fancy" modem/routers.
> - allows me full control over my network infrastructure.
> - no Bezeq network freeloading on my DSL connection
> - no Bezeq access to my home network
> - allows me to easily upgrade my wireless router if/when I want some
> newer technology/toy.
>
> BTW: It is of course also possible to use a Bezeq wireless router
> together with your own wireless router either in a DMZ like setup or
> even as a bridge (though that takes some real effort), but that seems
> like a major overkill and a waste of money.
>
> HTH,
> Eliyahu - אליהו
>
> 2015-04-12 23:15 GMT+03:00 Geoff Shang :
> > On Sun, 12 Apr 2015, E.S. Rosenberg wrote:
> >
> >> Personally I always insist on Bezeq giving me their simple modem and
> >> use a decent router of my choosing (obviously vetted for OpenWRT
> >> support and specs) for WiFi etc (the modem ends up being a bridge
> >> device about whose fw etc I don't care as much).
> >
> >
> > Ha!  I didn't know you could do this.  Typical that I find out 6 weeks
> > before I leave the country. :)
> >
> > for the benefit of anyone else who didn't know, please tel more.
> >
> > Geoff.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Bezeq Ruter

[E.S. Rosenberg]

In addition to the "fancy" (read crappy) wireless routers that Bezeq
will always try to offer you to lease/buy/get/whatever the latest fad
is, they also have simple modems.
Really these are bridge routers with one ethernet port and one DSL
port, also running Linux, you can use them as router and create a DMZ
between your wireless router and the bridge, though I don't recommend
that because then you:
- can't just drop in a replacement when they break down
- are relying on the bridges' firmware for security on your DMZ

They have currently 2 models as far as I can tell:
- (Rotal) RTA 1320+
- D-Link DSL-25xx (newer, haven't seen very often)

Bezeq does not like giving these devices out most likely because it
prevents them from having a Bezeq_free network at your address, the
last time I had to replace my modem they told me that they actually
repair them and aren't making/buying new ones (which makes sense for
the rta1320 which is old but supports up to 24M).
The fact that they are repairing does seem to be starting to lead to
failures happing more often recently...
It also prevents them from trouble shooting your network since the
most they will have access to is the bridge whereas they generally
have remote access to the wireless-routers (you often don't even get
full root/admin on the router).

To me using these devices only has advantages:
- cost less then the "fancy" modem/routers.
- allows me full control over my network infrastructure.
- no Bezeq network freeloading on my DSL connection
- no Bezeq access to my home network
- allows me to easily upgrade my wireless router if/when I want some
newer technology/toy.

BTW: It is of course also possible to use a Bezeq wireless router
together with your own wireless router either in a DMZ like setup or
even as a bridge (though that takes some real effort), but that seems
like a major overkill and a waste of money.

HTH,
Eliyahu - אליהו

2015-04-12 23:15 GMT+03:00 Geoff Shang :
> On Sun, 12 Apr 2015, E.S. Rosenberg wrote:
>
>> Personally I always insist on Bezeq giving me their simple modem and
>> use a decent router of my choosing (obviously vetted for OpenWRT
>> support and specs) for WiFi etc (the modem ends up being a bridge
>> device about whose fw etc I don't care as much).
>
>
> Ha!  I didn't know you could do this.  Typical that I find out 6 weeks
> before I leave the country. :)
>
> for the benefit of anyone else who didn't know, please tel more.
>
> Geoff.
>
>
>
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Re: Bezeq Ruter

[Geoff Shang]

On Sun, 12 Apr 2015, E.S. Rosenberg wrote:


Personally I always insist on Bezeq giving me their simple modem and
use a decent router of my choosing (obviously vetted for OpenWRT
support and specs) for WiFi etc (the modem ends up being a bridge
device about whose fw etc I don't care as much).


Ha!  I didn't know you could do this.  Typical that I find out 6 weeks 
before I leave the country. :)


for the benefit of anyone else who didn't know, please tel more.

Geoff.


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Re: Bezeq Ruter

[E.S. Rosenberg]

v2 may not be supported...

Personally I always insist on Bezeq giving me their simple modem and
use a decent router of my choosing (obviously vetted for OpenWRT
support and specs) for WiFi etc (the modem ends up being a bridge
device about whose fw etc I don't care as much).

2015-04-12 22:55 GMT+03:00 E.S. Rosenberg :
> Have you tried here:
> http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/netgear/dgn2200
>
> 2015-04-12 22:17 GMT+03:00 Amichai Rotman :
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I have a Netgear 2200v2_64 router I got from Bezeq about two years ago.
>>
>> I finished paying for it and I don't like the idea it uns Bezeq's firmware.
>>
>> I want to flash an open source firmware on it, but I can't figure out where
>> to get it. it seems this specific model is manufactured especially for
>> Bezeq, since it isn't on the list of models on Netgear's site.
>>
>> Can anyone point me to a guide to downloading and flashing an open source
>> firmware suitable for this model or, on the other hand, recommend an
>> inexpensive  replacement that runs open source firmware?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Amichai
>>
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Re: Bezeq Ruter

[E.S. Rosenberg]

Have you tried here:
http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/netgear/dgn2200

2015-04-12 22:17 GMT+03:00 Amichai Rotman :
> Hello all,
>
> I have a Netgear 2200v2_64 router I got from Bezeq about two years ago.
>
> I finished paying for it and I don't like the idea it uns Bezeq's firmware.
>
> I want to flash an open source firmware on it, but I can't figure out where
> to get it. it seems this specific model is manufactured especially for
> Bezeq, since it isn't on the list of models on Netgear's site.
>
> Can anyone point me to a guide to downloading and flashing an open source
> firmware suitable for this model or, on the other hand, recommend an
> inexpensive  replacement that runs open source firmware?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Amichai
>
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Bezeq Ruter

[Amichai Rotman]

Hello all,

I have a Netgear 2200v2_64 router I got from Bezeq about two years ago.

I finished paying for it and I don't like the idea it uns Bezeq's firmware.

I want to flash an open source firmware on it, but I can't figure out where
to get it. it seems this specific model is manufactured especially for
Bezeq, since it isn't on the list of models on Netgear's site.

Can anyone point me to a guide to downloading and flashing an open source
firmware suitable for this model or, on the other hand, recommend an
inexpensive  replacement that runs open source firmware?

Thanks,

Amichai
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