Re: CXOffice, MS Office Hebrew version and SuSE 9.0 - Summary
Eli Marmor wrote: Two questions: 1. What version of MS Office have you tried? Office 2000 Pro 2. I guess that the previous message was a summary of a thread in CX mailing list, that was cross-posted to linux-il; is there any link (to an archive) or some quatations that you can bring from the original discussion? Not really. I posted a ticket, and got into a 2 way discussion with Dimitry, their support person. No one else was involved. (The Hebrew issue is pretty local!) Jeremy, the cxoffice list moderator wrote me a few times, but the gist of his remarks was to contact some folks here who were working on the bidi thing. I felt (correctly) that the problem was a system issue, rather than a Hebrew thing. There were two known problems: The failure of Office 2000 Pro to complete installation under 2.1 and my thing. Since I actually paid for and USE this stuff, I couldn't be bothered doing more than find a working solution. (You must use the 2.1 upgrade; 2.0 does NOT work under SuSE 9.0 vanilla. Dunno why, and now that I have the 2.1 - I don't really care. I got better things to do than debug commercial software.) Let me know if I can be of any more help. DAF Thanks, = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CXOffice, MS Office Hebrew version and SuSE 9.0 - Summary
Shachar Shemesh wrote: Daniel Feiglin wrote: Things sort of work, even well enough for day to day use. Here's how: Can you use the same invocation of office to type both Hebrew and English, or does one of them go out backwards? My (Dimitri's) little script does it right. Also, as far as I could tell, CXOffice 2.1 is compiled without BiDi support. I have asked CodeWeavers to fix that for their next release. It probably doesn't matter that much, as Word does its own BiDi. Aha, that's why the above works. Shachar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Discuss] CXOffice, MS Office Hebrew version and SuSE 9.0 - Summary
Dmitry Timoshkov wrote: Hello Daniel, Daniel Feiglin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Things sort of work, even well enough for day to day use. Here's how: 1. Use the SuSE online update/patch utility to get the latest version of KDE 2. Install CXOffice Version 2.0 (Yeah, V 2.0!) 3. Install MS Office using LANG=heb_IL all the way. Intall the English Language pack, ensuring that dialog and help is set to English. 4. Backup the ~/cxoffice directory tree to some place else 5. Upgrade in place, CXOffice to 2.1 What exactly does not work if you install MS Office under 2.1? 1. The Hebrew dialogs are all backwards and they don't seem to respond properly (It's a while since I tried!) 2. The simulated reboot hangs forever. 3. And by the way, even with your little script, MS Word is slo-o-o-o-w. File selection takes forever, and sometimes I get fedup and use MS WORD on a Win98 client via Samba. Dimitry's fixes: 6. Modify XF86config as follows: Section InputDevice Driver Keyboard Identifier Keyboard[0] Option Protocol Standard Option XkbLayout us,il Option XkbModel pc104 # Out! # Option XkbOptions grp:lwin_toggle # New line Option XkbOptions grp:ctrl_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll Option XkbRules xfree86 Option XkbVariant xfree86 EndSection Reboot or restart X to get this effective. (It's enough to log out, log in a commandline session as root, and do init 3, then init 5). If you don't the ctrl-shift combination to switch language, choose something else. 7. Create script files for each MS Office app which look like this (This one works for MS Word): #/bin/sh setxkbmap us,il LANG=he_IL /home/danny/cxoffice/bin/wine --cx-app \ C://Program Files//Microsoft Office//Office//WINWORD.EXE # The last two lines are entered as ONE line, without the \ continuation # character. Since you have to explicitly set LANG and change keyboard layout there is something wrong with your setup. Really? That was your suggestion! (:-)) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Discuss] CXOffice, MS Office Hebrew version and SuSE 9.0 - Summary
