Re: Fwd: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

[Stan Goodman]

On 07/17/2011 08:43 PM, Mordecha Behar wrote:



-- Forwarded message --
From: *Mordecha Behar* >

Date: Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details
To: Tzafrir Cohen mailto:tzaf...@cohens.org.il>>




On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Tzafrir Cohen > wrote:


Written off-list,

On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 08:26:39PM +0300, Mordecha Behar wrote:
> 2011/7/17 Dima (Dan) Yasny mailto:dya...@gmail.com>>
>
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Orr Dunkelman
mailto:orr.dunkel...@gmail.com>>wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Michael Shiloh
> >> mailto:michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com>> >> To be more general, it is
unheard of
> >> for a prospective guest to set
> >> >> political conditions for his hosts. Aside of any other
aspects, the man
> >> >> is a boor, and should have been ignored.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I'm not sure that's true. Haven't musicians and other
performers used
> >> their
> >> > platform as a way to express agreement or disagreement with
particular
> >> > political positions for ages?
> >> >
> >> > Michael
> >>
> >> It is very rare in computer science to mix politics and work.
> >> Actually, this is true for most exact sciences.
> >>
> >> As for RMS, who is an advocate of freedom of rights, he has just
> >> agreed to accept money (travel costs) in exchange for giving
away his
> >> freedom of speech.
> >> Tz'e Wolmad...
> >>
> >>
> > /me don't see what the argument is about. I'll simply vote
against RMS's
> > and his politically inclined friends bs with my feet by _not_
going. End of
> > story
> >
> >
> Yes, there is that.
> But thanks to the law passed last week we can also take
affirmative action.
> I don't think that suing RMS or the FSF will be a good idea, or even
> feasible (IANAL and I'm pretty sure that this law doesn't hold for
> people/groups from abroad) but we might be able to sue the group
financing
> his trip.
> Again, I'm not sure that that's even a good idea. But it is
possible.

While I find RMS's actions silly and damaging, I will take no part in
such an action. I might even consider donating that group some
money to
cover their expences in case you actually go through with your
actions.

I'm for free speach here.

Now, count to 10, relax a bit, read things through, and don't
follow up
on a flame fest.



Nobody has challenged his right to free speech. Speech is not the issue. 
Personally, I would not be offended if he where to visit each of the 
major cities and get up on a soapbox at main intersections to express 
his views. What he is trying to do is to inflict his opinions of a 
conflict of which he can't know very much, on an entire organization, 
and to extract the agreement of that public to the rectitude of his 
views -- although they may well have views that are quite different. 
That is what makes him a boor, ya'ani, Am haAretz, and offensive.





Hey, I'm not saying we *should* sue, I'm just saying it's an option. 
And not a good one.
We will alienate ourselves in the worldwide community of open 
software, and probably burn several bridges which will be very hard to 
rebuild.
I too resent the whole idea of mixing computer science and politics. 
It makes the whole thing stink like unwashed feet.
I'm just a little disappointed that the whole saga unraveled like 
this. I had higher opinions of RMS before this.


Oh, and: GetTheFacts: http://stallmanfacts.com/ .

Cheers,

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Fwd: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

[Mordecha Behar]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Mordecha Behar 
Date: Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details
To: Tzafrir Cohen 




On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:

> Written off-list,
>
> On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 08:26:39PM +0300, Mordecha Behar wrote:
> > 2011/7/17 Dima (Dan) Yasny 
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Orr Dunkelman <
> orr.dunkel...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Michael Shiloh
> > >>  >> To be more general, it is unheard of
> > >> for a prospective guest to set
> > >> >> political conditions for his hosts. Aside of any other aspects, the
> man
> > >> >> is a boor, and should have been ignored.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > I'm not sure that's true. Haven't musicians and other performers
> used
> > >> their
> > >> > platform as a way to express agreement or disagreement with
> particular
> > >> > political positions for ages?
> > >> >
> > >> > Michael
> > >>
> > >> It is very rare in computer science to mix politics and work.
> > >> Actually, this is true for most exact sciences.
> > >>
> > >> As for RMS, who is an advocate of freedom of rights, he has just
> > >> agreed to accept money (travel costs) in exchange for giving away his
> > >> freedom of speech.
> > >> Tz'e Wolmad...
> > >>
> > >>
> > > /me don't see what the argument is about. I'll simply vote against
> RMS's
> > > and his politically inclined friends bs with my feet by _not_ going.
> End of
> > > story
> > >
> > >
> > Yes, there is that.
> > But thanks to the law passed last week we can also take affirmative
> action.
> > I don't think that suing RMS or the FSF will be a good idea, or even
> > feasible (IANAL and I'm pretty sure that this law doesn't hold for
> > people/groups from abroad) but we might be able to sue the group
> financing
> > his trip.
> > Again, I'm not sure that that's even a good idea. But it is possible.
>
> While I find RMS's actions silly and damaging, I will take no part in
> such an action. I might even consider donating that group some money to
> cover their expences in case you actually go through with your actions.
>
> I'm for free speach here.
>
> Now, count to 10, relax a bit, read things through, and don't follow up
> on a flame fest.
>
>
Hey, I'm not saying we *should* sue, I'm just saying it's an option. And not
a good one.
We will alienate ourselves in the worldwide community of open software, and
probably burn several bridges which will be very hard to rebuild.
I too resent the whole idea of mixing computer science and politics. It
makes the whole thing stink like unwashed feet.
I'm just a little disappointed that the whole saga unraveled like this. I
had higher opinions of RMS before this.


> Oh, and: GetTheFacts: http://stallmanfacts.com/ .
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is
> http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's
> tzaf...@cohens.org.il ||  best
> tzaf...@debian.org|| friend
>
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