Re: Disappointed by IBA, again
On Sat, Dec 08, 2012, Steve G. wrote about Re: Disappointed by IBA, again: 1. We might not care about their bad TV, but THEY DO. Notice that I wanted to listen to radio. So it is still a valid complaint, and one that the IBA, as a customer facing institution, funded by tax money paid by everyone, should want to address. Watch out for what you wish for - right now (or at least, last time I checked...) the IBA taxes every *car* yearly because they assume that people listen to radio in the car. Let's not give them bright ideas to tax every computer because people actually listen to radio on the computer :-) -- Nadav Har'El| Monday, Dec 10 2012, 26 Kislev 5773 n...@math.technion.ac.il |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |Boat: A hole in the water surrounded by http://nadav.harel.org.il |wood into which one pours money. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Disappointed by IBA, again
I know you are joking, but... My guess is that most of their computer listeners are Israelis living or working abroad. Besides, they should have a count of every download or stream on their logs. I can't say for sure they scan the logs for details, but they must at least have an idea of their total outgoing bandwidth cost. Z. On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 3:04 AM, Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.ilwrote: On Sat, Dec 08, 2012, Steve G. wrote about Re: Disappointed by IBA, again: 1. We might not care about their bad TV, but THEY DO. Notice that I wanted to listen to radio. So it is still a valid complaint, and one that the IBA, as a customer facing institution, funded by tax money paid by everyone, should want to address. Watch out for what you wish for - right now (or at least, last time I checked...) the IBA taxes every *car* yearly because they assume that people listen to radio in the car. Let's not give them bright ideas to tax every computer because people actually listen to radio on the computer :-) -- Nadav Har'El| Monday, Dec 10 2012, 26 Kislev 5773 n...@math.technion.ac.il |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |Boat: A hole in the water surrounded by http://nadav.harel.org.il |wood into which one pours money. -- Sincerely, Steve http://www.words2u.net - GPS points and tracks (mainly in Costa Rica) http://www.words2u.net/recipes - Recipe collection ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Disappointed by IBA, again
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.il wrote: On Sat, Dec 08, 2012, Steve G. wrote about Re: Disappointed by IBA, again: 1. We might not care about their bad TV, but THEY DO. Notice that I wanted to listen to radio. So it is still a valid complaint, and one that the IBA, as a customer facing institution, funded by tax money paid by everyone, should want to address. Watch out for what you wish for - right now (or at least, last time I checked...) the IBA taxes every *car* yearly because they assume that people listen to radio in the car. Let's not give them bright ideas to tax every computer because people actually listen to radio on the computer :-) Too late. You have to pay the annual TV levy even if you haven't got a TV receiver - any device that is capable of showing a moving picture, such as a DVD player + screen or a computer - qualifies. This is from personal experience, sadly. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | p...@goldshmidt.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Disappointed by IBA, again
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote about Re: Disappointed by IBA, again: Too late. You have to pay the annual TV levy even if you haven't got a TV receiver - any device that is capable of showing a moving picture, such as a DVD player + screen or a computer - qualifies. This is from personal experience, sadly. Right, but please note that there is an *additional* radio tax, 114 shekels a year according to Wikipedia, which at the moment only car owners pay (families with multiple cars pay multiple times). BTW, according to the always-reliable source Wikipedia, http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%90%D7%92%D7%A8%D7%AA_%D7%94%D7%A8%D7%93%D7%99%D7%95_%D7%95%D7%94%D7%98%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%95%D7%99%D7%96%D7%99%D7%94 it was decided in a court case that if you have a computer which has a TV-reception card it needs to pay agra, but a computer only connected to the Internet (and theoretically can watch TV that way) does NOT need to pay agra. But this can easily be changed by changing the law - which I'm sure they will once the Internet becomes common enough (as if it's not common enough already...). -- Nadav Har'El| Monday, Dec 10 2012, 26 Kislev 5773 n...@math.technion.ac.il |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |I started out with nothing... I still http://nadav.harel.org.il |have most of it. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Disappointed by IBA, again
Today I tried in vain to listen to Yoman Hashavua on www.iba.org.il Pissed off, I sent this email to their marketing director, whose address I found here: http://www.iba.org.il/contacts/ - Dear Zvia, I am a Linux user, and have absolutely no access to any of the shows that you put online. I have no problems with NPR, BBC, Guardian, PBS, and any of the dozens of major international web sites, WHICH ADHERE TO STANDARDS. Could you PLEASE make sure your site is operating with file types that can be displayed on MacOS, Linux, and older versions of Windows, so that your viewers abroad who are not Microsoft Windows users will be able to enjoy them as well? Thanks, - Why don't we ALL send email such as this to these collective of dunces, until we can get some satisfaction? It is not like the IBA is a global leader in their broadcast technology, they are just a bunch of lazy incompetents who can't manage to open their services to all sections of society because of thoughtlessness and lack of thoughtfulness. And look, they even have someone in charge of open data - except to Linux users, that is. They have to pay for a Windows license... ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Disappointed by IBA, again