Daniel Feiglin wrote: What exactly does not work if you install MS Office under 2.1? 1. The Hebrew dialogs are all backwards and they don't seem to respond properly (It's a while since I tried!) I sent Jeremy White an email about this some time back. You need to compile crossover office with ICU-dev on the machine for configure to pick up the bidi code. ICU is a soft dependancy, so it doesn't change the runtime requirement of crossover. 6. Modify XF86config as follows: Section InputDevice Driver Keyboard Identifier Keyboard[0] Option Protocol Standard Option XkbLayout us,il .. 7. Create script files for each MS Office app which look like this (This one works for MS Word): #/bin/sh setxkbmap us,il LANG=he_IL /home/danny/cxoffice/bin/wine --cx-app \ C://Program Files//Microsoft Office//Office//WINWORD.EXE # The last two lines are entered as ONE line, without the \ continuation # character. Since you have to explicitly set LANG and change keyboard layout there is something wrong with your setup. Really? That was your suggestion! (:-)) The keyboard thing should not be needed. Daniel seems to have the right keyboard setup in his XF86Config file. As for the LANG - this may be better suited on wine-devel than here, but as it's already being cross-posted to two lists, didn't want to add a third one. Let's just say that having only LC_CTYPE set to Hebrew is a pretty common setup in Israel. Daniel should, really, make sure that LC_CTYPE is set to Hebrew globally, though. I think the way Wine handles the LC_* vars is incorrect. I think there are better representations to almost all of them in native Windows terms. I'll post my ideas about that to wine-devel, however. -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Systems Consulting http://www.lingnu.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CXOffice, MS Office Hebrew version and SuSE 9.0 - Summary
Daniel Feiglin wrote: Not really. I posted a ticket, and got into a 2 way discussion with Dimitry, their support person. I've seen their offices. Codeweavers don't have support people. Dimitry Timoshkov is one of the Wine/CrossOver developers. He is the one who worked on keyboard support in Wine, and also on some of the i18n stuff. No one else was involved. (The Hebrew issue is pretty local!) Jeremy, the cxoffice list moderator wrote me a few times, Both Dimitry and Jeremy are non-unique names in the Wine project. Jeremy is even non-unique in Code Weavers. In this case wer'e talking about Jeremy Newman, who is their sysadmin (as opposed to Jeremy White, who is the CEO and founder). I got better things to do than debug commercial software.) I hope you do. While this is 100% commercial software, it is not 100% proprietary. In this particular case, the Office problem, last time I looked at it, boiled down to a keyboard language reporting problem. This problem is in a piece of code shared by CrossOver and Wine, and so the problem is not proprietary after all. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Systems Consulting http://www.lingnu.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CXOffice, MS Office Hebrew version and SuSE 9.0 - Summary
Things sort of work, even well enough for day to day use. Here's how: 1. Use the SuSE online update/patch utility to get the latest version of KDE 2. Install CXOffice Version 2.0 (Yeah, V 2.0!) 3. Install MS Office using LANG=heb_IL all the way. Intall the English Language pack, ensuring that dialog and help is set to English. 4. Backup the ~/cxoffice directory tree to some place else 5. Upgrade in place, CXOffice to 2.1 Dimitry's fixes: 6. Modify XF86config as follows: Section InputDevice Driver Keyboard Identifier Keyboard[0] Option Protocol Standard Option XkbLayout us,il Option XkbModel pc104 # Out! # Option XkbOptions grp:lwin_toggle # New line Option XkbOptions grp:ctrl_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll Option XkbRules xfree86 Option XkbVariant xfree86 EndSection Reboot or restart X to get this effective. (It's enough to log out, log in a commandline session as root, and do init 3, then init 5). If you don't the ctrl-shift combination to switch language, choose something else. 7. Create script files for each MS Office app which look like this (This one works for MS Word): #/bin/sh setxkbmap us,il LANG=he_IL /home/danny/cxoffice/bin/wine --cx-app \ C://Program Files//Microsoft Office//Office//WINWORD.EXE # The last two lines are entered as ONE line, without the \ continuation # character. I saved this as ~/bin/mswordh, chmod'ed to be executable by all. Also, ~/bin is in my PATH. Danny's Desktop Doodles: 8. Using the Menu Editor, replace (for example) the MS Word executable command with mswordh. 9. Same goes for any desktop icons or toolbar buttons. 10. Enjoy! = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CXOffice, MS Office Hebrew version and SuSE 9.0 - Summary
Two questions: 1. What version of MS Office have you tried? 2. I guess that the previous message was a summary of a thread in CX mailing list, that was cross-posted to linux-il; is there any link (to an archive) or some quatations that you can bring from the original discussion? Thanks, -- Eli Marmor [EMAIL PROTECTED] CTO, Founder Netmask (El-Mar) Internet Technologies Ltd. __ Tel.: +972-9-766-1020 8 Yad-Harutzim St. Fax.: +972-9-766-1314 P.O.B. 7004 Mobile: +972-50-23-7338 Kfar-Saba 44641, Israel = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