On 2012-12-08 11:08, Steve G. wrote: Why don't we ALL send email such as this to these collective of dunces, until we can get some satisfaction? It is not like the IBA is a global leader in their broadcast technology, they are just a bunch of lazy incompetents who can't manage to open their services to all sections of society because of thoughtlessness and lack of thoughtfulness. Because they are dunces we don't care that much abut TV, in particular mostly bad TV. If at all start a fight, I would vote for the National Insurance Institute of Israel, looks to me higher in the "has to be accessible to all" list. Thats my 2c :-) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Disappointed by IBA, again
On Sat, 2012-12-08 at 13:52 +0200, vordoo wrote: On 2012-12-08 11:08, Steve G. wrote: Why don't we ALL send email such as this to these collective of dunces, until we can get some satisfaction? It is not like the IBA is a global leader in their broadcast technology, they are just a bunch of lazy incompetents who can't manage to open their services to all sections of society because of thoughtlessness and lack of thoughtfulness. Because they are dunces we don't care that much abut TV, in particular mostly bad TV. If at all start a fight, I would vote for the National Insurance Institute of Israel, looks to me higher in the has to be accessible to all list. Thats my 2c :-) I don't think they are mutually exclusive. Besides, if we win the IBA front, it'll be easier to persuade NII to follow IBA's footsteps by citing IBA as a precedent and letting them ask IBA who were the competent contractors who fixed their Website. --- Omer -- MS-Windows is the Pal-Kal of the PC world. My own blog is at http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Disappointed by IBA, again
1. We might not care about their bad TV, but THEY DO. Notice that I wanted to listen to radio. So it is still a valid complaint, and one that the IBA, as a customer facing institution, funded by tax money paid by everyone, should want to address. Let us also not allow the best to become the enemy of the good. The fact that there are other places to complain about should not stop us from addressing the current problem and issue. 2. Give me/us the address to complain to the NII and I will write them as well. Maybe one address for the tech support guys, and another for consumer complaints. 3. While I agree with you on the priority, the usage level, in my eyes, is vastly different. We use the NII , online, a few times a year at most, while, if we listen to Israeli radio or watch TV shows, you'd use the site several times a day at least. As you know, the multiple of the level of nuisance and its probability is what adds up to impact, so it may well be that IBA, a minor frequent nuisance, is more pressing than the rare, more serious one of the NII. Cheers, Z. On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 5:52 AM, vordoo vor...@yahoo.com wrote: On 2012-12-08 11:08, Steve G. wrote: Why don't we ALL send email such as this to these collective of dunces, until we can get some satisfaction? It is not like the IBA is a global leader in their broadcast technology, they are just a bunch of lazy incompetents who can't manage to open their services to all sections of society because of thoughtlessness and lack of thoughtfulness. Because they are dunces we don't care that much abut TV, in particular mostly bad TV. If at all start a fight, I would vote for the National Insurance Institute of Israel, looks to me higher in the has to be accessible to all list. Thats my 2c :-) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Sincerely, Steve http://www.words2u.net - GPS points and tracks (mainly in Costa Rica) http://www.words2u.net/recipes - Recipe collection ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Disappointed by IBA, again
On 2012-12-08 15:50, Steve G. wrote: 1. We might not care about their bad TV, but THEY DO. Notice that I wanted to listen to radio. So it is still a valid complaint, and one that the IBA, as a customer facing institution, funded by tax money paid by everyone, should want to address. Let us also not allow the best to become the enemy of the good. The fact that there are other places to complain about should not stop us from addressing the current problem and issue. 2. Give me/us the address to complain to the NII and I will write them as well. Maybe one address for the tech support guys, and another for consumer complaints. 3. While I agree with you on the priority, the usage level, in my eyes, is vastly different. We use the NII , online, a few times a year at most, while, if we listen to Israeli radio or watch TV shows, you'd use the site several times a day at least. As you know, the multiple of the level of nuisance and its probability is what adds up to impact, so it may well be that IBA, a minor frequent nuisance, is more pressing than the rare, more serious one of the NII. This is not a one site vs. another doing a favor for a small user groups. It's about a general law, rule, norm that should have been developed in the social/political realm. If it would have been, the country, private business, general public, would have ADHERE TO STANDARDS (as you wrote), and restrain from using solutions that require people to use proprietary, paid for or not devices/software. needless to say that in a few rare cases with really good reason there may be exceptions to this -probably what the dunces in NII IBA see in there case, if they can see at all. I think it is all water under the bridge now. More and more users including the management of the sites themselves are using Droids, chromes etc. and are getting bit daily by there incompetent solutions. I would think they are on top of the problem, of fixing the sites, as budget permits. On the other hand they're way behind at understanding, let alone admitting, there wrong doing that got them us to this state in the first place. We could scream harder or differently in the next run, but I doubt it -regretfully we are not pros in the political realm:-) Have a Good Week! ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
